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Title: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Zanthia on September 25, 2006, 02:29:40 AM
For many people, me included, Romy Schneider will always be Sissi. And though the movies from the 50's more gave a picture of the ideal woman, rather than a true image of the empress, I enjoy watching them from time to time. And besides the movies historical unaccurancies, I think Romy was a very good choice to leading role.

But I would like to see a more correct version of the tragic empress on the silver screen, and if it were to be made today, who do you think would be perfect for the role as Sissi? Currently, I can't think of anyone who could play her, but let me hear some bids. :-*
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Post by: Zanthia on September 25, 2006, 06:04:00 AM
She certainly have grown a bit since Peter Pan, I could'nt regonize her at first. Love her hair in those two pics. I don't know about her nose and mouth, but her eyes and headshape resembles Sissi's. Very good start, Yseult. :)


By the way, I once read that back in the 60's, I think, MGM, I believe, wanted to make a movie about Sissi, featuring Hedy Lamarr in the lead. The plans got cancelled. Too bad, it could have been interesting to see how Hollywood would have portraited Sissi, but I don't know if Hedy would have been right. She was very beautiful, no doubt about that, but I don't think she looked like Sissi one bit. :-\
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Post by: ilyala on September 25, 2006, 06:49:41 AM
rachel weisz looks to me a little like sissi. with the right make-up she might make a good one (just based on appearance... as far as acting ability goes... hard to tell)

(http://www.poster.net/weisz-rachel/weisz-rachel-photo-rachel-weisz-6200879.jpg)

(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/mar2005/4/4/000AE035-9371-123A-8BBA80C328EC0000.jpg)
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Post by: Marie Valerie on September 25, 2006, 08:04:40 AM
Catherine Zeta Jones

(http://www.absolutely.net/zetajones/index.jpg)


(http://www.celebrity9.com/img/catherine-zeta-jones/biography.jpg)
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Post by: ilyala on September 25, 2006, 09:23:23 AM
i don't know about catherine... she doesn't have that look of innocence that i see in sissi (which does not mean i think sissi innocent, but she looked innocent...)... i've never seen her acting a part of a complete innocent, so i don't know if she can act that look.

as far as the look goes the first actress presented is the best of the three (but she needs to dye her hair - not extremely difficult nowadays  :P), and i think rachel can have it too... don't know about catherine... she looks more of the confident beauty type (and i don't think sissi was very confident)
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Post by: Zanthia on September 26, 2006, 03:10:00 AM
I love Rachel and Catherine, great actresses both of them. I think Weisz would be great too ;D, but I don't know about Zeta-Jones either. I still see her as Catherine the Great, which she was perfect for by the way, but I can't quite see her as Sissi.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: miki_nastya on June 07, 2007, 01:33:00 AM
  I apologize if there is another topic like this.  I just saw the Sissi's mouvies wirh Romy Schneider. Their were so beutiful. I would love to see Sissi and Franz kissing all the time. Beieing so in love like in the mouvies.
       Now what about the cartoon? I saw it when I was little and I just fall in love with Sissi. I also fall in love with Franz, he was so beautiful. Is to bead in real life he wasn't so hansome (well is just my opinon) .
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Princess Susan on June 07, 2007, 04:26:27 PM
I think, that Franz was more handsome in real live, than in films. Especially when he was young of course.
Almost in every book you can read how good looking young man he was. At least lot of people (woman) considered him very handsome in his time.
It's possible to find out a lot of nice portraits of him.
No every picture was done good, but it depents especially on painter.
He was very cute as a little boy as well.
Does somebody know his portrait when he was perhaps 16 years old? I mean, he looks on this picture absolutely lovely, although
a little bit childish. :)
Later maybe I will send it, now I unfortunately can't. :-\
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Therese on June 16, 2007, 03:13:56 AM
Do you talk about this picture, Susan:

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5315/youngfranzvb9.jpg)

That´s a nice portrait, I think, Franz looks very handsome on it.

In October, there´ll come out a new cinema film in Germany: "Lissi und der wilde Kaiser". It´s a cartoon parody of the Sissi-films with Romy Schneider. The producer Bully Herbig is also a comedian und did a parody of Elisabeth already in his TV-shows.

http://www.lissi.film.de/ (http://www.lissi.film.de/)
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Post by: Greenowl on June 16, 2007, 02:59:55 PM
Yes, that is a nice portrait of Franz-Joseph. However, my favourite portrait if the emperor is the famous Winterhalter painting. Do you know it?
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Post by: Therese on June 17, 2007, 03:49:01 AM
It´s the portrait from 1865, isn´t it? Yes, that´s a very nice painting, too. Most of Winterhalter´s portraits are beautiful, I think, f. e. the portrait of Alexandra of Denmark or Madame Barbe de Rimsky-Korsakov.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Princess Susan on June 18, 2007, 10:24:53 AM
Therese, portrait witch you sent, is very nice too. But I ment another portrait. Your picture of Franz Joseph is from time, when he was just emperor. I guess between years 1848-1852. I thought portrait from 1846, when he was even archduke- 16 years old.
If I have opportunity, I will send it this or next week. Now I unfortunately can't.
I like Winterhalter portrait as well.
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Post by: miki_nastya on July 17, 2007, 06:46:55 AM
 About the Sissi tryology. In the movies was realy Romy Schneider Hair or a wig?
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Post by: Princess Susan on July 18, 2007, 04:10:27 PM
Do you talk about this picture, Susan:

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5315/youngfranzvb9.jpg)

That´s a nice portrait, I think, Franz looks very handsome on it.

In October, there´ll come out a new cinema film in Germany: "Lissi und der wilde Kaiser". It´s a cartoon parody of the Sissi-films with Romy Schneider. The producer Bully Herbig is also a comedian und did a parody of Elisabeth already in his TV-shows.

http://www.lissi.film.de/ (http://www.lissi.film.de/)

I have ment this picture of Franz Joseph as a sixteen years old archduke: http://cisarovna-sisi.wz.cz/r_franz2.html
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Princess Susan on July 18, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
I have ment this picture of Franz Joseph as a sixteen years old archduke: http://cisarovna-sisi.wz.cz/r_franz2.html
(In last post is probably not visible this sentence).
 
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Silja on July 22, 2007, 03:47:34 PM
About the Sissi tryology. In the movies was realy Romy Schneider Hair or a wig?

It was a wig, or at least hair pieces, I'm not quite sure. You may have noticed that in part three she wears her hair a lot shorter than in the two previous parts. Romy Schneider simply refused to wear that heavy wig again.
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Post by: dmitri on July 30, 2007, 11:34:40 PM
Romy Schneider is simply beautiful as the Empress Elisabeth in the movie Ludwig with Helmut Berger. I also like Ava Gardner as the older Elisabeth in Mayerling.
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Post by: aor on August 15, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
I was finally able to lay my hands on the epic Ludwig II with Romy Schneider that I can watch on my DVD player. I am looking forward watching it and hope the Empress Elisabeth will be better 'expressed' in this movie than in the trilogy Sissi. I would love to see a new movie being made about her life that, somewhat more closely, adheres to the historical facts now known about her life and struggles. I too liked Ava Gardner, but am partial to the actress that portrayed her in 'Rudolf's Letzte Liebe' (1954-1955). For the life of me can't remember her name....................
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Post by: Gabriella on August 15, 2007, 03:24:53 PM
Hello, aor,

do you mean the austrian movie "kronprinz Rudolfs letzte Liebe" made in 1954 starring  Rudolf Prack and Christiane Hörbigger as Rudolf and Mary Vetsera?

If so, it was the german actress Lil Dagover who portrayed Sisi.

Gabriella
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: dmitri on August 15, 2007, 08:19:14 PM
Elisabeth was also portrayed in Ludwig II starring O.W.Fischer in the lead. I forget the name of the actress who played Elisabeth.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: aor on August 16, 2007, 07:42:43 AM
Hello, aor,

do you mean the austrian movie "kronprinz Rudolfs letzte Liebe" made in 1954 starring  Rudolf Prack and Christiane Hörbigger as Rudolf and Mary Vetsera?

If so, it was the german actress Lil Dagover who portrayed Sisi.

Gabriella

Yes! Thank you, that's her. I knew her first name was Lil, but for the life of me could not remember her last name. I did not see the other movie about Ludwig II yet. In the US I have to rely on availability of books in German through Amazon, it is impossible to order a book through the German Amazon site. In the past 2 years I have picked up a number of biographies about Empress Elisabeth and so far I have enjoyed the one by Joan Hayslip the best. Maybe because she wrote it later when more information did become available, it gives a better insight about both sides.
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Post by: Princess Susan on August 16, 2007, 08:01:01 AM
Yes, Lonely Empress by Joan Haslip is nice book.
In common books are much better then movies, because are more real.
I' ve never heard about 'Kronprinz Rudolfs letzte Liebe' but I think that is pity, that nobody is able to
(or only don't want?) do realy good film according reality about Rudolf, Sisi or another habsburgs and their relativs.
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Post by: dmitri on August 16, 2007, 09:01:51 AM
Yes Haslip's book is really a gem.
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Post by: Silja on August 19, 2007, 02:32:32 PM
Elisabeth was also portrayed in Ludwig II starring O.W.Fischer in the lead. I forget the name of the actress who played Elisabeth.

Her name is Ruth Leuwerik. She also starred as Queen Louise of Prussia in another German film from the 1950s.
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Post by: dmitri on August 19, 2007, 05:35:00 PM
Yes of course. Thanks for that. She was quite good.
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Post by: ferrymansdaughter on August 20, 2007, 07:04:53 AM
On Saturday night the BBC showed a one-off episode from the tv series  "Fall of Eagles".  This episode featured Diane Keene (a British actress who may not be known to those of you elsewhere)  as a young Sissy and covered several years of her marriage to Franz Joseph.  The tv series was made in the early 70s. I'm not sure if it is available on DVD but I shall have a look as it made me want to watch it all.  I dimly remember my parents watching it but I don't think it has been shown since.

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: dmitri on August 20, 2007, 09:58:31 PM
It was a real mixed bag. I guess some people liked it.
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Post by: aor on August 21, 2007, 08:24:03 AM
I watched the DVD Ludwig II, it was rather annoying as it had Italian subtitles, but it was the only one available that could be played in Region 1.
It is a dark sort of tale, and the Cuckoo flew over Ludwig's nest twice...............But, I was so impressed with Romy Schneider's portrayal of Elisabeth. What a relief it must have been for her to be able to portray the Empress Elisabeth so much closer to what she would have been, than was portrayed in the sugar sweet trilogy.
Can you imagine a movie made to depict the life of the Empress, true to history, with Romy's daughter playing the young Sissi and, if Romy would still be alive today, her as the older Empress.
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Post by: Princess Susan on August 21, 2007, 09:12:59 AM
On Saturday night the BBC showed a one-off episode from the tv series  "Fall of Eagles".  This episode featured Diane Keene (a British actress who may not be known to those of you elsewhere)  as a young Sissy and covered several years of her marriage to Franz Joseph.  The tv series was made in the early 70s. I'm not sure if it is available on DVD but I shall have a look as it made me want to watch it all.  I dimly remember my parents watching it but I don't think it has been shown since.



I wonder how was made this film...Did you enjoy it? Did you have good sense from it? Was it real story or not realy?
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Post by: ferrymansdaughter on August 22, 2007, 06:36:03 AM
On Saturday night the BBC showed a one-off episode from the tv series  "Fall of Eagles".  This episode featured Diane Keene (a British actress who may not be known to those of you elsewhere)  as a young Sissy and covered several years of her marriage to Franz Joseph.  The tv series was made in the early 70s. I'm not sure if it is available on DVD but I shall have a look as it made me want to watch it all.  I dimly remember my parents watching it but I don't think it has been shown since.



I wonder how was made this film...Did you enjoy it? Did you have good sense from it? Was it real story or not realy?

Well I don't know that much about Sissi so can't be sure how accurate it was, but ithis was a highly regarded tv series from the 70s  with some of the UK's best actors in it.    This episode  was mostly about her marriage to Frank Joseph  and her love of Hungary and her relationship with her mother in law sophie.  Worth a look if you could get the DVDs though.

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Post by: dmitri on August 22, 2007, 07:43:04 AM
Have seen it. There are others which are much better.
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Post by: aor on August 22, 2007, 09:29:46 AM
It is a 4 disc DVD set. There are only 3 episodes dealing with the Emperor and his family. The first episode is about him meeting Elisabeth and it tells the tale of her struggle with Sophie, the birth of the first 2 children and the death of the eldest child in Hungary. The berating she gets from Sophie and finally as she states; the broodmare finally produced the heir. It hints towards her illness, Madeira and her finally being able to stand up to his mother.

The second episode shows the Mayerling affair and how it was dealt with by the court. It also shows the Empress during this time and how she had changed and hardened.

The third episode is about the Emperor's final years. His 'friendship' with Ms. Schratt, the dislike he had for Franz Ferdinand and his wife and how Germany pushes for war.

All and all I was not too impressed with this DVD set, as I already had read the book and it too bored me.
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Post by: dmitri on August 22, 2007, 10:51:28 AM
The book was much, much better.
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Post by: Princess Susan on August 23, 2007, 04:39:54 AM
Witch book do you mean? Joan Haslip's book, or Brigitte Hamman's book about Eilisabeth in Bavaria?
Or does any book exist according witch was made this film?
I can't judge because I have never seen 'Fall of Eangels', but how I mentioned before, basically books are much better and much
more interesting than films in common.
Of course success of film depends on lot of things, on actors as well.
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Post by: aor on August 23, 2007, 07:39:07 AM
Witch book do you mean? Joan Haslip's book, or Brigitte Hamman's book about Eilisabeth in Bavaria?
Or does any book exist according witch was made this film?
I can't judge because I have never seen 'Fall of Eangels', but how I mentioned before, basically books are much better and much
more interesting than films in common.
Of course success of film depends on lot of things, on actors as well.

The book is Fall of the Eagles. The BBC based a television series in the '70's on this book and all the episodes of this series are available on DVD. The book get much deeper into the subject matter, and though interesting to read how all of Europe was entwined by these Monarchies, it sometimes was a hard read for me and could not keep me interested.
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Post by: dmitri on August 23, 2007, 10:25:13 AM
I guess the book assumed you had read other things. Go back to it and read bits and pieces as you feel like.
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Post by: Silja on August 24, 2007, 03:42:54 PM
Although you can certainly criticize the episodes on the Habsburgs (as any episode of the series and any film about a historical subject) I think Fall of Eagles positively stands out against the kitsch films made about Sisi/the Habsburg.
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Post by: Princess Susan on August 26, 2007, 05:40:55 AM
Yes, I think so.
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Post by: dmitri on August 26, 2007, 05:17:30 PM
Of course Romy Schneider was overly sweet. Check her in Ludwig and you will see she was not.
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Post by: Lucien on September 23, 2008, 12:16:06 PM
The late Romy Schneider would have celebrated her 70th birthday today.

http://www.royalimages.nl/search.pp?specialid=2134&flush=1

courtesy Royalimages.
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Post by: C FIKES on October 22, 2008, 12:23:32 PM
 :) :)
Hello,
I don't know how many of you seen the movies with Romy Schneider, my feeling is that she was the best Sissi ever and that no other actress will be able to captare the empresses inocents and life as she did. The movies are perfect as they are, don't mess with perfection.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2008, 06:22:28 PM
I think so too, But I don't think any was identified so much with Sisi than Romy...I can't imagine anybody to play her. Any suggestions ?
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Post by: Greenowl on October 23, 2008, 07:02:15 AM
I think that Romy Schneider was a wonderful actress with a very special and unique charisma. However, I feel that the three "Sissi" films did not do justice to either her or Empress Elisabeth, as they were too idealized and gave a rather false impression of the life of the Empress, who was a far more complex personality than the one depicted. While the Sissi triology made Romy Schneider famous, she spent the rest of her (unfortunately far too short) life trying to distance herself from the role and resented being typecast.
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Post by: C FIKES on October 23, 2008, 10:03:52 AM

Yes I too must agree that the trilogy is more on the romantic side than fact, but that is what I like about it. No sex scenes, no bad language wonderful.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 23, 2008, 11:47:20 AM
Romy Schneider always will be Sissi to me, but not the Empress. I try to see them as something rather romanticized but lovely, I know Romy played the Empress one more time after the Sissi-Trilogy. She played her in the biopic on the life of Ludwig II of Bavaria called 'Ludwig', in that movie she plays a more true Elisabeth, she has quite a big part, as does her sister Sophie. I also have a miniseries based on the life of her sister Sophie. I have seen the BBC-series 'Fall of Eagles' wich features her too, also there is a miniseries based on the life of her son Rudolf, she is played there by Sandra Ceccarelli. I have also heared about 2 movie's based on her real life, Sisi und der Kaiserkuß & Sissi L'Imperatrice Rebelle - rather dramatised I've heared - , I have not seen both of the movies but i really want too, and there is also a musical based on her life called 'Elisabeth', it is a German production but I've seen parts of the dutch version, and soon I'll have a copy on dvd.

Here is my list with actresses I know that played her:
Romy Schneider(Sissi-Trilogy and Ludwig)
Vanessa Wagner(Sisi und der Kaiserkuß)
Arielle Dombasle (Sissi L'Imperatrice Rebelle)
Sandra Ceccarelli(The Crown Prince)
Pia Douwes(Elisabeth, The Musical)
Diane Keen(Fall of Eagles, Death Waltz)
Rachel Gurney(Fall of Eagles, Requiem for a Crown Prince)

I can try and get some screenshots of most of the listed productions, but Romy Schneider quite looked after the real Empress in my opinion. And as for who I'd like to see playing the Empress, well I haven't thought about it but I will and tell you who I'd like to see as the Empress when I post the pictures.
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Post by: Laura_ on October 23, 2008, 11:54:05 AM
also the beautiful Ava Gardner in Mayerling (1968).
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2008, 02:12:29 PM
I tend to think Ava did a good job in that movie. She displayed the emotions of a fading beauty well.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 23, 2008, 03:00:40 PM
Yea, I still am hoping for an international DVD-release, I love the MGM Classics and epspecialy when they're based on real events, they're always great at the sets, costumes and most of the time also the story :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2008, 03:03:18 PM
Mayerling was actually a French film, but there is a dubbed version. I had the tape.

I was trying to find the film still of Ava as Sisi in the ball scene. She looked wonderful in that black dress decked with jewels.  :D
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 23, 2008, 03:16:01 PM
Yes I know, but there were two films actauly called 'Mayerling' the version from 1936 - the french movie -, wich I really want to see because of its good reviews, and the version from 1968, starring Omar Sharif as Archduke Rudolf, Catherine Deneuve as Mary Vetsera and Ava Gardner as the Empress.
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Post by: Greenowl on October 24, 2008, 06:42:13 AM

Yes I too must agree that the trilogy is more on the romantic side than fact, but that is what I like about it. No sex scenes, no bad language wonderful.


Well I agree with you on that point! A return to more innocent days would be nice, but unfortunately does not seem to be possible.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 24, 2008, 12:55:47 PM
Although I think a more realistic of story of Sisi need to be told. She was never that nice and could be wilful at times...
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Post by: Valancy on October 28, 2008, 03:50:32 AM
Yes, I would love to see a film that told a more realistic story of Sisi. Romy Schneider is a lovely actress, but those films don't have that much to do with the truth. I've heard that Romy hated the inaccuracies of the films. And I'm under the impression that most Austrians who know anything about their own history know that those films are just romantic fairytales and that the reality was something quite different. But those films tend to annoy me because all too often, they're all that foreigners know about Sisi, and that means they really don't have a truthful image of her.

Other than the Sissi films (which I saw 15 years and a few biographies too late... I'd probably have liked them as a child) I've only seen the Kronprinz Rudolf TV film, with Sandra Ceccarelli as Elisabeth. I thought she did a pretty good job in the dreamy melancholy of the Empress, even if the character was maybe scripted a bit too nice - but that's not the fault of the actress.

But I was very glad to see Imperial_Grounds mention the Elisabeth musical, which is quite a popular musical in Europe, though no English version has been made so it isn't so well known in English-speaking countries. I love that musical - it's actually what got me into Elisabeth and other Habsburgs and Wittelsbachs, of course I'd heard something about them before but I hadn't realised how interesting they were. And I find that out of the fictionalisations of Elisabeth etc. that I know, it's the most accurate a representation of her life and character. Even though as it's a musical and you can't fit in everything, very many things have been left out, and it's actually got a very fantastical approach. Elisabeth's story is narrated by Lucheni, her murderer, and her life is represented as a battle for independence on the one hand and as a romance with Death on the other. Death is a character in the musical, an attractive young man who loves Elisabeth and tries to get her - this accounts for many of the tragedies of her life as well as her depression and longing for death.

There have been lots of excellent actresses playing Elisabeth in that musical, who I've felt have really portrayed her character very well, both positive and negative sides - she isn't just a heroine there, she is also a deeply flawed human being whose strength turns against her and who commits her own big errors. Pia Douwes, already mentioned here, is a really great Elisabeth; another famous one whom I also love is Maya Hakvoort, who plays Elisabeth on the DVD made of the Vienna production of the musical. There are also many other good ones. Annemieke Van Dam of the current German tour of Elisabeth looks incredibly much like the real Sisi and seems to play her with lots of spirit and emotion. My own personal favourite is the Hungarian Nikolett Füredi, whom I saw last January in Budapest. She had a unique emotional depth and strength and brought across Elisabeth's dark side very well, her fragile emotional balance, her aloofness and her longing for Death. I could post some pictures of this musical if you want, though I don't know if there should perhaps be a different thread for the musical, as this thread is for films and cartoons, not the stage.

There is also a Rudolf musical, but it doesn't have Elisabeth as a character. The Elisabeth musical has Rudolf, though.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 29, 2008, 07:57:30 AM
I got my copy of the musical Elisabeth today and I will try and put a version on with English subtitles for those who want to see it, it's truly a beautiful production. Wonderful music and a more correct portrayal of the Empress, the papers wrote down 'A 19th century Princess Diana' when it was first released in the netherlands in 1999.

I've also found a torrent for 'Sissi, L'Imperatrice Rebelle', but the movie itself is in French so if someone would be able to work on English subtitles that would be helpful, the movie is fictive but tells a more true story. Days before her tragic death the Empress visits doctor Mayer, she retells the story of her tragic life to find herself and so we get to know the young Elisabeth, into marriage with Franz, giving birth to her daughter and losing her at a tragic young age, the death of her son, her fascination with exercising and diets, her friendship with Count Andrasy and eventually her tragic death. She is shown as a free-spirited woman with a troubled and tragic life.

The actress doesn't look like the Empress, and so do some other actors and characters. It is quite dramatised, but stays true to the story unlike the Sissi-films which present her life as a fairytale.

For instance, in the movie Elisabeth is present at Mayerling when her son dies and she finds him and Mary, and when she is walking towards the ship in Geneva she walks and collapses, without reaching the ship, not true to history but more correct than most other movies, and it works in the dramatic sense of the movie. Also I've heared the Empress mentions writing a book, and while she wrote poetry she never wrote down her story. And she did never sing, wile she did in the movie. Also after consumated the marraige I've heared that Franz said 'I've laid her' as he probably did not in real life, and she is undressed by chambermaids before the wedding night, and after the wedding-night she got the Mogengabe, in form of golden coins. And when Archduchess Sophie dies she and Elisabeth have quite a discussion, while we know they didn't discuss at all by Sophie's deathbed.

Here is the torrent: http://tfile.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140209

If someone could provide the English subtitles I would be grateful :)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2008, 12:14:25 PM
Franz Josef did informed his mother and courtiers the night he made Sisi into a woman. She felt shy and dread the breakfast with Archduchess Sofie in the morning.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 29, 2008, 12:43:54 PM
I know he did informed the court about it but I can't imagine him saying it like that.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2008, 12:46:55 PM
Not surprising to me if he did. Franz Josef was never known to be sensitive...Especially it was official business to him.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 29, 2008, 01:23:40 PM
Maybe, anwyay. I guess we won't ever know the truth, unless it is found in a diary or something, or a letter.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2008, 02:33:47 PM
I am just saying that it is possible given his nature. It was this "dedication" that made Sisi fell out of love with him. He may look dashing and handsome, but he was a breaucrat at heart...
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Post by: Princess Susan on October 29, 2008, 03:53:12 PM
Hmm, very hard to say and imagine what realy happened in that time. But anyway I expected that Archduchess Sophie asked him and he had to replied about previous night. So what he should have said? Franz Joseph always did almost everything what his mother expected from him.
Also as a son he was maybe to dutiful, what sometimes wasn't right solution.
He surely wasn't very sensitive man, but he wasn't rude as well... Maybe he considered it for official business too. Although I think, that his love and affection to her undoubtedly had not less importance that official side of that matter.
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Post by: Greenowl on October 29, 2008, 05:50:11 PM
According to George R. Marek in "The Eagles Die" (pages 104-105): "It was very late when Ludovika conducted her daughter to the bedchamber; 12 pages holding golden candelabra stood along the way. Ludovika, assisted by Countess Esterhazy and four maids, undressed the bride. A half-hour later Sophie led her son into the room. By that time Elisabeth could no longer bear the exchange of polite inanities with her mother-in-law and pretended to be asleep. Sophie felt insulted. As a final instruction Elisabeth was told that she was expected to appear at the family breakfast the next morning. That was a shock to her; she didn't want to show herself after the wedding night. She protested feebly. In vain - it was a tradition and there was nothing to be done about it. At the breakfast Sophie is supposed to have asked her how well her son had performed the sexual act. Elisabeth broke into a fit of weeping..." Sounds like a very tense atmosphere!
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Post by: Valancy on October 30, 2008, 03:53:15 AM
Yes, I don't think we'll ever know just which words he used. And mostly he did not speak in ultra-delicate language, even if he probably didn't mean to be harsh, so he might as well have said something like that.

I'll have to check out that French movie at some point when I have the time. I understand French, but I'm not sure if my French is good enough for making subtitles. Sometimes I lose track of it when they speak fast.

Did you know that there are very persistent rumours of a Hollywood movie being made of Elisabeth and Franz-Joseph? I am quite skeptical about it, and especially since those rumours are naming Catherine Zeta-Jones and Tom Hanks as playing Sisi and FJ, which I really cannot imagine. And I don't really want to know what Hollywood would do to Elisabeth's story. Some German or Austrian film about Sisi is also being planned, but I don't remember details about it.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 30, 2008, 10:01:39 AM
Where did you hear these rumors, Valancy?

I just finished downloading 'Sissi L'Imperatrice Rebelle' and it turns out to be dubbed in Russian, From what i saw it is one of the few movies showing a more historical  :Dcorrect portrayal of the Empress herself, but it has inaccuracies and therefore I am hoping to see a correct depiction on her life someday.

I watched 'Elisabeth - The Musical' for the first time today and I really loved it, it is a beautiful production and some of the songs really touched me, I really hope they'll release the Dutch version on dvd, oficialy, someday. And I keep hoping that the plans for the Flemish version of the musical will come true so I can go to see it :D
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2008, 05:38:23 PM
Sisi was very happy because her dashing hero princewas actually a breaucrat tried to his mother's apron-strings. What a come down ! No wonder Sisi wrote sad verses and long to be free. Her early efforts with motherhood was spoiled by the "deligent attention" by her mother-in-law. Enought material for a made for tv movie.

I think Catherine-Zeta-Jones could play the middle age Sisi (as she did Catherine The Great before). Her hair was a great asset...Tom Hanks wasn't up for it. Even Ralph Feinnes or Hugh Jackman (who played aprince before) is better than him.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 30, 2008, 06:16:51 PM
EEKS...

I am exited:p

There is no new movie, as far as I know, but i just found out the musical will come to Belgium, so I'll have to watch it(and with some luck there'll be a dvd availble to, as they do quite with stage-musicals often lately.

Anyway I am exited, and praying for a dvd then.
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Post by: Laura_ on October 30, 2008, 07:38:47 PM

I think Catherine-Zeta-Jones could play the middle age Sisi (as she did Catherine The Great before). Her hair was a great asset...

I have to agree :-)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Valancy on October 31, 2008, 05:55:46 AM
I don't remember the exact sources from which I heard about the new movie plans (only plans, it's not in production or anything yet). But it was from Austrian people, apparently Vienna has been full of these rumours, and someone who should know (I don't remember who) had said in a public event that it indeed is being planned. I also read about it in some Austrian newspaper. If I come across quotable sources again, I'll let you know.

Catherine is a good actress, but she's just not physically the Sisi type at all. Just because they're both beautiful and dark-haired doesn't mean that they're alike. And I don't think Catherine would work as the middle-aged Elisabeth simply because she is too healthy. She has a normal-sized feminine figure, at least the last time I saw something with her in it, and the way Sisi worked out and near starved herself in order to keep excessively slim wouldn't be able to come out.

Yes, the musical is coming to Belgium in the near future. It is also currently playing in Zurich (the German tour moved there after Berlin) and it's in the repertoire of the Budapest Operetta Theatre, though they haven't had performances of it for a few months now. But probably they will at some point.

Was it the Vienna DVD of the musical with Maya Hakvoort and Máté Kamarás you watched, Imperial Grounds? Not that there is any other version officially (besides the Takarazuka DVDs from Japan, but they're a bit different), but there is all sorts of stuff in circulation. The Vienna production is my biggest favourite, along with the Hungarian one.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 31, 2008, 06:48:31 AM
I saw the Dutch version with Pia, and intend to watch the Official DVD of the Vienna-production sometime soon. I recently found out that it indeed will come to Belgium, and that they are casting. I am wondering when they'll start looking for young actors to play Rudolf(as a child and as a teenager). I would even try to get in myself, I just love singing and acting, and even took singing classes(aldo that won't probably be enaugh). I hope there'll be a DVD of the Flemish musical then, since they quite often sell DVD's of Musical's here, like they did with Dracula, and now are doing again with Daens. But even if there won't be a DVD, I'd love to see it - or be part of it.

And please do keep us informed on the plans for a new movie, I also would love to see an English version of the musical, and maybe even a movie of it(like they did with Evita and Jesus Christ Superstar). And I know I'm going of-topic here but is it true there is a musical based on the life of Marie Antoinette? It should be playing in Germany if I'm right.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2008, 02:39:52 PM
Well...Helen Mirren looked nothing like the Queen, but with make up and acting skills. She pulled it off as HM. Catherine could play Sisi during the height to fading periods. At that time, Sisi was at her most powerful and wilful. One letter shot at her husband and he submitted. She had flirts with Bay Middleton and Nicholas Esterhay. Certainly Catherine could play the wandering Empress. Ava Gardner in "Mayerling" did not resemble the super thin Sisi, but her insecurities of a fading beauty was just right (as Ava herself was a fading beauty too).

I would love to buy a dvd of the Sisi musical when it became available. Was Nene and Sophie in them ?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 31, 2008, 02:47:24 PM
Yes, Sophie is a major charactar and tries really hard to ruin the marriage of the Imperial couple, Nene is in there shortly in the beginning. I can't wait for it to come to Belgium, and you can see parts of the German production on youtube(subtitled), but I really see Pia as Elisabeth, she was really good with the acting and singing. My favorite part was the one after Rudolf dies and she finaly sees how much they in fact were alike and that she felt guilty for leaving him alone, it got me all teared up.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2008, 02:53:10 PM
Indeed ! Sisi and Rudolf had a connection but never fully appreciate each other until it was too late. Had Rudolf confided in his mother, his life might not have ended so tragically. It was a guilt Sisi carried the remainder of her life. That iswhy she connected with Eugenie in her later years as well.

Actually I was referring to Sophie Charlotte, Duchess of Alencon. She was the odd person out in the triangle of Sisi-Ludwig II relationship...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 31, 2008, 03:31:02 PM
Sophie is briefly mentioned yes, as is Ludwig II, in a song near the end about the people the Empress lost. It comes after Rudolf's death to show how she longs for death(because the musical is a love-triangle between Elisabeth, Franz-Joseph and Death), to find freedom and to be reunited with her loved-ones. Anyway, it mentions  that Ludwig drown to death and that Sophie burned to death. I have a movie on both Ludwig II and Sophie, both mention their engagement and their tragic deaths ofcourse, Ludwig II also has a big part for Elisabeth(Romy again, as the 'real' Empress this time).
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2008, 04:04:26 PM
Is that the movie "Ludwig" ? It was the only one that she played Elizabeth a more mature woman than the cheezy "Sisi" films. Indeed, I think Sophie Charlotte was more complex than given credit for. She was "in love" with Ludwig II, but also carried on an affair with a photographer (years before Princess Margaret did).
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 31, 2008, 04:56:17 PM
Yes it is Ludwig, and indeed Sophie had an affair with a photographer(the movie based on her life uses their love as 'base', so it is not all correct to history but still keeps the key-moments - Sophie's engagement with Ludwig, her marriage with the duke, her stay in the asylum and eventualy her death), anyway I can't wait to see the flemish musical(keep hoping for a dvd) and to see a more correct movie on the life of the Empress...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2008, 06:35:59 PM
Indeed. With the right script, director and actress. The result is possible to produce something like "Vive en Rose" (the story of Edith Pief), which is a great movie. A period piece but nicely done. The story of Sisi have that potential too...Any preferrence of directors ?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Valancy on November 01, 2008, 04:21:28 AM
I can't really imagine the Elisabeth musical as a film. It's too theatrical, it belongs in theatre and wouldn't work on film. All those sequences with Death would just look weird in a film otherwise set in real locations etc.

Hmm, I wonder what kind of a script the Belgian production will have. You see, Elisabeth the musical has sometimes rather remarkable differences between scripts of different versions. The Dutch production was the only one which actually had two songs with young Rudolf, with two different young Rudolf actors. Afterwards the first scene has been replaced by a scene where Sophie decides that Rudolf must be trained by Count Gondrecourt, and only the second scene remains. I think it more likely that a new production will follow the script of the recent Vienna production rather than the old Dutch script, but I'm not sure, of course. The musical has undergone quite a few developments in different productions, the creators have added different scenes at different times, then some changes have been taken into the new productions, some haven't.

If some of you are curious to see scenes from the musicals with subtitles, I can give you a few links. Otherwise it can be really hard to find the right ones among the multitudes of the YouTube videos. These are fan made translations so they're not necessarily 100% accurate, but they should give you a general idea. I tried to find fairly good translations, but none are perfect. These are from the 2005 Vienna DVD with Maya Hakvoort in the role of Elisabeth. (People sometimes complain that she looks too old in the early parts of the musical, but considering it spans her whole life, it would be rather difficult for an actress to be the right age all the time, and I don't think that the filming conditions were always as favourable as they should have been.)

Ich gehör nur mir - Elisabeth's first big solo, when shortly after her marriage she is angered by the lack of freedom she has as an Empress and Franz-Joseph not standing up to her. (The translation is the "official" English translation which is not very good, not a literal translation, but I couldn't find any other subtitled version.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_vdgL097_o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_vdgL097_o)

Ich will dir nur sagen / Ich gehör nur mir (reprise) - The finale of the first act, with Franz-Joseph, Elisabeth and Death. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M01fI9eJfG4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M01fI9eJfG4)

Wenn ich tanzen will - Elisabeth and Death's duet after Elisabeth has been crowned the Queen of Hungary and is at the height of her power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR3hdAc_RDs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR3hdAc_RDs)

Nichts, nichts, gar nichts - Elisabeth's second solo, in which she visits a madhouse, sees a woman who thinks herself to be the Empress, and is led to contemplating the emptiness of her life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHjhJz6eV3Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHjhJz6eV3Q)

Die Rastlose Jahre & Die Schatten werden länger - The "restless years" when Elisabeth constantly travels the world and fears growing old (by the ensemble, Franz-Joseph and Lucheni), and the duet between Rudolf and Death, in which Death feels Rudolf's feelings of depression and oncoming disaster. (I must say I don't much like this Rudolf actor, but the song is great.)

Rudolf, wo bist du? - The scene after Rudolf's death, where Elisabeth regrets her coldness and wants to die in her unhappiness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHVl_f6T928 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHVl_f6T928)


And just in case you're curious for a somewhat different production of with a different Elisabeth, here is a promotional video of the Dutch production with Pia Douwes singing the Dutch version of "Ich gehör nur mir" and various videoclips of the production: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGnl-SLKDB4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGnl-SLKDB4) (The dark man in the red coat is Death. I like this Death very much.)

A promotional version of Wenn ich tanzen will in the German production, with a rather different choreography, and Pia Douwes and Uwe Kröger as Elisabeth and Death: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9xgR_X73ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9xgR_X73ws)

I hope it's okay to post these links. If it's not, let me know and I'll remove them. And I'm not in any way connected to the musical and advertising it, I just like it a lot and think that more people should know it and it could be interesting for members of this forum as it's a very good adaptation of Elisabeth's life.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 01, 2008, 06:17:51 AM
My favorite song has to be 'Ich gehör nur mir' and I really am curious to see what the Belgian version will be like, what I also liked about the Dutch musical is that they kept the 'original' Elisabeth, since Pia played Elisabeth several times and is about to play her again.

And the reason why I would want it to be adapted into a movie is because movie simply has a bigger audience, and it worked for the 'Phantom of the Opera', and I just wonder how they would work on 'Elisabeth'
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2008, 01:01:36 PM
Thanks for the links ! I would look into the productions and buy whatever I can get my hands on in Europe...

I agree, a movie of her life would work...even in a musical. Too bad nothing in English. Sisi herself spoke English perfectly and used it as asecret language with Nene. It also came to be useful during her wandering years in England and Ireland.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 01, 2008, 05:19:05 PM
Yes, I watched the Musical once again today, I just love it.

Can't wait for the Belgian version, and I hope these movies will become reality someday soon.

Anyway can anyone tell me how Mayerling(1968) actually was since there isn't a DVD, and if possible, provide me with some screencaps(of Ava as the Empress)?

There also is an English version of 'Ich Gehör Nu Mir' called 'I Belong To Me' sung by Pia Douwes, it is a beautiful song, and I don't care in what language it is sung.
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Post by: Valancy on November 02, 2008, 04:59:43 AM
I don't think that Pia is about to play Elisabeth again in any near future, unless there's something I haven't heard. She just did in the Berlin part of the German tour, but she left that production in the summer and I haven't heard of her getting back to it. While she is a fantastic actress, I don't really think she needs to play the role forever, there are also many others who can be good, and are. However, she was amazing in the Dutch production and she and Stanley are one of my favourite Sisi/Death pairings.

There have been a few songs from the musical translated into English, though the translations are of varying quality. It'd be interesting if the whole musical was done in English some time, but I guess there is not so much interest in Elisabeth in the English-speaking world. And the librettist has had some bad experiences about English-language productions of his musicals, so he may be reserved about doing it, but perhaps it's about to change as their new musical "Rebecca" is going on Broadway.

I have trouble seeing the musical work on film because it's so theatrical and in some ways abstract. It's just not film material, not even as much as Phantom (which is also rather theatrical). But certainly if there was someone who could make the whole fantasy part of it (Death etc.) work, I would be interested to see the result. As long as they made sure to cast a real musical actress in the lead role, because I doubt any Hollywood starlets can sing Elisabeth's part well enough - it's tremendously difficult to sing.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 02, 2008, 05:34:14 AM
True, it is hard to sing,

but Death could be done with some kind of 'glow', indicating he is Death, and I think it might work but that a few changes would be needed.

I've just heared Maike Boerdam is hoping to play the role in the Belgian production, I can't wait to see it ;D

I jsut  am curious on how it will look, and i just love the music
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Post by: Silja on November 02, 2008, 10:13:47 AM
And I know I'm going of-topic here but is it true there is a musical based on the life of Marie Antoinette? It should be playing in Germany if I'm right.

Yes, the musical Marie Antoinette by Kunze/Levay will have its premiere in Bremen in January 2009


http://www.ma-bremen.de/cgi-bin/oe2edit.cgi

I really want to see it as I love Elisabeth . But I wouldn't want to see the musical ever be turned into a film. I simply think musicals belong on stage and not on the screen. To me it simply doesn't work. Although I love Phantom of the Opera and Evita I was not at all impressed with the film versions, especially with Phantom , which I thought pretty awful.

But it's indeed high time there was an accurate film about the Empress Elisabeth.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2008, 10:19:10 AM
I would love to see either the film or musical done. I guess if they could do Evita into a Rock Opera. Sisi should not be so hard to do. I agree with the interest bit.

Ava was great in Mayerling. Some of her dialogue came from Sisi herself ! She called Stephaine "That tiresome lout of a girl" was wholly accurate.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 02, 2008, 10:24:07 AM
Yea,

On-stage productions are always better, that is proven...

And I hope the Marie Antoinette-musical will come to the Netherlands, or Belgium, since I love those kind of musicals :)
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Post by: Janet Ashton on November 03, 2008, 07:25:13 AM
I don't remember the exact sources from which I heard about the new movie plans (only plans, it's not in production or anything yet). But it was from Austrian people, apparently Vienna has been full of these rumours, and someone who should know (I don't remember who) had said in a public event that it indeed is being planned. I also read about it in some Austrian newspaper. If I come across quotable sources again, I'll let you know.

Catherine is a good actress, but she's just not physically the Sisi type at all. Just because they're both beautiful and dark-haired doesn't mean that they're alike. And I don't think Catherine would work as the middle-aged Elisabeth simply because she is too healthy. She has a normal-sized feminine figure, at least the last time I saw something with her in it, and the way Sisi worked out and near starved herself in order to keep excessively slim wouldn't be able to come out.


I also read about this planned film - in an Associated Press report, in January 2008. I still have the URL in my email archives, as I sent it to a friend at the time, but the report itself has gone.

I would actually like to see such a film, because although I have no expectations of it being much good, it would give a boost to books about that period of history and about the Habsburgs and their empire in the English-speaking world. There has always been some level of interest because of Mayerling and so on, but nothing on a par with the last Romanovs, for example.
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Post by: Valancy on November 03, 2008, 01:01:43 PM

I also read about this planned film - in an Associated Press report, in January 2008. I still have the URL in my email archives, as I sent it to a friend at the time, but the report itself has gone.

I would actually like to see such a film, because although I have no expectations of it being much good, it would give a boost to books about that period of history and about the Habsburgs and their empire in the English-speaking world. There has always been some level of interest because of Mayerling and so on, but nothing on a par with the last Romanovs, for example.

That is a good point. I'm mostly just rather skeptical about the quality of the film and am not looking forward to seeing lots of fangirls pop up who think they're into Elisabeth and don't really know much about the truth. But if it results in an increased availability of books, that isn't a bad thing...

I don't really see the Elisabeth musical working on film, no matter what. There is quite a difference between theatre and film as media, even if they may seem deceptively similar on surface. Often what works in theatre doesn't work in film, and Elisabeth seems to me to be a very theatrical musical. I really have trouble coming up with a musical that would be less suited for film. Though probably there are some. Anybody who ever gets a chance to see that musical in theatre should do it, though. It really is a great adaptation of Sisi's life and simply a great musical. The Vienna DVD can also be purchased from some online stores, though the DVD itself doesn't have English subtitles.

And oh yes, that Marie Antoinette musical interests me as well. There are some sound clips from songs in the Bremen production to be found on this website: http://www.dramamusicals.de/news/news.php?id=37 (http://www.dramamusicals.de/news/news.php?id=37) (Click on links that start with "Ausschnitt", the others are interviews.)

By the way, if anybody is curious about the Hungarian production of the Elisabeth musical, here are a few clips. I think the actors are amazing and the production is very interestingly done.

Ich gehör nur mir (Elisabeth: Kata Janza) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k0gKZOO7dw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k0gKZOO7dw)

The finale of the first act (I only could find a video that also includes the previous song, the song of the ladies-in-waiting and servants about Elisabeth's beauty cares. If you want to skip it, Franz-Joseph's part starts at a little before 2 minutes) (Franz-Joseph: Zoltán Bereczki, Elisabeth: Kata Janza, Death: Szilveszter Szabó) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgeADPrZsuY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgeADPrZsuY)

Die Schatten werden länger (Death: Szilveszter Szabó, Rudolf: Attila Dolhai) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Moi_i9MV7Bc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Moi_i9MV7Bc)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 03, 2008, 01:49:38 PM
Yes, movies often ar inacurate but, these days, movies are one of the few froms of art that really brings history to the audience and if it sparks a little bit of interest they have served some purpose, look wat the 'Other Boleyn Girl' and the 2 movies on Elizabeth I(Elizabeth and Elizabeth, The Golden Age) did for the Tudor-history, people are interesed again and I believe 'The Kitchenboy will do that for Romanov-History, and especialy the history of Nicky, Alix and the children. And it could also work for Empress Elisabeth, and get the image of a fairytale out of the air.

Also I was thinking last night about a title and i think 'The Lonely Empress' could work,
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2008, 02:31:14 PM
After Joan Halslip's bio I think. I like "the Reluctant Empress" better...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 06, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
Of course, isn't that the person who wrote the bio on the Empress, comparising her with Princess Diana? I forget about that one:p

And you're right, that would sound better because after all she was lonely, but most of all she was a reluctant Empress.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2008, 03:49:33 PM
Indeed...Sisi fell for the handsome Franz, who was dashing and romantic. She once said" if only he wasn't the emperor." I guess FJ treasured  his wife because he knew she loved him and not the title or position.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 06, 2008, 04:04:44 PM
Indeed, I do believe myself she loved him her whole life, as did he, but that she just had a hard time showing it, under all the presure for an heir and the eyes of the court staring at them. The letters they echanged during their marriage, when she was traveling, show a loving and caring couple, maybe it became a more platonic relationship, but it was love. No doubt about it.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2008, 04:06:39 PM
Sisi had a knack of escaping to a dream world when reality became too ugly.
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Post by: Valancy on November 07, 2008, 03:45:53 AM
Of course, isn't that the person who wrote the bio on the Empress, comparising her with Princess Diana? I forget about that one:p

I don't know if your question referred to Haslip's "Lonely Empress" or Hamann's "Reluctant Empress" but in any case, neither of them did that. The one book I've come across (not read) which makes much of the supposed similarities with Diana, is Andrew Sinclair's "Death By Fame". Haven't heard much good about that one. In any case, the idea seems to be surprisingly popular because I've come across enough people commenting that Sisi was the "Princess Diana of her time" that I think I will scream the next time someone writes that. Seriously. Just because both had unhappy marriages and eating disorders and died an unnatural death doesn't make them alike.

Hamann's biography is the best source on Elisabeth, I think, but Haslip's is also quite good. I'm just a bit annoyed by the fact that she doesn't use footnotes (so I can't check where her information comes from), and she lets her imagination run away with itself too much when it comes to the rumours of Elisabeth's supposed romances. But otherwise Haslip's book is a good source on her if one can't find Hamann or just wants another view, too.

I think that the title of the Hollywood movie was supposed to be "Majesty". I don't like that. But I hope that if the movie is made, it will be better than I expect. I would see it anyway, just to see how it is, but if there are lots of inaccuracies and it doesn't get what it could out of Elisabeth's story, I'll be annoyed.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 07, 2008, 10:00:49 AM
Ohh, well I gotta check the library then(they have the book); and indeed Elisabeth often is described as the Princess Diana of her time, also when the musical released in the Netherlands that were the comments from the papers, and there is a title... Seems like the movie could become reality, I just hope it won't be that inaccurate as Sissi L'Imperatrice Rebelle was. We need a good depiction on the Empress' life.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2008, 02:15:20 PM
Yes. I even saw a German magazine use both women on the cover in one issue ! However I think Sisi was luckier than Diana, as Franz Josef (in his own way) really loved her. Sisi also had a strong family support in her mutti (Ludovika), her sisters (Nene (Helene), Marie, Spatz (Mathilde) and Sophie) and brothers (Karl Theodore and Max Emmanuel).
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Post by: Princess Susan on November 08, 2008, 03:31:22 AM
Yes, I think so. Diana had less luck...I do not think that their destinies were so close.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2008, 10:59:12 AM
Indeed...Sisi had much more, but she did not treasure what she had, but lament for what she had lost...
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Post by: Silja on November 09, 2008, 01:24:38 PM

 She called Stephaine "That tiresome lout of a girl" was wholly accurate.

In her poems she called her "Bactrian camel" and "a toad, yellow and thick". Her designation for Marie Feodorovna was "the little she-ape" . . .  I wonder what she thought of Alix and Nicky. Unfortunately by the time they met Elisabeth had stopped writing her diary.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 09, 2008, 02:41:24 PM
True...But she did admire the beauty of the Princess of Wales (Alix of Denmark), and claim only they knew how to dress...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 28, 2008, 08:37:50 AM
I got my tickets for 'Elisabeth' ;D Can't wait to see the Flemish version. It will star Ann Van Den Broeck as Empress Elisabeth, Jan Schepens as Luigi Lucheni and Anne Mie Gils as Archduches Sophie. Three of the best Flemish musical-stars.

Here is the commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJigFY8mD4

Also I found a torrent for Mayerling(1936), a true Classic - sad the quality of the sound could be better, but it is ok. It stars Gabrielle Dorziat as Empress Elisabeth.

Here is the torrent: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4525562/Mayerling_(1936)_Anatole_Litvak__French_english_Hardsubs.avi

Also there seems to be a musical based on the life of Rudolf, Elisabeth does not seem to be a character in it but the mus is great, and from what I've heard it tells a good story about a fading empire, a prince born in the wrong time and his tragic love.

Torrent : http://www.mininova.org/tor/829215 - It is in hungarian, without subtitles(sad because I don't understand a word)

A Few Songs:

I was born for you(hungarian): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UTSqtdraMA

Only Love(hungarian): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWzmkmx28OU&feature=related - this song is also used in 'The Scarled Pimpernel'

The Steps of Tomorrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF-PeQFJ75k&feature=related

I was born for you(english): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9X2Fs5VAnc
I am still downloading so can't give my opinion on it, the same goes for Mayerling(1936). Rudolf is premiering in Germany this year.

Also I am downloading the Russian dvd of "Sissi, L'Imperatrice Rebelle" which has the dubbed version I showed earlier, russian subtitles and possibly also the original French audio-track. I'll inform you later on this.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2008, 11:26:14 AM
Thanksagain for the links and the updates.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 08, 2009, 03:00:02 PM
Welcome. I watched Mayerling(1936) last week, next weekend the remake with Ava Gardner is on.

I've got a few pictures here, the classic is a great movie, the acting and directing are really good, a beautiful movie.

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling.jpg)
Opening Title

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling1.jpg)
Charles Boyer as Archduke Rudolf

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling2.jpg)
Danielle Darrieux as Baroness Mary Vetsera

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling4.jpg)
Charles Boyer and Danielle Darrieux as Rudolf and Mary

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling3.jpg)
Gabrielle Dorziat as Empress Elisabeth
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Post by: Rani on January 08, 2009, 03:07:10 PM
Welcome. I watched Mayerling(1936) last week, next weekend the remake with Ava Gardner is on.

I've got a few pictures here, the classic is a great movie, the acting and directing are really good, a beautiful movie.

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling.jpg)
Opening Title

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling1.jpg)
Charles Boyer as Archduke Rudolf

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling2.jpg)
Danielle Darrieux as Baroness Mary Vetsera

Thank you! I love Danielle Darrieux!

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling4.jpg)
Charles Boyer and Danielle Darrieux as Rudolf and Mary

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mayerling3.jpg)
Gabrielle Dorziat as Empress Elisabeth


Why are all Marys in the movies pretty?  Mary was not beautiful.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 08, 2009, 03:11:14 PM
Don't know:p

Yet she is not blonde but dark-haired, like the real Mary.

Guess they always use blonde actresses because 'young, blonde, beautiful' is the stereotype or something.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 08, 2009, 04:28:06 PM
The actress really looked like Mary Vetsera,but the actior who played Rudolf.... am.. not so much
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 08, 2009, 04:29:18 PM
True, she was the only actress who had the right looks. All the other Mary's I saw were blonde....
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2009, 08:03:24 AM
The great Catherine Deneuve ! That Elizabeth looked old & ugly. I like Ava Gardner more. She was more of a fading beauty than that old hag.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 09, 2009, 11:54:13 AM
That was what i was going to say... the actress which played Sissi is ugly and old ...Elisabeth was beautiful even when she was old... i really like her in her last picture when it was taken of her... Franz and her walks and she with umbrella...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 09, 2009, 01:51:48 PM
Indeed, I agree. She does not look like the Empress at all. In my opinion Romy was the most radiant actress to play her, never saw a better preformance, when it comes to a musical, If i'd need to pick a musical-star I'd pick Pia Douwes.

I also posted pictures of her and that is not the last known picture of her, I believe I posted those in the thread about pictures of her.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 09, 2009, 02:48:12 PM
I always knew this is the last picture of Sissi... I'm speaking for this:
(http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0901/e7/dd581b381ff8t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s39.radikal.ru/i083/0901/e7/dd581b381ff8.jpg.html)

But i have it from fotamota.ru .... Not from the forum...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 09, 2009, 02:58:09 PM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Royal/Scannen0001.jpg)
The last known picture of the Empress in Territet, together with Countess Irma Sztaray

Got this from the book 'Elisabeth' by Martin Ros.

But would you all like it if I'd post some pictures of Elisabeth in the movies, so we can compare:p Aldo no one gets closer than Romy in looks - in my opinion
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 09, 2009, 03:02:46 PM
Hm i don't know why i thought that one was the last probably because of the clothes they look very similiar if you look closer....
Romy for me is the one who gets so close to the look of the Empress.... But why one user here said that Helene had beautiful soul for difference then Sissi?
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Post by: Princess Susan on January 10, 2009, 08:50:49 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/MayaAndAndr.jpg)

Maya Hakvoort and Andre Bauer as Empress Elisabeth and Emperor Franz Joseph from musical "Elisabeth" 2005.

Few songs by them from YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-7mvxxNkY&feature=PlayList&p=841CE3B5C27E0ECD&playnext=1&index=13   
Elisabeth 2005 Wien /Nichts ist schwer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbx8aEyuBUY  - Ich will dir nur sagen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTH-PepCMgo  -Elisabeth 2005 Wien /Alle Fragen Sind Gestellt- their wedding

This version of the musical with Maya and Andre is my favorite.



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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2009, 11:35:10 AM
Would so love to see it.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 10, 2009, 11:41:21 AM
Pity i don't understand good german :(
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
Well...music is a universal language like seeing opera.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 10, 2009, 11:59:15 AM
Yes i know why they made it  on German..
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2009, 01:28:16 PM
Sisi was born German. Her cousin Ludwig was crazy about Wagner, a classic composer.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 11, 2009, 03:33:10 AM
Yes that detail that she was born in Germany i knew it when i start reading about her :)
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Post by: Gabriella on January 11, 2009, 04:50:53 AM
That was what i was going to say... the actress which played Sissi is ugly and old ...Elisabeth was beautiful even when she was old... i really like her in her last picture when it was taken of her... Franz and her walks and she with umbrella...

Unfortunately it's not known whether Sisi was beautiful even when she was old.

After she became 30 years old she refused to be photographed or painted for official purposes. In one biography about her I read she wanted to be remembered as beautiful as she was in her younger years.

When she was spotted by paparazzis on her walking tours or riding tours she hided her face behind huge fans or umbrellas like in those pictures:

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/sissi11.jpg)
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/sissi10.jpg)

Pictures like the shots with emporer Franz-Joseph or those last ones in Territet (Switzerland) that show her face are rare. From that last shots donein Territet I think she was not at least as beautiful as she was as in her twenties or thirties or as she was portrayed in later years. One had to consider that she suffered from anorexia since youth, did sports and athletics and undertook even in old age long walking tours.

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/sissi13.jpg)
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/territet.jpg)

There is a last official painting of her which was done by the austrian painter Armin Horowitz. It showed her in mourning clothes after the death of her son, but Sisi never posed for him as model. He had to study elder paintings of her and portray her after them. So whether she really was as beautiful as he painted her was left to him.

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/GemldebeiArminHorowitz.jpg)

After drawing comparisions with a photograph taken of her daughter Gisela at about the same age I think he did more than a good job.
It's my personal opinion that this last official painting did a lot that she is today regarded as a beautiful woman even in her fouties and fifties.

Regards, Gabriella
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 11, 2009, 05:18:57 AM
Thanks for the info...
What exactly age Sissi was murdered?
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Post by: Linnie on January 11, 2009, 10:17:10 AM
She was 60 years old. I have read in a few biographies that her face was wrinkled prematurely because she was doing lots of outdoors sports without protection. She liked to be tied to ships' masts during storms and walked long hours in all kind of weathers, which didn't help. Also, her strict dieting bordering on anorexia made her face and body swollen with edema, which she fought by... dieting even more fiercely. She wasn't the most reasonable women when it came to her health and looks.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 11, 2009, 10:21:57 AM
So we get to the point that in her last years she wasn't great beauty as she use to be...... I understand perfectly why she didn't want to take pictures of her ..... Really wanted people to remember her as the beautiful Empress Elisabeth
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 11, 2009, 11:05:12 AM
It is indeed true that her beauty faded in her later years, people say she had this elegance an such that made her remarkable even then but her beauty, was fading. We, ofcourse, will never know how she exactly looked in her later years, that is up for our imagination,
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2009, 02:32:23 PM
A little like Gisela I think. She would not have liked the comparison since she thought Gisela was quite ugly.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 11, 2009, 03:00:29 PM
I didn't knew Sissi thought her OWN daughter Gisela was ugly... lol something new for me
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2009, 05:29:46 PM
Sisi said of her granddaughter who was just born "She was strong and ugly, just like Gisela." It was usually taken that she resent being a grandmother too soon.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 12, 2009, 02:09:20 AM
 "She was strong and ugly, just like Gisela."

Who was strong and ugly like Gisela?
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Post by: Princess Susan on January 12, 2009, 02:44:47 AM
Propably she ment her first granddaughter Elisabeth- daughter of Gisela.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 12, 2009, 09:51:53 AM
yea, probably

Back to the topic:p

I made a little musicvideo to the Crown Prince - Son of Sisi, based on the life of her son Rudolf, Sisi is not a part of this video but I thought some of you might like it It centers around Rudolf and Mary's relationship, about how its doomed to end in tragedy. Their love was so pure that it killed them, or that's how the video portray's it.

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXfa1KzTfBg

In this minserie Sandra Ceccarelli plays the Empress Elisabeth, Sisi, of Austria-Hungary.

(http://ujember.katolikus.hu/Archivum/2006.06.25/1101.jpg)
Sandra Ceccarelli as Sisi and Klaus Maria Brandauer Emperor Franz Joseph
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 12, 2009, 01:19:53 PM
What a wonderful video :)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 12, 2009, 01:41:46 PM
Thank you
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 09:04:30 AM
Loved it ! Wonder if the min-series is out on DVD yet ?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 13, 2009, 10:11:16 AM
Here in Belgium it is. It is guite a big production, shot on location - as historic correct as possible, showing Rudolf as a troubled man. The Empress is shown as a restless woman who wants to care for her son, but is unable to show she does. The Emperor simply does not sees that Rudolf can do much good for the country and listens to Taaffe most of the time. Stephanie is  shown as a woman, eager for love - and power, caring about her husband, Mary Vetsera as Rudolf's true love, her mother as a scheming woman who wants to get in the higher circles no matter what - by forcing Mary into a marriage with Braganza.

Here in Belgium it is available, and probably in the US too.

Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Crown-Prince-Max-von-Thun/dp/B000V02CO6/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1231862944&sr=8-1

Really a wonderful epic, wonderfully filmed, beautiful soundtrack and a wonderful story, probably with some dramatisations.

I am working on a few video's to this series, so I'll post those too:p
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 02:30:44 PM
Great !I will definitely get it ! Thanks for telling us about it. Both Mary and Rudolf looked very good.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 13, 2009, 02:45:48 PM
Yes, it is my favorite depiction and they both looked like the real people - besides that the actress who played Mary was blonde, and the actor who played Rudolf was also - but the haircuts and such are historicly correct, it is my favorite depiction of the Mayerling-drama, besides Mayerling with Omar Sharif and Ava Gardner, which was really great as well...

I am working on a second video now, using Rudolf's story - he is a troubled man, in trouble with his father, in need of his mother.

Anyway glad you liked it, and that series is great to watch, only the music, clothing and decors make it wonderful.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 02:48:19 PM
I think Philip of Coburg is in the movie too...being the onewho first see them dead.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 13, 2009, 03:00:30 PM
Also Omar Sharif is in here, it is the second Miniseries I see him in:p

he plays Hans Canon, painter and friend of Rudolf.

I do not recall Philip of Coburg being in here but it is been quite some time since I saw it so I could be wrong, should re-watch it. It begins with Hoyos going to Sisi, to tell her abouth Rudolf's death, then we go on to Sisi going to Franz to tell him. Then the funeral, and then going back 10 years, so when Rudolf was 19/20 years old. Then we see the whole story until the suicide, and then you have a little epilogue telling that the war Rudolf feared would come in 1914. The first scenes are not historicly accurate, but they are filmed really wonderful, Sisi's been read too, and then just turns around with a shocked look in her eyes. Then we see her going to Franz devestated up to the funeral.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 03:38:37 PM
Yes...Omar is a regular in mini-series. He was Nicholas II in the Anna Anderson thing with Amy Irving.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 13, 2009, 03:47:32 PM
I know, I thought the IF was totally miscast. Not only them but most of the cast to be honest, they acted well ocourse but they didn't look like them. Anwyay this minserie is wonderful, it uses quotes  from Sisi herself, the same for Rudolf, Franz and Stephanie, and Mary too - so I've heard.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 04:10:11 PM
Finally at least an attempt to get it right. "The Tudors"  made me sometimes want to tear my hair out...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 13, 2009, 04:23:03 PM
True, they always turn history in something else. I quit with 'The Tudors' after a few episodes, yet the one with the execution of Anne Boleyn was pretty dramatic. For Tudor History I'd prefer the Classic Miniseries and 'Anne of a Thousand Days. I loved the Other Boleyn Girl, ordered the BBC-version lately, but once again to much speculation and such to make a good historic, correct, epic.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 14, 2009, 09:10:43 AM
Look at the song... For me that song describes Sissi perfectly.... And i love it by the way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qw2z4pCBwc&feature=channel_page
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 14, 2009, 09:51:43 AM
Indeed it does, as the titlesong from the musical does. "Ich Gehor Nu Mir", or "I Belong To Me" - there are different versions, is also perfect for her.  Also I have a tribute to her sung by Petra Berger. It is called "If I Had A Wish", she also wrote tributes to Mary, Queen of Scots and Marie Antoinette.

And I was wonderinf if it would be possible that a DVD-release for "Mayerling" - 1968, could be at hand since it was released in 1969 for the first time.

Also, is there news on the plans for Sisi-movies?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 14, 2009, 10:17:22 AM
Yes I would buy the DVD too...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 15, 2009, 09:58:44 AM
IrinaAlexandrovna, you told us about a classic movie based on Sisi's life. Lets discuss this...

I am so curious for the title, maybe you could check out IMDB?

I've only seen Mayerling, from the 1930's, featuring her - and subtitled.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 15, 2009, 10:10:27 AM
Well when you wrote Sissi in movies in the google there it must show .....
I continue looking because i saw the movie before year... and i haven't seen the title for so long...the "movie" is more setting then actiors and everything... First i found the picture in wikipedia and after this i saw the setting... The picture present Sissi dead and her lady of honour...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 15, 2009, 11:21:28 AM
Ahh, I'll look for it, though it can take ages - quite a few pages...

I am watching your video with parts from the movie,

I'll let you know what I think

PS. Glad you like my video on 'The Crown Prince' that much :)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 15, 2009, 12:11:49 PM
Ohh - Now I see, the song is from one of your favorite movies:p Thought you used clips from that movie.

Movies from 1920/140:

Kaiserin Elisabeth von Österreich (1921)
Das Schicksal derer von Habsburg (1928)
Elisabeth von Österreich (1931)
Valse royale (1935)
A Királyné huszárja (1935)
Königswalzer (1935)
Erzsébet királyné (1940)

Maybe this helps...
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 15, 2009, 12:29:01 PM
Das Schicksal derer von Habsburg the name of the movie
Ahh, I'll look for it, though it can take ages - quite a few pages...

I am watching your video with parts from the movie,

I'll let you know what I think

PS. Glad you like my video on 'The Crown Prince' that much :)


Which video?I used only the picture of her when she is dead... i tryed use the clips but YT deleted my video
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 15, 2009, 12:38:58 PM
Your last one

and ehm, this might help:

Add a disclaimer, helps always...

Do it for a little time now myself.

btw, is this from that movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVkMbqAmKNA

And now we all can look for the download you meant.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 15, 2009, 12:41:42 PM
Aaa yes

O i added but they are not reading the description.... they get the signal for the copyright and delete it...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 15, 2009, 01:06:16 PM
I only fin several parts, not the whole movie(sad)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 15, 2009, 01:27:14 PM
I see... :\
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 16, 2009, 01:04:55 PM
EEEKS - oops -

I found a very rare movie, Sisi und der Kaiserkuß, on the Austrian Ebay, in fact i've heard this movie is one of the best on Sisi. But it was not liked by the big public because it ruined the sweet image the Sissi-movies gave her.

link: http://cgi.ebay.at/SISI-UND-DER-KAISERKU%DF-DVD-VANESSA-WAGNER-POIRET-WALTER_W0QQitemZ330300574790QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090114?IMSfp=TL090114129001r303

I do not understand German, but still I am trying to get on there:p - Even if the movie is in german, it must be really good and I just wanna see it :D

Still no news on Das Schicksal derer von Habsburg.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Princess Susan on January 16, 2009, 04:14:29 PM
If I am not mistaken, I have seen that movie 8 or 9 years ago... Hmm and to be honest, it didn't seem me very good and real.
But maybe I am not right and confusing it with another film. :-\

Have you somewhere read or heard that this movie is one of the best about Sisi, Imperial Grounds?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 17, 2009, 08:14:07 AM
I did, on Wikipedia. Actualy it said that it was one of the more realistic depictons of her life, not that it was the best. Just curious to see it:p
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 17, 2009, 10:06:59 AM
I wonder is it true the information in Wiki about Sissi?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 17, 2009, 10:08:18 AM
It is correct yes, for as far as I know. But I've not seen anything that is not true so ;)

But ofcourse it is Wiki after all, and their info isn't always true.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 17, 2009, 02:08:05 PM
I see because in google it was wrote that she got "affairs" but she actually according to what i know she had flirtations...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 17, 2009, 02:18:47 PM
She had no affairs.  Not at all, for as far as we know. She flirted but never went further.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 17, 2009, 02:35:49 PM
Indeed what i meant
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 04:51:38 PM
But how do you know if the flirtation went no further ? There was even evidence that Sisi might had an affair with Andrassy...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 18, 2009, 04:54:05 PM
Because according to the books Sissi was a woman of honour... She knew in my opinion her limits...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 04:57:28 PM
Well...not back by evidence. However Sisi did worked with Andrassy in the Hungary project and when he started to move away from her obit, Sisi seemed to be heartbroken.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 18, 2009, 04:58:34 PM
Really?
I didn't know that....
Why he moved back? Because she was married and queen?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 05:05:56 PM
Indeed. It wasin one of the bios of Sisi...

No sweat. All of Sisi's sisters did have affairs and even children out of wedlock (Maria Sofia & Mathilde). Nene had a close affair with a priest...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 18, 2009, 05:20:42 PM
It was modern for the time....
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 05:23:33 PM
Very much. I think the Catholic royals were much more naughty than Protestant ones.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 18, 2009, 10:32:24 PM
xaxaxa "naughty" when i was little that word described me... So there is nothing new because when i see Henry what did.... How many mistresses he had and wives.... he really wasn't man of "honour"
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 19, 2009, 12:55:44 AM
I believe she loved Andrasy, that she at one point was in love with him, but not that there was an affair. She did not like sex and, for whole her life, seemed to hate it and went no further than flirting. So as long as there is no concrete evidence of her having an affair I will not believe she had any. But that does not mean she was in love with other men than Franz-Joseph, since she was.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 02:07:30 AM
Axaxax well she had 4 kids  but she hate making sex... Which is very strange... but she had to give son to Franz so i understand her.... I didn't know she hated it.....
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 08:21:49 AM
Well...we will never know how far Sisi went with Andrassy (he was no courtier in platonic love that is for sure). I agree she did not like sex, but that only because Franz Josef have conteminated her with a kind of VD. Although she got cured, it left her was a nasty after taste. She did it again for Hungary (Valarie was called "the child of Hungary"). Many tongues wagged that it could be Andrassy and Sisi's love child. Fortunately Valerie grew up to be more like her father (Franz Josef) than Sisi. However that did not stop the rumours about her supposed affairs. The actions of her sisters added fuel to the fire.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 19, 2009, 11:34:58 AM
True,

on IrinaAlexandrovna's request I made a torrent for "The Crown Prince - Son of Sisi", thought you all might like it.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4658199/The_Crown_Prince

Enjoy
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 12:37:37 PM
Thanks ! That very interesting. Like it.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 01:20:24 PM
Well...we will never know how far Sisi went with Andrassy (he was no courtier in platonic love that is for sure). I agree she did not like sex, but that only because Franz Josef have conteminated her with a kind of VD. Although she got cured, it left her was a nasty after taste. She did it again for Hungary (Valarie was called "the child of Hungary"). Many tongues wagged that it could be Andrassy and Sisi's love child. Fortunately Valerie grew up to be more like her father (Franz Josef) than Sisi. However that did not stop the rumours about her supposed affairs. The actions of her sisters added fuel to the fire.

Thank you very much.. It's interesting fact
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 01:25:20 PM
You are welcome.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 19, 2009, 07:30:42 PM
Is the Sissi collection movies any good? because I'm thinking about getting it.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 20, 2009, 12:16:28 AM
It is wonderful, and Romy is lovely, but highly romanticized. It also has quite a few historical errors.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 01:59:32 AM
I'm searching for the movie for ages but people which download it use it only for videos... they don't watch it becauce it's on German....

P:S I have good New The Crown Prince is downloading *sun* Again Thank you soooo much  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 20, 2009, 09:41:03 AM
Good, and if it pleases you I will upload the Sissi-movies with English subtitles, as Ludwig II where Romy portrays a more mature Empress. But please do give me some time :) Also I found "Mayerling" with Ava Gardner as the Empress, in DVD-quality so, I will try and put this into a torrent too.

And as for the musical "Elisabeth": A friend of mine is creating English subtitles and in time I will try and turn it into a torrent, the same goes for the dutch version of the musical(so you can see the differences)

I will also see if I can put "Sophie - Sissi's Kleine Schwester" into a torrent, with English subtitles :)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Princess Susan on January 20, 2009, 10:43:09 AM
Some picture from musical Elisabeth (Vienna 2005):

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/musical3.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/musical2.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/ElisabethMusical.jpg)

Maya Hakvoort (Elisabeth)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Andr.jpg)

André Bauer (Franz Joseph) and Fritz Schmid (Rudolf)

And some songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHxz6VM2y8o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36llv3x3Eoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpC0lTB-ZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud5x3yv-5C0
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 11:53:00 AM
Good, and if it pleases you I will upload the Sissi-movies with English subtitles, as Ludwig II where Romy portrays a more mature Empress. But please do give me some time :) Also I found "Mayerling" with Ava Gardner as the Empress, in DVD-quality so, I will try and put this into a torrent too.

And as for the musical "Elisabeth": A friend of mine is creating English subtitles and in time I will try and turn it into a torrent, the same goes for the dutch version of the musical(so you can see the differences)

I will also see if I can put "Sophie - Sissi's Kleine Schwester" into a torrent, with English subtitles :)


Thank you very  very much (sun)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 20, 2009, 12:17:10 PM
Thanks ! Will look forward to it !
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 20, 2009, 12:27:55 PM
Then I will work on it :)

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 20, 2009, 01:25:30 PM
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 01:28:00 PM
So Imperial_Grounds or Eric did you find that movie which i was talking about few pages ago...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 20, 2009, 01:34:35 PM
The silent one...? Yes.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 20, 2009, 01:42:51 PM
You did? O My God....

The Whole thing?

Could you provide us with a link,

but ehm...

I thought, IrinaAlexandrovna said it was spoken?

Anyway, I'm curious to see it.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 20, 2009, 01:48:18 PM
Lets check again.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 20, 2009, 02:01:11 PM
Lets check again.

Okay,

but did you mean the movie, if it is Silent or not, or on the linke?

 :-[
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 02:04:43 PM
I think we are speaking about other movies... The one i'm speaking is with voice and it's taken around 1932.... B&W and it's before the one with Romy...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 20, 2009, 02:08:03 PM
I think we are speaking about other movies... The one i'm speaking is with voice and it's taken around 1932.... B&W and it's before the one with Romy...

Ofcourse, the first movie with Romy was from 1955, while Das Schicksal derer von Habsburg, the one you thought it was, was from 1922. If it is from the early 30's you probably meant Elisabeth von Österreich.

Anyway, I'll keep looking on both of them, and Eric I'm still curious to see it ;)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 02:10:25 PM
Yes somewhere the end of 20 and begining of 30 i'm not curtant sure is it 1922 or 32.... I will lie you....
Please if somebody find it to post it because i'm searching for it for couple of days but all links are broken.....

Eric i'm more then curious  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 20, 2009, 02:14:13 PM
Please if somebody find it to post it because i'm searching for it for couple of days but all links are broken.....

Then you've got more luck than me:p So far I only find little parts from it, and all the same ones.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 02:24:32 PM
Ah maybe i'm annoying but i have one qustion... Why the Crown Prince is on 7% i'm downloading it for whole day.....
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 20, 2009, 02:26:38 PM
I have no Idea, yet I have to admit that my internet aint that fast lately(I am downloading the famous 'Kon Bely'y' series on the Civil War - only 2.9 for disc 1 in a week). My internet should fasten up beginning next month, but I would say: keep downloading. Even if it's slow. Sorry for the trouble you're having.

Edit: It should take a week or something if I'm correct.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 02:34:55 PM
I will continue.... But i got problems with my hardware ... the disck.... Yesterday i couldn't start my computer... I was showing "Error in disc boot,press ctrl+alt+delete to restart" i did this 200 times and nothing.... somehow  my father started it....
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 20, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
I would go crazy...

Ehm, Eric?

Don't wanna put pressure on you or something but I'm just curious :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Sorry for blabbing so much about that movie:p
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 03:05:47 PM
I went crazy... just imagine how my all information all pictures are not where they stay.....

I think Eric is offline..... But i'm sure he will tell us the name *nod*
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on January 21, 2009, 09:57:20 AM
Hello I found the entire Sissi Trilogy posted on Youtube in German, no subtitles:

"Sissi, Der Film"
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBMUejfr7Pg&feature=related
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=673l5nJrRMQ&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-g_HRr5K58&feature=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4krTEMavopQ&feature=related
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u0CE6TNhx0&feature=related
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R9uK3IfpcU&feature=related
Part 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UjysHs8P54&feature=related
Part 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q6__qGxz9o&feature=related
Part 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt-W2mgTDz8&feature=related
Part 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7lZY8QQM8I&feature=related

"Sissi, Die Junge Kaiserin"
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAeiGJRQvXM&feature=related
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28mXQAmLPqE&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba0DUkFFuDo&feature=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZSBkOOn2l8&feature=related
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plyo2w3JQkE&feature=related
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EU_i0WLxVw&feature=related
Part 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci0kWBhaTio&feature=related
Part 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0g2Jc8uaoc&feature=related
Part 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gxsZMEUu5M&feature=related
Part 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZFT78RTU5w&feature=related

"Sissi, Schicksalsjahre Einer Kaiserin"
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E8vmOeGocs&feature=related
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwDqsltScq8&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwWnp-BQ3q8&feature=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7kidfAmXV4&feature=related
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AlMKVrnQBs&feature=related
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kni5DRha8w&feature=related
Part 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYXBghr2jg8&feature=related
Part 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJueMfUdCxI&feature=related
Part 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIENE3nguCI&feature=related
Part 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7nfy8nD2z4&feature=related
Part 11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp44jEV3nK0&feature=related

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 10:30:03 AM
Wow ! That's impressive.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on January 21, 2009, 10:48:30 AM
I know, I never expected to find all the movies on the internet.  I had never seen the movies before and after I watched all the movies I didn't really like them, they were more personal than I expected, way too personal for me.  I expected they would be more political/historically significant and deal with the complex royal and political issues of the time but it in the end they seemed to be more about their personal life, which to say is not in any way bad, but not what I expected.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 10:58:32 AM
Hello I found the entire Sissi Trilogy posted on Youtube in German, no subtitles:

Thanks a pity that i don't understand pretty well German....   >:(
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 21, 2009, 11:08:24 AM
Don't worry ;) I'll work on them.

Eric: Sorry to bother you, but did you found the bw-one?  :-[
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:27:05 PM
Yes...I will try to locate it again and sent the link to you.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 21, 2009, 12:28:29 PM
Yes...I will try to locate it again and sent the link to you.
Thank you.

I'm just sugesting but maybe it is in your history?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:29:54 PM
Thanks for the helpful tip...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 12:38:09 PM
What's the name of the movie :)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:39:22 PM
Will check.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 21, 2009, 12:40:18 PM
Thanks(we both were practicly dying because we're curious:p
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:41:06 PM
OK Ok...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 12:50:21 PM
I agree with Imperial_Grounds :D It's just my native...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:52:06 PM
Agreed...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 21, 2009, 12:52:42 PM
I agree with Imperial_Grounds :D It's just my native...

Same here :D

Will wait for more news...

PS. IrinaAlexandrovna, could PM this, but how is "The Crown Prince" downloading?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 01:11:32 PM
Entire 8% :D .... It's soooo "fast"
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 02:45:01 PM
Waiting for that too...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
Waiting for that too...

Is it slow with you too?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 21, 2009, 02:58:13 PM
Probably, but at the moment is so damn slow(sorry, people) - Don't know what's wrong with it.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
No downloaders...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 21, 2009, 03:25:29 PM
I am seeding all day. I know for a fact that in a week or 2 my internet-speed will be improved so, by then it should go better
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
Thanks anyway for upload....
Little Off Topic:
I'm not very Proud with it..... But not bad....
(http://s42.radikal.ru/i096/0901/e7/7e45347c625et.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s42.radikal.ru/i096/0901/e7/7e45347c625e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on January 21, 2009, 04:49:08 PM
For many people, me included, Romy Schneider will always be Sissi. And though the movies from the 50's more gave a picture of the ideal woman, rather than a true image of the empress, I enjoy watching them from time to time. And besides the movies historical unaccurancies, I think Romy was a very good choice to leading role.

But I would like to see a more correct version of the tragic empress on the silver screen, and if it were to be made today, who do you think would be perfect for the role as Sissi? Currently, I can't think of anyone who could play her, but let me hear some bids. :-*

Interesting topic!  :)
I'm agree with you, for me Romy Schneider will always be Sissi.
But if a new version of Sissi's movie were to be made today, I think that KEIRA KNIGHTLEY would be perfect for the role as Sissi.

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg165/pierlucountry/Keira-Knightley-6.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 04:58:56 PM
Mmm no i have seen Keira in many other movies ... Like in Pride&Prejudice... To me she won't look like Sissi because she had typical Bristish akcent and she don't speak German.... :)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on January 21, 2009, 05:06:40 PM
Yes, you are right, I had not thought about this "small detail."  :)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2009, 08:17:20 AM
Yes...although the "real" Sisi knew English and spoke it very well.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 22, 2009, 08:36:35 AM
But i guess not with the typical for the England people British akcent... ;)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 22, 2009, 09:16:38 AM
Indeed, it has been rumoured that Kiara will play Princess Diana, but there is no news on this. I think, with the right make-up and everything, she could portray her. But for now Genevieve O'Reilly is the best actress, as Diana, because she had the looks and really looked like her, and acted. Like Romy is the best portrayer of Sisi(in both the trilogy and Ludwig II)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: aor on January 22, 2009, 12:36:50 PM
How about Sarah Biasini as the young empress Elisabeth? I think she has some of the same qualities her mother had.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 22, 2009, 12:56:42 PM
Possible... But for me the woman was Romy who looked almost exactly as Sissi....
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 22, 2009, 01:02:43 PM
Possible... But for me the woman was Romy who looked almost exactly as Sissi....

I agree, and their lives wer just as tragic...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2009, 03:04:55 PM
A sad parallel
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 22, 2009, 03:15:29 PM
Agree. Recently read a book on Romy. But ehm Eric, sorry to bother you but did you found the link again?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 23, 2009, 09:27:31 AM
Still searching...
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 23, 2009, 11:46:26 AM
I think we can wait...Right Imperial_Grounds?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 23, 2009, 03:37:21 PM
Ofcourse we can. We aint gonna die from waiting.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 24, 2009, 03:40:57 AM
Well if he don't say it for one more week i will die from waiting :D
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 24, 2009, 09:10:06 AM
The Crown Prince trailer... My favourite i totally love it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKcobKIwyT8&feature=related
My downloading is 19% now
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 24, 2009, 09:33:37 AM
That trailer is part of the actual series, I believe it's the intro to the first part. As I said this series is beautifully filmed, has a great soundtrack and uses several historical facts, as it does rumours(like the one that Rudolf had an affair with Mary's mother: Helene Vetsera), and Sisis is portrayed in a really good way, like Romy in Luwig we see the "real" Sisi.

This has to be my favorite on the Mayerling-drama, though I love both Mayerling-movies. The 1936-one because it shows the passion from Rudolf and Mary's relationship, and has some nice shots, and the 1968-one because of it's amazing shots, great soundtrack and good preformance's. I loved Ava in here, though she is not thin enaugh to play Sisi, but she does a great job - like everyone else.

And on to something else, I know this film does not portray Sisi but is based loosely on both the Mayerling-drama and the assassinations of Archduke Franz-Ferdinand and his wife, thus I thought I could post my question  here, and now I wonder if "The Illusionist" is a good movie, though not based on history, and if it shows some of the theory's made up after the Mayerling-event.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2009, 07:12:39 PM
I did not see the illusionlist...did it involve the Mayerling drama ?
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Post by: Princess Susan on January 25, 2009, 04:00:17 AM
No, I don't think so... "The Illusionist" has barely something common with real mayerling's drama. Although the story is situated in Vienna of 19th. century and says also about Crownprince Leopold (not Rudolf) and his fiancee, but whole film is only fiction, nothing more.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 25, 2009, 06:46:34 AM
I did not see the illusionlist...did it involve the Mayerling drama ?

I don't know but I've read that it is based, partly, on the event.

Wikipedia also lists it as a film based on the event.

Wikipedia
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The Mayerling affair has been dramatized in:

    * the movie Mayerling (1936), directed by Anatole Litvak starring Danielle Darrieux as Mary and Charles Boyer as Rudolph
    * the movie De Mayerling à Sarajevo (1940), directed by Max Ophüls
    * the musical Marinka (1945), book by George Marion, Jr., and Karl Farkas, lyrics by George Marion, Jr., music by Emmerich Kalman
    * the movie Le Secret de Mayerling (1949), directed by Jean Delannoy
    * Mayerling, a 1957 American television production (released theatrically in Europe) directed by Anatole Litvak starring Audrey Hepburn as Mary and Mel Ferrer as Rudolph
    * the movie Mayerling (1968), directed by Terence Young, starring Omar Sharif, Catherine Deneuve, James Mason, and Ava Gardner.
    * the series Fall of Eagles (1974), in the episode Requiem For A Crown Prince
    * the film Vizi privati, pubbliche virtù (1975), directed by Miklós Jancsó.
    * Kenneth MacMillan's 1978 ballet Mayerling
    * the musical Elisabeth (1992), with book/lyrics by Michael Kunze and music by Sylvester Levay; the incident is dramatized as a very stylized dance sequence.
    * the Japanese manga 'Ave Maria/Tenshi no Hitsugi' (2000), by HIGURI You.
    * the German crossover opera Mayerling * Requiem einer Liebe (2006) by Siegfried Carl (lyrics) and Ricardo Urbetsch (composer) [1]
    * the musical Rudolf by Frank Wildhorn, Jack Murphy, Phoebe Hwang and Nan Knighton that had its premiere at the Operett Színház in Budapest on May 26, 2006, where it plays winters in alternation with outdoor performances in Szeged during the summers.
    * Kronpriz Rudolf, a 2006 Austrian TV film starring Max von Thun and Vittoria Puccini, featuring a cameo appearance by Omar Sharif
    * The 2006 film The Illusionist has elements loosly based on the Mayerling Incident, with a fictional Habsburg crown prince murdering a noblewoman at his hunting lodge and in a later part of the film committing suicide.

Wikipedia on historical link:
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Eisenheim's portrait of the Emperor (the Crown Prince's father) seen in the palace performance scene closely relates with that of Franz Joseph I of Austria. His nephew was Crown Prince Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Franz Ferdinand's wife, Sophie, Duchess of Hohenberg, carries the same name as the first female character in the film, Duchess Sophie von Teschen. Historically, the Duchess of Hohenberg and the Austrian Crown Prince Archduke Franz Ferdinand were together assassinated on 28 June 1914. The assassination is a significant historical event as it is widely credited as the trigger to the outbreak of the First World War.

The film was also clearly inspired by the actual Mayerling Incident of 1889. The historical Crown Prince (named Rudolf and not Leopold) had killed his mistress and committed suicide soon afterwards, in what was considered a suicide pact, and there had never been any suggestion of his plotting a coup; the malevolent plots attributed to Crown Prince in the film have no base in history.
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Post by: Silja on January 25, 2009, 12:06:19 PM
Would so love to see it.

Have you got the DVD yet? Of course it's always better to see it live, but the DVD of the show is rather good.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 25, 2009, 12:32:04 PM
Indeed. I got my tickets for the Flemish production. I've seen both the DVD-recording and an unofficial-one of the Dutch production and I loved both. In fact this is my favorite musical, next on my list is Rudolf. I am downloading it right now, though I won't understand a word :D
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 25, 2009, 01:25:34 PM
Busy buying schedule for us...
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 25, 2009, 02:45:59 PM
I'm getting the Sissi Collection soon. yay.  :)  Romy makes the perfect Sissi.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 25, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
I agree and now this new musicals plus the new one on Rudolf...
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 06:06:41 AM
I was little off topic but about "The Illusionist" is actually fiction but very good made i must say.....
Eric excuse me if i bother you but since i was little of did you find the name of the movie?
And Imperial_Ground did you find mine which i was talking about ? (With the loooong name you know ;) )
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 26, 2009, 11:51:56 AM
I was little off topic but about "The Illusionist" is actually fiction but very good made i must say.....
Eric excuse me if i bother you but since i was little of did you find the name of the movie?
And Imperial_Ground did you find mine which i was talking about ? (With the loooong name you know ;) )

I did not find it, yet, still looking.

Tell me, what did you think of "The Illusionist"? Did you notice some things that seem to be based on history, Mayerling or the assassiation of Franz-Ferdinand? Quite curious to see it, though I will have a new movie to watch this week(I ordered VHS-tapes for both the Mayerling-movies, just love them - sucker for tragedy, romance and history.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
In my opinion it's good .... It has some not correct things... i will tell you more just little bit later
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2009, 01:14:01 PM
Can you tell us too...

Also I am still looking for the link...
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 26, 2009, 01:21:21 PM
OK,
"The Illusionist" is very fascinating to me.... Yes it's little fan fiction but i like it..... If i'm not wrong there was the assassiation of Franz-Ferdinand.... Have to check for sure....Hm...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2009, 01:24:28 PM
Hope to know more thanks !
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 27, 2009, 12:47:24 PM
You just should watch it...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 27, 2009, 12:48:58 PM
You just should watch it...

I intend too, wonder if it's true - that it is based, partialy, on both events.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 27, 2009, 12:49:40 PM
You will like it ;) i'm sure

Ieee new title Velkye Knyaz
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2009, 02:07:45 PM
I will take your word for it...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 27, 2009, 02:16:21 PM
Ieee new title Velkye Knyaz

Congrats :)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 27, 2009, 02:53:33 PM
Thanks :)
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 06:36:56 AM
When you are online Imperial_Grounds the movie is downloading faster....It's 45%
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 30, 2009, 07:08:27 AM
Great, and I ordered "The Illusionist" - it has nothing to do with Sisi, but it uses the Mayerling Tragedy to create a story, using a fictive Crown Prince, Emperor and such, and I am curious to see how it turns out. I've heard it's a good movie, though nothing that is historicaly correct.

Also I finally watched Mayerling, with Omar Sharif, to the fullest and it is beautiful. It has great music, also it is beautifully filmed and the acting is pretty nice. Though Omar Sharif and Catherine Deneuve do not showe the same passion as is seen in Mayerling, with Charles Boyar and Danielle Darrieux, but still it is a great watch. It is also filmed in Vienna and from what I've seen they did rebuild Mayerling as good as possible, a great film with a passionate, tragic, lovestory - As all movies on the event show.

Ava Gardner is lovely as Sisi, I must say, she is maybe a little miscast - she is not thin enaugh -, but she is wonderful as the melancholic Empress. She also shows her as a mother, who feels sorry for the mistakes she made in the past. Also the final scene between Rudolf and his mother is quite haunting in this, earlier in the film Sisi tells Rudolf she can't say goodbye because it is too final and when they part for the last time she does say goodbye. Really haunting.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 10:14:48 AM
Yes I agree the farewell scene is haunting...Ava Gardner, another fading beauty got into the psyhe of Sisi than any actress had before. She showed her insecurites that the real Sisi might have exhibited at that particular period of her life.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 11:06:25 AM
Great, and I ordered "The Illusionist" - it has nothing to do with Sisi, but it uses the Mayerling Tragedy to create a story, using a fictive Crown Prince, Emperor and such, and I am curious to see how it turns out. I've heard it's a good movie, though nothing that is historicaly correct.



No there is Sissi ones and thats all... The whole thing is about Mayerling...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 11:08:14 AM
Ok...I will order it too.
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Post by: aor on January 30, 2009, 11:12:19 AM
There is on more Mayerling movie. It seems the 60's movie is almost scene by scene based on the Boyet movie including the pupper scene in the Praeter. However there is one more movie, made in the 50's, it's a German movie and it shows more of a morose Rudolph and a scheming Larisch. The Empress is portrayed by Lil Dagover. I believe the name is Kroenprinz Rudolph's letzte liebe. Hopefully I wrote that right........ I do have it on VHS. A large number of well known German actors and actresses played in this movie.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 11:14:51 AM
Is it still available ?
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Post by: aor on January 30, 2009, 11:22:04 AM
I found it at the German video distributor her in the US. Actually, I found a large number of old ( 1940's thru 1950's) German language 'period' movies at this place. Granted, most are sugarsweet, but this Mayerling movie is allright. You can rent them or buy them.
One of my hobbies is clothing in the latter part of the 19th. Century and the German film makers had always beautifully detailed AND historical correct, dresses etc.
The web site is www.germanvideo.com, there is another site is www.germanvideo.net
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 30, 2009, 11:24:06 AM
I have heard about it, yet never seen it. I would love to see it though.

I thought "The Illusionist had nothing to do with Sisi, or Mayerling, but that it was based on the whole event?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 11:26:43 AM
That makes the two of us...Would love to see that. Countess Larisch was a scheming woman and rightfully condemned by the Imperial Court.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 30, 2009, 11:37:57 AM
True, the Mayerling-movies show her scheming - especialy the 1968-one -, but not as if she really was a bitch. For "The Crown Prince" she is shown as a go-between between Rudolf and Mary, which keeps on the offical acount of events(as for the suicide/murder), and adds some rumours to make a compelling movie is still one of the more historical correct movies - when it comes to Rudolf's relationship with his parents, Bratfish his Cousin Wilhelm and his wife -, using several things that have been said in reality, and keeping certain things spread by Larisch out(as Mary not bowing for Stephanie).
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 11:43:24 AM
That makesme want to see it more...It is out on DVD yet ?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 30, 2009, 12:09:45 PM
It should be, according to Amazon.
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Post by: aor on January 30, 2009, 12:23:30 PM
True, the Mayerling-movies show her scheming - especialy the 1968-one -, but not as if she really was a bitch. For "The Crown Prince" she is shown as a go-between between Rudolf and Mary, which keeps on the offical acount of events(as for the suicide/murder), and adds some rumours to make a compelling movie is still one of the more historical correct movies - when it comes to Rudolf's relationship with his parents, Bratfish his Cousin Wilhelm and his wife -, using several things that have been said in reality, and keeping certain things spread by Larisch out(as Mary not bowing for Stephanie).

The German 50's movie shows her very much as a schemer, how the elder Baroness Vetsera begged her to find Mary and her flight out of Vienna when she was unable to talk the head of the police into going to Mayerling to stop whatever was about to happen there.  I think it was the most 'true' portrayal of Larisch I have seen so far. Also this movie shows Rudolph signing his name on a piece of paper accepting the Hungarian Crown if it was offered to him. This piece of paper was brought to him by Johann Salvator. I liked it!
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 30, 2009, 12:28:33 PM
I really do want it now, sadly I don't have creditcard or something :(
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 12:30:14 PM
Yes this is a problem here too....
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 30, 2009, 03:40:46 PM
I in the middle of watching the Sissi collection, So far very good.  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 03:44:48 PM
They are very good.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 30, 2009, 03:45:42 PM
I hope to get chance to watch the one with Romy....
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 03:46:55 PM
Yes...we are talking about that.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 31, 2009, 10:23:54 AM
I hope to get chance to watch the one with Romy....

I found English subtitles for the first two movies, the third I'm working on myself. Intend to creat a torrent for those.

And I made a new video to "The Crown Prince", this one - again - is about Rudolf and Mary's romance, but also, does show more of Franz-Joseph.

Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvgTO4wN2k&feature=channel_page
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 31, 2009, 10:33:57 AM
Thank you
And wonderful video again Thank can't wait to download the movie and watch ittttt
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2009, 04:27:17 PM
They are indeed wonderful.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 31, 2009, 04:29:55 PM
Wow i'm on 60% :D i can't believe and tomorrow i will make let's say 65% wonderful
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2009, 04:32:51 PM
Waiting...Hope our waiting will be rewarded.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 31, 2009, 04:34:13 PM
It's downloading for a week...  :-X
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 31, 2009, 04:45:12 PM
I'm sure you'll like it :)

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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 31, 2009, 04:49:48 PM
Ofcourse i will i'm waiting for it for so long i watch everyday couple of time the trailer and can't wait  :-[
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2009, 05:27:31 PM
Me too...Waiting is very frustrating.
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Post by: Princess of Cupertino on January 31, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
I searched on this forum and didn't find many postings. So I'm starting a new thread.

I've just watched the first half of this show. I have to say even though Rudolf was idealized, the show is much better quality than I'd thought (comparing to shows like the Tudors). It captured rather accurately the dynamics between different characters. Empress Elisabeth (Sisi) was the best I've seen - from the looks to the performance.

Max von Thun is more charismatic than the real Rudolf (judging from his portraits). But they didn't reveal enough of his dark side. It's interesting that he's acutally the great-great-nephew of Sophie Chotek.

Emperor FJ was a bit too old and overweight. But he came off sympathetic.

Mary Vestera as always was protrayed positively, while I think she was a bit crazy in real life.

Has anyone else seen the show? I'd like to hear your opinion.
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 01, 2009, 05:30:27 AM
I got it on DVD.. bought it in 2007..

And it was a nice one to watch..and they made sisi verry realistic..not the romantic"Sissi" but really a woman in a own dream world! nice done!
And the thing they should do was made Stephanie blond..cause in real life she was blond and in this serie she had brown hair.. that wasn't a match!
I also love the part when Rudolf falls in love with the woman who works at her daddy's store..so romantic.. to bad she died..

And i also agree with you FJ was a bit 2 overweight...in Real life franz was not that "Big"

on the other hand the Dresses were ugly..
they not very good detailed!
Sometimes it looked like the dresses were made in a hurry and that made it ugly.. like really cheap i mean..
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 01, 2009, 06:35:08 AM
Well it is good, the only movie that also recreates Rudolf's funeral(part of it), and shows Mary's grave.
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Post by: aor on February 01, 2009, 06:55:00 AM
No, there also is the funeral scene in the 50's movie. This movie shows the eerie scene of the burning sticks and the sight of the Empress and the Crown Princess in the windows of the Hofburg as the casket passes as the first scenes of this movie. The scene in the 2006 TV movie, where the head of the Household bangs on the door to have the funeral procession admitted, is almost word by word taken from the older movie. It also shows the family attending the funeral and FJ breaking down at his son's coffin. Then it goes onto showing the Elder Baroness Vetsera at her daughter's grave and the arrival of the Empress. Both women talk and the Baroness asks the Empress to be allowed to provide a proper grave for her child. Then the movie goes into the 'story' of Rudolphs 'letzte' liebe....... The final scene of the movie shows the new grave and the flowers the Empress left............
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 01, 2009, 07:06:42 AM
Ofcourse it's great when Victoria Puchini is there...She is my favourite from the italian serial "The daughter of Eliza" and she played in the first part "Eliza" i'm using the soudntrack in the site of Sisi :)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 01, 2009, 08:13:18 AM
No, there also is the funeral scene in the 50's movie. This movie shows the eerie scene of the burning sticks and the sight of the Empress and the Crown Princess in the windows of the Hofburg as the casket passes as the first scenes of this movie. The scene in the 2006 TV movie, where the head of the Household bangs on the door to have the funeral procession admitted, is almost word by word taken from the older movie. It also shows the family attending the funeral and FJ breaking down at his son's coffin. Then it goes onto showing the Elder Baroness Vetsera at her daughter's grave and the arrival of the Empress. Both women talk and the Baroness asks the Empress to be allowed to provide a proper grave for her child. Then the movie goes into the 'story' of Rudolphs 'letzte' liebe....... The final scene of the movie shows the new grave and the flowers the Empress left............

Now I really do wanna see this. Sounds so good.

Maybe I'm able to find it on Ebay, as I did with Mayerling(Boyer-version), preferable with and without subtitles
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2009, 09:44:01 AM
Yes. I would love to as well.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 02, 2009, 04:39:06 PM
Anyone her heard about "Sissi, Imperatrice De La Solitude"?

This should be a documentary about Empress Elisabeth, the first one I've heard about.

Cover:
(http://www.horsfilm.com/images/enplus/Jaquette_SissiG.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2009, 05:30:22 PM
I have it on tape in English...
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Post by: Princess of Cupertino on February 04, 2009, 11:10:41 AM
Yes the Jewish girl romance was very touching, however very very unlikely. Rudolf couldn't have been ahead of his time.

I'm wondering about the ritual of his funeral, where the prieast asked "Who is it". Is that real (Catholic?) or theatrical?

thanks.
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Post by: Greenowl on February 04, 2009, 11:20:55 AM
I have not seen the film "The Crown Prince". However, the incident with the Jewish girl is apparently true, as it is mentioned in Brigitte Hamann's biography "Kronprinz Rudolf" on page 151. It took place in Prague when Rudolf was stationed there in approx 1878 and Rudolf was so upset and depressed when the girl died that he had to be treated by the "Nervenarzt" Dr. Moritz Benedikt, whose daughter later wrote about the incident.

The funeral ritual is also true....before the remains of any of the Habsburgs were admitted to the crypt the monks asked "who wishes to be admitted?". On hearing the answer "The Emperor of Austria" they would respond "We know him not". It was only when the answer was " XX (i.e. the first name of the deceased), a poor sinner" that the door was opened and the coffin could be brought into the crypt. However, it is said that the ritual had fallen into disuse in the 19th. century and was only revived for the funeral of Empress Zita.

Cheers,
GREENOWL
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Post by: Princess of Cupertino on February 04, 2009, 01:01:48 PM
Thank you greenowl! I'd love to read the BH book but I can't find it in English.

It seems the show is rather authentic on details. I don't think Max von Thun quite captured the complexity of Rudolf's emotions but he's extremely charasmatic, which I believe the Crown Prince was.
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Post by: Greenowl on February 04, 2009, 06:30:45 PM
Hi Princess of Cupertino!

Yes, Brigitte Hamann's biography of Crown Prince Rudolf is well worth reading, but unfortunately I have no idea as to whether it exists in an English translation, although I think her biography of Empress Elisabeth does.

I agree that both the Crown Prince and Max von Thun was/is extremely charismatic, although I think that the latter is better looking (i.e. more handsome) than the former ever was!!

Cheers,
GREENOWL
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Post by: Princess Susan on February 06, 2009, 02:10:08 AM
Another documentary about Sisi with playing actors and Brigitte Hamann. (ZDF television)

You can watch here:
http://terra-x.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/17/0,1872,7489489,00.html
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 06, 2009, 06:06:50 AM
Another documentary about Sisi with playing actors and Brigitte Hamann. (ZDF television)

You can watch here:
http://terra-x.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/17/0,1872,7489489,00.html
yes i saw that one on TV.. it was around christmas i think..

and there is gonna be a new movie about sisi and it would be in 2 parts
with the italian actress Cristiana Capotondi playing sisi and  Martina Gedeck  playing archduchess sophie.
who's gonna play for franz they do not know yet..
the film shall be taped in austria germany italie and france and that will start in 2 months
the stage manager/director is the austrian Xaver Schwarzenberger.
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Post by: aor on February 06, 2009, 07:54:05 AM
Another documentary about Sisi with playing actors and Brigitte Hamann. (ZDF television)

You can watch here:
http://terra-x.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/17/0,1872,7489489,00.html

Thank you so much for that link.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 10:03:33 AM
It is an interesting link. Thanks for posting.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 06, 2009, 10:38:13 AM
I saw that cover and wondered ... Somebody watched it?
(http://filmsdefrance.com/1936_Mayerling.jpg)
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Post by: aor on February 06, 2009, 10:47:56 AM
I do have this movie on VHS. I believe it to be one of the oldest movies on the Mayerling Affair. The 60's movie is a US version and remake of the old Boyer movie. I liked it, but the condition of the movie on VHS is bad/noisy/crackely enough to make it hard to understand, besides the French language........ :)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 06, 2009, 11:09:21 AM
I saw that cover and wondered ... Somebody watched it?
(http://filmsdefrance.com/1936_Mayerling.jpg)

You remember the pictures I posted earlier on an old movie? - with the dark-haired actress as Maria, well that is that movie. It is a good movie, in its sense of a tragic love better more emotional than the remake.

Thank you aor for the link to the documentaire, curious to see it - though I don't understand german.
Great news that a series is made, 2 parts, probably German? If it is then there is a good chance it will be released on dvd here someday(often these are released here in Belgium).
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 11:15:24 AM
Yes the one with the ugly old hag as Sisi...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 06, 2009, 11:26:25 AM
Another documentary about Sisi with playing actors and Brigitte Hamann. (ZDF television)

You can watch here:
http://terra-x.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/17/0,1872,7489489,00.html
yes i saw that one on TV.. it was around christmas i think..

and there is gonna be a new movie about sisi and it would be in 2 parts
with the italian actress Cristiana Capotondi playing sisi and  Martina Gedeck  playing archduchess sophie.
who's gonna play for franz they do not know yet..
the film shall be taped in austria germany italie and france and that will start in 2 months
the stage manager/director is the austrian Xaver Schwarzenberger.

Where have you heard this, seem the rumors are really true. Such a good news, just hope that the series will be as correct as possible.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 01:27:23 PM
Is that true ?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 06, 2009, 01:56:46 PM
I have been searching and did found quite a few pages on it, so I guess it is. But I'll only believe it when I see it turning up on IMDB or something.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 02:44:21 PM
Yes. We shall have to see then.
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 06, 2009, 03:50:25 PM
it is made by ZDF ORF and a italian chanel..

I've seen it on austrian websites..
when i find the url i will place it.. but dont got much time to look for it right now!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 03:59:11 PM
Thanks anyway.
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Post by: Princess Susan on February 06, 2009, 04:10:40 PM
I will look forward to see a link!
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 06, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
I will look forward to see a link!

Second to that
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2009, 01:06:00 PM
Lets hope it would be soon...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 11, 2009, 12:18:55 PM
Now I found some new things, all on torrents.ru

Elisabeth: http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1229571
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This is the musical as it was staged in 1992, the year of its release. Starring Pia Douwes as Elisabeth.

Elisabeth: http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=989184
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The Musical, as it was staged in Essen, with Pia Douwes from 2001

Elisabeth: http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1071951
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The Musical with Maya Hakvort, it is the official DVD-release with the extras. I love both Maya Hakvort and Pia Douwes as Sisi but this is my favorite recording, not only because of the quality but also because the way it was filmed. Theater der Wien, 2004/2005

Elisabeth 1992 - 2002, The Concert: http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1387888
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This is the concert, given for the 10th Anniversary of the musical

Le Secret de Mayerling: http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=569320
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From IMDB:
The film is a long flashback.The tragedy has happened when the movie begins.So this movie is the only one which features the truthful scene of Mary,leaving Mayerling "alive" between her two uncles,and hastily buried in an isolated cemetery.

Rudolf: http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1215078
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This Musical tells the story of archduke Rudolf, it tells of the troubled relationships with his father, the bad marriage, his political influence and ofcourse his romance with Mary Vetsera. Sung and Spoken in hungarian, will open in Germany in 2009

Elisabeth herself is not a character
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2009, 02:03:12 PM
Thanks for the update ! Appreciate it !
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 01, 2009, 12:29:44 PM
Well, I finished watching the Sissi Collection. Very good, I like the Sissi movies. but I don't like is the Princess Vicky one.

I watch it in German with English subtitles (theres one in English,which is the something), I found it really important to know any language even just by watching movies in different language, picking up words here and there. I do want to go to Germany one day. I didn't have a chance in school to learn languages, which was a pity.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 01, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
Yes. I would love a more realistic movie. Like Sisi and Helene chatted away in English, while Franz Josef and his mother discussed in German. All in the background of Possehofen. That would be elthentic.  ;)
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on March 06, 2009, 07:09:31 AM
I found the information of the new Sisi movie  but it is only in german..

http://www.kurier.at/kultur/291137.php (http://www.kurier.at/kultur/291137.php)
http://www.kurier.at/kultur/296258.php (http://www.kurier.at/kultur/296258.php)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2009, 11:33:35 AM
Who was that actress to play Sisi ? She did not look like her at all...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on March 06, 2009, 12:15:33 PM
Lets hope they'll use lots of makeup and such....
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Post by: aor on March 06, 2009, 12:53:51 PM
Let's hope they stay on the 'straight and narrow'....... ;)
So far most films have 'strayed' from history, some more than others. At least the DVD The Crown Prince has given me a little hope.......
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2009, 01:48:52 PM
We just have to wait and see won't we ? as I do not read German, I wonder when does the shooting takes place ?
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on March 06, 2009, 02:02:00 PM
We just have to wait and see won't we ? as I do not read German, I wonder when does the shooting takes place ?
in april this year
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on March 06, 2009, 04:09:00 PM
Let's hope they stay on the 'straight and narrow'....... ;)
So far most films have 'strayed' from history, some more than others. At least the DVD The Crown Prince has given me a little hope.......

I agree, it is one of the more correct movies on Rudolf, and has a correct portrayal of Sissi. Lets hope this movie, like the musical, tells the true story...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2009, 05:56:03 PM
Is the film going to be in German or English ?
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Post by: Princess Susan on March 07, 2009, 04:37:52 AM
Who was that actress to play Sisi ? She did not look like her at all...

Yes, indeed! And the guy doesn't remind me Franz Joseph very much too. He has dark eyes and Franz had light blue.
Hopefully they will have good masquers and costumers, otherwise I am not sure with impression....
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on March 07, 2009, 07:18:13 AM
Is the film going to be in German or English ?

In german..

And i also read somewhere that the makers wanted to make it more like what really happend instead of the "Sissi" from ernst marischka movies...
so thats one good thing.. i love the romy schneider version but..i like it as a nice fairytale thing.. so i hope this one really will be more like the truth!!
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Post by: aor on March 07, 2009, 08:09:07 AM
I did not care too much for the ladies dresses in 'The Crown Prince', but hope they will take a page out of Marischka's costume department. The dresses in the original 'Sissi' were absolutely fabulous and right on! and yes, it was a fairy tale, but I guess it put a number of us on the history path.........
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on March 07, 2009, 09:04:46 AM
I do agree, I came to know about Sisi throughn those movies,
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2009, 11:40:11 AM
Sisi was a sharp dresser and slipped gracefully from Victorian crinoline to Edwardian bussle to the black slim dresses. She managed to look good in all of them.
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Post by: aor on March 16, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
I found the information of the new Sisi movie  but it is only in german..

http://www.kurier.at/kultur/291137.php (http://www.kurier.at/kultur/291137.php)
http://www.kurier.at/kultur/296258.php (http://www.kurier.at/kultur/296258.php)




Although they do not want the Italian actress to look like Romy Schneider, I think she does........ However, the actor chosen to play FJ... ::) oh well.
I just hope that they follow history and don't come up actresses and actors that do not resemble their characters.
Marischka's trilogie was sugar sweet and history forgotten, but the actors and actresses he picked did look the part and his costumes were absolutely FABULOUS!!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 17, 2009, 02:15:48 PM
I can't wait to see it...
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Post by: Princess Susan on March 27, 2009, 04:03:25 PM
I found out this funny song with Archduchess Sophie from musical "Elisabeth". (Vienna 2005)
Here is link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p0GQYobwRE
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 28, 2009, 07:45:53 PM
Thanks for sharing the link. Quite an odd song...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on March 28, 2009, 07:49:58 PM
Now if you understand it....

I soon will have news-report on Flemish release of the musical 'Elisabeth' subtitling it now, it has interview with the actress who plays her and shows some flashes from the musical, among them 'I Belong to Me'
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Post by: Tina Laroche on March 28, 2009, 08:08:59 PM
I found out this funny song with Archduchess Sophie from musical "Elisabeth". (Vienna 2005)
Here is link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p0GQYobwRE

Oh, yes, I've seen it before, and I find this song quite amusing. I think my aunt went to see that musical few years ago. I wanted to come too, but I didn't make it...

P.S.: I love the beginning... ***Ich bin Empört... die Monarchie wird zerstört...*** : D
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 31, 2009, 12:25:09 PM
Maybe I could see it the next time I come to Austria...I hope.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on April 12, 2009, 08:09:30 AM
I have just a few days ago seen the Flemish(Belgian) version of the musical, which follows the most recent German preformances, and adored it. The settings, costumes and story. Well it all was so fascinating to see it for real, even though I know the story by heart. At times, I admit, I had to keep tears in - or keep myself from singing. When Elisabeth is singing 'Rudolf, Wo Bist Du' you could hear people sobbing. It was really strong.

I also liked that they used footage of Franz Joseph, pictures and so on during the show. Ann Van den Broeck was lovely as Elisabeth, though I prefer Pia Douwes in the role, also Anne Mie Gills was perfect for the role of Archduchess Sophie - she knows how to show a 'bad' character and still makes it feel as human. She showed Sophie as a woman who tried to preserve the old ways, whatever the cost was. Thomas Hohler was also good as Crown Prince Rudolf, and as he is a German actor I found his Flemish/Dutch really amazing, also Oliver Arno was great as Death, again a German actor, and Jan Schepens did a good job as Luigi Lucheni.

Here are a few pictures:
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi1.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi2.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi3.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi4.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi4a.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi5.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi6.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi7.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi8.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi9.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi10.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi11.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi12.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi13.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi14.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Sissi15.jpg)
Credit for all pictures goes to MusicHall Entertainment

After the preformance I heard a woman say 'what a tragic life she had' and one could not be less correct.
I am in fact really hoping for a Cast Recording but now shall have to do with the Dutch recording and recordings in German language.

I have also got a chance to buy 'Mayerling', the book from Claude Annet, which is a film edition for the 1968-film with pictures. I will post these when I can scan. Ava Gardner brings a lovely Sisi in my opinion, a bit miscast yes but wonderful still, wonderful.
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 12, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
This topic was slowly dieing thanks for the refreshing....I think it's nice musical
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on April 12, 2009, 12:55:45 PM
Yes. I intended to repost, a
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Post by: Silja on April 12, 2009, 02:12:37 PM
Thanks for the pictures!!!! I love the show. I've seen the Essen production several times and once the revival of the Viennese one. Would love to see it again.

Have you got the DVD from Vienna?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on April 12, 2009, 02:20:48 PM
I have the dvd yes, but got to mess a bit with it. The show itself there has no English subs, and a friend of mine had one with subtitles(it is the 3dvd box, but not official, with subtitles - exactly the one from the Vienna recording with extras, but subtitles added)
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Post by: Princess Susan on April 12, 2009, 04:33:26 PM
I like this musical very much as well. My favorite is Vienna's production from years 2003-2005. I think this version provided the best cast up in main characters: Elisabeth- Maya Hakvoort, the Death- Mate  Kamaras,
Franz Joseph- Andre Bauer and Archduchess Sophie- Else Ludwig. But of course this is only my opinion.:-)

I found some songs-hoppefuly they have not been posted before:
"Der letzte Tanz"(Vienna 2005) with english subtitles:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iES5R3LUVTI&feature=PlayList&p=E3D48B821E11A02E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=22
"Eine Kaiserin muss glänzen"(Vienna 2004): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7AQ70vDnkk

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 12, 2009, 04:56:15 PM
The pictures make me want to see it more.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on April 12, 2009, 05:01:37 PM
I have a few others, if you don't mind.
Ich Gehor Nu Mir: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_vdgL097_o&feature=related
Nichts Ist Schwer(not subtitled): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-7mvxxNkY
Schwarzer Prinz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zMEVTFo_1g
Rudolf, Wo Bist Du: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHVl_f6T928
Nichts, nichts, gar nichts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHjhJz6eV3Q
End of Act I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M01fI9eJfG4&feature=related
Boote in der nacht: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHxz6VM2y8o
Wenn Ich Tanzen Will: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR3hdAc_RDs&feature=related
Der Schleier fällt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgg9jaK-QWw&feature=related

Elisabeth is my absolute favorite, I love the music of Marie Antoinette, as the same goes for Rebecca and the settings etc look great, but Elisabeth is my absolute favorite. I also love The Phantom of the Opera and Evita, Wicked is also good, but nothing can top Elisabeth. In the movie-version of the musical 'Phantom of the Opera' Christine is also wearing a dress which is based on the famous dress Elisabeth wore on the famous Winterhalter-painting.
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Post by: Princess Susan on April 12, 2009, 05:37:02 PM
And even some more from Vienna cast (2005):
Bellaria & Rastlose Jahre-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUaWKvQF5l0&feature=related
Nur kein Genieren & Maladie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tyrKEYcCLc&feature=related
Die Maladie (Subtitles):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FiB0NflrL8&feature=related
Kitsch:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpC0lTB-ZU&feature=related
Uns're kaiserin soll sich wiegen:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0A-FSv9oQ&feature=related
Alle Fragen Sind Gestellt:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTH-PepCMgo
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Post by: Princess Susan on April 12, 2009, 05:54:57 PM
And even some more from Vienna cast (2005):
Bellaria & Rastlose Jahre-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUaWKvQF5l0&feature=related
Nur kein Genieren & Maladie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tyrKEYcCLc&feature=related
Die Maladie (Subtitles):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FiB0NflrL8&feature=related
Kitsch:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpC0lTB-ZU&feature=related
Uns're kaiserin soll sich wiegen:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0A-FSv9oQ&feature=related
Alle Fragen Sind Gestellt:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTH-PepCMgo

Bellaria & Rastlose Jahre- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUaWKvQF5l0&feature=related
Nur kein Genieren & Maladie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tyrKEYcCLc&feature=related
Die Maladie (Subtitles): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FiB0NflrL8&feature=related
Kitsch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpC0lTB-ZU&feature=related
Uns're kaiserin soll sich wiegen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0A-FSv9oQ&feature=related
Alle Fragen Sind Gestellt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTH-PepCMgo


Now is posted better and adding one more: Die Schatten werden länger (ERSTER AKT)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LG46DjE4Mo&feature=related
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 13, 2009, 01:07:49 PM
Thanks for the links. I have much to catch up to.
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Post by: Silja on April 13, 2009, 01:11:26 PM
I like this musical very much as well. My favorite is Vienna's production from years 2003-2005. I think this version provided the best cast up in main characters: Elisabeth- Maya Hakvoort, the Death- Mate  Kamaras,
Franz Joseph- Andre Bauer and Archduchess Sophie- Else Ludwig. But of course this is only my opinion.:-)



My favourite production is also the one from Vienna 2003. It's more creative than the German version. Nevertheless, there are a few things I liked better in Essen, e.g., the fact that "Wenn ich tanzen will" is not almost immediately followed by "Nicht, nichts, gar nichts" as in Vienna,
which to me makes a lot more sense.

The cast I thought was brilliant in both productions, maybe a bit better in Essen with regard to some characters . I didn't particularly like Mate Kamaras as Death. His strong foreign accent was annoying. I also liked the Luchenis I saw in Essen, Carsten Lepper and Alex Melcher, better than Serkan Kaya although Sekan was alright. I have no real favourite Elisabeth. Although I'm one of the few people who prefers Maya Hakvoort's voice to Pia Douwes's, I also like Pia very much. Else Ludwig was fabulous as Sophie. Unfortuantely, she isn't a singer. I also adored Essen's Sophie, Gabriele Ramm, who is also a brilliant singer.
André Bauer was a perfect Franz Josef both in Essen and Vienna.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 13, 2009, 01:24:55 PM
Sounds like a good production. Still going on ?
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Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 13, 2009, 01:37:53 PM
I think yes
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on April 13, 2009, 03:30:04 PM
It is a really good production. Grande settings, great costumes and amazing music, and strong drama too. I did not like the ending here. There was no kiss between Elisabeth and Death, which I thought to be rather sad, a kiss would have given a more passionate ending. But still I loved the preformance, and as for wether Pia or Maya is best, I like them both, though prefer Pia as she is one of my favorite singers in the genre.

Currently Rudolf iss running in Vienna, on Crown Prince Rudolf, I have seen the Hungarian recording and heard the English Demo, as the single version of 'I was born to love you' by Drew Sarich and Lisa Antoni(who portray Crown Prince Rudolf and Mary Vetsera). Sadly the Empress is no character, but it is said she is mentioned a few times.

Does anyone have news on the Mini Series which is in the works on her life? Or even the rumoured Holywood-production?
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Post by: Silja on April 15, 2009, 02:16:59 PM
Filming for the upcoming two-part film about Sisi has now begun:

http://diepresse.com/home/kultur/film/470333/index.do?gal=470333&index=1&direct=&_vl_backlink=&popup=

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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on April 18, 2009, 02:15:24 PM
Aha, and with pictures. 

For me no actress can come close to Romy Schneider as Elisabeth, and the fact that in this series an Italian actress would play her in a German series is a bit odd to me, but we'll have to wait for the series to be released to give an opinion. Also on the actor who's going to play Franz Joseph I'm doubtful - looks - but if it will be as good as The Crown Prince I'll be glad - The Crown Prince was ofcourse not as correct to events always(in making the romance of Rudolf and Mary way too romantic), but it is the closest there is.

Also here are a few songs from Rudolf, the musical - though Elisabeth is not a charecter:

Du Wilst Nicht Hören: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuUdfqNAKo
Ein Hübscher Krieg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds2LNFuATos
Mary's Lied: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRp4tjVN0Ow
So Viel Mehr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c78dBvsZkts
Vertrau In Uns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfTQvrr6YuU&feature=channel_page
Wohin Führt Mein Weg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjB1Yy7BSoA
Die Fäden In Der Hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWu35ovQkiU
Wie Jeder Andere Mann: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yb0dCqaE9I
Mut Zur Tat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yXsRPwzSK8
Der Weg In Die Zukunft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtzelH-HvY
Die Liebe Lenkt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK_qe54ifEw
Wenn Das Shicksal Dich Ereilt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV6pG7uBRQw
Kann Ich Einfach Gehen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAmFR-L31UA
Ich Schütz Den Staat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnTE4Q0Wxzk
Du Bleibst Bei Mir: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gK_Giqj3DI
Du Bist Meine Welt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-a4k0s7B1M

Could someone please give me the translated lyrics for the next songs:
Mary's Lied
So Viel Mehr
Vertrau In Uns
Wohin Führt Mein Weg
Wie Jeder Andere Mann
Die Liebe Lenkt
Kan Ich Einfach Gehen
Du Bist Meine Welt

Now I really Hope I don't bother you all, by asking this, but I would like to do some videos with the German versions of these songs, and my German is not good enough to translate myself - so that is why I ask it on here, because I can hear that the lyrics are different from the English demo, so the English translation of this would be different too.

Thanks to anyone who's willing to try.

Here are also some official video recordings from the Hungarian production and the trailer for the version playing in Vienna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7GPoAJ7Rw4 - Trailer for German production
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UTSqtdraMA - Hungarian clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWzmkmx28OU - Hungarian clip

Now I hope I didn't bother you all:p

Also I made a new video, which I will show - as I have done with my others.

It is a video to the 1936-version of Mayerling, which is really romantic and has a great chemistry between Rudolf and Mary - pronounced as Maria(played by Charles Boyer and Danielle Darrieux).

In this movie the Empress is a character, but I much prefer Ava Gardner - who was also not perfect for the role, but still better than Gabrielle Dorziat in this movie.
I intend to read the book, ordered a copy last week, and will give my opinion on it then.

Here is the link to my video, set to 'Who Wants To Live Forever', original from Queen, but sung here by Sarah Brightman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaD-Ds8rlcw

Now I hope I haven't bothered you all, by my request and Rudolf-related things:p


Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Silja on April 18, 2009, 03:50:33 PM
I don't expect much from the upcoming film about Elisabeth. I don't mind Sisi being played by an Italian (the Italian  playing her in the Rudolf film was rather good), but from what I've read about the script, it's going to be a shallow romance again. The producers mean to rid the character of the clichés from the 1950s films and to present a modern and politically interested Elisabeth struggling for her emancipation and supporting the respective political changes - Hungary and all that - but they again only seem to create a new cliche, that of a an intelligent and modern woman who did so much to save her country from political disaster. Moreover, it will end with the Hungarian coronation

Elisabeth was much more complex and contradictory than this film will apparently present her. She never particularly cared for her country's fate in the long run. She identified with Hungary because for her it embodied her own personal situation. Elisabeth was committed to doing her duty as empress in the earlier years, but she was also quite selfish, which became ever more obvious as she grew older. And by now it should be known that the marriage between Elisabeth and Franz Josef was not the great romance of the Sissi films, at least not for a very long time. But this new production, too, is supposed to be a "feel-good-movie", which speaks for itself !!!! I fear it will also again make use of the stereotyped  contrast of evil reactionary Sophie vs. good innocent Sisi.

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on April 18, 2009, 05:11:41 PM
Ohhh, No -

I was hoping that this new production on her would show us a more historical correct Empress Elisabeth and now we're about to have the same romance as the Sissi-movies made of it. Sad, one could do so much more with her story. It is a story of tragedy, a restless woman, her flaws and her good qualities, her love for Franz and how it faded.... Why always show a perfect romance, while it was anything but a perfect romance - yes it was a match out of love, but it did not last, and that should be known by the world.

And if it will end with the Hungarian Coronation then so much of her life will remain unknown, to the big audiences, and keep the magic of the Sissi-movies intact - and that while there is so much more to be known, the loss she led, from Max to Rudolf's death at Mayerling, which would make her even more restless, up to her own death.

It seems the hopes for a historical correct production, once again, will be dashed.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 27, 2009, 07:47:58 PM
Sissi und der wilde Kaiser
(http://84.16.234.32/filmverleih-im-nordseepark/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/f31ce9a08a65fab8f1787c570eb44a74.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 27, 2009, 08:29:42 PM
is the lady with the white big hair is Archduchess Sophie? bahahahaha!!!!

I really liked the Sisi movies (starting Remy, what a beautiful woman, wow ). The cloths, the acting where great! one of my favorite historial/fiction romantic story. Plus Sisi wasn't that really that nice in my opinion, she was rather cold to me.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 28, 2009, 01:50:02 AM
Haha this is funny cover and possible the cartoon to be funny
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 30, 2009, 06:50:08 PM
Different actresses as Sissi

Romy Schneider (Sissi/ Ludwig)
(http://www.wien.info/images/sisi-im-film_gr.jpg)
(http://www.problogs.com/UserImages/177/Schneider_LudwigII1972.jpg)

Mayerling (Ava Gardner)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4QB0d-vpO60/SXNEUeLFwmI/AAAAAAAAP6s/-CLa0nbj7Ac/s400/mayerling.jpg)

A movie from 1920's (excuse me, I don't know the name of the actress)
(http://www.videomediaonline.com/images/462_sisi_deathbed.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on May 01, 2009, 04:46:10 AM
The last one was posted
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Rani on May 01, 2009, 07:45:59 AM


A movie from 1920's (excuse me, I don't know the name of the actress)
(http://www.videomediaonline.com/images/462_sisi_deathbed.jpg)

[/quote]

Carla Nelsen

(http://i43.tinypic.com/ou36ex.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 02, 2009, 10:09:40 AM
Austrian musical Empress Sissi, some images:

(http://i1.ce.cn/english/Life/society/200811/27/W020081127376648872603.jpg)
(http://www.culture.sh.cn/images/upfile/2009/01/20081171453333750.jpg)
(http://images2.sina.com/english/cityguide/p/2008/1214/U135P200T1D204723F8DT20081214195314.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Linnie on May 03, 2009, 05:28:52 PM
I watched the miniseries last week. I liked it, although it didn't seem to realistic. I loved the actress chosen to play Sissi because she had the right looks. Klaus-Maria Brandaouer portrays a different Franz-Josef: I love the actor, but I am not sure that he had the right looks for that role. Rudolph was portrayed as a romantic, idealist young man: that is correct, to a point, though. I didn't like the way Stephanie was shown: is it that bad to want to be responsible and assume all the responsibilities coming with being royalty? Looks that her assuming her role as future Empress got her estranged from Rudolph. Strange...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on May 25, 2009, 02:01:28 PM
I finally finished the fiirst, in a series of three, video's about the Empress Elisabeth.

So as this thread is on movies about her I'll post those here.

Empress Elisabeth, A Perfect Life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Tzu-W2U4k&feature=channel_page

This is about how she wants a perfect life, after she married, but the court, it's stiff way of life and Archduchess Sophie prevent that, though she fights for the right to rais her children. A timeline is added.2 more video's to follow from Sophie's death to that of Rudolf, and from the on to her own death.

Here are a few others, taking place in Sisi's life, she is no character though:

Mayerling(1936) - Who Wants To Live Forever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaD-Ds8rlcw&feature=channel_page

Mayerling(1968) - Who Wants To Live Forever(other version):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMINyL_YHO8&feature=channel_page

Mayerling - Rudolf and Mary, Du Bist Meine Welt(with English subtitles):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdzD7c6TEgc&feature=channel_page

Also a friend of mine, from Vienna, is sending over a movie on Empress Elisabeth's life - Though she didn't mention the title. She said it is one of the better movies on her, being correct to the events, 'not a great prodcution but a good movie' she said. Also she is sending over 'Kronprinz Rudolfs letzte Liebe'(1956) wich was mentioned in this thread before as being a correct movie on the events surrounding Mayerling, though too romantic - again.

As soon as I've seen both I'll tell you all what I think, and post screencaps.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 25, 2009, 06:59:26 PM


A movie from 1920's (excuse me, I don't know the name of the actress)
(http://www.videomediaonline.com/images/462_sisi_deathbed.jpg)


Carla Nelsen

(http://i43.tinypic.com/ou36ex.jpg)
[/quote]

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 02, 2009, 05:47:16 PM
From a mexican play of Charlotte (Carlota Emperatriz) by the
mexican actress Chantal Andere....

http://www.panamagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/carlota-emperatriz.png (http://www.panamagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/carlota-emperatriz.png)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 02, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
Actually...thats Jacqueline Andere, Chantal` s mother.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Gabriella on June 02, 2009, 06:54:45 PM
In 1939 Bette Davis played Charlotte in the movie "Juarez".

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/Juarez.jpg)
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/Juarez2.jpg)
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/Juarez3.jpg)
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/52da_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 02, 2009, 07:17:40 PM
Bettie looks superb as Charlotte!

Here more  

(http://classicmoviefavorites.com/davis/davis057.jpg)      

(http://perso.wanadoo.es/bettedavis/images/aclamacion/juarez/juarez02.jpg)


(bigger version of one already posted)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3520/3220356263_7a34fb7b06.jpg)

(http://filmsdefrance.com/Juarez_1.jpg)







Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 02, 2009, 07:24:18 PM
Another of Jacqueline as Charlotte

(http://media.elsiglodetorreon.com.mx/i/2007/10/33395.jpeg)
(http://www.yucatan.com.mx/noticias/20080921/imagenes/mini/TN_1223070.jpg)


And here a blog with more pics of the play

Click Here (http://vdca86.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!30010BB283DC5D6F!728.entry) 



Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 05, 2009, 06:56:01 PM
Yes, excuse me, sometimes I confuse names :-(
Interesting posts!!
Mexican soap opera, Maximiliano y Carlota, Maximilian is the
Argentinian actor Guillermo Murray

(http://www.network54.com/Realm/Telenovelas_mexicanas_2/maximilianoycarlota.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 05, 2009, 07:23:28 PM
Do you know sthg. about it? Sissi in Bayern

(http://www.educared.org.ar/comunidades/tamtam/lmages/1403_disard.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 05, 2009, 07:27:11 PM
And about it? Sissi&Ludwig

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,2672547_1,00.jpg (http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,2672547_1,00.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RealAnastasia on June 06, 2009, 11:03:16 PM
And about it? Sissi&Ludwig

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,2672547_1,00.jpg (http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,2672547_1,00.jpg)

I like the draw...But they're shown as if they were in love! Of course, I know that Ludwig II admired Sissi and *almost* loved her...And ofg course she loved his cousin a big deal, but not the way a woman could love a man...

RealAnastasia.

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RealAnastasia on June 06, 2009, 11:13:45 PM
*sigh* I can't see it...

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 07, 2009, 09:42:15 AM
What thing you cant see?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2009, 05:49:48 PM
I haven't see the movie about Ludwig (with Romy Schneider) yet. But I found
the next image, and it looks like an affair of Sissi, I don't know if the actor
represents Ludwig. If no correct me :-)

(http://www.canaltcm.com/myfiles/gallery_images/0000/0131/imported_image.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2009, 06:20:47 PM
There is another play about them, it was written in 1943 by the mexican
writter Rodolfo Usigli, it's title is "Corona de Sombras".  Here if you can read more
about it, Sorry it's in Spanish, but I hope that someone can read it :-(

http://sincronia.cucsh.udg.mx/perinelli.htm (http://sincronia.cucsh.udg.mx/perinelli.htm)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Sissi & the little hungarian princess

(http://www.catedu.es/arablogs/repositorio/569/sissi1.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2009, 07:37:07 PM
Scene of the soap opera

(http://www.network54.com/Realm/Telenovelas_mexicanas_2/maximilianoycarlota2.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RealAnastasia on June 08, 2009, 11:10:22 PM
What thing you cant see?

Because I only see a blank space with a red "X" on it, not a photo...

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 09, 2009, 09:43:13 AM
I haven't see the movie about Ludwig (with Romy Schneider) yet. But I found
the next image, and it looks like an affair of Sissi, I don't know if the actor
represents Ludwig. If no correct me :-)

(http://www.canaltcm.com/myfiles/gallery_images/0000/0131/imported_image.jpg)

The movie does not tells Ludwig and Elisabeth had an affair, but that they had a really strong bond...

Romy is quite a big actress in the movie, her final scene is when she visits all of Ludwig's castles but Ludwig is in the meantime taken captive. Then we hear Ludwig call out her name, if I am correct because its been some time since I have seen it(but it is a long movie, about 4 hours)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 09, 2009, 09:45:40 AM
Has anyone here seen Juarez? I would love to see that movie, I've heard Bette Davis is amazing as Charlotte, from the proud Empress to a crazy woman, who was deeply in love with her husband. Ofcourse the lovestory in that movie is not correct because the marriage was far from perfect.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 09, 2009, 10:09:31 AM
i want to see that movie so badly!! i love brian aherne as Maximilian *0*
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 12, 2009, 07:18:03 PM
The actress is as beutiful as Charlotte. Is easy to get that movie? I'd like to
see it, because I just have seen one mexican, that isn't very good, it sounds
much better than this. :-)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 12, 2009, 07:20:36 PM
Thanks for the information Imperial_Grounds! :-)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 12, 2009, 08:00:06 PM
Do you know something about this movie??

(http://www.publico.es/resources/archivos/2009/5/16/124248348380020090516-2195159dn.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on June 13, 2009, 05:50:43 AM
I think it's animation
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 13, 2009, 07:41:49 AM
I think so too, there is a new movie about her in the works, I saw some pictures and even some footage a little while back. It is going to be a miniseries, hopefully much like 'The Crown Prince' since that was one of the most correct movies on Rudolf, and Elisabeth
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 13, 2009, 09:03:48 AM
It is not on DVD yet, though the classics of the 1930's are amazing, 'Mayerling' from 1936, 'Marie Antoinette' from 1938 - which is even better, 'Mary of Scotland' from 1936, 'Cleopatra' from 1934 and even 'Rasputin and the Empress' are all out on dvd, besides Mayerling but I have seen it online, and they are amazing - great costumes, amazing sets and mostly a great story(but not always correct to history). I really hope to see this movie, I saw the trailer on youtube and it looks so amazing.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 15, 2009, 06:47:32 PM
I found this image as a movie about Empress Sissi

(http://www.mymovies.it/filmclub/attori/5763.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 15, 2009, 07:11:55 PM
Do you know nice books about them???
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 15, 2009, 08:26:06 PM
New serie about Empress Sissi,Cristiana Capotondi as Sissi,
Martina Gedeck as archduchess Sophie, David Rott as Franz Joseph
& Fritz Karl as Andrassy , here some images...

(http://www.tutele.net/imagenes/web/noticias/portada_16.jpg)
Sissi&Franz (http://www.tutele.net/includes/spaw2/uploads/images/Imagen%204_13.png. entry)
Sissi&Franz dancing (http://www.tutele.net/includes/spaw2/uploads/images/Imagen%205_11.png.entry)
Wedding (http://www.tutele.net/includes/spaw2/uploads/images/Imagen%206_8.png.entry)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 16, 2009, 09:41:07 AM
Yes, this series has been discussed on here before. I really do hope that it will be a historically correct series.

Also I recently heard that an official DVD-recording will be made of 'Rudolf - Affaire Mayerling'

PS. The pictures don't work for me
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RealAnastasia on June 16, 2009, 11:22:50 PM
Nor for me...I can't open them. I'm send to www.tutele.net , a Spanish TV site...but I'ven't seen anything about Sissi movie or serie...

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 19, 2009, 06:43:52 PM
I'll add  them again...

Sissi's wedding
(http://www.tutele.net/includes/spaw2/uploads/images/Imagen%206_8.png)
Dancing with Franz
(http://www.tutele.net/includes/spaw2/uploads/images/Imagen%205_11.png)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 19, 2009, 07:49:13 PM
Italian poster of Romy's movies about Sissi, I think that is of the first
of the three movies.

(http://www.cinelocandine.net/img/La%20principessa%20Sissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RealAnastasia on June 19, 2009, 10:48:12 PM
Thanks for the pics, Kaiser Alzbeta...The dresses are lavish, but sadle the actress and the actor are nothing like Sissi and Franz Joseph. Romy Schneider movies were not too accurate, but at least she was similar to Elizabeth...Movies from today are not at all interested in likeness. Whe I've seen "The French Revolution- Years of Hope-Years of Rage" , I was almost amazed that anyone , excepting Peter Ustinov and his wonderful Mirabeau and Andrezj Sewerjn in his Robespierre - was similar to the person he/she was supposed to portray, nor in physical features, not in personalities...Oh, well...I think I must be already used to it.  ;)

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Princess Susan on June 20, 2009, 12:37:34 AM
I'll add  them again...

Sissi's wedding
(http://www.tutele.net/includes/spaw2/uploads/images/Imagen%206_8.png)
Dancing with Franz
(http://www.tutele.net/includes/spaw2/uploads/images/Imagen%205_11.png)


Thanks for pics too, Kaiserin Alzbeta Sissi.
I agree with RealAnastasia. I see no resemblance between the actors and the Imperial couple. Especially the actor do not look like Franz. I think that the best Empress Elisabeth was Romi Schneider.
And the best Franz Joseph in appearance was definitely André Bauer from musical Elisabeth (Vienna cast 2005).
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 20, 2009, 05:20:52 AM
There is no resemblence at all. The best actress in likeness to the Empress really is Romy, I've never seen a more correct depiction of her beautiful looks.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on June 20, 2009, 10:56:09 AM
There is no resemblence at all. The best actress in likeness to the Empress really is Romy, I've never seen a more correct depiction of her beautiful looks.

I'm agree with you, I like to see all movies about Empress Sissi, but Romy Schneider will always remain my favorite, I can't forget her incredible talent and her charisma.

(http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/44837/2228857780101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2228857780101857556SBQUrM)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Silja on June 20, 2009, 04:45:46 PM
I don't think Romy Schneider resembled Elisabeth either. Capotondi  looks much too Italian to be convincing as Sisi.
I expect nothing at all from this new film. It is not at all interested in giving us a realistic portrayal of the historic Elisabeth but simply means to modernise the myth created by the Sissi trilogy.

As for looks, I think Maike Boerdam from the Essen production of Elisabeth looked very much like Elisabeth as she was painted in her Hungarian coronation dress.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: historylover on June 20, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
I hope that the new series will have English sub-titles!
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2009, 07:49:22 PM
Indeed agree. Romy is the best Sissi :-)
But I hope that it can make justice to real Sissi
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2009, 08:01:44 PM
Romy as Sissi, a beautiful bride

(http://www.sissi.de/pic/gr_romy_schneider_1.jpg)

I adore Romy's engagement gown (as Sissi) can you help me
to find a full photo of it. Here is only a detail.

(http://www.sissi.de/pic/sissi_links.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Rani on June 25, 2009, 01:08:07 PM
Uta Franz as Helene

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1872094GGAUArKlNfFzD2khvjV4PBqRX5fx.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RealAnastasia on June 25, 2009, 10:48:06 PM
Great pics. I've never seen them before. I know these three "Sissi" movies very well, but these pics...Unknown for me! Bravo!

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 26, 2009, 06:40:47 PM
This girl looks very nice as Helene :-)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 30, 2009, 07:04:53 AM
I finally got my copy of 'Le Secret De Mayerling' which is a French movie regarding the tragedy of Mayerling. Unlike other movies this one does not tell a tale of tragic love doomed to end in death but about a political scheme to get rid of the Crown Prince. Mary, in this movie, is portrayed as a girl deeply in love, admiring her idol, as a teenager can be. Also this movie begins when the tragedy has already happened. We see Mary's burial, Rudolf's funeral and the visits payed by Countess Larich and Mary Vetsera's mother to the Empress Elisabeth to know what happened to the girl. Then we go in flashback, see the terrible marriage of the Prince, his political work and the trouble with his parents. Then he meets Mary, with whome he shares a lovely romance, but in the meantime an assassination is planned. When the couple is at Mayerling they do not know about what is to happen. We see the couple in bed, then a man standing behind something, in fact we only see the gun pointing at the couple. Then we see scenes of the outside and hear shots. We go back in the room, the killer escapes and as the room is entered we fade to the bed and see the dead couple.

Now ofcourse we all know this is unlikely, but it shows what a mystery the tragedy in fact is and how conspiracies always will be there. Sadly I do not understand the movie, it is in French, but if anyone wants to see it or is able to work on English subtitles: just let me know.

Here are some pictures:

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/JeanMaraisRudolf.jpg)
Jean Marais as Crown Prince Rudolf

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/DominiqueBlancharMary.jpg)
Dominique Blanchard as Mary Vetsera

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/MargueriteJamoisElisabeth.jpg)
Marguerite Jamois as Empress Elisabeth "Sisi"
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: aor on June 30, 2009, 11:50:30 AM
where did you find this movie???? I have been trying for years to find it......
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 30, 2009, 12:20:10 PM
I got a rare copy on Ebay, I can give you a torrent if you want it. Jus send a PM then ;)

Also, do you perhaps know French then? I am dying to get subtitles to be honest:p it really looks splendid
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 03, 2009, 06:59:34 PM
I didn't knew something about this movie, it sonds interesting
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 05, 2009, 07:34:57 AM
From the musical "Empress Sissi", I don't know the name of the actress.

(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/44099/2846298590101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2846298590101857556onIAMX)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on July 05, 2009, 05:04:49 PM
I recognise the actress, can't put a name on her though - but I recognise her. I will put the movie on for those who wish to see it.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
From the musical "Empress Sissi", I don't know the name of the actress.

(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/44099/2846298590101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2846298590101857556onIAMX)

I've seen that image several times before on my google searchs about Sissi, I thought
that it was from a movie
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: aor on July 06, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
I recognise the actress, can't put a name on her though - but I recognise her. I will put the movie on for those who wish to see it.
I would very much appreciate it! Let me know when you do. thanks!
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Valancy on July 08, 2009, 11:27:30 AM
I thought I would post some pictures from the Hungarian production of the musical Elisabeth, since that is quite special, and the production is much loved in Hungary where Elisabeth is still adored and respected as the liberator of Hungarians. I've seen the Hungarian version several times and I think it's quite lovely - different from any other versions in some respects, for example it makes more of the scenes taking place in Hungary and equates Elisabeth's struggle for freedom with Hungary's in interesting ways. That production also has in my opinion the best Elisabeth actress anywhere: Nikolett Füredi, who I think is better than anybody in any other actress I have seen in portraying the multiple facets of her character and her development throughout her life, and is completely enchanting on stage. Yes, I do think she's better than the famous names like Pia Douwes and Maya Hakvoort. Nikolett is one of the three actresses currently playing Elisabeth, as Hungarian musicals always have two or three actors for each role and they often get to play equally much. Out of the two others, I wasn't much impressed by Kata Janza though she's famous in Hungary for the role, but I much liked Bernadett Vágó and she is my second favourite after Nikolett.

A few pictures of Nikolett as Elisabeth:

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/Furedi%20Nikolett/niki9.jpg)

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/Furedi%20Nikolett/niki3.jpg)

(This one's from the bows, but it's lovely...)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/Furedi%20Nikolett/niki20.jpg)

With Szilveszter Szabó P. as Death
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/Furedi%20Nikolett/nikisziszi13.jpg)

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/Furedi%20Nikolett/nikisziszi2.jpg)

With Zoltán Bereczki as Franz-Joseph
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/Furedi%20Nikolett/nikizoli1.jpg)

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/Furedi%20Nikolett/nikizoli5.jpg)

And a few other favourite actors of mine from the Hungarian production...

Bernadett Vágó as Elisabeth
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/betti1.jpg)

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/betti2.jpg)

With Ádám Bálint as Franz-Joseph
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/bettiadam1.jpg)

Dávid Szabó as Rudolf
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/Szabo%20David/elisabeth05.jpg)

Attila Dolhai as Rudolf
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/valancystar/dolhai3.jpg)

I hope this isn't too much picspam, I tried to be moderate! But I thought I should show some of the Hungarian production of the musical because it's not that well known.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 08, 2009, 08:02:40 PM
why they have a mic on the middle of their forhead?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
Thanks for the info. Valancy, That images of the Hungarian production are
unknown and completely new for me :-)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2009, 07:32:46 PM
(http://www.artflower.de/artflower/cosplay/sissi2.jpg)
(http://www.artflower.de/artflower/cosplay/sissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Princess Susan on July 12, 2009, 08:58:38 AM
Here you can find (supposedly) all songs from musical Elisabeth (Vienna cast 2005):

Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 1 of 18 ~ Prolog- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kCfsf1SbKo&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 2 of 18 ~ Wie du/ Schwarzer Engel- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMgJ3mglM3o&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 3 of 18 ~ Den jungen Kaiser/ Bad Ischl- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDL6_ksErzM&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 4 of 18 ~ Nichts ist schwer/ Alle Fragen sind gestellt- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JDCck1uMwQ&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 5 of 18 ~ Sie passt nicht/ Der letzte Tanz- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMJRU_yEJhA&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 6 of 18 ~ Eine Kaiserin muss glänzen/ Ich gehör nur mir- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eljg6cZdByo&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 7 of 18 ~ Szenen einer Ehe/ Die Fröhliche Apokalypse- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M8t6YventM&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 8 of 18 ~ Elisabeth, mach auf mein Engel/ Milch- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2tGSpWf6sw&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 9 of 18 ~ Elisabeths Ankleidezimmer/ Ich gehör nur mich- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7euPHRgYvKM&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 10 of 18 ~ Kitsch/ Éljen Erzsébet- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2GY5q8ZAFA&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 11 of 18 ~ Mama, wo bist du?/ Nichts, Nichts, Gar Nichts- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7jGoKR8C8&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 12 of 18 ~ Wir oder Sie/Nur kein Genieren- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgOkUbTRwM8&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 13 of 18 ~ Der letzte Tanz/Bellaria- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWTlneDcVAU&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 14 of 18 ~ Rastlose Jahre /Die Schatten werden länger- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N43XozCKMHk&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 15 of 18 ~ Demonstration/wenn ich Dein Spiegel wär- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54qvVOOjXag&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 16 of 18 ~ Rudolfs tot/Rudolf, wo bist du?- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-2frR2yxyw&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 17 of 18 ~ Boote in der Nacht/ An deck der sinkenden Welt- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPEc0FV82G0&feature=related
Elisabeth Musical Wien - part 18 of 18 ~ Der Schleier fällt- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3I7IcqgnaA&feature=related



Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on July 13, 2009, 02:50:16 PM
Here is the torrent for 'Le Secret De Mayerling'

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5001136/Le_Secret_De_Mayerling(1949)

Enjoy!

If anyone knows French and is willing to work on subtitles, please let me know.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 06:36:38 PM
Musical of Sissi

(http://www.kultur-channel.at/Pics/elisabeth20040421bgrande.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 08:01:35 PM
One movie more

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_A_-qYsrXec0/R8_KeRbC9oI/AAAAAAAAB2I/Xn5JfMyGd7E/s200/sissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Valancy on July 14, 2009, 05:11:38 AM
why they have a mic on the middle of their forhead?

Because it's a musical and musical actors have mics. The pictures have been taken in a performance, rather than staged separately. Most of the time photos from musicals include microphones, though sometimes there are pictures that are staged specifically for promo purposes and don't include mics. I do wish they didn't always have them, but I suppose there are some technical reasons why it would be hard to take lots of good pics separately instead of in a performance, because it's always like this in most musical photos I've been able to collect.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 17, 2009, 06:57:10 PM
Sissi & Franz

(http://www.ojotele.com/images/2009/05/imagen204_13.png)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on July 18, 2009, 09:21:30 AM
From the up-commıng serıes, they do not look lıke Sısı or Franz at all - but neıther dıd Karlheinz Böhm ın the Sıssı-movıes
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 18, 2009, 09:50:50 AM
When I posted the images of the new serie about Sissi, time before I forgot
to add the image that is below. Of course that they don't look like as the real
imperial couple as we said in many replies before. :-)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 04, 2009, 06:53:48 PM
One more photo about Romy’s movie, I liked it very much, here is it. I like her dress.

(http://images.greencine.com/images/article/austria-sissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on August 05, 2009, 07:38:27 PM
Elisabeth - Kaiserin Elisabeth Von österreich(1972)

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KE-MarisaMellasEmpressElisabeth.jpg)
Marisa Mell as Empress Elisabeth

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KE-MarisaMellasEmpressElisabeth2.jpg)
Marisa Mell as Empress Elisabeth

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KE-MarisaMellasEmpressElisabeth3.jpg)
Marisa Mell as Empress Elisabeth

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KE-MarisaMellasEmpressElisabeth4.jpg)
Marisa Mell as Empress Elisabeth

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KE-MarisaMellasEmpressElisabeth5.jpg)
Marisa Mell as Empress Elisabeth

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KE-PeterFrhlichasEmperorFranzJoseph.jpg)
Peter Fröhlich as Emperor Franz Joseph

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KE-MarisaMellasEmpressElisabethandP.jpg)
Marisa Mell as Empress Elisabeth and Peter Fröhlich as Emperor Franz Joseph

Kronprinz Rudolf's Letzte Liebe(1956)

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KRLL-RudolfPrackasCrownPrinceRudolf.jpg)
Rudolf Prack as Crown Prince Rudolf

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KRLL-ChristianeHrbigerasMaryVetsera.jpg)
Christiane Hörbiger as Mary Vetsera

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KRLL-ErikFreyasEmperorFranzJoseph.jpg)
Erik Frey as Emperor Franz Joseph

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KRLL-LilDagoverasEmpressElisabeth.jpg)
Lil Dagover as Empress Elisabeth

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KRLL-GretaZimmerasCrownPrincessStep.jpg)
Greta Zimmer as Crown Princess Stephanie

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KRLL-RudolfPrackasCrownPrinceRud-2.jpg)
Rudolf Prack and Christiane Hörbiger as Rudolf and Mary Vetsera

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KRLL-RudolfPrackasCrownPrinceRud-3.jpg)
Rudolf Prack and Christiane Hörbiger as Crown Prince Rudolf and Mary Vetsera

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KRLL-RudolfPrackasCrownPrinceRud-1.jpg)
Rudolf Prack and Lil Dagover as Crown Prince Rudolf and Empress Elisabeth

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/KRLL-ErikFreyasEmperorFranzJosephan.jpg)
Erik Frey and Lil Dagover as Emperor Franz Joseph and Empress Elisabeth

I recently found out that Lil Dagover played Empress Elisabeth several times, like Romy Schneider, the first time in "Elisabeth von Österreich"(1931) and the second time in "Kronprinz Rudolf's Letzte Liebe"(1956). "Elisabeth von Österreich"(1931) could be the movie Irinia Alexandrovna has seen, but unfortunately lost, as it is one of the first movies with audio on the Empress.

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 07, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
Imperial Grounds:
This is one of the most interesting replies that I've ever seen here, the actress is very beautiful, she looks very beautiful with the coronation dress.
The movie looks very interesting, have you ever seen it? Can you tell us stgh. about it?
I'm really interested, is easy to get it? Perhaps here in Mexico it would be nearly impossible, I hope that one day I can see it.
Thank you very much for this post :-) *****
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 07, 2009, 01:39:18 PM
The title of the movie is Kaiserin Elisabeth Von Osterreich?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on August 07, 2009, 01:57:01 PM
No, Elisabeth - Kaiserin Von Osterreich....

I have it on my computer - just like Kronprinz Rudolf, a friend of mine from Vienna gave me a copy. The movie has only aired once, in 1972, but since then it has never been shown because it had really bad critics. But for us, people who like Sisi's history, it is a good one. It is like a docudrama, and retells the most important events of her life(also uses pictures and so on),

I intend to create torrents for these movies too.

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 07, 2009, 02:04:08 PM
Ok, thank you very much, I want to watch it anyway
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on August 07, 2009, 03:11:49 PM
On another note, do you perhaps have anything that deals with Charlote and Maximilian? I would need some footage of Max's execution in a video on Sisi but have nothing better, besides the musical. Juarez with Bette Davis would be such a great watch... But ahh, that's another topic.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 07, 2009, 06:49:06 PM
I would like to help you, but I just have seen a mexican movie abot them, it wasn't good, and I couldn't
find any information on the net. :-(
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: aor on August 08, 2009, 06:33:55 AM
On another note, do you perhaps have anything that deals with Charlote and Maximilian? I would need some footage of Max's execution in a video on Sisi but have nothing better, besides the musical. Juarez with Bette Davis would be such a great watch... But ahh, that's another topic.


The 'Juarez' movie is available through Amazon.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on August 08, 2009, 09:15:53 AM
Yes, on VHS it is. But no DVD so far. Such a pitty as those old movies are always great to watch
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 09, 2009, 06:07:12 AM
i want that movie of 1972 :D is it on dvd?
or can anyone help me get it?

and another movie with mijou kovacs or something..playing elisabeth..its on youtube a little piece.. i want that one as well can anyone help me?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on September 09, 2009, 09:16:15 AM
I am going to put the movie on Elisabeth from 1972 in a torrent. As for the movie with mijou kovacs I know only the next: It is a Hungarian movie on the Mayerling Tragedy and clearly starts out when Rudolf is rather young. I've been in touch with someone who has seen it and she gave me a  the Hungarian title, which is "A trónörökös", and so I found a site to the DVD, which is only in Hungarian. I'll copy the link to the DVD on here and I'll upload "Elisabeth" and "Kronprinz Rudolfs Letzte  Liebe" as soon as I am able to do so.

"A trónörökös": http://www.netpiac.hu/display/index.phtml?do=termek&termek_id=27578

If someone would be able to order - I don't understand Hungarian - and put it onto a torrent, I think many would be grateful.

I'll work on the torrents for the other movies.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 09, 2009, 03:39:04 PM
I am going to put the movie on Elisabeth from 1972 in a torrent. As for the movie with mijou kovacs I know only the next: It is a Hungarian movie on the Mayerling Tragedy and clearly starts out when Rudolf is rather young. I've been in touch with someone who has seen it and she gave me a  the Hungarian title, which is "A trónörökös", and so I found a site to the DVD, which is only in Hungarian. I'll copy the link to the DVD on here and I'll upload "Elisabeth" and "Kronprinz Rudolfs Letzte  Liebe" as soon as I am able to do so.

"A trónörökös": http://www.netpiac.hu/display/index.phtml?do=termek&termek_id=27578

If someone would be able to order - I don't understand Hungarian - and put it onto a torrent, I think many would be grateful.

I'll work on the torrents for the other movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ3vnlRHFEY

dthats the link from youtube its about the movie where mijou kovacs is playing elisabeth but it is  in german..not hungarian.

is the kronprinz rudols letzte liebe the last movie about him where max von thun playes Rudolf ?

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on September 10, 2009, 01:57:21 PM
is the kronprinz rudols letzte liebe the last movie about him where max von thun playes Rudolf ?

Kronprinz Rudolfs Letzte Liebe is a movie from 1956. The story begins when the tragedy has already occured. We witness the burial of Mary and the funeral of Rudolf, then we go back to Rudolf and Mary's first meeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ3vnlRHFEY

dthats the link from youtube its about the movie where mijou kovacs is playing elisabeth but it is  in german..not hungarian.

Yes, I know. I messaged the person who posted it - this clip is from a documentary- and she said to have seen the movie, in Hungarian, and that it is available to buy online. But sadly only in Hungarian.

Woule love to see this movie too.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 10, 2009, 07:35:09 PM
An actor as Franz Joseph... Do you know who is he? Do you know something about that movie?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PhRX_dvJc1k/SZy9h_WgRfI/AAAAAAAAA3U/qK7o6fR1-AM/s320/sissi1bis.jpg)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 11, 2009, 08:16:27 AM
He seems familiar to me, if I'm not confusing him with another actor, I think that he is from a theatrical representation...but I'm not sure...
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on September 12, 2009, 02:50:09 PM
I only know a book about Empress Carlotta. I have not read it yet. It is called "De Waanzin van Charlotte" translated as "The Madness of Charlotte" which is a Belgian biograpy on her, since she was a Belgian Princess by birth.

Also I just noticed that TCM is currently airing "Juarez".

Is anyone able to record it and put it into a torrent or something...

I have TCM, but "Juarez" only seems to play in the US and not on the European channel of TCM.

Here is the link:
http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title.jsp?stid=245
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 13, 2009, 11:09:01 AM
Thank you I'll read it as soon as i can, thanks that it has been translated to English because
I don't understand Garman ;-)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 13, 2009, 11:13:53 AM
Can you give me the name of the actor that you think that he is? It doesn't care if he isn't, I can
investigate if he is or no... advanced thanks
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 13, 2009, 11:19:47 AM
Can you give me the name of the actor that you think that he is? It doesn't care if he isn't, I can
investigate if he is or no... advanced thanks

Unfortunately I don't know the name, I'm sorry, his face seems familiar to me because I'm almost sure that I have already seem him somewhere, actually I think that I'm not confusing him with another actor.

What I'd like to know is if he is from a movie or a theatrical representation...

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 13, 2009, 11:49:27 AM
Thank you anyway

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on September 13, 2009, 01:00:26 PM
Sadly I don't recognise him. I'll try to find out something, but I don't think I can come up with something.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on September 13, 2009, 01:02:20 PM
I don't think it is available in English, since it is written by a Belgian author.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on September 13, 2009, 01:13:31 PM
I believe he is not famous as actor...and thats why we don't know him.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Princess Susan on September 14, 2009, 03:31:35 AM
An actor as Franz Joseph... Do you know who is he? Do you know something about that movie?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PhRX_dvJc1k/SZy9h_WgRfI/AAAAAAAAA3U/qK7o6fR1-AM/s320/sissi1bis.jpg)

The picture is from french movie "Sissi, l'impératrice rebelle" (2004). And the name of actor is Frédéric van den Driessche.
You can find additional info on: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368972/

And Some videos on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mJDTf_jZAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJfeOlC6uc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPiK33nooW8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5INdaAL3N8Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YoDsxTSEBE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBjdMOOQsDw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5QlU6rJNJE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvFQe2gelfA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIcF5_-9iNk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cz-ijh3hHQ&feature=related

I saw the film 4 years ago, unfortunately I found it not very realistic :-(.
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Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 14, 2009, 05:05:07 AM
Oh thank you very much Princess Susan!...so it's a movie and not a theatrical representation, I will watch it and I will tell what I think about it...and it is in my language!  :), thank you for the links!
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on September 14, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
I have that movie and did not recognise him... Dear, dear.
I must admit though that I have not seen it yet.

Too much dramatisation, but closer to history then the Trilogy with Romy.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 14, 2009, 06:21:18 PM
Thank you very much for the information Princess Susan!! :-)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 14, 2009, 06:22:22 PM
Sad :-( But thank you anyway
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 14, 2009, 07:07:31 PM
http://www.musik-wien.at/downloads_pics/konzertagentur_trojan_hofball.jpg (http://www.musik-wien.at/downloads_pics/konzertagentur_trojan_hofball.jpg)
I think that is from a theatrical representation
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Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on September 15, 2009, 09:47:04 AM
Yes, probably it's from a theatrical representation...I'm curious to know from which theatrical representation exactly...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 15, 2009, 05:56:31 PM
Yes, probably it's from a theatrical representation...I'm curious to know from which theatrical representation exactly...

I would like to know it too... If soemone knows please would you tell it to us here?
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 15, 2009, 06:37:53 PM
(http://www.sisifranz.com/wp-content/03_eli_galerie_31.jpg)

I'm not sure if it is from the austrian musical about the Empress Sissi
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on September 16, 2009, 01:38:57 PM
It is from Elisabeth but I can't say which production it is...
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 22, 2009, 04:33:07 AM
thats from the production of Essen or Berlin if i remember good..i may be wrong..but its for sure on of the german Productions
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 22, 2009, 07:07:51 PM
I thought that it was an Austrian musical, but perhaps it is German as Sissi said before
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 23, 2009, 02:35:55 AM
it is an austrian musical where it had his premiere in 1992 but the picture is from on of the germans production...
the musical also was in the netherlands, japan, hungaria, sweden(if im corect), belgium and some more countrys i believe
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 23, 2009, 03:27:02 PM
it is an austrian musical where it had his premiere in 1992 but the picture is from on of the germans production...
the musical also was in the netherlands, japan, hungaria, sweden(if im corect), belgium and some more countrys i believe
Thanks for the specification, I thought that were two different musicals
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 24, 2009, 01:43:39 AM
Your welcome, its just the same musical but in other countries!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 24, 2009, 08:01:36 PM
I knew about a musical or something like this a few years ago in Triete, Italy
Do you know something about it??
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 25, 2009, 04:29:07 AM
unfortunatly not... i didnt knew it was there 2.
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Post by: Princess of Cupertino on September 25, 2009, 04:40:40 AM
yea, probably

Back to the topic:p

I made a little musicvideo to the Crown Prince - Son of Sisi, based on the life of her son Rudolf, Sisi is not a part of this video but I thought some of you might like it It centers around Rudolf and Mary's relationship, about how its doomed to end in tragedy. Their love was so pure that it killed them, or that's how the video portray's it.

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXfa1KzTfBg

In this minserie Sandra Ceccarelli plays the Empress Elisabeth, Sisi, of Austria-Hungary.


I just watched "the Crown Prince" and liked Ceccarelli's Elisabeth very much. She resembled the empress in looks and portrayed her emotions quite accurately.
(http://ujember.katolikus.hu/Archivum/2006.06.25/1101.jpg)
Sandra Ceccarelli as Sisi and Klaus Maria Brandauer Emperor Franz Joseph
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 26, 2009, 03:45:58 PM
About the photo below:
The actor don't look like real FJ
The actress looks like an older Sissi, I don't know but her face make me to remeber the paintings
of a maturer Empress Sissi. Incredible dress, I liked it very much.
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Post by: Silja on September 27, 2009, 10:24:28 AM
(http://www.sisifranz.com/wp-content/03_eli_galerie_31.jpg)

I'm not sure if it is from the austrian musical about the Empress Sissi

It is from the Essen production, with great Gabriele Ramm as Archduchess Sophie in the background.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 28, 2009, 03:58:14 PM
Are you refferring to the lady with the red dress? She looks older than the others, perhaps good for
being the Archduchess Sophie
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 29, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
i think the one who played archduchess sophie in the netherlands really looked like the real sophie!
here a short movie of Sophie in the dutch Elisabeth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JegB4VPlcQE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JegB4VPlcQE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy56xZlylOQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy56xZlylOQ)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on September 29, 2009, 01:45:04 PM
Yep, it is from the Dutch production.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 29, 2009, 01:52:15 PM
I've read that there is a hungarian movie about Sissi, Do you know something about it?
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 30, 2009, 03:45:46 AM
Yep, it is from the Dutch production.
i know thats what i said :p
i just think she looks alot like the real sophie
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 30, 2009, 09:51:50 AM
i just think she looks alot like the real sophie
That's true ;-)
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Post by: Silja on October 01, 2009, 02:03:29 PM
Are you refferring to the lady with the red dress?

Yes.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 01, 2009, 02:06:31 PM
Is that scene that I posted the one of the ball when FJ asked her for become his wife? Or is it just
a scene of a common ball?
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Post by: Silja on October 01, 2009, 02:34:15 PM
Is that scene that I posted the one of the ball when FJ asked her for become his wife? Or is it just
a scene of a common ball?

It is the scene of the wedding ball, and the song is "Der Letzte Tanz" (The Last Dance).
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 01, 2009, 02:36:59 PM
Thank you very much Silja :-)
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Post by: Rani on October 18, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
Marisa Mell
(http://i35.tinypic.com/epknrs.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2009, 03:41:38 PM
She looked more like Sophia Loren than Sisi....
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 18, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
It is the movie with Marisa Mell I intend to upload, together with "Kronprinz Rudols Letzte Liebe" in which Lil Dagover plays the Empress. Also I recently saw the dvd of "Rudolf - Affaire Mayerling", a great musical, and completely different from "Elisabeth". It shows Rudolfs struggle for more freedom and a better world, it shows his bad relationship with his father and wife. Of course it ends with a romantic tragedy when Rudolf dies together with Mary Vetsera. I must say I liked the fact that, like Elisabeth, some of the costumes were based on actual dresses, gowns and uniforms.

I am looking for a certain movie called "A trónörökös" about Mayerling. It is a movie in Hungarian and the pictures show actors who do resemble their characters. Also I heard it goes beyond the tragedy and shows what happened after and also few moments from Rudolf's childhood.

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/14794.jpg)
Cover

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Rudi.jpg)
István Hirtling as Crown Prince Rudolf

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Mary.jpg)
Adél Kováts as Mary Vetsera

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Franz.jpg)
Alfred Reiterer as Emperor Franz Joseph

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/Elisabeth.jpg)
Mijou Kovacs as Empress Elisabeth

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/RudolfMary.jpg)
Rudolf and Mary

If anyone would be able to upload this movie for a greater audience, I would be really grateful.

Also I finally finished my video's on Empress Elisabeth. It Features Romy Schneider, Maya Hakvort, Pia Douwes, Marisa Mell and others as the Empress.

Empress Elisabeth of Austria, A Perfect Life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Tzu-W2U4k
Empress Elisabeth of Austria, If I Had My Way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cNXWPQFQhA
Empress Elisabeth of Austria, The Heart Is Slow To Learn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkWwWWZXGwM

I hope you like them. It took quite some time to get these done, hope to get some nice comments :)


I Will try to get "Elisabeth - Kaiserin Von Österich" and "Kronprinz Rudolfs Letzte Liebe" online during the next week.
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 19, 2009, 02:10:46 PM
i want that movie 2 that imperial grounds is searching!!

i saw a little piece of it on youtube!!

wonder where i can buy it!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2009, 03:04:59 PM
Is the Hungarian DVD available for purchase ?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 19, 2009, 03:33:22 PM
Yes, it is on Hungarian sites but sadly no German audiotrack and it turned out I can't buy it from there(as I have no visa-card)

link: http://www.divido.hu/index.phtml?op=product&product_id=17138

It seems to be good.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2009, 03:38:12 PM
Thanks I might just get it...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 20, 2009, 12:44:04 PM
Oooh my...

That would be so amazing :-[

Thank you
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2009, 12:51:39 PM
Thanksagain for the info.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 20, 2009, 02:33:57 PM
Thank you very much for the information, links and of course, the photos... :-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2009, 03:29:31 PM
I wonder if they will have a French or English production about Sisi's life soon ?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 21, 2009, 01:06:43 AM
There is a French production, from 2004, and soon there will be the new miniseries. As for an English or Hollywood-production I have no idea. I only heard rumors that Catherine Zeta-Jones and Tom Hanks are to star as Sisi and Franz in a new production.
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Post by: Princess Susan on October 21, 2009, 03:26:49 AM
I am looking for a certain movie called "A trónörökös" about Mayerling. It is a movie in Hungarian and the pictures show actors who do resemble their characters. Also I heard it goes beyond the tragedy and shows what happened after and also few moments from Rudolf's childhood.

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/daysfan-be/14794.jpg)
Cover



It looks like interesting movie. Thanks for info! Especialy the actor who played Rudolf looks very real. Bud other actors seem to be ok too.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 21, 2009, 08:55:26 AM
Hope to see the French one soon...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 21, 2009, 09:56:29 AM
I have it in Russian...

Quite dramatic, much too dramatised, but mostly correct. I used it in my video's.
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Post by: aor on October 21, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
was there not a snippet on Utube that was in German??
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 21, 2009, 11:27:41 AM
I believe there is an Italian version on Youtube, but not German. Of course I could be wrong.
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Post by: aor on October 21, 2009, 03:58:28 PM
Let me see if I can find it. It is just a short piece. If I find it, I'll link it.
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Post by: aor on October 21, 2009, 05:00:30 PM
Here is the snippet I saw on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ3vnlRHFEY

The narrator speaks German, but so does the actress. I am hoping there is a German version out there
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 22, 2009, 12:58:29 AM
That's from the Hungarian movie. I am hoping too for a German version but I highly doubt there is one out there since it is only released in Hungy on dvd.
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Post by: aor on October 22, 2009, 07:26:58 AM
Not fair......;) I was hoping as the snippet is spoken in German.
On the Hungarian DVD is there the possibillity to play it in a different language?? Would love to see it.
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 22, 2009, 07:30:54 AM
That's from the Hungarian movie. I am hoping too for a German version but I highly doubt there is one out there since it is only released in Hungy on dvd.

but the piece i saw of it in youtube was in german so probably there is a version in german
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Post by: aor on October 22, 2009, 09:02:14 AM
That's from the Hungarian movie. I am hoping too for a German version but I highly doubt there is one out there since it is only released in Hungy on dvd.

but the piece i saw of it in youtube was in german so probably there is a version in german

thank you! that was what I was thinking......
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 22, 2009, 10:10:15 AM
Well, we will see when someone is able to buy this dvd or to put this movie online.
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Post by: aor on October 22, 2009, 11:15:18 AM
I might have the answer.....
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0468252/

From what I gather off the IMDB site is it was a TV movie made in 1989. Perhaps it's not Hungarian after all..... just the TV series in Hungarian...
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 22, 2009, 01:39:55 PM
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ3vnlRHFEY)

here it is in german a piece of that movie
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
Cannot open it...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 26, 2009, 03:24:05 PM
I don't even see a link
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Post by: Princess of Cupertino on October 27, 2009, 06:59:55 AM
Found this on youtube. The lead dancers seem to be Franz Josef and Sissi (judging from the stars in her hair)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG-kLDAj8mc
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2009, 03:59:01 PM
Yes. It seems to signify their first dance togather. In reality, Franz Josef already fell for Sisi the day before. In the first ball, Sisi was dressed in a pink ball dress with a diamond arrow on her head (Nene was dressed in white).
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 11, 2009, 02:18:37 PM
Well, I have some news to share with you all...

I am keeping in touch with someone I know and we are doing a little trade. I was asked to send out a few of my 'Sisi'-related movies and in return I am to get the next things:
Sisi: Engimatic Empress(documentary, the dvd includes the silent movie from 1921)
Mayerling: The Royal Ballet
Sissi, L'Imperatrice Rebelle(In French this time)

When I get those in, you'll all hear more about it. Also I am to get a better copy of Kronprinz Rudolfs Letzte Liebe, so that will be in a torrent as I get it(promised)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 11, 2009, 09:29:30 PM
Thanks for sharting. Just got Visconti's "Ludwig", It is nice to see the whole family of Sisi represented.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 12, 2009, 09:31:56 AM
Ohh, Viscotin's "Ludwig" is a real masterpiece. Historical truth, wonderful costumes, great setting, great music. One does not need more at all.
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Post by: aor on November 12, 2009, 10:26:26 AM
Ohh, Viscotin's "Ludwig" is a real masterpiece. Historical truth, wonderful costumes, great setting, great music. One does not need more at all.

Yes, so agree with you!! Loved Romy Schneider as Empress Elisabeth of Austria, such a more factual portrayal of her!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2009, 10:59:29 AM
Indeed. She was "Sisi" to a generation of people and did have her elegance. I love it that Sophie, Nene, Mathilde, Marie, Ludovika, Max and Theodor made it into the movie.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 12, 2009, 11:26:48 AM
is this movie in english?
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Post by: THERRY on November 12, 2009, 11:28:57 AM
Ohh, Viscotin's "Ludwig" is a real masterpiece. Historical truth, wonderful costumes, great setting, great music. One does not need more at all.
I agree wth You !!!!!!!!!! (http://i38.tinypic.com/29bgh0z.jpg) i love all of this wonderful film
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Post by: aor on November 12, 2009, 12:59:36 PM
They both are such beautiful actors!!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 12, 2009, 02:01:21 PM
I agree with you Therry ;-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2009, 03:16:17 PM
Hard to find another to play Sisi. They all dawft when compared to Romy.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 12, 2009, 05:09:33 PM
I really think that Romy was prettier then Sissi.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2009, 05:10:59 PM
Well...Ava Gardner had the glamour although wrong body type. I think Winnola Ryder could play her.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 13, 2009, 09:33:04 AM
There are still rumors that Catherine-Zeta Jones and Tom Hanks are to play Sisi in Franz in,what is to be the first, a Holywood-production on her life(ofcourse there have been Hollywood-movies on her before, but this could be a chance that they cut out on the 'early romance' and move to Sisi's tragedy)

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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 13, 2009, 12:11:25 PM
Do you know something about this movie with Katherine Zeta Jones??
I read about it two years ago, but I don't know what happened, if it is really
going to be made... any idea??
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 13, 2009, 04:06:21 PM
Tom Hanks as FJ !!!! I think not ! He already ruined the Dan Brown series. It would be like Foresst Gump playing Prince charming. Actually I think Catherine is better as Maria Sofia, she had more spunk.
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 13, 2009, 04:18:38 PM
im watching a movie now with Sandra bullock and when i look at her...i see some of the same features as in sisis fase...and she is a great actress 2...can be verry funny and very dramatic and serious...
i think she would be a good Elisabeth...
or Rachel Weisz..
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 14, 2009, 01:31:59 PM
A mini-serieson the whole family would be entertaining.
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Post by: historylover on November 17, 2009, 06:11:27 PM
It would be entertaining.  They're a very interesting and rather odd lot!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2009, 06:58:44 PM
Yes I am afraid.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on November 21, 2009, 08:11:41 AM
What always was fascinating to me is the fact that Rudolf was really like his mother, he had all her ways of thinking and had himself a deal of 'odd habbits', like his mother, and both they were fascinated by the idea of death.

A miniseries would be great, following the reign of Franz from the Revolt in 1848 up to his death, or the death of Elisabeth. Also a dramatic series, like the Tudors, would be great to see - if it would have some historical accuracy - or even a documentary series on the Habsburg reign(like Russia: Land of the Tsars)
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 21, 2009, 08:24:33 AM
i agree with you imperial grounds...
it would be better then the over romantic movies
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2009, 12:38:56 PM
Yes. The problem is that can it make money...movies are expensive to shoot.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 21, 2009, 03:54:13 PM
I really would liek to see the kind of series that you're mentioning below, they would be
more objective than silly love stories, well, just a point of view
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Post by: Princess Susan on November 22, 2009, 02:09:52 AM
Well, I would appreciate such miniseries a lot too. Unfortunately the filmmakers rather prefer silly love stories instead of historical accurate movies. Propably they want in this way catch more audience.:-(
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Post by: aor on November 22, 2009, 01:42:25 PM
I do think it would be possible to make a mini series that was highly successful as long as they pay attention to the historical facts known. The movie Ludwig was great because not only did it adhere fairly close to the facts, it's costumes and settings were elaborate and a joy to watch. There is enough 'fluff' out there, just bring something real to the screen! The good, the bad AND the ugly!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 23, 2009, 02:12:48 PM
Perhaps is more difficult to present some historical characters as they were in real life, many
of this stories are a little bit idealised, I think that would be better to present them as they were
in real life ;-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2009, 04:37:41 PM
We need someone like Visnonti to bring it to the screen.
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Post by: historylover on November 28, 2009, 09:47:02 PM
Visconti! That would be wonderful, I agree.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2009, 12:12:38 PM
The problem is who can or want to take on this project.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 30, 2009, 07:06:40 PM
Didn't you hear about a German movie that didn't  finish, they wanted to make justice to Sissi, but
they exagerated a little bit presenting Franz Joseph as extremely old man and Sissi as a... lesbian?
the producers decided to leave it. Do you know who were the actors?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2009, 10:19:09 AM
Franzi an old man ??? Sisi a lesbian ??? That is going too far. Glad the producers and letting it go. No point to seeing filth on the screen. I think the most exciting time in Sisi's life was her involvement in Hungary's establishment as the equal partner in the duel monarchy. She was greatly beloved in Hungary.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 03, 2009, 01:42:50 PM
They exaggerate with the movies, or so silly and naive or a lesbian!!! Poor!!!!
The producers decided to finish with it because they didn't want to destroy Sissi's image, you
know she is an icon in Austria. Would be interesting to see a movie of this stage of her life
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2009, 05:56:54 PM
Yes. Sisi was a bit in love with Andrassy, and they both worked on Franz Josef on the creation of self rule by the Hungarians. It would be a good movie on that subject alone.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 04, 2009, 12:07:51 PM
Indeed true, I'm sure that it would be a good idea for a new movie or serie about
the Empress Sissi
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 04, 2009, 04:40:30 PM
Maybe Hungarian TV can do something with this...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 05, 2009, 04:57:16 PM
How are the hungarian movies about Sissi? I've heard that there are a few (exactly I don't know how many),
I haven't had the opportunity to see them
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2009, 05:36:01 PM
Anybody knows of any ?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 07, 2009, 02:44:01 PM
I just got 'Der Kronprinz', which is in Hungarian(it really is an Hungarian movie), and it is historically one of the most correct I've ever seen. We see Elisabeth's struggle to give Rudolf a liberal education, we see the events that lead to Mayerling, the aftermath, Mary's burial and that of Rudolf. It really is great, and for once the acotrs really resemble the characters. My Hungarian friend is working on subtitles, so when I have these I will see to put it into a torrent.

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 07, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
Quite accurate in historical terms. Made in 70's in BBC soundstage with secenes shot at some of the grand Heritage homes in England as foreign palaces.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 08, 2009, 09:53:40 AM
You mean 'Fall of Eagles'? I adore that series, the acting might be not as good as today's standard but still it is a wonderful series.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 08, 2009, 04:07:01 PM
Yes. I saw the whole series. They should do an update now since most of the location shoots areavailable.
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Post by: aor on December 08, 2009, 08:31:39 PM
I just got 'Der Kronprinz', which is in Hungarian(it really is an Hungarian movie), and it is historically one of the most correct I've ever seen. We see Elisabeth's struggle to give Rudolf a liberal education, we see the events that lead to Mayerling, the aftermath, Mary's burial and that of Rudolf. It really is great, and for once the acotrs really resemble the characters. My Hungarian friend is working on subtitles, so when I have these I will see to put it into a torrent.



May I ask where you found it?? Have been looking, but not finding......
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Post by: Anastasia Spalko on December 08, 2009, 09:09:03 PM
I'm new on this topic, haven't had time to read it, but all i can say is I saw "Lissi und der Kaiser wilde," and I felt sorry for Sissi though I was laughing my head off.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 08, 2009, 09:37:09 PM
Love to know more about the Hungarian movie...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 09, 2009, 02:18:04 PM
As for the Hungarian movie: I will post it on here, in a torrent, as soon as I have the subtitles.

Now here is a new list of movies:

Elisabeth: Enigma of an Empress:
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This documentary tells the story of Elisabeth's life and murder. It is not a real chronicle of her life but tells about what kept her going and how her character was. Also it has rare footage from the silent movies "Kaiserin Elisabeth" and "Das Shicksal Derer Habsbur".

Documentary is in English.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5206316/Elisabeth__Enigma_of_an_Empress

Kaiserin Elisabeth
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This docudrama tells the story of Empress Elisabeth of Austria. It tells about her marriage with Emperer Franz Joseph, her strugle to free Hungary, the hold her mother-in-law had over her marriage, the tragic death of her son and her own assassination.

This docudrama is filmed at the actual places and gives a historical correct image of the Empress Elisabeth.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5206322/Kaiserin_Elisabeth(1973)

Sissi, L'Imperatrice Rebelle:
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Days before her assassination Empress Elisabeth visits doctor Mayer and tells him the story of her life. She tells him about her early marriage, her strugle for her children and the relationship with her husband and mother-in-law. She tells him about her fight for Hungary and her love of traveling; but she also tells about the tragedy in her life. She talks about her cousin Ludwig, her brother-in-law Maximilian, her sister Sophie and about her son Rudolf and his end with Mary Vetsera. We also see Elisabeth in her final days untill she is chosen by fate to die at the hands of Luigi Lucheni.

This movie has several little mistakes, but overall it is historically good. Yet there is a big dramatisation in this(for instance Elisabeth finds Rudolf and Mary at Mayerling), the actors did not resemble their characters and they did not film at the actual locations. The whole movie was shot in Russia. It is wonderfully filmed though and has wonderful costumes.

The movie is in French, without subtitle.
If anyone is willing to make them, feel free.   

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5206366/Sissi__L_Imperatrice_Rebelle   

Kronprinz Rudolfs Letzte Liebe:
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Kronprinz Rudolfs Letzte liebe tells the story of Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria-Hungary and his last mistress Mary Vetsera.

The movie starts with the funeral of Crown Prince Rudolf and then moves on to Heiligenkreuz, the graveyard where Mary Vetsera is buried, there we see the grieving mother who is confronted by a visit of the Empress. Mary's mother tells about Mary's burial and how she was found. Then we go in flashback to octber of 1888. Back to the night when Rudolf and Mary first met...

This movie also shows a good portrayal of Rudolf, who is a depressed and sad man. He finds courage and the will to live in his love for Mary. Yet it is not meant to be.   

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5206336/Kronprinz_Rudofs_Letzte_Liebe(1956)   

Royal Ballet - Mayerling:
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This is a ballet based on the events surrounding the tragedy fo Mayerling.

The ballet starts with Mary Vetsera's burial and then moves on to 1881, back to the wedding of Rudolf and Stephanie. After the ballet we see how Rudolf is being pushed to choose for Hungary's freedom. At the wedding-night it becomes clear how different Rudolf and Stephanie are. Then we move to 1888. Rudolf and Mary meet at a tavern and Mary is taken by his charm. Countess Marie Larisch finds a way to bring the two together and so the tragedy unfolds.

What I liked was that they used several little things know to historians and how every actor resembled the real person. Also I liked the quote from Mary near the end and the information you get on the aftermath and how everyone involved lived after it.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5206345/Royal_Ballet__Mayerling

Le Secret De Mayerling:
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Le Secret De Mayerling(The Secret of Mayerling)

Directed by Jean Dellanoy
Jean Marais as Crown Prince Rudolf
Dominique Blanchar as Marie Vetsera
Jean Debucourt as Emperor Franz Joseph
Marguerite Jamois as Empress Elisabeth


The world will never know what really happened at Mayerling, the Imperial Hunting Lodge of Crown Prince Rudolf. We were told it was a romantic tragedy but this movie portrays it quite different.

When the movie begins the tragedy has already happened. We witness the burial of Mary Vetsera and see the funeral procession held for the Crown Prince. Soon we go back in time and we witness the depressed Crown Prince falling in love with the young Mary Vetsera. As the end comes near we are told that the tragedy was no suicide-pact but a political assassination.

The movie is in French, without subtitles.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5001136/Le_Secret_De_Mayerling(1949)

If anyone is willing to subtitle the french movies, I'd be really grateful. Am dying to know what they actually are saying, I only understand a little bit.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 09, 2009, 06:56:24 PM
Maybe an index of the movies would be nice.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 10, 2009, 11:30:42 AM
Maybe we could get a new thread, or ask a mod to create an index. Don't know.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
That is a good idea. Let me start then.

Sisi in English films or TV.

Mayerling (also in French) with Ava Gardner, James Mason and Omar Shariff (with Catherine Denervne)
Fall of Eagles. BBC Production.
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Post by: Silja on December 10, 2009, 03:41:05 PM
The new Austro-Italo-GermanTV film will finally show next week:

http://sisi.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/19/0,1872,7943379,00.html?dr=1
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2009, 07:00:59 PM
Wow !Thanks for the news.
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Post by: Princess Susan on December 11, 2009, 02:59:13 AM
The Tv film is going to show also on austrian Tv- ORF2 on 16. and 20.12: http://tv.orf.at/program/orf2/20091216/466636701/
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Post by: aor on December 11, 2009, 07:40:49 AM
In the US I don't believe we will ever see it....... :'(
Is there someone that could tape this for me and send it?? More then happy to reimburse any and all cost of shipping, time and material. I do have a multi region DVD player, so watching it is not a problem.
PM me if you could do this for me.

thanks.
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Post by: Rani on December 11, 2009, 11:46:02 AM
Sophie (Martina Gedeck) and Ludovika (Licia Maglietta)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/ndugex.jpg)


Maglietta is older than Gedeck, but in this movie Maglietta plays the younger sister?!
(Licia is more pretty!)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 11, 2009, 02:35:57 PM
Thanks. The costume and jewelry looked nice.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 12, 2009, 07:49:24 AM
I hope it will have the same quality "The Crown Prince" has. That series is amazing, it has the best portrayal of Rudolf and the events surrounding his life. It has some dramatic inventions but other than that i've never seen a better movie. I hope this series on Sisi will be a correct one, with not too much romantic inventions - even though I fear it won't, since the actors do not resemble the characters at all.

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Post by: Rani on December 12, 2009, 10:38:40 AM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2d6r438.jpg)

Charlotte (Frederica de Cola) and the dead Maximilian (Xaver Hutter).


It´s a pity, that the real Maximilian looked awful, when he was dead. Poor Charlotte and Sophie were horrified.
Maximilian wanted to be embalm in Austria, but the embalming was in Mexico, and they did it terrible.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2009, 10:57:01 AM
well...the romantized version.
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Post by: Silja on December 12, 2009, 01:23:57 PM
I hope it will have the same quality "The Crown Prince" has. That series is amazing, it has the best portrayal of Rudolf and the events surrounding his life. It has some dramatic inventions but other than that i've never seen a better movie. I hope this series on Sisi will be a correct one, with not too much romantic inventions - even though I fear it won't, since the actors do not resemble the characters at all.



No, indeed. The cast do not resemble the real people much. What I really fear is that the film will once more give a very one sided and biased portrait of Archduchess Sophie as the mother-in-law from hell who allegedly never wanted Elisabeth as empress in the first place.
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Post by: Rani on December 12, 2009, 03:20:52 PM
I think so, too. It would be better if they make a movie about Sophie. Maybe the people understand her more.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 12, 2009, 04:26:17 PM
I like the images of this movie, new totally for me, although I agree that the actors don't look
like the real characters, specially this that is playing Maximilian, when I saw it after reading the
explanation I thought in several persons less Maximilian
thanks for the info of the Hungarian movie ;-)
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Post by: Rani on December 13, 2009, 01:05:09 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/3957168MRum1fCz2O6_eLuS_9LWpLPsl_dc.jpg) (http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/3957167MRum1fCz2O6_eLuS_9LWpLPsl_dc.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/3957166MRum1fCz2O6_eLuS_9LWpLPsl_dc.jpg)
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/3957169XB00mCbTxtvd3yGEDDd3jBV85gIW.jpg) (http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/3957165XB00mCbTxtvd3yGEDDd3jBV85gIW.jpg)

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Post by: Rani on December 13, 2009, 01:11:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taIKlx-uG80
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2009, 07:45:05 PM
Thanks for the link.
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Post by: Rani on December 17, 2009, 08:55:12 AM
Today the movie starts on the German TV and Austrian Tv. I hope it´s good!!
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 17, 2009, 10:22:10 AM
Today the movie starts on the German TV and Austrian Tv. I hope it´s good!!

The first part of the new Sisi movie has already been broadcasted yesterday on ORF (Austrian television). I liked it, but the director Xaver Schwarzenberger couldn't keep his promise to stick to political and historical facts. The young Italian actress who portrayed Elisabeth did a good job, but nevertheless, the character of the empress was shown in a very exaggerating way. We all know that Elisabeth was unconventional, headstrong and didn't agree with the rules at the Austrian court, but in the movie these features are definitely overdone. A lot of scenes were invented (for example: Elisabeth met Andrassy shortly after Sophie's birth in Possenofen) and far-fetched (for example: Elisabeth and Franz spent the night after their wedding somewhere in the gardens of Schönbrunn). Besides, the movie focused on the relationship between Elisabeth and Sophie - in short: good vs. bad.
There were also scenes that reminded me of the Sissi movies: Elisabeth's escape to Possenhofen, the scene in the opera in Milano, the couple in awe of the beautiful Hungarian landscape while being in a carriage, etc. The only negative person is again Sophie. Schwarzenberger kept his picture of the archduchess very close to the one of the Sissi movies, which is a pity.
Anyway, the dresses are amazing!! :-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2009, 10:25:35 AM
I hope it would be available in DVD some day.

Well...we always need a villian or villianess in the story, and Archduchess Sofie fill the task as the Wicked Witch.
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Post by: Rani on December 17, 2009, 12:36:52 PM
Today the movie starts on the German TV and Austrian Tv. I hope it´s good!!

The first part of the new Sisi movie has already been broadcasted yesterday on ORF (Austrian television). I liked it, but the director Xaver Schwarzenberger couldn't keep his promise to stick to political and historical facts. The young Italian actress who portrayed Elisabeth did a good job, but nevertheless, the character of the empress was shown in a very exaggerating way. We all know that Elisabeth was unconventional, headstrong and didn't agree with the rules at the Austrian court, but in the movie these features are definitely overdone. A lot of scenes were invented (for example: Elisabeth met Andrassy shortly after Sophie's birth in Possenofen) and far-fetched (for example: Elisabeth and Franz spent the night after their wedding somewhere in the gardens of Schönbrunn). Besides, the movie focused on the relationship between Elisabeth and Sophie - in short: good vs. bad.
There were also scenes that reminded me of the Sissi movies: Elisabeth's escape to Possenhofen, the scene in the opera in Milano, the couple in awe of the beautiful Hungarian landscape while being in a carriage, etc. The only negative person is again Sophie. Schwarzenberger kept his picture of the archduchess very close to the one of the Sissi movies, which is a pity.
Anyway, the dresses are amazing!! :-)

Ah, thanks!
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Post by: Rani on December 17, 2009, 12:37:48 PM
I hope it would be available in DVD some day.

Well...we always need a villian or villianess in the story, and Archduchess Sofie fill the task as the Wicked Witch.

http://www.amazon.de/Sisi-Cristiana-Capotondi/dp/B002USOW8G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1261075035&sr=8-1
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Post by: aor on December 17, 2009, 12:44:13 PM
Rani, thanks for the link!!
I ordered it !!!!!Thank Goodness for multi plan DVD players.......Can't wait to get it.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2009, 12:55:43 PM
Is that the same one still playing on German & Austrian TV ? The DVD is out already ?
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Post by: Rani on December 17, 2009, 01:27:52 PM
Is that the same one still playing on German & Austrian TV ? The DVD is out already ?

Yes, ths is the movie.
The DVD is available on January 2010.
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Post by: aor on December 17, 2009, 02:06:03 PM
According to Amazon.de, I should have this in my hands on January 8.....express International Delivery. I have ordered from Amazon.uk, but was never able to order from Amazon.de. This time, NO problem!! Ohhhh, can't wait to start looking around for books and other DVD's..... :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2009, 02:13:12 PM
I wonder how many parts it has. Is it like a mini-series ? The DVD covers everything right ? I wonder if they have sub-titles for us non-Germans.
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Post by: Rani on December 17, 2009, 03:12:45 PM
I saw now part I. And I must say, that the Romy movies are better.
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on December 17, 2009, 03:17:46 PM
sunday will be the last part on the german tv on ZDF...dont know when that will be on austrian television.
i found the dresses pretty loved it!! and i found it cool this movie you see her first child sophie die..made me cry to be honnest.
its more based on reality than the 50 movies but also to much stuff made up to make it more "romantic" or something.
but the scene from the 50s with the ball on franz birthday when he asked sisi to ask for mariage was more closer to the truth than how it went in this movie.
i was anoyed by some scenes when they did alot of wrong on the truth like Marie Charlotte said.
nevertheless its worth watching!!
i need to say i think this is as good as the romy schneider pieces..its also reminded me of it in some scenes... and the german voice of sisi also reminded me as the romy schneider voice.
to bad the movie has 2 parts and as ending (the same as in the romy schneider movies) its the crowning of hungary. i preferred to see her whole life storie.
i msut say sophie is much sensitiver than in the one in the 50s. she was like a "mean devil" kinda thing and here she is more like she does the way she does for what she thinks is right for sisi in a nicer way than the 50s movie.

now how stupid they said dont compare this one with the 50s movies (thats what the makers said) but still we do that.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2009, 03:59:29 PM
Can't wait to see it ! Well if it ends on the Hungarian coronation, it did not include Mayerling then. Sad.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 17, 2009, 05:13:07 PM
Can't wait to see it ! Well if it ends on the Hungarian coronation, it did not include Mayerling then. Sad.

No, but the movie includes Rudolf's birth. I have already seen the little boy who portrayed the crown prince.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2009, 06:56:23 PM
Great ! Then we will see Gisela too and Sisi's other sisters too I think.
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on December 18, 2009, 06:58:17 AM
well the part last night only included her sister nene and her brother gackel....dont know if the maker knows that sisi had more brothers and sister lol.
dont get exited... it is a good movie for just a costume drama (like i love) but well people like us who know about the real elisabeth its kinda dissapointing.. so i kept out of my mind that it was based on her real life that makes it more better to watch...well just see it like the ernst marischka movies...and i love to see those movies also even if there isnt much truth in it but all more romantized.
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Post by: Rani on December 18, 2009, 11:07:37 AM

now how stupid they said dont compare this one with the 50s movies (thats what the makers said) but still we do that.

Yes, that was funny.
Was the countess of Esterhazy not unfriendly to Sisi and I thought Sisi didn´t like her. But in this movie Lily Hunyady was not her favourite lady in waiting. And where was the beard of Maximilian? And Karl Ludwig?
The movie is more outspoken but Romy is the number one!
The last point: the puppy dog eyes of Sisi :)
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Post by: Rani on December 18, 2009, 02:01:55 PM
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/kanaluebersicht/aktuellste/911208#/beitrag/video/926784/Sisi---der-1-Teil/

You can see the whole movie on this link.
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Post by: Rani on December 18, 2009, 02:07:55 PM
More informations

http://sisi.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/19/0,1872,7943379,00.html?dr=1

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnavigation/nachrichten#/beitrag/interaktiv/921678/Sisi-Stammbaum/

It is so stupid: Nenes husband is her father-in-law!! Why couldn´t they better investigate?
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Post by: aor on December 18, 2009, 02:56:51 PM
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/kanaluebersicht/aktuellste/911208#/beitrag/video/926784/Sisi---der-1-Teil/

You can see the whole movie on this link.

Only when you are in Germany.......I tried, but because I am outside Germany (US), they can not show this movie outside Germany!  :(
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 18, 2009, 04:33:25 PM
And where was the beard of Maximilian? And Karl Ludwig?

Well, I guess Maximilian had a shave right before the production started and Karl Ludwig was sent to his relatives in Dresden ... or he got lost somewhere in Schönbrunn ... who knows ... ;-)

And Eric: Elisabeth gave birth to Gisela in part one, but her name was only mentioned once.

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2009, 06:54:34 PM
Poor Gisela...Still ignored...
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on December 18, 2009, 09:01:36 PM

now how stupid they said dont compare this one with the 50s movies (thats what the makers said) but still we do that.

Yes, that was funny.
Was the countess of Esterhazy not unfriendly to Sisi and I thought Sisi didn´t like her. But in this movie Lily Hunyady was not her favourite lady in waiting.

yes they have turned that around..twisted it up i guess...
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Post by: Silja on December 19, 2009, 01:59:43 PM
Today the movie starts on the German TV and Austrian Tv. I hope it´s good!!

The first part of the new Sisi movie has already been broadcasted yesterday on ORF (Austrian television). I liked it, but the director Xaver Schwarzenberger couldn't keep his promise to stick to political and historical facts. The young Italian actress who portrayed Elisabeth did a good job, but nevertheless, the character of the empress was shown in a very exaggerating way. We all know that Elisabeth was unconventional, headstrong and didn't agree with the rules at the Austrian court, but in the movie these features are definitely overdone. A lot of scenes were invented (for example: Elisabeth met Andrassy shortly after Sophie's birth in Possenofen) and far-fetched (for example: Elisabeth and Franz spent the night after their wedding somewhere in the gardens of Schönbrunn). Besides, the movie focused on the relationship between Elisabeth and Sophie - in short: good vs. bad.
There were also scenes that reminded me of the Sissi movies: Elisabeth's escape to Possenhofen, the scene in the opera in Milano, the couple in awe of the beautiful Hungarian landscape while being in a carriage, etc. The only negative person is again Sophie. Schwarzenberger kept his picture of the archduchess very close to the one of the Sissi movies, which is a pity.
Anyway, the dresses are amazing!! :-)

I thought it was a complete disappointment.  Unhistorical and still corny. I also thought Capotondi was okay, but the rest was gratuitous. As I thought, the "evil mother-in-law-vs. good and modern Sisi" contrast has been retained. Even worse, I thought Martina Gedeck's Sophie was a lot more unsympathetic than Vilma Degischer's in the Sissi films, and her acting couldn't compare to Degischer's either.


What made the writers turn the Countess Esterhazy-Liechtenstein into Elisabeth's confidante and a rebel in her own right I cannot imagine.

The consummation of the marriage in the park of Schönbrunn was an absolute low point of the film.
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Post by: Silja on December 19, 2009, 02:19:27 PM

 the character of the empress was shown in a very exaggerating way. We all know that Elisabeth was unconventional, headstrong and didn't agree with the rules at the Austrian court, but in the movie these features are definitely overdone.

Yes, indeed. Besides, Sisi was rather shy and overawed during the first years as empress and actually in a way tried - if unsuccessfully -  to adjust to the court regime. She also already showed those signs of depression which were to become so obvious later on. In this film she is a self-confident rebel from the start. This isn't much more accurate historically than the housewifely portrayal of the Sissi films.
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Post by: Silja on December 19, 2009, 02:26:12 PM
Has anyone of those who can receive ORF watched the discussion programme following the first part? What was it like?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2009, 03:18:30 PM
I think it is typical to go for drama that historical accuracy. I doubt the script writers even consulted historians for details. Just like "The Tudors"...
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Post by: Princess Susan on December 20, 2009, 04:47:21 AM
 I sow the film yesterday on ORF2 and must say it was disappointment for me too.  I expected more historical accuracy. There were plenty of mistakes. I don't understand why the filmmakers do that? For more romantic impression? In my opinion a lot of facts were more romantic in reality like in the movie...For example the scene when Elisabeth gave birth her first daughter Sophie- mentioned in Archduchess Sophie's diary is very touching, but in the film was shown in different less "romantic" way. Probably because they couldn't admit to show "the mother-in-law from hell" in symphatetic way...Then many small inaccuracies like for example the Emperor always wore hungarian uniform in occasion of visit in Hungary, but Franz had austian one there...etc.
But in other hand the costumes were really fantastic and the actress who played Sisi was charming and beautiful.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 20, 2009, 12:13:06 PM
So, it is not good when one wants historical accuracy... What a shock! Guess we could have expected this. Though I still hope it will be released here on dvd, like The Crown Prince was, and I simply adore that series no matter how over-dramatised it is. I think for now 'Kaiserin Elisabeth' with Marisa Mell is to be the only movie to be correct. And there is 'Sissi, L'Imperatrice Rebelle' which covers her whole life, though is not too romantic, but too dramatic instead.

Ohh, and I can't watch it on the link given. Odd, since I downloaded some stuf from there before and it worked. A pitty.
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Post by: Rani on December 20, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
Part 2 was better. It was good that they showed how hard Rudolfs life was. My favourite scenes are with Maximilian. They showed how crazy Charlotte was after his death.
I think it was a good movie. Romy was better in an other way.
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on December 20, 2009, 03:06:38 PM
indeed part 2 was better!!
i liked it that they putted the crownation dress in it and not like the romy movies a total other dress..
i think this part had a bit of more historical truth in it than the first part...
loved the scene also that franz goes to the front for the war..and how elisabeth helped the sick and injured people of the war while franz was there..so good they put that in it!
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 21, 2009, 12:16:38 PM
So, it is better... Makes me want to see it, I always wanted to have Charlotte and Max play a part in movies about the Habsburgs...
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Post by: Silja on December 22, 2009, 01:08:44 PM
I didn't think part two was any better. Just as inaccurate.

Just like in Sissi they cannot get rid of the "happy couple" myth. Scenes such as when Sisi in support of her husband put her hands on Franz Josef's shoulder in the presence of Bismarck, or her statements "I have waited for you all my life"  and "From now on Maman won't ever go away again" (speaking to Gisela), made me laugh out loud. In reality Elisabeth quite neglected her children after little Sophie's death, but here she's presented as the perfect mother and wife.

Here there was nothing of her depressions, of Franz Josef's infidelities, of the empress's formal ultimatum to her husband to choose between her and Gondrecourt.

And unfortunately Maximilian's death DID NOT bring Sophie and Elisabeth any closer together.

I think Charlotte was the only character I thought convincing.

The film wasn't even good drama as the dialogue and acting seemed trite, mechanical and uninspired.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2009, 09:15:18 PM
Well...Elisabeth did felt sorry for Charlotte though. She went to see her when her former sister-in-law was totally engulfed in darkness.
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 23, 2009, 04:47:22 PM
A few pictures of Sissi smiling remind me of Renee Zelweger, (spelled wrong, I'm sure.) She might make a good Sissi.
Could anyone post some pictures of Sissi from the trilogy as well as those other films? I'd like to see some, and also please label them so i know the names of the films when i look on netflix.  :)
I'd insert the pic of Sissi that looks like Renee, but i don't know how, if someone could tell me how, i'd appreciate it.
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Post by: Rani on December 24, 2009, 06:13:54 AM
There was a movie in the 90´from Christoph Böll, Heinrich Bölls nephew: Sisi und der Kaiserkuss

Sisi was played by Vanessa Wagner. There is no DVD in Germany or Austria. This film was a bombastic flop in Germany.


(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/1080067_lg.jpg)

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/vw.jpg)

I would like to see it. The critics said that it was historical, satiric and frivolous. Böll wanted a new Sisi, bt Romys Sissi wins again. What a bummer!


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Post by: Rani on December 24, 2009, 06:29:05 AM
http://www.imdb.de/character/ch0030107/


Marguerite Jamois in "Le secret de Mayerling" 1949

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/MargueriteJamoisElisabeth.jpg)

Gabrielle Dorziat in "Mayerling" 1936

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/GabrielleDorziat.jpg)


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Post by: Rani on December 24, 2009, 06:41:08 AM
Lil Dagover in "Elisabeth von Österreich" 1931

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/BIG_0005875192.jpg)

More on http://forum.index.hu/Article/jumpTree?a=90033857&t=9118767


In my opinion Sandra Ceccarelli looks similiar to Sisi

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/si.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 24, 2009, 10:47:26 AM
The early Mayerling Sisi looked like Dragula's mother...I like Ava Gardner's version. At least a celebrated beauty playing another faded beauty.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 25, 2009, 01:13:17 PM
I'd love to see the movie with Lili Dagover, she was the first actress to play the role twice - and she was good in 'Kronprinz Rudolfs Letzte Liebe'.

Did anyone check the movies I uploaded? I'd like to get some more thoughts on it:p
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Post by: Rani on December 25, 2009, 07:03:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwTpXoyjIw

Scene from "Erzsebet Kiralyne" with Karady Katalin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Ak1XiQ_u0

Scene from "Das Schicksal derer von Habsburg" with Erna Morena
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 26, 2009, 04:51:04 AM
And unfortunately Maximilian's death DID NOT bring Sophie and Elisabeth any closer together.

I think Charlotte was the only character I thought convincing.

Well, after Sophie's death, Elisabeth was shown as a sad, powerless young woman who was lying in bed and didn't want to have contact to her husband and child. Maybe this was enough of a depression for the director.

I didn't like the performance of Charlotte. She was introduced as a well-educated girl who was in love with Max. I missed a scene in which Sophie's preference for Charlotte was shown. Yes, and her madness ... In my opinion sentences like "Have you heard Max' voice? I though he was back." weren't very convincing.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 26, 2009, 07:49:28 AM
Those scenes of the Hungarian film are fascinating, would love to see the whole movie. I was checking with my Hungarian friend but his subtitles for the Hungarian movie are not finished yet, so I can't upload. You might think I am a bore, but did someone actually took the time to download those I uploaded, am especially curious for some  thoughts on the French movies. Also I have some other good news: I have found Juarez(1939), with Bette Davis as Empress Carlotta. It has French subtitles, but who cares. Always wanted to see that movie. Will get it uploaded in a torrent too.
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Post by: historylover on December 27, 2009, 05:01:13 AM
I must admit to quite liking Sisi with Romy Schneider.  It's very sweet and not very historically accurate, I agree, but
I think that it's a beautiful series to watch.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2009, 11:38:10 AM
She was Sisi idealized. The Visconti film on Ludwig II was more realistic on the real Sisi.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 27, 2009, 12:30:42 PM
Romy was great as Sisi, she did have the looks but in "Sissi' everything was made out to be like a fairytale, while in Visconti's "Ludwig" we get to see her as the real Elisabeth. Romy herself said that it was good to show the true Empress instead of the sugar-roles the Sissi-series got her into.

Has anyone ever seen "katia" with her? It's about the love affair of Alexander II with Princess Dolgorukova, with Romy in the role of Catharina 'Katia', intend to buy it but the movie is in French so I am first taking classes to get the language well. Anyway, enaugh about this movie else we'll get off topic here.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2009, 01:55:37 PM
No information on "Katia". Would love more on that movie.

Indeed. I like the Visconti portrayal too. Romy played Sisi with her frustration and insecurites. More real. Sad that people still love the fairy tale that never REALLY was...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 01:18:51 PM
Looking at the photos the majority of the actresses that have played Sissi's role on the different
movies don't look like real Sissi neither a little bit :'-(
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2009, 02:13:17 PM
Except maybe Romy. Sisi was avery complex role to play...if one wants to be althentic...
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Post by: aor on December 29, 2009, 05:31:10 PM
I have the 'Katja' movie and no you are not missing anything! It tells the story of the Princess Dolguruky (sp), how the Tsar met her when she was in boarding school. He takes her on a sleigh ride through the Country and falls in love. She is presented at Court, with her brother and his wife. Due to the 'affair', her brother gets killed and 'Katja' is sent off to France, where they meet again and become an 'item'.... Again, not even close to history, lots of heavy early 60's make up, but at least Romy Schneider was not the sweet sugar plum she was in the Marischka trilogy.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2009, 08:04:56 PM
Thanks. Movie make like nothing more than a love tragedy. I could see an actress playing Katia dashing through the hall in the Winter Palace in her night gown with cries of " Sasha ! Sasha !" as the dying emperor was brought into the palace...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 30, 2009, 07:25:10 AM
Yes, still the story of Tsar Alexander II and Catharine Dolguruky is a fascinating story, I recall reading about the last morning they spent together and that moment on its own proved that they really loved each other.  Also the movie 'Katia' is a remake from a movie with the same title made in '1938', starring Danile Darrieux in the leading role(she played Mary Vetsera 2 years before).

Also I have some new things to post:p

Mayerling - Rudolf & Mary, In Liebe Vereint Bis In Den Tod(audio from the musical 'Rudolf', movie footage, quotes from Mary Vetsera's letters):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW8fcw-EydQ

Mayerling - Mary Vetsera: Kann Ich Einfach Gehn(Using audio and video-footage from the musical to make a 'theory' about their death, also footage from the movies used):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3IU4qOSqD0

This is just fictive, I don't believe in it myself but I just wanted to use the letter and this is what I came up with

Rudolf: Affaire Mayerling(Trailer):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgq8MnRmwM4

Mayerling(1968) - Ouverture(made as DVD menu):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxdsApzc1eE


I have something coming up with Empress Elisabeth herself, using pictures, footage from one movie('Kaiserin Elisabeth Von Österrich, the assassination-scene), also I intend to include her story and quotes from her poems.

As for the movie 'Juarez', I have not watched it yet(I want to read the biography 'The madness of Carlotta' - from a Belgian writer - and after that watch the movie)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2009, 02:05:53 PM
Thanks for the information. I wonder if the Omar Sheriff, Ava Gardner, James Mason and Catherine Deveneve version had came out in DVD yet. I have the English version in VHS tape only.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2009, 02:14:24 PM
Except maybe Romy. Sisi was avery complex role to play...if one wants to be althentic...

Indeed true, but in this case i was reffering to her face, sometimes they don't look like her neither
a little bit :'-(
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2009, 02:16:22 PM
She had the beauty and later on in life the complexity...like another actress who played Sisi Ava Gardner.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2009, 02:29:07 PM
Yes, but Ava played a maturer Sissi, when her beauty was starting to fade, the other movies are
more focused on the young Empress, and the best young Empress is Romy, but is sadly that she is
soooo sweet and naive because Sissi wasn't as this
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2009, 02:48:00 PM
Ava was one of the more beautiful mature Sisis. The others looked positively ugly (the other versions of Mayerling for example).
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2009, 02:57:20 PM
Indeed, in fact they don't look like real Sissi--- Ava was the best!! ;-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2009, 03:55:34 PM
In a way Ava was also a fading beauty herself in real life.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 30, 2009, 09:10:38 PM
I wonder if the Omar Sheriff, Ava Gardner, James Mason and Catherine Deveneve version had came out in DVD yet. I have the English version in VHS tape only.

It did not came out on dvd worldwide but there has been a DVD in France and in Greece too, that's all I know. I have been looking for ages and when I found it I was quite happy to find out that it was the full movie restored in it's former glory(my VHS has not the best quality and has a cut version from 120 minutes). So, I made some kind of menu and so on and made a dvd for myself. I'd be happy to send out a copy after the Holidays(If you can play All Region atleast, don't know if I can do R1-discs)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 31, 2009, 02:41:58 PM
Thanks. I think I can play on mine.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 01, 2010, 02:48:03 PM
I really think, "Fall of the Eagles" was the best at playing Sisi's character, may not look a lot like her but her acting was the best to compare the Empress. moody, inmature for her role and cold.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2010, 03:36:37 PM
That is another good portrayal.
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Post by: Rani on January 08, 2010, 04:17:47 PM
There was a movie in the 90´from Christoph Böll, Heinrich Bölls nephew: Sisi und der Kaiserkuss

Sisi was played by Vanessa Wagner. There is no DVD in Germany or Austria. This film was a bombastic flop in Germany.


(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/1080067_lg.jpg)

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/vw.jpg)

I would like to see it. The critics said that it was historical, satiric and frivolous. Böll wanted a new Sisi, bt Romys Sissi wins again. What a bummer!







http://www.corbisimages.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?q=vanessa+wagner&ac=null
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2010, 07:18:01 PM
What is the plot of this movie about ?
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Post by: Rani on January 09, 2010, 07:46:44 PM
The same as in the Romy films, but in an ironic way.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2010, 08:32:11 PM
How ironic way ? She dressed as a boy on the cover...
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 10, 2010, 01:15:25 PM
I don't want to offend but she looks a bit like Robin Hood, she was never representated in any
other movie as this way before
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Post by: Rani on January 10, 2010, 01:24:35 PM
There is a difference to the Romy costume

(http://i47.tinypic.com/amloi.jpg)

But I bet the real Sisi wore the clothes like Vanessa Wagners Sissi in her teenage years in Possenhofen
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Post by: Rani on January 10, 2010, 01:32:47 PM
How ironic way ? She dressed as a boy on the cover...

I mean the deep décolletés, or the gossip at the Vienna court. I can´t explain, you must see it. I saw it now and I liked it. I bought the DVD from Spain.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2010, 05:59:06 PM
Why Spain ? Is it a Spanish production ?
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Post by: Rani on January 11, 2010, 11:28:38 AM
No. But I found it there. It´s strange.
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Post by: scot954 on January 11, 2010, 12:46:52 PM
i found a link to the 2009 version of sisi http://www.ubb-torrent.to/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=160514&s=56ebce9304acfa9ed6a268d2aff2ed2dfdcff93b#post160514, i wonder if someone could subtitle it in english, please, i really want to see this movie, and i can't understand german, so please, can somebody subtitle it in english??
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 11, 2010, 01:41:12 PM
Thank you for the link, scot. I'm just dying to see this series.

I mean the deep décolletés, or the gossip at the Vienna court. I can´t explain, you must see it. I saw it now and I liked it. I bought the DVD from Spain.

OMG.... I have always wanted to see this movie to. I heard it is one of the more historical correct productions. Could you perhaps upload a torrent or something? So we can see it too, or perhaps just send out a copy to the people here who want it. I know it's not legal, but this movie is so rare that there are no ways for most of us to see it. I bet I wouldn't be the only one who would be grateful.
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Post by: scot954 on January 11, 2010, 02:04:51 PM
you're welcome imperial grounds. do you understand german ? do you think you can make a subtitle in english? please, i searched this for ages and i want to understand the movie
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2010, 02:13:10 PM
Maybe pile it on youtube would be helpful.
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Post by: scot954 on January 11, 2010, 03:40:59 PM
i'm sorry eric but i did not understand that... i'm dying here
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2010, 07:00:50 PM
Post it on youtube. 
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 12, 2010, 12:31:40 AM
I'm sorry, Scott. My German isn't good enaugh to make subtitles. I won't understand everything either, but with some luck this series will be released World Wide(like the Crown Prince, which was produced by the same company if I'm correct)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 12, 2010, 11:21:11 AM
But wasn't the crown prince was filmed in English ?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 13, 2010, 10:18:22 AM
Yes, it was. But it seems to be done by the same company, I checked online too and it seems to be that this series is also made by the same countries, Germany, Austria and Itally.
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Post by: scot954 on January 13, 2010, 12:04:06 PM
ok, i finished downloading the first part. if i put it on youtube, how should that help to create subtitles??'
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2010, 03:01:31 PM
Maybe just desribe the scene and watch the action ?
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Post by: scot954 on January 16, 2010, 06:44:15 AM
Does anybody have subtitles for the french movie, sissi, l'imperatrice rebelle? i kinda need it. it can be in english or even in french.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on January 16, 2010, 06:54:55 AM
No, there are no subtitles for that one sadly, neither for 'Le Secret De Mayerling'...
If you understand French maybe you can watch the movie, or creat some yourself?
I'm studying French simply because I want to understand that movie
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 11:38:00 AM
The French are fasinated by Sisi, although she spent more time in English speaking England & Ireland.
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Post by: Silja on January 16, 2010, 12:43:57 PM
I have always wanted to see this movie to. I heard it is one of the more historical correct productions.

Did you? I saw it once on TV and thought it was absolutely terrible. Didn't at all find it in any way accurate, but I don't remember anything now as it was about 20 yearas ago.

The producers went to some lengths to promote the film back then but it was pretty much ignored and has been so since.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 04:46:11 PM
Really have to see it. Any one have the youtube link ?
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Post by: aor on January 20, 2010, 07:37:39 AM
I didn't think part two was any better. Just as inaccurate.

Just like in Sissi they cannot get rid of the "happy couple" myth. Scenes such as when Sisi in support of her husband put her hands on Franz Josef's shoulder in the presence of Bismarck, or her statements "I have waited for you all my life"  and "From now on Maman won't ever go away again" (speaking to Gisela), made me laugh out loud. In reality Elisabeth quite neglected her children after little Sophie's death, but here she's presented as the perfect mother and wife.

Here there was nothing of her depressions, of Franz Josef's infidelities, of the empress's formal ultimatum to her husband to choose between her and Gondrecourt.

And unfortunately Maximilian's death DID NOT bring Sophie and Elisabeth any closer together.

I think Charlotte was the only character I thought convincing.

The film wasn't even good drama as the dialogue and acting seemed trite, mechanical and uninspired.


I agree with you. Received the DVD yesterday and watched it last night......So not impressed. I have no idea why in this day and age it is not possible to produce a movie that adheres to history. Beautiful scenery and costumes, but so sugar sweet and fluffy!!
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 01:32:50 PM
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/SissiColoreada.jpg)
Poster about a musical on Trieste
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on March 02, 2010, 05:02:28 AM
The talented Italian actress Cristiana Capotondi as Empress Elizabeth (Sissi).

(http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/44003/2251168610101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2251168610101857556trmoHY)
(http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/45347/2316609970101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2316609970101857556mjqGtZ)
(http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/46161/2851433450101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2851433450101857556xZJvjL)

I have noticed that it was already discussed a bit about this beautiful mini series before.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 02, 2010, 08:25:23 AM
She looks more than Sissi in the images that you posted below than in the ones that I posted about her a few months ago
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Post by: THERRY on March 03, 2010, 03:23:53 AM
Cristiana Capotondi as Sissi at Sanremo Festival
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7824/sis12672458resize.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/sis12672458resize.jpg/)
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2889/sis14672458resize.jpg) (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/sis14672458resize.jpg/)
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4971/sis15672458resize.jpg) (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/sis15672458resize.jpg/)
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Post by: aor on March 03, 2010, 08:54:50 AM
Found the old Mayerling movie with Charles Boyer on Amazon.com
This one has English captions.

http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Art-House-Charles-Boyer/dp/B002E01MAG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1267627950&sr=1-1
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 03, 2010, 11:37:56 AM
Wonderful and lavish dresses, although the lady in the last photo really doesn't look like a victorian lady
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on March 04, 2010, 04:16:18 AM
Wonderful and lavish dresses, although the lady in the last photo really doesn't look like a victorian lady

About the photo in reply #673.
The lady is Antonella Clerici, the anchorwoman of the Festival, (my favorite Italian TV presenter), she wore that blue skirt just to make a funny appearence (LOL, typical of Antonella Clerici).

About Cristiana Capotondi, I have appreciated her interpretation of Empress Elizabeth, she studied a lot to portray her in a reliable manner, she also said in an interview that she have a passion for the history of European Royal families, and that Empress Elizabeth of Austria is her favorite historical character.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 04, 2010, 02:42:46 PM
About the photo in reply #673.
The lady is Antonella Clerici, the anchorwoman of the Festival, (my favorite Italian TV presenter), she wore that blue skirt just to make a funny appearence (LOL, typical of Antonella Clerici).

Ok. Now I can uderstand!! Thanks for the correction!!
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 09, 2010, 01:38:40 PM
A cartoon about the Empress Sissi, although I know that it isn't really historic
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/SissiCartoon.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/CartoonSissi.jpg)
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/VictorianLadies/SissiCartoon2.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 09, 2010, 03:31:17 PM
My God ! They drew her as a blonde !!! She look more like Barbara Eden ("I dream of Genie") or Giselle Bunden than Sisi...
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Post by: miki_nastya on April 10, 2010, 07:01:34 AM
I just love those cartoons. When I was little I never loose an episod.
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Post by: historylover on April 11, 2010, 12:36:19 AM
Hi RomanovsFan,

I'd love to see the new series starring Kristina Kapotondi.  I even tried to read about it in Italy!
My Italian is non-existent, however.

I would like to buy it with English sub-titles.  Does anyone know if this is possible?
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Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on April 11, 2010, 08:32:27 AM
Hello historylover.

As far as I know, the DVD it's not yet available here in Italy, but maybe it can be available in other countries as Austria and Germany (where the series has been released first than Italy if I'm not wrong), and maybe with English sub-titles too, but I don't know for sure...
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Post by: Silja on April 11, 2010, 12:42:51 PM
The film is available on DVD in Germany but without any subtitles.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 11, 2010, 01:35:38 PM
No loss to me...I think it is a German thing.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on April 17, 2010, 07:07:07 AM
I think the series will be released worldwide eventually. The soundtrack has been released(sounds wonderful), besides that, also 'The Crown Prince' has been released worldwide and that Miniseries has been made by the same producers. I think we shall see it released eventually...

Also I have some news...

The movie "Elisabeth Von Österreich" with Lili Dagover as the Empress is to be released on dvd in Austria and Germany. It is one of the first movies on Elisabeth ever, made in 1931, and it tells the whole story I've heard. So for once it is a fairytale that becomes a tragedy. However I am truly curious as Lili Dagover reprised the role in "Kronprinz Rudolfs Letzte Liebe".

I also am downloading some other movies:
Ludwig - Requiem für einen jungfräulichen König(1972) with Hanna Köhler as the Empress(and it has multiple subtitles!)
Ludwig II: Glanz und Ende eines Königs(1955) with Ruth Leeuwerik as the Empress(this one too has subtitles)
Sisi Und Der Kaiserkuss(1991) with Vanessa Wagner as the Empress(I fear it will be in Russian though)

and for those who wish it I have some other news on the musical:
I will be able to upload the musical "Elisabeth" with English subtitles, and the same goes for "Rudolf".
So if someone is interested, please let me know...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 17, 2010, 03:21:30 PM
Thanks for the info...now I need to make more money.  ;)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Silja on April 18, 2010, 02:23:37 PM

The movie "Elisabeth Von Österreich" with Lili Dagover as the Empress is to be released on dvd in Austria and Germany.

Thanks for the news! Great. It will be released in June.
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Rani on May 08, 2010, 12:47:20 PM
I thought who could play the roles of Ludovikas children in a movie about them (I´m bored today):

Helene: Ida Galli

(http://i41.tinypic.com/sqthdw.jpg) (http://i43.tinypic.com/2eelxrp.jpg)

Mathilde: Alessandra Martines

(http://i42.tinypic.com/51r0jq.jpg)

Marie: Turkish actress Belgin Doruk

(http://i42.tinypic.com/ifsumc.jpg)

Sophie: Caterine Deneuve

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2hzjb5.jpg)

Max Emanuel: Turkish actor Kartal Tibet

(http://i42.tinypic.com/vzxa80.jpg)

Elisabeth: Vivien Leigh

(http://i40.tinypic.com/28jhap2.jpg)


If someone has ideas, too, post them!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 15, 2010, 10:11:06 AM
Yes. Vivien could have played her to perfection. She is shown here as Anna Karenina.
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Post by: historylover on May 23, 2010, 05:18:32 AM
Yes, I agree. Vivien would have been wonderful as Sisi!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 26, 2010, 06:40:21 AM
Indeed. Her clothes in the movie would be just as fine in one about Sisi.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on May 29, 2010, 04:20:47 PM
Ahh, When watching Anna Karenina I always thought about that.... And especially in that picture, she really looks as if she could be playing the Empress here.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 30, 2010, 01:06:37 PM
She could well be...Cecil Beaton designed the sets and costume. He might have Sisi in mind already.
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Post by: Rani on May 31, 2010, 07:29:07 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/vivien02.jpg)

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/vivien01.jpg)

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/vivien.jpg)

They were on my old Photobucket account. Vivien was so beautiful!

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Post by: Rani on May 31, 2010, 07:34:05 AM
Does anyone have this book??

http://www.amazon.de/Achelleio-Acchillon-Karl-Lagerfeld/dp/3882433841
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 31, 2010, 09:45:30 AM
No. Does it have info on Sisi ?
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Post by: Rani on May 31, 2010, 11:32:58 AM
Lagerfald took photos in Empress Elisabeth manner at Korfu. I didn´t see one. So maybe anyone knows it. I heard it´s really lovely.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 31, 2010, 01:49:49 PM
Would love to see it !  ;)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 03, 2010, 09:14:34 AM
Danielle Darrieux as Mary Vetsera and Charles Boyer as Rudolph in "mayerling" (1936)


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0027951/

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2nbznew.jpg)


(http://i49.tinypic.com/5frwk6.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/9jfv28.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 16, 2010, 02:01:16 PM
The actresses who had starred Sissi trough the time and from different nations...
Sissi movies (http://bettylafeaecomoda.forumcommunity.net/?t=26725866)
Only that the site is in italian, but you can enjoy the images ;-)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 16, 2010, 03:18:50 PM
I wonder if someone know more about the first movies of the Empress (before 1950's) More information would be welcome!! ;-)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 16, 2010, 03:38:13 PM
There are quite a few I know.
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Post by: Silja on August 16, 2010, 03:13:14 PM
GermanTV yesterday showed the rather good recent Austrian film about the romance between Archduke Johann and the postmaster's daughter Anna Plochl.

http://shop.orf.at/1/index.tmpl?shop=orf&SEITE=artikel-detail&ARTIKEL=4953&startat=1&page=1&zeigen=t&lang=EN

It's definitely well worth seeing.
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Post by: erzsi on August 17, 2010, 04:00:18 PM
Yes, on Sunday the German TV Channel 3sat had a Themeday "Myth Habsburg" they send 24 hours Documentations and movies around the Habsburg family.
For e.g. they show the Movie "Wie der Mond über Feuer und Blut (like the moon on fire and bleeding) from 1981.
The Movie was about the first years of reign of Maria Theresia (1740-1743). It was very interesting^^
Another Highlight was the Crownprince Rudolf Film (2006) and some Docus about Franz Jospeh or Kaiser Karl I and his Son Otto and his family today.

Sorry for my bad English ^^"
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on September 01, 2010, 10:25:38 AM
I have not yet recieved my copy of "Elisabeth Von Österreich", starring Lili Dagover as the Empress for the first time, yet my friend said it was not that good... Ah well, will have to wait until I recieve my copy.

I recently saw Ludwig II with Ruth Leuwerik as Elisabeth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVs8z5err28

Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 01, 2010, 03:01:43 PM
Sissi on her deathbed at Beau Rivage after the attack
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Royals/movie.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 01, 2010, 03:55:39 PM
I think that was a movie.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 01, 2010, 04:15:56 PM
actually ,thats from thr firts movie about sisi in 1921. One scene of that movie appears in some book as elisabeth post mortem image
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 03, 2010, 05:57:35 AM
It is from a movie, yes, they used it in the documentary Elisabeth: Enigma of an Empress...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 03, 2010, 03:15:11 PM
Yes. After years people thought it was a news reel rather than an reanctment.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 04, 2010, 01:32:00 PM
Indeed, it's from Sissi's first movie. I really want to see it... has anyone seen it or knows if it is available?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 04, 2010, 02:05:06 PM
No idea...Is it on youtube ?
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 04, 2010, 03:57:25 PM
It can be watched in Austria, in some kind of museum... I have parts of it in a documentary.... There's the yellow domino-episode(also covered in the new series, but totally incorrect), her assassination(filmed at the Beau Rivage).... Don't know if there is more.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 05, 2010, 10:27:43 AM
I must try to search it at you tube... it's impossible for me to go to Austria in the near future... anyways... wich kind of museum? (Hofburg or Schonbrun?)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 05, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
Brian Aherne as Maximilian (i think he looks flawless!)

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9128/img0099bg.jpg)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 05, 2010, 11:48:08 AM
I must try to search it at you tube... it's impossible for me to go to Austria in the near future... anyways... wich kind of museum? (Hofburg or Schonbrun?)

Neither I believe. I'd have to rewatch the documentary for that, I'll get back on that later.

Brian Aherne as Maximilian (i think he looks flawless!)

Certainly. Bette Davis was simply stunning as Carlotta/Charlotte... Wish they'd release it on DVD
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 07, 2010, 03:19:08 PM
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/MaxyCar.jpg)

Mexican soap opera from 1965 with the argentinian actor Guillermo Murray as Emperor Maximilian and María Valdez (if I'm not wrong) as Empress Charlotte
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 07, 2010, 05:11:29 PM
She looked more like Sisi... :D
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 08, 2010, 06:42:55 AM
Exactly my thoughts
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 08, 2010, 06:44:05 AM
They had nothing on Brian and Bette!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2010, 12:25:47 PM
Waiting for DVD...
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 08, 2010, 03:23:36 PM
For now I'm taking the TCM-Recording(with French subtitles though)... The closes thing there is.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2010, 12:55:50 PM
We can still hope.  :)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 09, 2010, 02:26:38 PM
I got the DVD but in spanish (and its not the official one)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 09, 2010, 02:31:54 PM
I got the DVD but in spanish (and its not the official one)

Is there a DVD? Or do you mean a tv-recording on DVD:p
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 09, 2010, 02:47:22 PM
If it was TV recorded it has an awesome quality. I had in on my pc  and i put it on a cd as DVD to watch it on my telly.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 09, 2010, 02:53:28 PM
The same as mine with my French subs:p
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2010, 10:44:34 AM
I got it on tape VHS.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 14, 2010, 02:55:12 PM
From a German site, photos af the different actresses playing Sissi. XD
Sissi and family! (http://queen-mum.beepworld.de/filme.htm)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2010, 04:13:47 PM
Some of the Sisis were really ugly....I think Romy is still the best & Ava a close second.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 15, 2010, 07:44:25 AM
Lili Dagover, Ruth Leuwerik, Sandra Ceccarelli, Cristiana Capotondi also were great as the Empress... I found that each had some resemblance with the real Empress Elisabeth.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 15, 2010, 07:50:02 AM
I like Kataryn Karady as Elisabeth (tho i havent seen the movie)

Here a larger image of her as the empress

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5585/1253021772.jpg)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 15, 2010, 09:30:53 AM
Here is part of that movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwTpXoyjIw

A Hungarian friend of mine is trying to get her hands on Erzsébet királyné, as she did with A trónörökös - a movie about Crown Prince Rudolf -, and eventually to subtitle the movie into English(as she is doing currently with A trónörökös - You'll be updated on that when she's done)

Also, is anyone interested in the musicals Elisabeth and Rudolf with english subtitles, both the German and Hungarian versions.... Let me know
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 15, 2010, 09:45:52 AM
Thank you!! what a beautiful woman Kataryn was!


Two images of Ava as Elisabeth

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4926778952_f8fffe053f_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4850719018_875562d0af_z.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2010, 11:23:03 AM
Thanks for the lovely close ups of Ava as Sisi. My favourite scene is her entering the ballroom in a diamond tiara & earrings in a black dress & fan. Do you have that image close up ? Thanks :-)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 20, 2010, 12:56:53 PM
Mayerling. French movie from 1936. Starring: Charles Boyer as the Crown Prince Rudolph and Danielle Darrieux as Baroness Mary Vetsera.
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/mayerling.jpg)
It shows their tragedy as some sort of Romeo and Julieta love story.

By the way, I couldn't see the second close up of Ava as Sissi, it says "the photo is currently unavailable" :'-( , the first one is very good, thanks! She really looks like a mature Sissi
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2010, 11:22:48 AM
Yes. I love it with Ava in tiara and black dress & fan.  ;)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on October 25, 2010, 11:28:56 AM
That is a stunning image indeed, my favorite moment of Ava as Sisi....
Also, there is a chance my Hungarian friend is able to find that Hungarian movie, though it bears her name the movie does not revolve around her but the Hungarian Uprising of 1848 up to the Coronation in 1867... Hope she'll find it. Am curious to see it.

And again, anyone who would like to see the musicals about Rudolf and Elisabeth?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2010, 11:31:48 AM
I would...It sounds very interesting.  ;)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 01, 2010, 02:57:24 PM
From the movie Juárez. Bette Davis looks incredible as Charlotte
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/juarez1.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/juarez.gif)

Would like to see the movie, the thriller on you tube looks interesting...
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 27, 2010, 05:35:22 PM
A stunning image of Bette and Brian Aherne in "Juarez!"

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4158/04912.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/i/04912.jpg/)

 
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Post by: THERRY on November 28, 2010, 04:48:31 AM
Really a beautiful film
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Post by: bednayaliza on December 02, 2010, 09:57:10 AM

Catherine Deneuve as Maria Vetchera in "Mayerling"



(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8826/01870.th.jpg) (http://img262.imageshack.us/i/01870.jpg/)




(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1092/mayerling196801g.th.jpg) (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/mayerling196801g.jpg/)


(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1155/edf2856b1819.th.jpg) (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/edf2856b1819.jpg/)



(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5186/27742catherinedeneuve51.th.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/i/27742catherinedeneuve51.jpg/)


(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/47/38440670142c222c69c3b.th.jpg) (http://img213.imageshack.us/i/38440670142c222c69c3b.jpg/)


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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 02, 2010, 11:37:36 AM
A "pimped" Maria!!! She wished to be such a beauty like Catherine xDDD!
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Trianon on December 02, 2010, 12:51:46 PM
Yeah, Catherine Deneuve is/was really beautiful, but the movie isn't very good. I prefer the one with Christine Hörbiger more...

I would love to see Bette Davis as Charlotte, the pictures look beautiful! Does someone know another movie about Charlotte or where she plays a more important role than in the new Sisi-Movies?
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 03, 2010, 07:49:39 AM
I have the one with Bette Davis, and asd for Christine's Mary... I adore her, she has the looks and the innocence of a teenage girl - and the movie for once tells the full, though romanticly dramatised, story of Rudolf and Mary's ill-fated romance(whereas The Crown Prince tells Rudolf's whole story, and the new Sisi-series add his early childhood to that). Also I like Lisa Antoni as Mary, though she portrays Mary as politically active girl(it's not her fault, the script of the musical works that way)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2010, 12:20:50 PM
The Ava Gardner as Sisi was not too bad.  :)
Title: Re: Famous Habsburgs in movies/plays/cartoons
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 03, 2010, 01:17:43 PM
No she captured her emotional state well, that of a declining beauty... Though I think Elisabeth still looked beautifully in those final years. I think people were mesmerized by the sight of her size and such.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 04, 2010, 10:58:35 AM
Yes. She was almost perfect for the part, the only thing I could critize is that she was far too sexy. Sisi was more girlish than womanly like the earthly Ava.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 04, 2010, 12:16:14 PM
Not only that... Ava's waistline, but then again no actress can come close to that of Elisabeth; and I think Elisabeth had her own kind of sexual attraction, but that she was afraid of crossing lines.
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Post by: Pezzazz on December 21, 2010, 01:39:52 PM
Walk Away Renee - Left Banke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Caw_ojwL_4&feature=related

Seems like someone could ( ;) ) do a very nice video about Crown Prince Rudolph and loss -- and his responses to those repeated losses using this song.

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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on December 23, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
That does sound as a request... I'll see what I can work out :) have some idea. You're kinda lucky I'm versatile when it comes to music:p
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Post by: Pezzazz on December 23, 2010, 06:14:31 PM
As my little girl always says ~~ that would be sooooo awesome!  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-bounce013.gif)

I doubt it should stretch your versatility too much though since I Love all your videos.   Just watched "The Life Before Her Eyes" and as usual it was the absolute best too.  

Here's another version that might have better vocals for "Walk Away Renee"?   I'm not sure, I like both of them -- the song always reminds me of my brother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2-RlYakaIA&feature=related

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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 28, 2011, 01:10:58 PM
Another Empress Charlotte, not as beautiful as Bette Davis...
She's Sibylle Binder in "Juarez and Maximilian". 1930
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/Sibylle.jpg)
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on April 25, 2011, 11:53:46 AM
I am back here:p

I promise I will get the musicals online as soon as I find the time... But I have another surprise:p

The first spoken movie on Elisabeth, which is quite true to history, is in my hands... I'll first do subtitles on this one and try to post it. It is in fact the one mentioned and discussed ages ago, from the 1930's.
The story is quite simple = We have missed a portion of the story as the movie starts shortly before Rudolf's birth, who is after his birth taken away from her, after that Elisabeth flees from the court and years later, when she hears her son is about to be married she returns and asks Franz to reconsider, who does not want her to meddle with politics, she fears the couple - like them - is not meant to be. When Rudolf is married he runs away in parties and women and Stephanie is left alone. Franz is informed that his son asked for an annulment behind his back and forces him to end things with Mary. Elisabeth has a conversation with a desperate Stephanie and on her behalf talks with Rudolf - impossible in reality - and she too asks Rudolf to end the affair, which he now promises her. At Mayerling Rudolf tells Mary they won't be married and there is only one way for them, so they die and when Elisabeth is told - true to history here - she informs Franz who is heartbroken. Years later Elisabeth has fled from public life, once again, and is still in mourning for her son. In Geneva she is eventually assassinated - this scene is actually recorded where it happened, in Geneva - and her final words are fictive here, as she says she does not want any goodbyes(this is in the hotel, after she is carried in... She wasn't even awake in reality).

Overall a nice film, too short for my liking, which covers most of her personal life but leaves out her one political triumph.
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Post by: Rani on August 05, 2011, 02:24:54 PM
http://www.screendaily.com/news/europe/-ufa-cinema-partners-for-first-time-with-warner-bros/5030495.article

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Peter Sehr and Marie Noelle’s Ludwig II began shooting last week on the shores of the Starnberger See near Munich with the Romanian-born actor Sabin Tambrea as the young, idealistic Ludwig heading an impressive cast boasting the crème de la crème of German actors, including Sebastian Schipper (as an older Ludwig), Hannah Herzsprung (as Sisi), Edgar Selge (Richard Wagner), and Uwe Ochsenknecht (Prince Luitpold)

(http://www.cineastentreff.de/teleschau/200709/2/200709_180688_1_024.jpg)

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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on August 05, 2011, 05:46:10 PM
Hmm...looks like she might make a good Sisi! She looks a bit like Romy Schneider.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 10, 2011, 09:10:52 AM
when is this coming out ?
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Post by: Rani on August 17, 2011, 07:20:40 PM
December 2012.