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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 02:03:26 AM

Title: King William IV, Queen Adelaide, the family
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 02:03:26 AM
I was looking for a thread on H.M. Queen Adelaide who was the Queen Consort of William IV, but I have been unable to find one.
Can anyone tell me anything about her? I am curious why she does not get much attention. Does anybody have some pictures or stories of Adelaide?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Adelaide_of_Saxe-Meiningen.JPG)

I have one good picture:

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/adelheid_ausgeschnitten.gif)

I would also be really interested in seeing a picture of Queen Adelaide's Coronation Crown, I haven't been able to find one anywhere. Apparently she was the first Queen Consort since Mary of Modena, consort of James II, to have her own Coronation Crown made.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: ilyala on September 09, 2006, 05:15:35 AM
maybe she doesn't get much attention because her husband doesn't get much attention. william iv is mostly considered an interregnum between george iv and the glorious reign of queen victoria (just a tad of sarcasm in there  :D)... and while many people know about george iii, prince regent - george iv, few people are interested in william. this probably extends to his wife.

i cannot say i know much about her, however, i do know that she loved victoria and that she was very nice to her, that she tried hard to make a baby for her husband but had many miscarriages and one dead child. i know that william married her in the marriage race launched at princess charlotte's death, however i believe he also kept his long-term mistress who, as a contrast, gave him quite a bunch of kids.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 05:55:32 AM
I believe King William actually dumped his mistress and mother of his ten children Dorothea Bland (Jordan) when he married Queen Adelaide. I was surprised to learn that they apparently had a pretty good marriage and were devoted to one another. He was apparently faithful to Adelaide I've heard.

From what I have been able to find out, Adelaide and William had seven children. Only two of them survived long enough to be named. The first was Princess Charlotte of Clarence who lived for one day. The next was Princess Elizabeth of Clarence who lived for a few months. She displaced Victoria as heir to the throne during her short lifetime, and she was called Little Queen Bess by some of the people. I think that's cute. :)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: TampaBay on September 09, 2006, 06:15:04 AM
I believe King William actually dumped his mistress and mother of his ten children Dorothea Bland (Jordan) when he married Queen Adelaide. I was surprised to learn that they apparently had a pretty good marriage and were devoted to one another. He was apparently faithful to Adelaide I've heard.


They did because Adelaide accepted his children by bMs. Jordan and functioned as a step-mother to them.  A very good step mother from what I have read.  I believe I read somewhere she accepted Ms. Jordan as the mother of the Kings children just as someone today would accept an ex-wife.

TampaBay
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 06:48:09 AM
Yes I think Queen Adelaide was known to be a very nice and understanding person. I read that she let the King's 10 children with Mrs. Jordan (there never was a Mr. Jordan you know) come and be with the King at his deathbed.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Rebecca on September 09, 2006, 06:52:06 AM
I believe King William actually dumped his mistress and mother of his ten children Dorothea Bland (Jordan) when he married Queen Adelaide. I was surprised to learn that they apparently had a pretty good marriage and were devoted to one another. He was apparently faithful to Adelaide I've heard.

From what I have been able to find out, Adelaide and William had seven children. Only two of them survived long enough to be named. The first was Princess Charlotte of Clarence who lived for one day. The next was Princess Elizabeth of Clarence who lived for a few months. She displaced Victoria as heir to the throne during her short lifetime, and she was called Little Queen Bess by some of the people. I think that's cute. :)


Seven children?!  :o And I only knew of two of them - princesses Charlotte and Elizabeth. When were the other five born? Were they male or female? Sorry for asking so many questions, but I am very curious.  :)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 07:04:09 AM
Okay I'll tell you. My research has uncovered: (and there are unsubstantiated rumours of more)

A child born in 1818 (stillborn)

Princess Charlotte Augusta Louisa Hanover of Clarence, born and died on 21 March 1819

A child born in France on 5 September 1819 (stillborn late in the pregnancy)

Princess Elizabeth Georgiana Adelaide Hanover of Clarence, born 10 December 1820, died tragically on 4th March 1821

A child born in Middlesex on 23 April 1822

A set of Twins (born and died in 1824) and usually listed as Twin Boys

Poor Poor Adelaide, she suffered so much to have a child and give the royal family an heir coming down from William IV. But ultimately the throne was destined for her and William's neice Princess Victoria of Kent, who Adelaide loved as a mother.

At Queen Victoria's coronation she hugged Queen Adelaide and only shook her own mother's hand, I've heard.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 09, 2006, 07:11:34 AM
Adelaide was an admirable queen, it's a shame she isn't appreciated more. She was a wonderful stepmother to the Fitzclarences (William's illegitimate children) and I believe one of William's grandchildren was named for her. When William died, she even continued to provide for the Fitzclarences financially, though she was under no obligation to do so. After William's death, the new Queen, Victoria, was writing Adelaide a letter of condolence, which she address to 'the Queen'. Her mother, the Duchess of Kent, pointed out that Adelaide was now 'Queen Adelaide' while Victoria was 'the Queen'. Victoria retorted that she would not be the first one to address Adelaide differently. Adelaide asked permission to stay at Windsor until William's funeral. Victoria told her to stay there as long as she liked. During her widowhood, she funded the building of an Anglican church in Malta. The city of Adelaide, in Australia, is named for her.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Rebecca on September 09, 2006, 07:12:51 AM
Thank you very, very much for this most interesting information, Basilforever!  :)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 07:20:56 AM
Does anyone have any pictures of Queen Adelaide?

I've found very, very few. Just usually variations on the portrait I posted above.

What did she really look like?

She lived until 1849 and photogaphy was invented by then, so are there any photographs of Her Majesty?

Also I really want to see her crown and any other jewelry she had. :)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 09, 2006, 07:35:45 AM
This is her crown.

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/princelieven/Royal%20Jewels/QueenAdelaideCrown.jpg)

I've never seen any photos of her though.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 09, 2006, 07:41:28 AM
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/princelieven/Hanoverians/adelaide.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 09, 2006, 07:48:33 AM
Adelaide was godmother to Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge, Queen Mary's mother, and to Princess Vicky, Princess Royal, who's name was Victoria Adelaide Mary Louisa. Adelaide's sister Ida was godmother to Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaight. Ida's son Edward was godfather to Princess Louise, Duchess of Fife.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 08:07:28 AM
Fascinating, Prince Lieven. I didn't know some of that. Her sister Ida was younger than her and she also had a brother Bernard, I think his name was.

There should be a photo of her since she lived into the age of photogrphy, but maybe she refused to have her photo taken, thinking paintings are always more flattering. But there are not many paintings of her either.

Perhaps they made Adelaide's sister Ida's son the godfather of Louise, the future Princess Royal, because Adelaide herself who had no surviving descendents was godmother to the previous Princess Royal, Vicky.

By the way, is there a thread on this forum for Princess Louise, Duchess of Fife?

I've seen ones for Toria and Maud, but not for Louise.

And thank you for the photo of Queen Adelaide's crown, but it is such a pity that it has been stripped of all it's jewels and in that photo is just an empty shell.

I would like to see it as it was worn by Queen Adelaide.

There must be a coronation portrait of her somewhere? There usually is for every Queen.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 09, 2006, 08:24:06 AM
Here's a coronation medal with her face on it:

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/princelieven/Hanoverians/medalofadelaide.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 09, 2006, 08:27:25 AM


By the way, is there a thread on this forum for Princess Louise, Duchess of Fife?


I'm sure there was, at one point, but I don't know if it's still there now.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 08:35:23 AM
Thank you for the picture of the coronation medal, I hadn't seen that one before.  :)

Does anyone know where I can find some material on Louise the Princess Royal and Duchess of Fife on this forum?
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 09, 2006, 08:42:30 AM
I searched for the thread, but I couldn't find it, it must be gone. You could always start one of your own, I guess.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Christopher on September 09, 2006, 10:13:07 AM
I always felt sorry for Adelaide, she wanted so badly to be a mother but was never able to have a healthy child who lived for very long.

She had a younger sister, Ida, who married Prince Bernard of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, and a younger brother who became Bernard II, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen and married Princess Marie of Hesse-Kassel.  Their mother was Princess Eleonore of Hohenlohe-Langenburg.

I remember reading somewere that Prince Bernard of Saxe-Weimar originally came to their home to look at Adelaide for a bride but chose her younger sister Ida instead.  Adelaide was initially dissappointed and it looked like she might remain a spinster.  When William came around looking for a bride, her parents were against it, but Adelaide wanted to marry him, as she was already 26 years old and wanted a life of her own....

I think Adelaide was a very motherly type.  She was motherly to QV and she was a good stepmother to William's illegitimate brood and didn't care what people said about it.

At one point, I think towards the end of Adelaide's childbearing history, Ida came to England for a long visit.  She had with her her young daughter, Louise, who was handicapped in some way, I don't remember for sure, but she may have been crippled.  Ida was somewhat ashamed or embarassed of Louise's physical problems.  While in England, Ida gave birth to her second son, Eduard.  I think Adelaide was grief-stricken at her own losses of children and William convinced Ida to leave Louise and baby Eduard in England.  She did so and Adelaide raised these two children of her sister's.  Louise died as a teenager at Windsor.  Eduard spent his entire life in England, married Lady Augusta Gordon-Lennox, served in some military capacity to QV, and was, I believe, at Adelaide's side when she died. 

I think Adelaide fared much better than many others in her shoes, William, at the least, cared very much about her, may have even loved her....

Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 09, 2006, 10:17:50 AM
Adelaide was certainly a good influence on William - he stopped swearing so much, and became a bit more respectable. Because she was comparitively young when William became king, the press occasionally reported that she was pregnant again, when in fact she was not.

For the record, David Cameron, current leader of the conservative party, is descended from William IV through the Fitzclarences.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 09, 2006, 08:05:26 PM
Adelaide was certainly a good influence on William - he stopped swearing so much, and became a bit more respectable. Because she was comparitively young when William became king, the press occasionally reported that she was pregnant again, when in fact she was not.

For the record, David Cameron, current leader of the conservative party, is descended from William IV through the Fitzclarences.

Well Adelaide was pregnant many times, but as I said only two children were born who ever lived at all and were named, and they were Princess Charlotte and Princess Elizabeth of Clarence. If either had survived, there would have been no Queen Victoria, etc.

Edward VII knew that, and I read that he and Alix were looking at a monument or statue or something to one of Adelaide and William's daughters (probably Elizabeth cause she actually lived for a few months and it probably looked like she would survive at a time) and Bertie said to Alix, if this child had lived, you and I would not be here, my dear. But I was thinking- and it's true that Bertie would not have had his positon, but Alix could still have had hers. Because if Princess Elizabeth of Clarence had become Queen Elizabeth II, Alix could have married her eldest son, just as she married Victoria's eldest son.

Some high nobles, (earls, marquesses, dukes, etc.) are descended from King William IV and Dorothea Bland's illegitimate children (there were 10 of them).
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Taren on September 09, 2006, 09:14:01 PM
Queen Adelaide must a been a very special lady. For someone who so wanted a child that could be an heir, she was nothing but loving to her niece, who was that heir. A lesser person would have resented Victoria -especially considering how hateful her mother was. As has been stated, Vicky has in part named after her. Did she have any sort of relationship with her during the last years that Adelaide was alive?
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Christopher on September 09, 2006, 10:07:12 PM
Did she have any sort of relationship with her during the last years that Adelaide was alive?

Yes, I do believe that QV and QA remained fairly close throughout Adelaide's life.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 10, 2006, 01:39:34 AM
I think that Taren meant did Queen Adelaide and Vicky have much of a relationship in the last years of QA's life.

I don't know myself, I want to find out more about Queen Adelaide.

I'll post some pictures that I have managed to find. (not much)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/mw14572.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/mw42108.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/mw42103.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/nla.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/adelai01-1.gif)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/QueenAdelaide.gif)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/bhm1506o.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/oilpainting-lg.jpg)

Queen Adelaide greeting some ambassadors from Madagascar
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 10, 2006, 07:02:50 AM
Lovely pictures basilforever.

Adelaide once said to the Duchess of Kent 'I have no children, but there is your child, and she is mine also' or something like that. This was no meant in a possessive sense, of course, as the Duchess very well knew. She caused Adelaide and William considerable distress by not allowing them to see Victoria very often. When King William invited her and her daughter to court for Queen Adelaide's birthday in early August, suggesting she stay for his later in the month. The Duchess loftily declared she would arrive the day before the King's birthday. The King, not unnaturally, was furious at this slight on his wife, and it was on this occasion that he made his famous tirade against the Duchess, which made Adelaide considerably uncomfortable.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 10, 2006, 08:36:40 AM
I once read a transcript of that tirade that King William made to Victoria, Duchess of Kent. It was very strong worded, but also very well said. I was a bit shocked at it, no wonder Princess Victoria of Kent as she was then burst into tears.  :o

But it is sweet that William was so defensive of his wife Adelaide, and was personally hurt that she was rudely disrespected by the Duchess of Kent.

I remember when I read that, I thought to myself King William must have been quite intelligent, to speak so well and with such kind of controlled anger bubbling up.

I think Queen Adelaide said something to Queen Victoria's mother like, ''All my children are dead, but your child is alive and healthy and I love her too'', or something like that.

It's strange that Adelaide had so many children with her husband and they all died, and Victoria duchess of Kent only became pregant once with her husband Prince Edward Duke of Kent and it produced such a great and long living Queen with thousands of descendents. :)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: grandduchessella on September 10, 2006, 09:39:41 AM
Adelaide as a child

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/8ahkibmi1.jpg)

as Queen

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/20kadh1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/ahtit1.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/adelheid_ausgeschnitten1.gif)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: grandduchessella on September 10, 2006, 09:41:41 AM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen1.jpg)

This portrait below is in a building in Adelaide in Australia. It was from an Adelaide (the city) website so I don't know what building.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/adelaid11.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/adelaide1.jpg)

There's also a plaque of QA and a statue but the site didn't have a photo of the statue.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/adel_townhall_plaque1_6271.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 10, 2006, 10:43:52 AM
Thanks for the pictures GDE.  :)

Basilforever - I agree, the rant was quite articulate; I think this was in part Adelaide's influence!  ;)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: imperial angel on September 11, 2006, 01:04:09 PM
Adelaide is often seen as a rather pathetic figure, for better or worse. I learned some info from this thread about her that I didn't know before. She was a good, motherly person who never got her chance to have a living child, despite being pregnant many times. That was a tragedy of many women's lives in that era, but somehow, you just feel for her. She was never possesive about Victoria, just motherly. And it is impressive that she was on good terms with her husband's bastards, when some more prudish queens woudn't have had anything to do with them, and could have gotten away with it. That says something about her.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: TampaBay on September 12, 2006, 06:27:01 AM
Both King William and Queen Adelaide wanted to spend as much time as possible with Victoria but her mother kept her away from the Royal court because Adelaid received William's illegitimate children.  Or such was the excuse the Duchess of Kent used.

TampaBay
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Taren on September 12, 2006, 06:29:13 AM
William and Adelaide remind me of a royal Archie and Edith Bunker. I'm not saying he was racist or she was a dingbat, but rather he was an old curmudgeon and she was the only one that could handle him.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: TampaBay on September 12, 2006, 06:31:09 AM
William was not a bad King just very uninspiring.

TampaBay
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: ilyala on September 12, 2006, 06:43:41 AM
i understand he wasn't very smart and a bit, let's say, unrefined. but maybe to the core a good person.

in the end i admire george 3rd's boys. yes, they were all considered scandalous. but look at the duke of kent and at william 4th. they had mistresses, but they had the same mistress for the same time. that means they weren't like their older brother - simply depraved. they simply loved the wrong women.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 12, 2006, 07:34:58 AM
i understand he wasn't very smart and a bit, let's say, unrefined. but maybe to the core a good person.

in the end i admire george 3rd's boys. yes, they were all considered scandalous. but look at the duke of kent and at william 4th. they had mistresses, but they had the same mistress for the same time. that means they weren't like their older brother - simply depraved. they simply loved the wrong women.

And William IV and the Duke of Kent did the right thing and gave up their long term mistresses (or girlfriends I suppose you would call them because they weren't married), and married Princesses and tried to produce a legitimate heir when they had to, for the sake of the monarchy.
So they had a good level of responsibility. Not all of George the Thirds's boys were considered scandalous, there were a couple who made appropriate marriages from the beginning and attempted to have or did have legitimate children. Queen Mary's mothers father the Duke of Cambridge was one of them.

William IV was a bit coarse and unrefined, but he was a nice man really and was not uninspiring really. He used to spit and swear, but Adelaide improved him and curbed this behaviour completely I believe. He had a certain eloquence that can be seen if you read the text of his tirade against the Duchess of Kent which was very well put.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: imperial angel on September 12, 2006, 10:53:12 AM
The popular image of George III's sons isn't very good, sadly. And in some sense, they lived up to it. But I think were more human and relatable than they might appear at times. George IV may not be in this category, though. ;) I think Adelaide did some good for William, who wasn't a bad person, but perhaps more of a sailor than a king.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 12, 2006, 06:11:00 PM
The popular image of George III's sons isn't very good, sadly. And in some sense, they lived up to it. But I think were more human and relatable than they might appear at times. George IV may not be in this category, though. ;) I think Adelaide did some good for William, who wasn't a bad person, but perhaps more of a sailor than a king.

I have a great deal of sympathy for William IV because he was a King, yet he does not get much attention. He and Queen Adelaide were a very good match. King William, or Silly Billy, was a Sailor and a King - the Sailor King. :)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: imperial angel on September 13, 2006, 08:37:34 AM
Indeed. I rather had a bad image of George III's children until I read a book about his daughters, and realized that there was more to it than you usually read. Sure, some of his sons could be a scandal, but so has royalty been in more recent times.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 13, 2006, 08:40:17 AM
The popular image of George III's sons isn't very good, sadly. And in some sense, they lived up to it. But I think were more human and relatable than they might appear at times. George IV may not be in this category, though. ;) I think Adelaide did some good for William, who wasn't a bad person, but perhaps more of a sailor than a king.

I have a great deal of sympathy for William IV because he was a King, yet he does not get much attention. He and Queen Adelaide were a very good match. King William, or Silly Billy, was a Sailor and a King - the Sailor King. :)

In his tactless way, he was unable to conceal his glee when George IV died, and opened his first Privy Council meeting with the words 'who is Silly Billy now??'  ;D ;D
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Marlene on September 13, 2006, 11:46:57 AM
Dumped is a better word - and the women were mistresses (and long term ones at that),

The second issue of Royalty Digest Quarterly 2006 has a good article about Adelaide actually ... 
(she says rather modesly)

i understand he wasn't very smart and a bit, let's say, unrefined. but maybe to the core a good person.

in the end i admire george 3rd's boys. yes, they were all considered scandalous. but look at the duke of kent and at william 4th. they had mistresses, but they had the same mistress for the same time. that means they weren't like their older brother - simply depraved. they simply loved the wrong women.

And William IV and the Duke of Kent did the right thing and gave up their long term mistresses (or girlfriends I suppose you would call them because they weren't married), and married Princesses and tried to produce a legitimate heir when they had to, for the sake of the monarchy.
So they had a good level of responsibility. Not all of George the Thirds's boys were considered scandalous, there were a couple who made appropriate marriages from the beginning and attempted to have or did have legitimate children. Queen Mary's mothers father the Duke of Cambridge was one of them.

William IV was a bit coarse and unrefined, but he was a nice man really and was not uninspiring really. He used to spit and swear, but Adelaide improved him and curbed this behaviour completely I believe. He had a certain eloquence that can be seen if you read the text of his tirade against the Duchess of Kent which was very well put.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 13, 2006, 09:57:38 PM
The popular image of George III's sons isn't very good, sadly. And in some sense, they lived up to it. But I think were more human and relatable than they might appear at times. George IV may not be in this category, though. ;) I think Adelaide did some good for William, who wasn't a bad person, but perhaps more of a sailor than a king.

I have a great deal of sympathy for William IV because he was a King, yet he does not get much attention. He and Queen Adelaide were a very good match. King William, or Silly Billy, was a Sailor and a King - the Sailor King. :)

In his tactless way, he was unable to conceal his glee when George IV died, and opened his first Privy Council meeting with the words 'who is Silly Billy now??'  ;D ;D

I find the idea/image of William, upon becoming King, saying 'Who is Silly Billy Now?" to just be hilarious and I well understand his inability to control his glee at finally being King. And let's face it, why would he or anyone else miss George IV?
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 13, 2006, 10:01:34 PM
Dumped is a better word - and the women were mistresses (and long term ones at that),

The second issue of Royalty Digest Quarterly 2006 has a good article about Adelaide actually ... 
(she says rather modesly)

But why should Julie de St Laurent and Dorothea Bland Jordan be called mistresses, because when they were with Edward and William they (the Princes) were unmarried, had no wives. So I thought it was maybe better to call them their partners or girlfriends?

I would like to read this issue of Royalty Digest Quarterly 2006, esp. this article about Adelaide, but where can I find it in Australia?
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 14, 2006, 10:24:03 AM
The popular image of George III's sons isn't very good, sadly. And in some sense, they lived up to it. But I think were more human and relatable than they might appear at times. George IV may not be in this category, though. ;) I think Adelaide did some good for William, who wasn't a bad person, but perhaps more of a sailor than a king.

I have a great deal of sympathy for William IV because he was a King, yet he does not get much attention. He and Queen Adelaide were a very good match. King William, or Silly Billy, was a Sailor and a King - the Sailor King. :)

In his tactless way, he was unable to conceal his glee when George IV died, and opened his first Privy Council meeting with the words 'who is Silly Billy now??'  ;D ;D

I find the idea/image of William, upon becoming King, saying 'Who is Silly Billy Now?" to just be hilarious and I well understand his inability to control his glee at finally being King. And let's face it, why would he or anyone else miss George IV?

I know this is o/t but George was a good brother to his sisters, who missed him dearly.  ;)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 16, 2006, 07:53:24 PM
Really I did not know that George IV was loved and missed by his sisters (those who he survived)?!

Here is a picture of the Statue of Queen Adelaide that was mentioned earlier in the thread.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/karibu/Australia/a51b3ec3.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 17, 2006, 07:20:31 AM
George's sisters Augusta, Elizabeth, Mary and Sophia were all alive when he died. But I'm off topic.  ;)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Taren on September 17, 2006, 03:35:40 PM
The popular image of George III's sons isn't very good, sadly. And in some sense, they lived up to it. But I think were more human and relatable than they might appear at times. George IV may not be in this category, though. ;) I think Adelaide did some good for William, who wasn't a bad person, but perhaps more of a sailor than a king.

I have a great deal of sympathy for William IV because he was a King, yet he does not get much attention. He and Queen Adelaide were a very good match. King William, or Silly Billy, was a Sailor and a King - the Sailor King. :)

In his tactless way, he was unable to conceal his glee when George IV died, and opened his first Privy Council meeting with the words 'who is Silly Billy now??'  ;D ;D

Didn't he also talk loudly throughout George IV's funeral and then leave early? I seem to recall reading that somewhere...
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 17, 2006, 04:54:59 PM
Yes, I think so. He also said to his brother the Duke of Sussex, 'Now, brother Augustus, we shall be treated differently' or something to that affect.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 18, 2006, 11:35:18 PM
And I remember reading that King William also said - 'I must rush off to bed, I have never slept with a Queen before!'' when he was informed that his brother George IV was dead and he was now King.

I wonder how Adelaide felt about that? Maybe she was just as happy- and thought- ''I can't believe I'm sleeping with a King!" ;D

I can't help but like Silly Billy. ;)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: ilyala on September 19, 2006, 01:27:30 AM
he was probably not the best of kings but he was quite a nice fellow  :D
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: alixaannencova on September 19, 2006, 07:50:40 AM
Basilforever have you read Queen Adelaide by Mary Hopkirk. I thought it full of ineresting facts about Adelaide, who introduced the Christmas tree into England, not Prince Albert as everyone tends to believe nowadays.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 08:10:12 AM
Unfortunatly no I have not read it. I searched for any book about Queen Adelaide in the databases of my university library and in the databases of the Brisbane City Council Libraries. They had nothing. >:( >:(
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: alixaannencova on September 19, 2006, 08:26:39 AM
I shall have a look through my copy and try and find some more data for you. I remember in her will she wrote that she wished to be buried by daylight, which went against royal custom at that time.

I also remember learning that she was very protective of William IV and his royal perogative and was branded a reactionary in some Liberal quarters and was regarded by many pro reformers as a negative influence of the King.

She was in fact a very charitable and caring woman who was imensely generous.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 08:43:10 AM
Thank you Alixa..

I have read in the few meagre sources available to me that Adelaide was viewed by some members of the public as too conservative and against reform. There were some protests in the street about how the Queen was influencing the King too much!! Hard to believe anyone could protest about such a sweet lady.

I know she was very generous, charitable and caring. She built a Protestant Church in Malta I believe, I saw some photos of it on the internet somewhere.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on September 19, 2006, 10:25:08 AM
I believe there was at one time a nadty rumour that she was having an affair with some peer (Lord Grey?). William, of course, gave no credence to it and it was never taken seriously.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 19, 2006, 08:33:02 PM
What a totally absurd rumour. It is easy to see that Queen Adelaide would be the last woman to have an affair!

(http://www.touradelaide.com/sundry/images/queen_adelaide_400.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 20, 2006, 09:53:41 PM
Some more pictures of H.M. Queen Adelaide:

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU061713.jpg?size=67&uid={51778492-e61e-4370-bd18-f457dc8cdc98})

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/SF20047.jpg?size=67&uid={a0255dd0-44ad-4263-976e-effd8975c88f})

Illustration of Queen Adelaide
Queen Adelaide, (1792-1849), consort of King William IV of Great Britain, and the oldest daughter of George, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Meiningen.

She wore her tiaras in an interesting way.

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU061714.jpg?size=67&uid={3005e88e-f974-4add-84bd-7319e5158b75})

Portrait of Adelaide, The Queen Consort
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: gogm on September 22, 2006, 12:51:08 AM
Most of the pictures I've seen of Adelaide are variations of the one on the first page of this thread. Its nice to see her in another dress. :)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: gogm on September 22, 2006, 11:04:31 PM
Here are two screen shots from a wonderful portrait of Queen Adelaide from the Queen's art collection Web site. The picture was painted in 1836, a year before her husband's death brought teen-aged Alexandrina Victoria to the throne.

(http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/57/757/6/90/19/2655690190094285158TjYqhF_th.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2655690190094285158TjYqhF)

(http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/32/32/7/19/24/2206719240094285158SoxtUC_th.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2206719240094285158SoxtUC) ;)

The Queen's site has many spectacular portraits:
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/

Enjoy! :D
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 12:01:45 AM
Thanks so much for those links gogm. :)

I was looking for a good quality picture of that portrait. There is a copy of it in the Government House, in the city named in her honour Adelaide, South Australia, Australia.

I will post the big versions here.

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/more%20royals/2206719240094285158SoxtUC_ph.jpg)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/more%20royals/2655690190094285158TjYqhF_ph.jpg)

Her robes/dress are very beautiful. I like this portrait a lot.  :-*

Also, we can see that Adelaide looks very similiar in all the different portraits, so I think we can have a pretty accurate idea of what she looked like.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 12:23:58 AM
More Queen Adelaide items.  :D

I like this Queen very much.

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/405418.jpg)

Queen Adelaide (1792-1849)
1836

Sir Martin Archer Shee

Painted for William IV

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/object.asp?searchText=queen+adelaide&object=405418&row=3

You can magnify it.

Queen Adelaide's fan
c.1830

French leaf and sticks; English guards

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/25104.jpg)

(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/feliciavictorianumberthree/mostlyroyalty/more%20royals/406698-1.jpg)

Queen Victoria wearing Queen Adelaide's necklace

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/31702.jpg)

Queen Adelaide was the first Queen to wear the Diamond Diadem

Sketch of Queen Adelaide with Princess Victoria and members of her family
1831

Sir David Wilkie

Purchased by
Queen Elizabeth

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/453425b.jpg)

Honiton lace fan
1893

English

Presented to Princess Victoria Mary of Teck (later Queen Mary)

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/25398.jpg)

Lace has been made in the Honiton area since the late sixteenth century. In 1830 a Royal Warrant for supplying lace was granted by Queen Adelaide to Amy Lathy, a Honiton lace-maker.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 12:40:32 AM
Queen Adelaide's fan
c.1830

French leaf and sticks; English guards

Descended from Queen Adelaide to Queen Victoria



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


According to Queen Victoria, this fan belonged to her aunt, Queen Adelaide (1792-1849), whose crowned cipher AR appears on both guards. The style and finish of the gold work on these guards is close to that produced in England at the time, particularly by firms such as Rundell, Bridge & Rundell, who undertook numerous commissions for the royal family. However, the fan leaf, with appliqué decoration, is of a type that was already produced in Paris before the Revolution, with the more spectacular examples dating from the 1830s. Alphonse Giroux, of Alphonse Giroux et Cie, who was a painter as well as a purveyor or luxury goods (from furniture to photographs), may have supplied the richly decorated leaf of this fan before it was exported to England for mounting. The tiny painted ivory heads - a feature of Cantonese fans - were produced in China for export to Western (particularly French) fan-makers. However, the features painted onto the ivory here are Western, not Oriental.

Queen Adelaide, born Princess of Saxe-Meiningen, had married George III’s third son, William, Duke of Clarence, in 1818. On the death of George IV in June 1830, the Duke of Clarence succeeded to the throne as William IV. There were no surviving children of the marriage, and on the King’s death in June 1837 his niece, Victoria, succeeded. Both Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were fond of the Dowager Queen. On Queen Adelaide’s death in December 1849, many of her jewels and personal possessions - probably including this fan - passed to Queen Victoria.

(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/25104.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: TampaBay on September 23, 2006, 06:15:31 AM
I have learned so much from the this thread and I thought I knew all there was to know!  ;D ;D ;D

It is accepted fact the the Duchess of Kent and William IV did not, to be polite, care to be in each other's company.

Does anyone know the nature of the relationship between Queen Adelaide and the DUchess of Kent?

I find it strange that the Duchess of Kent kept Victoria away from the court.  If you are short on money, wht not curry favor with the King as mother to the heir.  I am sure it would be a short time before the king gave you an apartment in Buck House.  If my mother had been the Duchess of Kent her new best friend would have been Queen Adelaide. 

I think there is much more to this story that we may never know.

TampaBay
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on September 23, 2006, 06:43:12 AM
It is fascinating. I want to find out more about it all as well. I think Q Adelaide tried to be nice to the Duchess of Kent. But the Duchess of Kent was frosty I think. She didn't care about Queen Adelaide's birthday for example. How rude. >:(
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on October 28, 2006, 06:09:54 AM
(http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/LotFinderImages/D48160/D4816076x.jpg)

Number 89 belonged to HM Queen Adelaide
 :)

Lot Description A pearl and turquoise corsage ornament
The openwork bow shaped sumount with central collet set half pearl, suspending a series of three graduated openwork scroll panels, set throughout with cabochon turquoises and pearl accents, circa 1830, pearls untested, panels detachable for wear as two brooches, together with two fittings a similar panel and a pear shaped drop

Provenance Formerly the property of Queen Adelaide, the wife of William IV and aunt of Queen Victoria; probably given as a gift to Countess Henckel von Donnersmarck (1826-1904) and thence by descent.

(http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/LotFinderImages/D48160/D4816076r.jpg)
 
 


Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 28, 2006, 05:09:49 PM


I find it strange that the Duchess of Kent kept Victoria away from the court.  If you are short on money, wht not curry favor with the King as mother to the heir.  I am sure it would be a short time before the king gave you an apartment in Buck House.
TampaBay

It is doubtful that any funds would be forthcoming from the King.  He well knew that it would only end up in John Conroy's  pocket, so why bother.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: kmerov on October 30, 2006, 02:42:13 PM
I have learned so much from the this thread and I thought I knew all there was to know!  ;D ;D ;D

It is accepted fact the the Duchess of Kent and William IV did not, to be polite, care to be in each other's company.

Does anyone know the nature of the relationship between Queen Adelaide and the DUchess of Kent?

I find it strange that the Duchess of Kent kept Victoria away from the court.  If you are short on money, wht not curry favor with the King as mother to the heir.  I am sure it would be a short time before the king gave you an apartment in Buck House.  If my mother had been the Duchess of Kent her new best friend would have been Queen Adelaide. 

I think there is much more to this story that we may never know.

TampaBay

I think they had a good relationship in the early years, and Adelaide comforted the Dss of Kent in her widowhood. They both came to England under the same circumstances, and both were German Princesses. However the good relationship didn't last, although I can't remember the exact reason, but i think there was some sort of incident that triggered it, besides the Dss of Kent avoiding the "old" RF.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Grand Duchess Kimbo on October 31, 2006, 06:08:30 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen1.jpg)

This portrait below is in a building in Adelaide in Australia. It was from an Adelaide (the city) website so I don't know what building.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/adelaid11.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/adelaide1.jpg)

There's also a plaque of QA and a statue but the site didn't have a photo of the statue.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/adel_townhall_plaque1_6271.jpg)


Leave it to the Adelade native--that's the Art Gallery of South Australia that that painting is in, I think. :)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on November 02, 2006, 10:11:17 AM
I'm quite sure I read it is in Government House in Adelaide actually! And that is the dining table in front of it (the portrait).
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on November 14, 2006, 11:21:54 PM
MALTA -- Queen Adelaide Church, Valetta, 1882 Engraving

(http://www.kengal2000.com/queenadelaide82.jpg)

QUEEN DOWEGER ADELAIDE PORTRAIT WILLIAM NAVAL ASYLUM

I hadn't seen this portrait before either

(http://www.wholesale-prints.net/CCC1849/CCC1849377.jpg)

FUNERAL QUEEN DOWEGER ADELAIDE ST GEORGE CHAPEL 1849

(http://www.wholesale-prints.net/CCC1849/CCC1849409.jpg)

ROYAL GALLERY OF PICTURES BOOK QUEEN ADELAIDE 1840

Queen Adelaide's book of pictures

ITEM:  ROYAL GALLERY OF PICTURES being a selection mof THE CABINET PAINTINGS in HER MAJESTY'S PRIVATE COLLECTION AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE.

Published under the Superintendence of John Linnell, Esq, London, James Bohn, 12 Kink mWilliam Street, Charing Cross, MDCCCXL (1840).

Each painting has a black and whit full page plate as well as an information page that details some or all of the following information about the painting; title, artist, description, size, medium, where it was purchased and the price.

This book conatins the following black and white plates;

#1 The adoration of Magi, 1657, Rembrandt Van Rhyn

#2 The Marriage of St Catherine, Sir Anthony Anthony Vandyck

#3 No details, (Missing)

#4 The Grocers Shop, Gerard Douw

#5 Country Inn Door, Isaac Van Ostade

#6 Landscape with Ruins of an old Tower, Foresters and Dogs, Albert Cuyp

#7 The Milk Maid, Paul Potter

# 8 Death of Dido, Sir Joshua Reynolds

#9 The ship builder and his wife, 1633 (Missing)

#10 Titiano, Landscape with Herdsmen driving cattle (Missing)

#11 St Philip baptizing the Eunuch, Jan Both (Plate has a 9cm tear repaired with tape)

#12 The gardener. Portraits of Teniers and his family, David Teniers

#13 Cow and Goats, Karel Du Jardin

#14 The Battle Field, Philip Wouvermans

#15 The Hay Field, Philip Wouvermans

#16 The Marquis of Granby, Sir Joshua Reynolds

#17 Monks at their devotion, Granet

#18 King Charles I, Henrietta Maria, and Infant, Daniel Mytens (The plate has a 15cm tear)

#19 Landscape with Figures, Nicholas Berghem

#20 Missing

#21 Horses and Figures in a Landscape, Albert Cuyp

#22 Missing

#23 Missing

#24 Missing

#25 The Lady with a Fan, Rembrandt Van Rhyn, 1641

#26 Portrait of a Jew Rabbi, Rembrandt Van Rhyn

#27 Portrait of Wife, Sir Peter Paul Rubens

#28 The Hawking Party, Adrian Van De Velde

#29 Missing

#30 Missing

#31 Missing

#32 Count La Lippe, Sir Joshua Retnolds

#No number, Montreal, no information page

#No number, Kingston, Lake Ontario, no information page

I have included as much information and detail as I can, please ask if there is other information you require BEFORE bidding

APPROX. SIZE: The book measures 31cm x 25cm.

DATE: 1840.



CONDITION: The pages and plates are in good condition with some discolouring, marks, water spots on a few pages.

The front and back covers are deatched, 6cm of the spine is missing and the spine has damage.

Where we have indicated that a plate or page is missing we have assumed that it was there originally and has been later removed, however there is no evidence that some of the pages / plates were removed, so it is possible that they were not included in the book originally. 

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/Royalty%20etcetera/e2_2.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/Royalty%20etcetera/e2_1_b.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/Royalty%20etcetera/20_1.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/Royalty%20etcetera/8e_1.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/Royalty%20etcetera/0f_1.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/Royalty%20etcetera/70_1.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 15, 2006, 07:37:11 AM
Thanks for the pictures - what does her signature actually say?
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: basilforever on February 16, 2007, 05:54:34 AM
Slightly different portrait of Her Majesty here:

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/th_191115.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/191115.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/th_191115c.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/ROYALTY%20and%20more/191115c.jpg)

with the other Queen Consorts who were crowned with their husbands up until Queen Mary and George V.
Title: George Fitzclarence 1st Count of Munster
Post by: tecklenburg on May 03, 2008, 05:50:07 AM
Hey !

Can someone give me some informations about Lord Munster's sons : William (1824-), Frederick (1826-), George (1836-) & Edward (1837)
their lives, their careers...

thanks !
Title: Re: George Fitzclarence 1st Count of Munster
Post by: grandduchessella on May 03, 2008, 08:44:01 AM
Some info on these grandsons of William IV:

William George Fitzclarence, 2d Earl of Munster (1824-1901); m.1855 Wilhelmine Kennedy-Erskine and had 9 children. He had a life fairly typical of an aristocrat of his day--hunting parties, etc...He died at Brighton and is buried in Sussex. Wikipedia says that the Duchess of Kent would take her underage daughter (roughly the same age as her cousin) to visit him for fear of 'something happening'. He gained the rank of Captain in the service of the 1st Life Guards and held the office of Deputy Lieutenant (D.L.) of Middlesex.

Hon.Frederick Charles George Fitzclarence-Hunloke (1826-1878, just days after QV's daughter Alice); m.1856 Hon.Adelaide Sidney. He gained the rank of Captain in the service of the 10th Hussars and held the office of Deputy Lieutenant (D.L.) of Derbyshire. On 1865 his name was legally changed to Frederick Charles George Fitz-Clarence-Hunloke. He lived at Wingerworth Hall, Derbyshire, England.

Hon.George Fitzclarence (1836--1894); m.1864 Lady Maria Henrietta Scott and had 6 children. He gained the rank of Captain in the the Royal Navy. He was decorated with the Knight, Order of the Medjidie.


Hon.Edward Fitzclarence (1837-KIA in Crimean War 1855). He gained the rank of Lieutenant in the service of the 7th Fusiliers. He died of wounds received at the battle of Redan.

Their father, the 1st Earl of Munster committed suicide at age 48 in 1842 with a pistol given to him by his uncle, George IV.

Title: Re: George Fitzclarence 1st Count of Munster
Post by: tecklenburg on May 03, 2008, 11:51:41 AM
big thanks granduchessella !

It's impossible to get a clearer answer.
Title: Re: George Fitzclarence 1st Count of Munster
Post by: grandduchessella on May 03, 2008, 04:21:50 PM
You're welcome. Sadly, 7th Earl (who died in 2001), was the last of the FitzClarences.

Like their fellow almost-royals, the Fitzgeorges, they had a long history of military service to the Crown.

Not only was Edward killed in the Crimean War, but Geoffrey Fitzclarence, the 3rd Earl  died in 1902 during an accident at the Lapo Mines during his service in the Boer War. He was a Major of the 3rd Battalion of the Royal Scots, Lothian Regiment. He had previously served in Afghanistan (1879 and 1880). Additionally, his nephew, Capt. Charles Fitzclarence (the grandson of the 2nd Earl) was shot during the Boer War while serving with the Royal Fusiliers.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: LisaG on August 25, 2008, 03:15:34 PM
I couldn't find the old thread, but I posted a couple of years ago wondering if anyone had seen the bust of Princess Elizabeth (daughter of William IV) that QV had kept in her private apartments.

Well, some good little boy or girl has been updating Wikipedia, and they found it.  Here it is!

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/welfen/hannover3/1820%20Elizabeth.JPG)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: beladona on August 25, 2008, 04:51:16 PM
nice bust, but morbid...I wouldn´t want such thing in my private apartments:))
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Luc on September 15, 2008, 09:01:19 AM
Queen Adelaide at age 57, in the year she died, by Winterhalter  :o
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=queen+adelaide&object=405389&row=4
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: carl fraley on November 06, 2008, 03:31:51 AM
I wonder why QV kept it in her private apartments
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Michael II on November 06, 2008, 10:35:32 AM
A Victorian thing.  Queen Victoria kept pictures of Prince Albert on his deathbed over his side of the bed after he died.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 06, 2008, 11:19:13 AM
How odd,

but yet again, it shows how much Queen Victoria loved Prince Albert,

and what an odd bust, yet beautiful.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: LisaG on November 07, 2008, 02:04:39 PM
Plus, if Princess Elizabeth had lived, she would've been queen instead of QV.  I'm sure that fact gave the bust extra sentimental value.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: imperial angel on November 21, 2008, 02:21:05 AM
I agree with that. Queen Victoria was only a a young child (about two) when Elizabeth was born and died (late 1820-early 1821) but I think the bust might have been sentimental because of what you mentioned. Did Queen Victoria ever meet her cousin? (yes, I have read many bios of Queen Victoria, and they could tell me, but I don't have them in front of me). If Elizabeth had suceeded, history might have been very different, but who knows? Elizabeth was a cousin Queen Victoria never really knew, but one that could have altered her life story. I don't think it is odd she kept this- Queen Victoria was fond of Queen Adelaide, wife of William IV and mother of Elizabeth, I believe. That could have been another reason Queen Victoria kept this bust.
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 04, 2009, 03:53:22 PM
Hi,

I am reviving this old thread to ask a question that I have not foond on this board yet...

Does anybody know how Queen Adelaide got along with her sister-in-law, the Duchess of Kent???
I know they were both German princesses and were married on the same day & in the same ceremony;  but since the Duchess kept Victoria away from Court as much as she could and William IV didn't at all like the Duchess, what about Adelaide and Victoire???

Larry
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: alixaannencova on April 04, 2009, 05:39:02 PM
Larry

I have been having a quike look back through Mary Hopkirk's rather reverential bio of Queen Adelaide and have found that according to Augustus Cambridge Adelaide was the 'saving angel in the family.'

Adelaide seems to have tried very hard to play peacemaker between William and Victoria Kent. In the early years there seems to have been no animosity, but by 1824 when it was clear Adelaide would not be producing a healthy baby Clarence a change began to appear in the dynamics of the relationships between the Clarences and Victoria Kent, as the latter naturally became more interested in their niece little Drina Kent.

Throughout all the ensuing petty power games over her daughter, Victoria Kent seems to have regarded Adelaide as being as guilty as William in meddling in the upbringing and welfare of 'her' child. But I tend to believe that Adelaide was merely being very loyal to her husband and 'King'. It is without question, that Adelaide and the future Queen Victoria had a very affectionate and loving regard for one another.

Things obviously became far more fractured between the in - laws after William and Adelaide ascended to the throne as William 'did' nothing to hide his general dislike of his sister in law, although Adelaide appears to have made great efforts to keep relations from shattering completely until the infamous 1836 party scene when William really did go a bit far in public!

Adelaide was a remarkably strong woman in many ways, but her strength was manifested in a different way to the domineering 'pushy' personality of Victoria Kent. Adelaide could deal with an irascible William with ease and grew to accept and win the genuine affection and regard of most of his brood of illegitimate offspring, many of whom lived with them during the first years of their marriage!!!


Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 04, 2009, 09:11:01 PM
Hi,

Thank you, Toots, for that fine summation of the Victoire/Adelaide situation.

Today, at lunch, someone was talking about the "Young Victoria" movie and why it's not playing here yet;  and things got around to Adelaide & William and Mama Kent and I could not really give them a clear answer.

I have read that Victoria, upon becoming Queen, hugged her aunt and shoke her mother's hand.  I don't know how true that is;  but it speaks volumes, if correct!!

Cheers,
Larry
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Paul on April 05, 2009, 12:01:26 AM
Hi,

I am reviving this old thread to ask a question that I have not foond on this board yet...

Does anybody know how Queen Adelaide got along with her sister-in-law, the Duchess of Kent???
I know they were both German princesses and were married on the same day & in the same ceremony;  but since the Duchess kept Victoria away from Court as much as she could and William IV didn't at all like the Duchess, what about Adelaide and Victoire???

Larry

Follow the link below. It should give you a good start on the answers to your questions.

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f165/queen-adelaide-consort-of-william-iv-1792-1849-a-4313.html (http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f165/queen-adelaide-consort-of-william-iv-1792-1849-a-4313.html)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 27, 2010, 01:45:44 PM
In black
Queen Adelaide (http://www.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/92831274.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DIWSAsset%26k%3D2%26d%3D910C62E22B9F47AAE632D349A8D2D19A4B5115CF76388BC52021C25A182A33E1E30A760B0D811297&imgrefurl=http://www.jupiterimages.com/Image/royaltyFree/92831274&usg=__IGq-tJ1dn6dgYd6Hfsn1XkJlBRg=&h=482&w=353&sz=59&hl=es&start=55&itbs=1&tbnid=agkGl3mN_HLocM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=94&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dqueen%2Badelaide%2Bsaxe%2Bmeiningen%26start%3D54%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26tbs%3Disch:1)
Mature Lady
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/Adelaida.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/Adelaida1844.jpg)
A bit bigger
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/QueenAdelaide.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 27, 2010, 01:50:50 PM
An amazon
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/AmazonAdelaida.jpg)
Two more
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/SilverQueenA.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/QueenAd.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 27, 2010, 02:10:36 PM
With her husband
Click here (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/WilliamAdelaide.jpg)
Young
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/Adelaidaa.jpg)
Coronation
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/Coronation.jpg)
Another portrait
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/Adelaide2.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 09, 2010, 02:27:12 PM
In Royal robes
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/Adel.jpg)
Lovely
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/untitled.jpg)
Title: Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
Post by: Dru on September 04, 2012, 07:18:44 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/7933511944_8ed3f053a1_b.jpg)

King William and Queen Adelaide.