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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Wittlesbachs => Topic started by: Marie Valerie on September 29, 2006, 12:53:26 PM

Title: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on September 29, 2006, 12:53:26 PM
I'm looking for Infos and Pics of these three Infantas:


- Amalia del Pilar (1834 - 1905) oo Adalbert of Bavaria

- Maria de la Paz (1862 - 1946) oo Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria

- Maria Teresa (1882 - 1912) oo Ferdinand of Bavaria


Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 29, 2006, 01:33:30 PM
Amalia Felipe del Pilar Infanta of Spain was the youngest child of Francisco Duque de Cadiz, Infant of Spain (1794-1865) and his first wife Luisa Princess of Bourbon-Two Siciles (1804-1844). She was born on October 12th 1834 in Madrid ans died on August 27th 1905 in Munich. Amalia married Adalbert Prince of Bavaria (1828-1875) on the 70th birthday of her father-in-law Ludwig I. of Bavaria.

The couple had 5 children:
- Ludwig Ferdinand (1859-1949) married Maria de la Paz Infanta of Spain (1862-1946)
- Alfons (1862-1933)
- Maria Isabella (1863-1924)
- Elvira (1868-1943)
- Clara Eugenia (1874-1941)

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3357/adalbertamalia01cv8.jpg)

Adalbert and his wife Amalia in 1864.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 29, 2006, 01:41:33 PM
Maria de la Paz Juana Amelia Adalberta Francisca de Paula Juana Bautista Isabel Francisca de Asis Infanta of Spain was the seventh  daughter of Queen Isabella II. (1830-1904) and Francisco Infant of Spain (1822-1902). She was born on June 23rd 1862 in Madrid and died on December 4th 1946 in Schloß Nymphenburg. She married Ludwig Ferdinand Prince of Bavaria (1859-1949) on April 2nd 1883 in Madrid.

The couple had 3 children:
Ferdinand Maria (1884-1958) married to Infanta Maria Teresa (1882-1912)
Adalbert Alfons (1886-1970)
Maria del Pilar (1891-1987) ... I think she was named after her mothers sister who died very young.

(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1163/ludwigferdfam03kk2.jpg)

Ludwig Ferdinand, Paz and their children.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 29, 2006, 01:49:57 PM
Maria Theresa Isabel Eugenia Patricinio Diega Infanta of Spain was the second daughter of King Alfons XII. (1857-1885) and his second wife Maria Christina Archduchess of Austria (1858-1929). She was born on November 12th 1882 in Madrid and died there on September 23rd 1912. Maria Teresa married Ferdinand Prince of Bavaria (1884-1958) on January 12th 1906 in Madrid. Ferdinand renounced his rights to the Bavarian throne and was given the title "Infant of Spain" in 1914.
 
The couple had 4 children:
-  Luís Alfonso (1906-1983)
- José Eugenio Alfonso (1909-1966)
- Maria de las Mercedes (1911-1953)
- Maria del Pilar (1912-1918)

The children were born as Princess / Prince of Bavaria. Later they were given the title "Infanta / Infant of Spain". Does anybody know if they had both titels then?

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5741/ferdinandmariateresa01ip5.jpg)

Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 29, 2006, 01:52:30 PM

Another photo:

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1545/ludwigferdfam02fc6.jpg)

Princess Pilar, her brother Ferdinand, Princess Paz, baby Luís Alfonso, Princess Maria Teresa, Prince Ludwig Ferdinand and Prince Adalbert.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on September 29, 2006, 05:08:24 PM
Infanta Amalia del Pilar

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/vanozzacatanei/AmaliadelPilar.jpg)

Infanta Maria de la Paz

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/vanozzacatanei/MariadelaPaz.jpg)

Infanta Maria Teresa

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/vanozzacatanei/MariaTeresa.jpg)

Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Prince_Christopher on September 29, 2006, 10:10:20 PM
Maria Theresa Isabel Eugenia Patricinio Diega Infanta of Spain was the second daughter of King Alfons XII. (1857-1885) and his second wife Maria Christina Archduchess of Austria (1858-1929). She was born on November 12th 1882 in Madrid and died there on September 23rd 1912. Maria Teresa married Ferdinand Prince of Bavaria (1884-1958) on January 12th 1906 in Madrid. Ferdinand renounced his rights to the Bavarian throne and was given the title "Infant of Spain" in 1914.
 
The couple had 4 children:
-  Luís Alfonso (1906-1983)
- José Eugenio Alfonso (1909-1966)
- Maria de las Mercedes (1911-1953)
- Maria del Pilar (1912-1918)

The children were born as Princess / Prince of Bavaria. Later they were given the title "Infanta / Infant of Spain". Does anybody know if they had both titels then?

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5741/ferdinandmariateresa01ip5.jpg)




Why did Ferdinand of Bavaria give up his Bavarian title for the Spanish one?

Do I remember correctly in thinking his mother was an Infanta as well?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Prince_Christopher on September 29, 2006, 10:12:15 PM
Did Paz leave memoirs?  If so, does anyone know the title?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on September 30, 2006, 01:47:53 AM
probably the photos are well-known :)

Maria de la Paz

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessMariadeLaPas.jpg)

with her children

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessMariadeLaPas_children.jpg)

with her spouse

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrinceLudwigFerdinand_spouse-2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrinceLudwigFerdinand_spouse-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrinceLudwigFerdinand_spouse.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on September 30, 2006, 01:49:52 AM
Maria Teresa

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrinceFerdinand_family_sons.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrinceFerdinand_family.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 30, 2006, 02:52:33 AM
Did Paz leave memoirs?  If so, does anyone know the title?

I have Aus meinem Leben - Eindrücke von Paz which was published by Georg Müller Verlag in 1917. This is a very small book, but nicely written.

Paz was also the author of Spanische Künstler-Mappe. Zu Gunsten der Nothleidenden in Spanien (1885) and of Emanuela Therese vom Orden der heiligen Klara, Tochter Kurfürst Max Emanuels von Bayern (1696-1750). Ihre Geschichte hauptsächlich nach ungedruckten Briefen und Schriftstücken zum ersten Male erzählt (1902).
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on September 30, 2006, 08:35:06 AM
Thank you so much MarieCharlotte!

You are a walking-Wittelsbach-Expert!

And you've got so nice pics.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 30, 2006, 09:55:16 AM
Why did Ferdinand of Bavaria give up his Bavarian title for the Spanish one?

Do I remember correctly in thinking his mother was an Infanta as well?

You are right, Prince Christopher. Prince Ferdinand's mother was Maria de la Paz Infanta of Spain, a younger sister of King Alfonso XII.

It was the wish of the royal family of Spain that Prince Ferdinand settled down with his family in Spain. He was created Infant of Spain and had to join the Spanish army. But don't ask me why ... When Ludwig III. became King of Bavaria in 1913 he wanted Ferdinand to decide whether he wanted to belong to the Bavarian or the Spanish royal family. Although his wife Maria Teresa had already been dead in 1913, Ferdinand refused to come back to Bavaria.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: trentk80 on September 30, 2006, 11:27:24 AM
Maria del Pilar (1891-1987) ... I think she was named after her mothers sister who died very young.

Yes, Infanta Paz herself tells about the subject of her daughter's name in her memoirs: "I told my husband, somewhat timidly, that I would like to call her Pilar, but was afraid the name might be too Spanish for a Bavarian princess. He only asked me if it would really give me particular pleasure, and when I said “yes” he at once consented. It seemed to me as if in that name my sister had come back again."
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on September 30, 2006, 12:01:30 PM
Can you post a picture of Pss. Pilar ?
She was a devoted painter and died in her 90s.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 01, 2006, 08:53:34 AM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/pilar08.jpg)

Princess Maria del Pilar
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 01, 2006, 03:37:21 PM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/mariachristine_kinder01.jpg)

Queen Maria Christina, her children Maria de las Mercedes (left), Maria Teresa and lttle Alfonso XIII.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/friedrich_fam03.jpg)

Archduke Friedrich, Queen Maria Christina, Infanta Isabella, Archduchess Isabella, Mercedes, unknown boy, Maria Teresa and Alfonso XIII.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: umigon on October 03, 2006, 11:07:29 AM
The sixth person, standing between Mercedes and María Teresa is Prince Gennaro of the Two Sicilies.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 03, 2006, 04:02:34 PM
The sixth person, standing between Mercedes and María Teresa is Prince Gennaro of the Two Sicilies.

Do you mean Gennaro (1882-1944), son of Alfonso di Caserta and Antonia Princess of the Two Sicilies? I would have never thought of him. Thanks.

Can you confirm that the woman between Maria Christina and Archduchess Isabella is Infanta Isabella, widow of Gaëtano di Girgenti? I guess this photo had been taken in about 1895. So Isabella must have been in her fourties, but on this picture the woman who is supposed to be Isabella looks so much older, maybe 60. 
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: umigon on October 04, 2006, 04:05:19 AM
It's that Gennaro, yes.


About the woman, she certainly is Isabel, la "Chata", eldest daughter of Isabel II. She was in her mid-forties but we should bear in mind that in those times people, and especially women, looked older than nowadays. Then, Isabel was very fat and had never taken a real interest in showing herself pretty... she didn't care about her physical looks too much...
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on October 04, 2006, 06:17:46 AM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/pilar08.jpg)

Princess Maria del Pilar

Thank you for the picture.
I've never seen it before.
Does anybody know why she never married ? Were there any suitors to her ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: umigon on October 05, 2006, 06:24:58 AM
She was madly in love with her cousin King Alfonso XIII, but he never ever felt attracted by her!! She had some kind of depression for that reason. Maybe that's why she never married... By modern standards, I think Pilar would have been much more attractive to us than Victoria Eugenia!
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on October 05, 2006, 06:50:13 AM
She was madly in love with her cousin King Alfonso XIII, but he never ever felt attracted by her!!

Really? How very interesting! :o
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: umigon on October 05, 2006, 06:54:38 AM
It really is, much more if we bear in mind that Alfonso was a very... let's say... "passionate" man! ;)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on October 05, 2006, 01:41:44 PM
She was madly in love with her cousin King Alfonso XIII, but he never ever felt attracted by her!! She had some kind of depression for that reason. Maybe that's why she never married... By modern standards, I think Pilar would have been much more attractive to us than Victoria Eugenia!

Wow I have never heard that.
Thank you for sharing it with us.

I am looking for a picture of her cousin Maria de las Mercedes de Baviera, Princess Irakly de Bagration.
Can someone post it, please ?
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 05, 2006, 03:44:02 PM
She was madly in love with her cousin King Alfonso XIII, but he never ever felt attracted by her!!

I can't believe it! Alfonso was such an unattractive, ugly man !!!
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on October 05, 2006, 04:12:37 PM
I always thought so too but apparently many women found him charming and charismatic. Too each his own, I suppose.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on October 14, 2006, 11:07:52 AM

I am looking for a picture of her cousin Maria de las Mercedes de Baviera, Princess Irakly de Bagration.
Can someone post it, please ?
Thanks in advance.
[/quote]

Please  ::)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on October 14, 2006, 01:15:28 PM

I am looking for a picture of her cousin Maria de las Mercedes de Baviera, Princess Irakly de Bagration.
Can someone post it, please ?
Thanks in advance.

Please  ::)
[/quote]

Here are Maria de las Mercedes and her stepmother, 2nd spouse of Infant Ferdinand

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Princess2ndspouseofFerdinand_stepdr.jpg)

Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:09:36 PM
Yes,Maria Luisa de Silva,Duchessa de Talavera de la Reina...
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:36:30 PM
Several years ago I met in Spain Don Alvaro de Silva Mazarra de la Castaneda(Duque de Talavera de la Reina,Marquis de Zahara,Conde de Pio...he wrote those titles so maybe I have some problems with correct writting) who is a relative of Maria Luisa who married a Bavarian Prince!He told me that his relative was made Infanta of Spain in 1928(although I checked genealogy and saw that it was in 1927) and that Beatrice of Orleans was very furious because of the changing in order of precedence...At that time I wasn't very much interested in all this but in his home I took some pictures witch I will post!They show the wall of his home...
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:37:04 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/scann1.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:39:10 PM
Here is a photo of one of the walls in his home where you can see the portrait of the Duke's father in the center and some small photos of Infanta Maria Luisa de Silva below...
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:39:46 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Duc.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:40:48 PM
Close up of the portrait in the center...
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:41:22 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/MLSilva2.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:43:24 PM
Close up of the photo of Maria Luisa de Silva,Duchessa de Talavera de la Reina..
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:43:59 PM
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/MLSilva1.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 14, 2006, 06:44:53 PM
And a close up of her watercolour portrait!
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on October 15, 2006, 11:40:13 AM
Here are Maria de las Mercedes and her stepmother, 2nd spouse of Infant Ferdinand

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Princess2ndspouseofFerdinand_stepdr.jpg)


[/quote]

I was hoping for a picture of an older Mercedes, may be at the time of her engagement/wedding.
But thanks any way.
It provided me the chance of first seeing how Duchess Maria Luisa looked like  :o
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on October 15, 2006, 04:36:39 PM
Ouuuups,sorry  :'( I didn't get the point!By the way,I am interested who she looked like too...
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: trentk80 on October 17, 2006, 06:47:09 AM
Maria Luisa de Silva was said to be not very attractive. She was born in 1870, which meant that she was 14 years older than her husband Ferdinand, but during all her life she lied saying that she was born in 1880. King Alfonso XIII made Maria Luisa an Infanta of Spain in 1927. It was the first time that a King of Spain made a non-royal person an infante or infanta. 
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on October 18, 2006, 11:10:06 AM
A very long and interesting article about the Wittelsbach-Borbons marriages.

And I found Maria de las Mercedes there  :D

http://www.adghn.org/confe/2005/baviera.pdf
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 18, 2006, 01:26:33 PM
A very long and interesting article about the Wittelsbach-Borbons marriages.

And I found Maria de las Mercedes there  :D

http://www.adghn.org/confe/2005/baviera.pdf

Yes, that could be interesting if you are able to understand it.  ;)

José, could you tell me what the text on page 7 (Alfonso XIII and Wiltrud de Baviera) is about? Was Wiltrud a possible bride for Alfonso?

And could you tell me if the text says where in Munich I can find the building shown on p.21? Did Infanta Paz live there?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on October 18, 2006, 03:32:35 PM


Yes, that could be interesting if you are able to understand it.  ;)

José, could you tell me what the text on page 7 (Alfonso XIII and Wiltrud de Baviera) is about? Was Wiltrud a possible bride for Alfonso?

And could you tell me if the text says where in Munich I can find the building shown on p.21? Did Infanta Paz live there?
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My pleasure  ;)

As you probably know, there was a poll started by the Madrid newspaper ABC to find a bride for Alfonso among 8 princesses.

One of them was Wiltrud, but she “only” got 1488 votes   :-\.
Victoria Eugenia of Battenberg won by far with 18.427 votes followed by Patsy Connaught (13.719). Next came Viktoria Luisa de Prusia (12.901 votos); Luisa de Orleáns (10.675 votos); María Antonia de Mecklemburgo (7.040 votos); Beatriz de Sajonia-Coburgo (4.093 votos); y Olga de Cumberland (2.112votos).
Other possible candidates were Sophie of Saxony and Adss Maria-Gabriella of Habsburg.

The only Sophie of Saxony I could trace was Sophie of Saxe-Weimar (1888-1913) daughter of Pr. Wilhelm and Pss. Gerta von Isemburg-Budingen.
She never got married and committed suicide. Anybody knows why ?

Wiltrud eventually married Wilhelm, duke of Urach and was close to become a Queen as he was offered the throne of Lituania, with the enthusiastic support of the Kaiser.
He even changed his name to Mindovg/Mindaugas II.
In the end the affair did not come to any result.

Another possible candidate for Alfonso was Pss. Pilar of Bavaria, who fell madly in love with her cousin and never wanted any other man for marriage.

The building on page 21 is the “Pedagogium”, a school, founded by Pss.Paz to educate one poor boy (at least) from each province of Spain.
At a certain time , 38 students attended it.
The school opened in 1913 but was closed in 1918 when monarchy was abolished.
The text just says the school was built in the grounds of Nynphenburg.
Doesn’t say if it still exists.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 19, 2006, 02:28:21 AM
Thank you very much.  ;) I should start to learn Spanish, because the text seems to be very interesting and I adore the photos shown there.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 11, 2006, 10:15:44 AM
She was madly in love with her cousin King Alfonso XIII, but he never ever felt attracted by her!! She had some kind of depression for that reason. Maybe that's why she never married... By modern standards, I think Pilar would have been much more attractive to us than Victoria Eugenia!

Did you know that Pilar wrote a book about Alfonso XIII.?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on September 07, 2008, 02:05:14 AM
A picture of infanta Paz with her husband Ludwig Ferdinand as a young couple:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/INFANTAS%20OF%20SPAIN/Paz.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2008, 01:40:00 PM
Infanta Paz was the lucky Spanish Princess (of her sisters)  to have a good marriage.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on September 07, 2008, 01:48:25 PM
Infanta Paz was the lucky Spanish Princess (of her sisters)  to have a good marriage.

She was a lovely woman, so she deserved all the happiness she found after her marriage. I feel a deep tenderness when I think of Paz.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2008, 01:55:12 PM
You think Infantas Isabel, Pilar and Eulalia did not derseve happiness ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on September 08, 2008, 03:36:14 PM
You think Infantas Isabel, Pilar and Eulalia did not derseve happiness ?

Pilar, poor little thing...she was dead too young. I believe Pilar was a lovely girl.
Isabel had not a happy marriage, but Isabel was firstly an infanta of Spain (a great sense of duty) and secondly a woman. Eulalia...well, I like Eulalia, but I don´t like the way she managed her private life.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on September 08, 2008, 03:38:32 PM
So sorry, the image has bad quality, but she´s infanta Amalia, princess Adalbert of Bavaria...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/InfantaAmalia-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 08, 2008, 05:10:59 PM
Lovely ! Love to know more about her life.  :)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on September 21, 2008, 03:37:28 PM
Was she sitting in this photo or...?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 21, 2008, 04:08:48 PM
Standing.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on September 22, 2008, 07:32:37 AM
Wow :-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2008, 02:12:55 PM
She looks formiable.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on October 09, 2008, 02:15:13 PM
Quote
So sorry, the image has bad quality, but she´s infanta Amalia, princess Adalbert of Bavaria...

She looks just like her double first-cousin & sister-in-law Isabel II. 
______________________________________________
José, that PDF document you posted is excellent, it really gives a great history of the Spanish Branch of the Wittlesbachs.  I only wish I could totally understand it :-[. 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 10, 2008, 12:48:57 PM
I wonder if a book was written about Amalia. Quite a few inclucing a few by Pilar had written about Paz.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on October 13, 2008, 08:51:32 AM
Was she sitting in this photo or...?

Amalia was not very tall.. On the contrary, her husband Adalbert was a giant, according to their pics

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2008, 11:26:29 AM
Well at least the marriage works !  :D
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on October 13, 2008, 11:32:45 AM
The wedding of Adalbert and Amalia:

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2va17p4.jpg)

And I believe Remi is right...the portrait shows clearly that Adalbert was a giant!!
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2008, 05:48:27 PM
Lovely portrait ! Is it in Munich ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on October 14, 2008, 03:02:26 AM
The marriage took place in Madrid in 1856.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2008, 01:30:21 PM
But they went back to Munich no ? Like there is a few versions of Winterhalter's Sisi painting, one in Buckingham Palace. Maybe one version in Munich one in Spain ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on October 14, 2008, 02:21:55 PM
Eric, I don´t know where is the portrait. But I´ll try to find an answer to your question ;)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 15, 2008, 07:44:07 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Bourbon/Bourbon-Spanien/Paz/indexphp3.gif)


The lovely Paz!
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on October 15, 2008, 10:23:12 AM
Oh, Paz was lovely indeed! I´m very proud of our infanta ;)

Another portrait (not the better quality, sorry):

(http://i36.tinypic.com/nqtybt.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2008, 10:56:00 AM
Lovely portraits of Paz. Who painted the first one ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 15, 2008, 11:10:54 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Bourbon/Bourbon-Spanien/Paz/mariadelapaz1862qf7.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 15, 2008, 11:11:31 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Bourbon/Bourbon-Spanien/Paz/pazfamilie.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2008, 11:15:42 AM
Nice pictures !
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 15, 2008, 11:19:19 AM
Lovely portraits of Paz. Who painted the first one ?


I don't know. On the left top of the painting is a signature, but even with zoom I can't read it.
Sorry.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2008, 11:23:08 AM
No worries we can find that out later...wonder if this is in Munich or Madrid ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on October 15, 2008, 12:08:54 PM
Maybe one in Madrid, another in Münchren?

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on October 15, 2008, 12:45:40 PM
Maybe one in Madrid, another in Münchren?

REMI


Maybe. And, so, Eric have a good reason to have a break in Munich and later in Madrid ;)

PS: Don´t worry, Eric, I´ll paid the spanish omelette in Madrid ;)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2008, 04:19:16 PM
You are in Spain ?  :o

Anyway I would love to do more investigation in Madrid and Munich.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on October 16, 2008, 09:59:27 AM
Right ;)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2008, 11:19:28 AM
Maybe see you early next year ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 19, 2008, 11:25:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/eulaliaundpaz.jpg)


Infantas Eulalia & Paz

Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 19, 2008, 11:50:37 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/pazbavaria.jpg)

Paz
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 19, 2008, 11:52:04 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/eulaliapaz2.jpg)

Eulalia and Paz again
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
Close sisters it seem with those two.  ;)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 20, 2008, 12:33:11 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/pazludwigbayern.jpg)

Paz and Husband
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 20, 2008, 12:34:52 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/mariateresaferdinand.jpg)


Infanta Maria Teresa with husband Ferdinand and her aunt
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2008, 12:36:42 PM
Nice photo with Infanta Isabel "La Chata "
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on October 20, 2008, 12:50:23 PM


Infanta Maria Teresa with husband Ferdinand and her aunt

That's a cut off from a large family group including Alfosno XII and his wife.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 20, 2008, 01:15:38 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Pazandhusband2.jpg)

Paz with hubby
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 20, 2008, 01:19:23 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/PazconLudwig.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on October 20, 2008, 02:09:13 PM


Infanta Maria Teresa with husband Ferdinand and her aunt

That's a cut off from a large family group including Alfosno XII and his wife.

Right ;)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2008, 03:13:32 PM
Can we see the original ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Yseult on October 20, 2008, 04:15:33 PM
Of course, Eric:

(http://i36.tinypic.com/11hyuzk.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: gogm on October 20, 2008, 10:53:50 PM
Who is this Marquez Baviera? Its a wedding picture. When was it taken?

(http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/43867/2610309070094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2610309070094285158dWgqCb)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on October 21, 2008, 04:19:49 AM
I am not sure, but I think it is Mathilde von Wurtemberg spouse of Count Heir von Waldburg zu Zeil-Trauchburg???

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 21, 2008, 10:07:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/MariaTeresadeEspaa.jpg)

More Maria Teresa
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 21, 2008, 10:07:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/PrinceFerdinand_family.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 21, 2008, 10:08:40 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Pazinfanta-1.jpg)

And Paz
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 21, 2008, 10:22:05 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/IsabelIIconPazyFerdinandhijoPaz.jpg)

Paz with son and her mum
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 21, 2008, 10:24:18 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/ferddinandisabella2.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 21, 2008, 01:36:22 PM
Maybe should post also on the Isabel II as grandmutter thread.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 21, 2008, 05:05:40 PM
Isabel II looked relaxed as grandmother.  ;)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on November 08, 2008, 12:24:50 PM
Of course, Eric:

(http://i36.tinypic.com/11hyuzk.jpg)

I can identify Queen Ena and Alfonso XIII and Queen Maria Christina, but who are the others ?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on November 08, 2008, 12:42:30 PM
Who is this Marquez Baviera? Its a wedding picture. When was it taken?

(http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/43867/2610309070094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2610309070094285158dWgqCb)


This is Myrta Marquez y Baviera (b. 1965-...).

Her parents were Pss Teresa "Tessa" of Baviera and the late Alfonso Marquez Patiño, marques de castro, honorary consul of Monaco in Spain.
Myrta married in Seville 1994 Pedro Escudero y Aznar and the couple has 2 children Cristina (1996-...) and Luis (2002-...)

She has a younger sister Sonia (b. 1967) married to Miguel Matossian y Osorio.

Tessa's parents were Infante D.José Eugénio and D.Maria Solange (Pss. Marisol) de Mesia y Lesseps, a descendant from the engineer that projected the Suez canal.

José Eugénio's parents were Infante Fernando Maria de Baviera and Maria Teresa of Spain
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2008, 12:52:10 PM
I can take three. There is Inanta Isabel ("La Chata") sitting near Dowager Queen Maria Cristina. Beside Infanta Isabel stood Infanta Maria Teresa, while her husband a Prince of Bavaria stood behind the aged Infanta.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on November 09, 2008, 04:44:12 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/mariateresaferdinand.jpg)


Infanta Maria Teresa with husband Ferdinand and her aunt

But those 3 were already identified ;-).
I was looking for the others.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: José on November 09, 2008, 04:45:57 PM
So who is the lady in black in the middle and the two men at each side of Q. Maria Christinna ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on November 10, 2008, 12:10:11 AM
So who is the lady in black in the middle and the two men at each side of Q. Maria Christinna ?

The womani in black is Princess Louise of Bourbon-Sicilie  (nee Orleans), 2nd spouse of Prince Carlo of Bourbon-Sicilie, who in his turn stands by Prince Ferdinand's side. The older man might be Carlo's father,Alfonso of Caserta.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 11, 2008, 12:42:06 PM
Very blurry. Can you have a close up of louise ? Not sure if it was her....
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on November 12, 2008, 12:43:52 AM
Very blurry. Can you have a close up of louise ? Not sure if it was her....

I have a close up. And I am sure that's her.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2008, 10:45:51 AM
Can you share the close up ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on November 12, 2008, 04:39:30 PM
So who is the lady in black in the middle and the two men at each side of Q. Maria Christinna ?

The womani in black is Princess Louise of Bourbon-Sicilie  (nee Orleans), 2nd spouse of Prince Carlo of Bourbon-Sicilie, who in his turn stands by Prince Ferdinand's side. The older man might be Carlo's father,Alfonso of Caserta.

Don't you think the older man might be infante Carlos's brother, Ferdinand, duke of Calabria? (cf picture)(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/0387a370.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on November 12, 2008, 04:55:53 PM
Another picture of Duke of Calabria (1911)(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/3b9fc5c1.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 13, 2008, 06:38:25 PM
Looks like him to me.  ;)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on November 14, 2008, 12:40:01 AM
Don't think that's  Ferdinand of Calabria, not much resemblance.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 14, 2008, 11:18:44 AM
Then who is he ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on November 15, 2008, 02:31:39 AM
Then who is he ?

Need to investigate. Right now I don't have an idea. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on November 15, 2008, 06:48:05 AM
I think you have got a close up of the picture, don't you? Can you show it to us? Perhaps, it will be easier to identify this man, won't it?

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 15, 2008, 03:26:50 PM
Good Point Remi !
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on November 16, 2008, 09:06:17 AM
I think you have got a close up of the picture, don't you? Can you show it to us? Perhaps, it will be easier to identify this man, won't it?

REMI

Yes,it's easier of course. At last I'm at home and can dig through my pictures : ))

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/KingAlfonsoXIII_spouse_mother_relat.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on November 16, 2008, 10:01:11 AM
I think you have got a close up of the picture, don't you? Can you show it to us? Perhaps, it will be easier to identify this man, won't it?

REMI

Yes,it's easier of course. At last I'm at home and can dig through my pictures : ))

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/KingAlfonsoXIII_spouse_mother_relat.jpg)

Thanks a lot, Svetabel...I wonder who is this gentleman. I recognize neither Count of Caserta, nor his eldest son, duke of Calabria...

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2008, 10:42:12 AM
I wonder who he was?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on February 02, 2009, 08:25:37 AM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/c9930351.jpg)

This pic is not very clear. I have recognized from left to right infant Luis Alfonso of Bayern, duchess of Talavera de la Reina; infant José Eugenio of Bayern; Infanta Maria de la Paz, grandmother of the infants; Marisol of Mesia y Lesseps, José Eugenio's spouse; infanta Maria de las Mecedes of Bayern, future wife of Irakly Bagration of Moukhransky...But who is the lady to the right?
Thank you for your help.

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 02, 2009, 08:33:54 AM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/c9930351.jpg)

This pic is not very clear. I have recognized from left to right infant Luis Alfonso of Bayern, duchess of Talavera de la Reina; infant José Eugenio of Bayern; Infanta Maria de la Paz, grandmother of the infants; Marisol of Mesia y Lesseps, José Eugenio's spouse; infanta Maria de las Mecedes of Bayern, future wife of Irakly Bagration of Moukhransky...But who is the lady to the right?
Thank you for your help.

REMI

Don't you think that the lady you recognized as Maria de las Mercedes is in fact Pilar, daughter of Paz and Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on February 02, 2009, 09:40:00 AM
Guten Tag, Marie Charlotte
This pic was taken in Vatican a little time before the Second world war. The infants of Bayern were received  by the pope Pius XII. Pilar von Bayern was about 45 years old and her niece about 25...This is why I think she is Maria de las Mercedes of Bayern who married to Irakly in 1946. Maybe I am mistaken??? But the pic is very bad...Have you got a better one???

See the link very interesting (in spanish), page 28
http://www.adghn.org/confe/2005/baviera.pdf (http://www.adghn.org/confe/2005/baviera.pdf)

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2009, 10:06:15 AM
The link worked this time. Thanks.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 02, 2009, 11:13:02 AM
Guten Tag, Marie Charlotte
This pic was taken in Vatican a little time before the Second world war. The infants of Bayern were received  by the pope Pius XII. Pilar von Bayern was about 45 years old and her niece about 25...This is why I think she is Maria de las Mercedes of Bayern who married to Irakly in 1946. Maybe I am mistaken??? But the pic is very bad...Have you got a better one???

REMI

Bonjour REMI! :-)

I'm sorry, but I don't have a clearer version of this picture. I own a postcard which was written by Princess Pilar. In this card, she writes about Rome and - if I remember correctly - the Vatican. I have to look at the date once more. But I guess she wrote it shortly before WWII, which could mean that she was in Vatican with her family and could be the woman on the pic you posted.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on February 02, 2009, 11:23:26 AM
....But the other lady on the right, who is she , on your opinion?
Thank you, Marie-Charlotte.

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on February 02, 2009, 11:56:02 AM
....And why Pilar (or Mercedes) did not wear medals?... Pilar was Lady of Holy Elisabeth et Teresa Orden. Mercedes had medals not yet at that time. Besides, I guess that Pilar (?) looks very young, doesn't she?

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2009, 12:12:06 PM
Yes..It is possible to put a date on the photo ?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on February 02, 2009, 12:51:57 PM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/c9930351.jpg)

This pic is not very clear. I have recognized from left to right infant Luis Alfonso of Bayern, duchess of Talavera de la Reina; infant José Eugenio of Bayern; Infanta Maria de la Paz, grandmother of the infants; Marisol of Mesia y Lesseps, José Eugenio's spouse; infanta Maria de las Mecedes of Bayern, future wife of Irakly Bagration of Moukhransky...But who is the lady to the right?
Thank you for your help.

REMI

Actually the lady at the very right is Maria de las Mercedes, spouse of Prince Bagration. And her Aunt Pilar is by her right side - she doesn't  look young, that's just blurry picture,but the features are hers.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on February 02, 2009, 01:29:01 PM
Yes..It is possible to put a date on the photo ?

Maybe in 1935...On the occasion of the wedding of Juan de Borbon y Battenberg, count of Barcelona and Maria de la Mercedes of Borbon Dos Sicilias y Orleans.The Baviera were present
Three dates
1933 (july, 25th) marriage of José Eugenio and Marisol
1946 (august, 29th)marriage of Mercedes and Irakly Bagration
1946 (december, 4th) death of Maria de la Paz

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on February 02, 2009, 01:40:28 PM
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/c9930351.jpg)

This pic is not very clear. I have recognized from left to right infant Luis Alfonso of Bayern, duchess of Talavera de la Reina; infant José Eugenio of Bayern; Infanta Maria de la Paz, grandmother of the infants; Marisol of Mesia y Lesseps, José Eugenio's spouse; infanta Maria de las Mecedes of Bayern, future wife of Irakly Bagration of Moukhransky...But who is the lady to the right?
Thank you for your help.

REMI

Actually the lady at the very right is Maria de las Mercedes, spouse of Prince Bagration. And her Aunt Pilar is by her right side - she doesn't  look young, that's just blurry picture,but the features are hers.

In 1935, Maria de las Mercedes of Baviera y Borbon, future princess Bagration was only 25 years old.
I think the lady at very right looks  a little more older?..

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2009, 02:19:38 PM
It is too blurry to be sure...
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on February 02, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
I think so

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2009, 03:49:11 PM
Hard to confirm though...
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: belianis on April 02, 2009, 04:13:01 AM
The now defunct weekly BLANCO Y NEGRO published in its issue dedicated to the inauguration of JCI a chart of the succession to the throne in which the last link was Fernando de Baviera, prince of the Royal House of Bavaria. How did this Wittelsbach get to figure as one of the potential heirs to the Spanish throne?
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 02, 2009, 06:35:38 AM
Well, I didn't know that Ferdinand was in the line of succession to the Spanish throne, but the link between him and Spain is the following:

Prince Ferdinand Maria (Madrid 1884 - Madrid 1958) was the son of Prince Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria and Infanta Maria de la Paz of Spain. He was naturalized in Spain in 1905, renounced his Bavrian titles and rights to the Bavarian throne in 1914 and was given the title "Infant of Spain". His first wife was Maria Teresa of Spain, a daughter of King Alfonso XII and Archduchess Maria Christina. His descendents are all Infants of Spain.

Maybe that helps a bit.

Marie
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: REMI on April 02, 2009, 07:53:16 AM
The last princes of Bavaria who were "infantes de España" with rights to the Spanish throne were Ferdinand's three children:
1) Luis Alfonso of Bavaria y Borbon, infant of Spain (1906-1983). Unmarried
2) José Antonio of Bavaria y Borbon, infant of Spain (1909-1966) who married morganatically Marisol of Messia y Lesseps
3) Maria de las Mercedes of Bavaria y Borbon (1911-1953), infanta of Spain who married morganatically Irakly Bagration-Moukhransky.
José Antonio and his sister have lost their rights because their marriages.

REMI
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 04, 2009, 10:17:14 AM
Ferdinand and Maria Teresa had another daughter:

Maria del Pilar, Infanta of Spain, born Princess of Bavaria (Madrid 1912 - Madrid 1918)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marlene on April 07, 2009, 02:43:24 PM

Mercedes' marriage was not morganatic, as her father asked Grand Duke Wladimir about the Bagrations - and he convened several legal experts who ruled that the Bagrations were of equal rank.

The last princes of Bavaria who were "infantes de España" with rights to the Spanish throne were Ferdinand's three children:
1) Luis Alfonso of Bavaria y Borbon, infant of Spain (1906-1983). Unmarried
2) José Antonio of Bavaria y Borbon, infant of Spain (1909-1966) who married morganatically Marisol of Messia y Lesseps
3) Maria de las Mercedes of Bavaria y Borbon (1911-1953), infanta of Spain who married morganatically Irakly Bagration-Moukhransky.
José Antonio and his sister have lost their rights because their marriages.

REMI

Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 07, 2009, 03:43:41 PM
Well...That part is open to interpretation as many other royal experts are still convinced that the family is not of equal footing with other European royals.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on July 18, 2009, 02:16:17 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/B10135105T10135110.jpg)

Paz with her Mum Isabella and Baby
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Éole on September 19, 2009, 04:06:18 PM
I don't think it has been posted yet, tell me if I'm wrong :)
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae221/EDT95/Family%20of%20Ludwig%20Ferdinand%20of%20Bavaria/LudwigFerdiandandPaz.jpg)
Infanta Maria de la Paz and Prince Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria (can't find a bigger version...)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Éole on January 28, 2010, 08:48:48 PM
Wedding of Prince Adalbert and Css Augusta von Seefried auf Buttenheim...
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae221/EDT95/Family%20of%20Ludwig%20Ferdinand%20of%20Bavaria/elisabethbavaria3.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marc on January 29, 2010, 07:28:13 AM
Well...That part is open to interpretation as many other royal experts are still convinced that the family is not of equal footing with other European royals.

True,but if her father asked he did it with the reason...he obviously valued Vladimir's opinion in terms of this situation and wanted to know how to treat this marriage...since Vladimir's opinion was in Bagration family favor than this marriage was treated equal despite other reasons who pointed out why should not be treated like this...
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 10, 2010, 07:53:55 AM
Maria de la Paz. From the ANNO


(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9854/paziii.jpg) (http://img245.imageshack.us/i/paziii.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 10, 2010, 08:11:06 AM
Like the lace hair onament.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 10, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
Thats is a Mantilla.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 10, 2010, 11:24:15 AM
I think a mantilla is much higher. When I was in Spain I saw it was a long lace supported by a huge comb. There is a difference from the ones Ena wore with with Paz is wearing here.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 10, 2010, 01:39:27 PM
Its a mantilla. My grandma has one.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 10, 2010, 01:48:24 PM
Well...It does not look like the ones royal ladies wore. You can see a host of them in the royal marriages in spain.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 10, 2010, 01:50:42 PM
There are different  types of Mantilla, as there re different types of combs and stuff
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: grandduchessella on August 11, 2010, 08:32:25 AM
Yes, this is more of an everyday one as opposed to the more ceremonial ones which usually had the combs (peinetas) to hold it in place for moving around--during services, celebrations, etc...I wonder why Paz is wearing one as they became largely ceremonial after the death of her mother (who had helped popularize them and encouraged their wearing). She looks to be wearing black but the mantilla is white--both colors associated with mourning.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 11, 2010, 08:55:13 AM
Got it !  ;) I think she still identify herself as a Spanish Infanta even she had been a Bavarian Princess for a long time.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on May 23, 2011, 04:58:16 AM
Family of Infanta Paz and her husband. Including his brother Alfons with wife Luise and their son.1912 year.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1912-1.jpg)

Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on August 09, 2011, 05:34:09 AM
The family photo of about 1886 year

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/1886.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 09, 2011, 08:02:33 AM
Elvira looks awesome as always!. I wish there was more pictures of her!

Thanks so much, Svetabel!
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Svetabel on August 14, 2011, 05:30:22 AM
Elvira looks awesome as always!. I wish there was more pictures of her!

Thanks so much, Svetabel!

Here is Elvira with her sister Clara and niece Pliar in 1920s - from the large family photo

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2n8dm4y.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 14, 2011, 09:25:46 AM
Pilar looked a lot like her aunt Clara. Thanks or the image! i never imagined her at that age.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 25, 2011, 06:07:09 PM
Does anyone know what was the reason for the early death of Maria Teressa? I read she died at age 29.
Title: Re: The House of Bavaria=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: LisaG on June 06, 2012, 03:42:25 PM
I'd like to know that answer too.  I can't find anything.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Veronica on June 06, 2012, 06:27:29 PM
Maria Teresa died of an embolism eight days after giving birth to her daughter Maria del Pilar.
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: KaiserinIII on January 25, 2014, 06:34:23 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1ce321a68dff98b0f932ff04269a8fda/tumblr_mkee1e8z5a1qcfftgo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: KaiserinIII on December 08, 2014, 08:59:02 AM
(http://www.adels-archiv.com/shop/prod_img/1363105935006-0166Ferdinand-Maria-v-Bayern-m-Sohn-Ludwig-Alfons.Jpeg)
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 08, 2014, 11:58:43 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b5/f9/f9/b5f9f99e3db884f834f4e1063b69cd3f.jpg)

Paz and her daughter Pilar

Paz is one of my favorites..
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 08, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/1d/e8/d7/1de8d75e1e3e060c618bea91f0773694.jpg)

Paz alone
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 08, 2014, 12:09:30 PM
(http://www.gogmsite.net/_Media/maria-paz-later-princess-in_med.jpeg)

Paz with her sisters Maria del Pilar and Eulalia
Title: Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 08, 2014, 12:11:56 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-edFXxjQ1V4A/TcUqMyHsBmI/AAAAAAAAAt0/SblDj31JjsY/s1600/LA+PAZ+DE+BORBON.jpg)

A spanish book about Paz