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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: grandduchessella on October 07, 2006, 12:08:37 PM

Title: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on October 07, 2006, 12:08:37 PM
Time to start a new thread.  :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Grace on October 07, 2006, 04:08:17 PM
Re: the photo Boffer posted of the Queen in a pearl choker -- I've never before seen her in one!  I know the photo is not recent but that style looks so flattering on HM's neckline, I think it's a pity she hasn't worn it or others in the royal collection more often over the years.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 07, 2006, 04:45:29 PM
There seems to be many in the collection - based on assuming that those belong to Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary have made their way into the vaults. It is most probable that Her Majesty simple doesnt like chockers.

And i recently read first few pages of a chapter about jewels in Paul Burrells new book ........ and it says that Her Majesty's 'vault' is infact a large safe concealed/hidden beheind a large white wardrobe in one of the dressingrooms; with many drawers of jewels.
Whereas Diana's was a simple safe hidden under the stairs.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on October 08, 2006, 01:49:29 AM
I have this fantasy of the jewel vault being this moderately sized room deep within the palace that very few are allowed to see, filled to the brim with all the royal jewels from over the ages. Tiaras, everywhere.  ;) Hopefully we will have a Queen in the not-too distant future who is a TRUE jewelry-lover, and we can see all sorts of hidden and unusual peices come out of the vaults. Also if I was the Queen I would buy back some of the amazing tiaras that went off into minor branches of the family, like Queen Victoria's sapphire tiara and the emerald tiara that excited so much debate on the other thread.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: royal_netherlands on October 08, 2006, 03:21:10 AM
 http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/QEQMPD2.jpg
Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother in 1958 wearing the sapphire and diamond brooch.
And Diana Princess of Wales wearing the same  sapphire and diamond brooch a  the state banquet with Queen beatrix.

RN
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2006, 11:15:30 AM
I heard that quite a lot of the Queen's jewels are in storage, including the stuff she never worn inheirted from Queen Mary.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 08, 2006, 01:09:40 PM
Apparently it is full of jewels never worn (including tiaras) that are there in many drawers.

I dont think they would simply be lying around in boxes in the cellar and would still be in the safe or "vault" - just probably in the most unaccesible drawers and corners.

It does make one wonder how much they have. I wonder if the queen has ever sorted through it all or gone searching for pieces?
I presume that it has been inventoried by Household as with nearly all of the collections that exist (never to be published, of course). But what a task that would have been to sift through jewel after jewel.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on October 08, 2006, 02:40:51 PM
I would gladly undertake that task no matter how long it took.  :)

There were so many loose stones (opals, diamonds, rubies, etc) that were presented over the years to QV and to QA that don't seem to have ever been set into pieces--it really does make you wonder what treasures there are lurking in a vault somewhere.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on October 09, 2006, 05:22:47 PM
Yes, it's such a pity that Her Majesty isn't really fond of jewellery. I gather she views them as necessary 'props' to denote her status in public and on state occaisions. When seeing her at leisure she only seems to wear a suite of pearls and maybe a brooch.

I would imagine that the 'vault' is brimming with gems and so any 'buying back' of former Royal jewels seems unlikely under the current Reign. We may of course see the wives of her heirs sporting many forgotten jewels. The Duchess of Cornwall seems to have made a good start, wearing the Delhi Durbar Tiara and the Boucharon favoured by Her Late Majesty The Queen Mother. Let's hope we see more of the other great Royal pieces in years to come.

R.I.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 10, 2006, 02:19:42 AM
Just flipped through Burell's book. He also know about the Queen's vault where there are tons of royals jewels that had not seen the light of day sibnce Queen mary worn them. QE II picked from this storage the pieces Diana and now Camilla are to wear.

I don't think Alix's fakes are with the real stuff, May made sure who are historical and what are "dress" gems. I think Maud, the most fashionable of Alix's daughters may have the lionshare of those (since they were technical not royal jewels). Maud and Alexandra Fife may also recieved some as momentoes.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on October 10, 2006, 05:39:42 PM
This isn't a royal jewel but speaking of buying items for royal women, seeing as how Camilla seems to like emeralds--this would be a great buy--I'm sure EmeraldEyes would agree!  ;)

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/alt_images.asp?lObjectID=4785967

There are also some emerald bangle bracelets:

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/alt_images.asp?lObjectID=4786008

and a big cabochon emerald ring ( 39.74 carats)

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/alt_images.asp?lObjectID=4786016

Ellen Barkin, the actress, is getting divorced from billionaire Ron Perelman. He apparently gifted her with millions of dollars worth of jewelry. The jewel auction is said by Christie's to be second only to the Duchess of Windsor's and one other (I forget who) in terms of the quality of the jewels.

You can see the whole collection here--I was drooling at just the 2 pages in the latest People magazine. She could actually have given La Liz a serious run for the money!

http://www.christies.com/special_sites/barkin/overview.asp
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 10, 2006, 07:47:24 PM
Oh, GDella, you know just what to do to bring me out of 'lurk' mode...


The emerald bead and gold cuffs belonged to Wallis originally.  If you put them on their sides, with the beads facing upwards, there is an amusing look of a coronet to them.  I don't know if that was intentional or not!   ;)

As for the earrings and the JAR ring, well I was stunned to see the size of the pieces when worn.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/emeraldearringsandJARring.jpg)

Those photos on the Christie's site are wonderful in their detail, but they do lack a method for determining the actual size of things.  Somtetimes a ruler next to the item would go a long way to making one recognize the scale.  Of course, it would spoil the photo of the jewel...so I guess I just can't be pleased!
I believe the divorce has already been finalized and the sale is a way of 'cleansing' herself of her old life as a 'jewel -laden trophy wife' as she put it. 

The sale is tonight and I'm hoping the Christie's site will be updated by tomorrow so that I can see just how much $ these little trifles raised.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on October 10, 2006, 10:16:03 PM
Ah, so the bangle bracelets at least had a Windsor connection.  :)

When I got a look at the emeralds, I just knew you wouldn't be able to resist EE.  ;)

Yes, according to People magazine, she is getting rid of the jewelry as a way of putting the past behind her, even though she was really attached to some of the pieces---and who wouldn't be! Some of the descriptions were jaw-dropping.

I especially liked the earrings---they reminded me of some of the Cambridge emerald drops.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on October 11, 2006, 06:48:01 AM
He actually surprised her with the divorce papers. She's selling the jewels to move on. The rep for Christie's said that their business is based on Death, Divorce and Debt.

It would be interesting to see the Windsor bracelets appear in the British royal house--I wonder if Princess Michael will go after them. Didn't she buy some items at the Duchess of Windsor auction? I still think that, with her other emerald jewelry, it would be a nice touch for Charles to try to get the bracelets for Camilla.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 11, 2006, 11:01:13 AM
The bracelets i think were designed for Wallis by the Duke of Windsor and were purposfully made to resemble a circlet. People said that they are the closest that Mrs Simpson would ever get to a crown.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on October 11, 2006, 11:31:26 AM
So did David design them for Wallis before they were married?

It's a bit weird to wear a crown type thing on your wrist. She did wear some tiara type things, didn't she?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 11, 2006, 06:22:54 PM
Lot 24 - diamond stars - went for $36,000
Lot 42 - emerald drop earrings - went for $352,000
Lot 83 - the Duchess of Windsor's emerald bead and gold cuffs - went for $86,400
Lot 91 - the immense cabochon emerald ring by JAR - went for $363,000

We'll have to wait and see if Princess Michael turns up wearing those cuffs!  Although one would think she might be a bit short of jewel money at the moment...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on October 12, 2006, 10:42:07 AM
You can look at the highlights here:



She even has the Diamond Stars that the Royals like Sisi wore in their hair! :-*
Diamond stars were almost certainly the most popular adornment of the Victorian monied classes.Wether worn singularly as a brooch or pendant or in groups as pendants or in the hair or on a metal frame as a tiara, they epitomise the Era.The Empress Elizabeth of Austria in her famous Winterhalter portrait dazzles with her Kochert stars in her twany hair.Queen Alexandra wore her stars pinned along her dellocotee neckline and down the centre of her gown.Queen Victoria gave a set to her granddaughter Victoria of Hesse on her marriage to Louis of Battenberg and May of Tecks dazzling trio were among the scintillating gems given to mark her debut into society and launched a jewel collection that was breathtaking in its size & splendour
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2006, 02:53:25 AM
I think it could be the set that she gave to her daughter Alice. There was a series of postcards that show Princess Andrew of Greece in a diamond star tiara, necklace and bracelet.  ??? ::)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on October 13, 2006, 11:26:59 AM
I saw Princess Alexandra of Kent with diamond stars in her hair,

where did she get them from, her Grandmother QM?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on October 13, 2006, 11:38:22 AM
I saw Princess Alexandra of Kent with diamond stars in her hair,

where did she get them from, her Grandmother QM?
/quote]At least one of the stars & the diamond necklace given at the same time were later passed on to Princess Mary,later Princess Royal & Countess of Harewood....After that ladies death, her jewel collection was dispersed in a number of sales....
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on October 14, 2006, 02:06:43 AM
So what about Princess Alexandra's stars??

Does anyone know the picture I am speaking of?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on October 14, 2006, 03:22:23 AM
So what about Princess Alexandra's stars??

Does anyone know the picture I am speaking of?
                                                                                                                                                                             Yes the portrait is by Cecil Beaton...             
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on October 14, 2006, 06:37:01 AM
Lot 83 - the Duchess of Windsor's emerald bead and gold cuffs - went for $86,400


We'll have to wait and see if Princess Michael turns up wearing those cuffs!  Although one would think she might be a bit short of jewel money at the moment...

id Princess Michael buy the cuff?.  I remeber reading somewhere that early in her marriage Princess Michael was given a pair of earrings by Wallace when she and Michael paid a call to Wallace in Paris.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on October 14, 2006, 08:37:53 AM
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20nice%20pictures/alexandrah.jpg)

I'm talking about this one.

What are these stars?

Where did they come from?

Where are they now?

 :) ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2006, 08:42:11 PM
I have seen Wooley worn something like that....Perhaps from Princess Nicholas ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 21, 2006, 02:42:50 PM
Hi, not to get of topic but for those that love jewels, check this website out.

http://www.djl.net/jewels/

Where the jewels ever sold? Imelda certainly had good taste! I can't help but like her, love her quotes ;D ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 22, 2006, 01:20:30 PM
I don't know if the auction ever happened...it would seem likely that it would have been in the news if it had.

I remember reading somewhere that she was believed to have purchased this tiara at some point, and broke it up to make more 'wearable' pieces of jewellery.  If that is indeed true, I cannot help but dislike her a great deal.
Definitely one of my all-time favourite tiaras.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/attachment6.jpg)

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 22, 2006, 01:25:52 PM
I asked Boffer if he could make some changes on Queen Mary's amethyst tiara and here is what he came up with.  An excellent job Boffer!!

http://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/msg/1161457368.html
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 22, 2006, 01:29:04 PM
Getting back on topic before the dreaded electrode zap...

I was wondering what everyone feels about the Vladimir when it is worn 'empty'.  I wonder if it just looks empty because we are accustomed to seeing the pearl or emerald drops.  I have to say that I find it very odd that when it is worn without the extras, that you can still clearly make out the fittings for the drops - to my mind that would indicate that it was never intended to be worn in this manner.  Opinions?

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/560747.jpg)

And can I just add that without the pearls/emeralds it looks like it would be a perfect choice to wear at an Olympic committee function.  Maybe boffer could make some minor modifications and use some Olympic-colour stones (rubies, topazes, emeralds, black diamonds...) to make it into a sporting jewel tour de force! 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 22, 2006, 01:30:35 PM
I asked Boffer if he could make some changes on Queen Mary's amethyst tiara and here is what he came up with.  An excellent job Boffer!!

http://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/msg/1161457368.html


I have to say that I loooooove the ruby version, although finding such humongous stones might present a problem.  Imagine how valuable that parure would be? 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 22, 2006, 02:01:39 PM
Apparently Imelda has agreed on an out of coat settlement and it looks likely some jewels will be auctioned.

I agree the Tiara looks odd and rather empty without the pearl drops
:)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2006, 08:51:02 PM
Yes I found it strange without the pearls and emeralds. The empty loops looked really hollow. However Infanta Beatriz did worn her Arquiremarine Tiara (which she inheirted from Ena) without the blue stones and just empty loops at a wedding in Athens during the 60's.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on October 23, 2006, 03:36:53 AM
It is very odd without the emerald or pearl drops...I wonder if the Queen as ever even thought of adding another set of stones..despite her tiara spree in the 1970's she seems to be relatively uninovative in that way....
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 23, 2006, 04:25:23 AM
I wonder if any one else agrees that this tiara wouldnt look bad, if just the central loop had a diamond in it .... and the rest are empty.

I happen to really like it; it draws the eyes to the diamond, which could be a good way of displaying one of the cullinans.

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/untitled-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2006, 04:26:42 AM
I think the only diamond loops design may give the tiara a modern look ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on October 23, 2006, 12:50:55 PM
I like the Vladimir tiara empty. It does look quite refreshing and more modern. But for the sheer grandness and beauty of it I love it with the pearl drops the best.  :)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20nice%20pictures/th_a34307007bu6.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20nice%20pictures/a34307007bu6.jpg)

Click on the picture for a very big view.  :P
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 23, 2006, 02:10:24 PM
Thank you so much for the picture. Do you happen to have a "very big" picture of the rest of that picture? (ie. her necklace and earrings)?

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 23, 2006, 03:21:06 PM
Ho-leee that was humongous!

Is there a discoloured pearl drop there, or is it just the lighting/shadows?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2006, 10:12:33 PM
I think Camilla would look nice with this tiara (without the drops) since she can show her big hairstyle more.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on October 24, 2006, 07:56:48 AM
Thank you so much for the picture. Do you happen to have a "very big" picture of the rest of that picture? (ie. her necklace and earrings)?



Sure Boffer, I have tonnes.  :D

I will supply a couple.

Hmmm, I don't think Camilla will be wearing this tiara any time soon, but I suppose she could eventually. I don't know if it is a discoloured pearl drop? Maybe, but it doesn't detract from the whole piece anyway.

The Queen's choice of jewelry on these state visits was very impressive.

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20nice%20pictures/th_a34307009ly4.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20nice%20pictures/a34307009ly4.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20nice%20pictures/th_a34307010fy4.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20nice%20pictures/a34307010fy4.jpg)

From the other state dinner:

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20nice%20pictures/th_a34347001vb1.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/more%20nice%20pictures/a34347001vb1.jpg)


Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 25, 2006, 08:46:35 AM
The Nizam of Hyderabad necklace really has to be one of my favourites.  It is so regal looking, and despite being one of the workhorses of HM's collection, it always looks fresh to me.  The desgin is lovely, even though it is really quite unusual when you look closely.  I think I read somewhere that the lower pendant is detachable, but I can't recall ever having seen HM wearing it without all the pieces.  Anyone else?

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 25, 2006, 12:56:09 PM
I have never seen Her Majesty wear this without the pendant, but then again Her Majesty has never really altered her jewelery, certainly not the degrees of her grandmother. I think it might look rather odd without the pendant; but it ceretainly is a lovely necklace; i had the pleasure of seeing it this summer at the exhibiton at Buckingham Palace, and i must confess i spent longer looking at the jewels then any other part of the palace.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 25, 2006, 03:19:07 PM
I recently thought i would see what the Vladimir Tiara looks like with a single diamond (Cullinan III) in the central loop. I happen to really like it - what are other people opinions?

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/Jewels-ValdimirTiarasinglediamond.jpg)

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 25, 2006, 03:21:59 PM
Great art work boffer! :)

I think it resembles something phallic like  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 25, 2006, 04:14:41 PM
I recently thought i would see what the Vladimir Tiara looks like with a single diamond (Cullinan III) in the central loop. I happen to really like it - what are other people opinions?



Sorry i meant the Cullinan VIII - is it possible to modify posts?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on October 25, 2006, 06:08:52 PM
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,6708.0.html
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 25, 2006, 08:00:38 PM
I think it resembles something phallic like  ???

Oh my, things are heating up in here!    :o


I think it looks rather good, boffer.  Nice job.  It would be interesting to see this in real life, that's for sure.  It probably wouldn't take much fiddling around to do either, as the hangy-things (yes, that is the technical term  :P ) are already there in the tiara. 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2006, 09:14:44 PM
I like it more with the pearls (can't help being a traditionalist).  :(
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on October 26, 2006, 07:45:22 AM
I don't like it just with the single diamond hanging. Maybe if there were diamonds hanging from all of the ''hangy-things'' it would look good - but alas, that isn't possible.  ::)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 26, 2006, 05:03:52 PM
I recently created these picture, and thought i would share then with people here 
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/Jewels-Aquamarines.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/Jewels-CambridgeEmeraldParure.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/Jewels-Rubies.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/Jewels-Sapphires.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 27, 2006, 08:42:12 AM
Nice compilations boffer.

I suppose this is getting quite picky, but strictly speaking, the Cambridge emeralds did not include the 'Ladies of India' necklace or the carved emerald brooch IIRC. 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 27, 2006, 09:59:34 AM
Yes i know, also it was recently revealed by the royal colection with their website for the summer exhibition that only one of the earrings was a cambridge earring; and the other was found by garrards to match.
I just put them all together as they were worn  :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on October 27, 2006, 10:51:03 AM
That's totally cool.  I didn't know that about the earrings.   :)    Did they mention why there was only one that was a Cambridge?  Was there only one stone of a suitable size remianing at the time the earring idea came up, or was it because the original earring had been lost? (quelle catastrophe!!)  Or did Queen Mary's brother's (can't remember which one it was...) mistress get to keep one of them as a consolation prize?   ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 27, 2006, 11:17:41 AM
I think it is most probably because of size, since Mary Adelaide used to wear some of the drop stones as earrings. And i think the mistress who was left the emeralds, not only recieved far more then their market value for them, but also her silence was bought with one of the brooches. I am not sure what? Possibly one of the round ones since the Duchess of Teck wore a stomacher with two round brooches and a drop. One of which now make the brooch Her Majesty wears often.
I found this interesting when i heard it, as it was never mentioned in Field's book.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Guinastasia on October 27, 2006, 04:26:25 PM
Hi, not to get of topic but for those that love jewels, check this website out.

http://www.djl.net/jewels/

Where the jewels ever sold? Imelda certainly had good taste! I can't help but like her, love her quotes ;D ;D

I can find a great deal to dislike about Imelda, being that she and her husband were ruthless thugs.  She had six hundred pairs of shoes while they stole money from the government and the people of her country starved.  Then she whined about how unfair it all was.

Bah!

At any rate, I too dislike the naked Vladimir tiara-maybe she could have left just one of the drops in? 


Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2006, 08:35:21 PM
I think one of these days the cambridge emerald brooch (taken by the mistress) would come back into the market.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on October 28, 2006, 04:00:21 AM
Unless of course it has already been sold and broken up - because its provenance was not known. That would indeed be a sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 28, 2006, 04:07:43 AM
Hi, not to get of topic but for those that love jewels, check this website out.

http://www.djl.net/jewels/

Where the jewels ever sold? Imelda certainly had good taste! I can't help but like her, love her quotes ;D ;D

I can find a great deal to dislike about Imelda, being that she and her husband were ruthless thugs.  She had six hundred pairs of shoes while they stole money from the government and the people of her country starved.  Then she whined about how unfair it all was.


Well no ones perfect, and they did good things for the country too. When they were in power the Phillipines was second to Japan, now they are second to Indonesia.

And it wasn't 600 shoes it was 1,060.  ;D

Anyway, back to the topic :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: alixaannencova on November 21, 2006, 05:07:11 AM
Does anyone know the provenance of the Duchess of Cornwall's new necklace. HRH wore it last week. The dark stones look like sapphires to me, and it looks like it can be worn as a tiara as well. I do not recall it amongst Cookie's hoard, but the stones may have been reset from some in her old jar.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on November 21, 2006, 11:19:33 AM
Kindly posted by Tamara on the GREMB

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/sapphcam.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on November 21, 2006, 11:32:31 AM
Will HRH be attendding the Reception for the Dioplomatic Corps. tonight at Buckingham Palace?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on November 21, 2006, 11:43:02 AM
I didn't realize it was time for that already!  I would say probably yes, as she did attend last year IIRC.  If this new necklace is convertible to a tiara, we may see it. 
Hopefully she will manage to wear a decent dress, and if there is a Dog in heaven, she will do something - anything -  with that mop of hair.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on November 21, 2006, 11:52:10 AM
Yes, last year she attended wearing her Turquoise Demi-Parure .......... and the Cubbit Diadem (what Laura Parker-Bowles wore on her wedding day this year, as did Camilla in the 1970's).
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on November 21, 2006, 12:00:27 PM

It was also the first appearance for Sophie Wessex's aquamarine tiara, you know, the Klingon one...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/bigt.jpg)

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on November 21, 2006, 01:50:23 PM
I wonder if HRH has been bestowed any orders? I do not suppose it would be the Queen Elizabeth II Family Order, but maybe some lesser ones like HRH The Countess of Wessex recieved the Order of St. John; are announcments of these orders ever made?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on November 21, 2006, 03:05:37 PM
There was an announcement when Sophie got her order, but the awarding of HM's Family Order is never announced.  You just have to wait until it turns up at a formal event. 
My guess would still be 'no' for the family order, but I am open to surprises. 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on November 21, 2006, 03:11:08 PM
Did Sarah, duchess of York ever recieve any orders? I do recall ever seeing her wearing any? and i know that she never recieved the Family Order .... the number of the owners of the Family order seems to be fastly decreasing.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2006, 07:47:22 PM
It seemed that The Queen wasn't as interested at bestowing them now since the royal divorces and marriages.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on November 29, 2006, 03:29:27 PM

I suppose that by now, we have all figured out that the Duchess did not attend the diplomatic corps reception...

But over on the RJOTWMB, Wymanda and Sofia have brought this to our fellow posters attention - two more of Wallis' jewels are coming back on the market.

http://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/msg/1164715807.html

Personally I don't think much of the bracelet, but I adore that pin!

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 29, 2006, 05:46:39 PM
Did Sarah, duchess of York ever recieve any orders? I do recall ever seeing her wearing any? and i know that she never recieved the Family Order .... the number of the owners of the Family order seems to be fastly decreasing.

Unlike Edward VII and George V, George VI and Elizabeth II are quite stingy in giving out the Royal Family Order in comparison.  Women married into the Royal Family as opposed to born into it have to wait a few years before the Queen presents them with her Royal Family Order.  The Duchess of Kent, the  Duchess of Gloucester,  Diana, and Sophie Wessex all received the Order  well after their weddings.  No, Sarah never received it and although Marie-Christine has salivated for years yearning for the Royal Family Order, it's doubtful she will ever get it.  As for the Queen's newest daughter-in-law, she might be awarded the Royal Family Order once the Queen reaches a point in her later years when she's too gaga to know what she's doing.

I read somewhere that Sophie's Order is second hand and that it once belonged to Diana.  I suppose it's possible.  *shrug*
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2006, 08:11:47 PM
Indeed...Recent development in Royal marriages had made the Queen even more cautios about giving them out...Understandably.  :(
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on December 05, 2006, 10:11:55 PM
Does anyone know what happened to this tiara--or anything about it? It was a wedding present from George V and Queen Mary to Princess Alexandra of Fife (the King's niece) when she married Prince Arthur of Connaught (the King's cousin).

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/image863fifeconnaughw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/image862fifeconnaughw.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2006, 10:58:35 PM
Maybe it was sold or inheited by Alexandra's sister Maud's family... ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: joye on December 11, 2006, 12:14:43 AM
Thanks to those who replied re where are parts  1 2 3 & 4.
Real shame they no longer exist. Such a lot of valuable phots and info and discussion  gone.
No questions thanks  emeraldseyes.
Just thought of something emeraldeyes, are you able to access Canadian archives  and get photos or descriptions of the Dogwood jewellery gifted to QEII.
 Would be great if you could . Thanks.

joye







Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on December 11, 2006, 07:23:55 PM
Just thought of something emeraldeyes, are you able to access Canadian archives  and get photos or descriptions of the Dogwood jewellery gifted to QEII.
 Would be great if you could . Thanks.

joye


I am afraid I wouldn't have a clue where to start on that one, although I have often wondered just what that necklace looks like. 








Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on December 11, 2006, 07:25:20 PM
Does anyone know what happened to this tiara--or anything about it? It was a wedding present from George V and Queen Mary to Princess Alexandra of Fife (the King's niece) when she married Prince Arthur of Connaught (the King's cousin).

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/image863fifeconnaughw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/image862fifeconnaughw.jpg)

I usually don't quote pics, but wow, that is a massive thing!  Where on earth did you dig up these pictures?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 11, 2006, 08:49:14 PM
It was a massive and grand tiara in the garland style. I am sad that I haven't saw a photo of Alexandra Fife wore that tiara... :(
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on December 11, 2006, 09:31:29 PM
EE--it was from the ILN wedding issue for Alexandra & Arthur. That and the Graphic wedding supplement are treasure troves!

Eric--I agree, I haven't seen a picture of Alexandra wearing it and it's disappointing. I wonder if it was too big for her tastes? After WW1, with the change in hairstyles, many tiaras became smaller and lighter. Plus, she had the gorgeous Fife tiara at her disposal. Still, not a bad gift from her uncle and aunt.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2006, 01:33:38 AM
Indeed...I wonder if they sold it or passed it to her sister Maud.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on December 12, 2006, 02:52:06 AM
EE--it was from the ILN wedding issue for Alexandra & Arthur. That and the Graphic wedding supplement are treasure troves!

Eric--I agree, I haven't seen a picture of Alexandra wearing it and it's disappointing. I wonder if it was too big for her tastes? After WW1, with the change in hairstyles, many tiaras became smaller and lighter. Plus, she had the gorgeous Fife tiara at her disposal.






















Still, not a bad gift from her uncle and aunt.  ;)
YEs but she was also marrying George V's first cousin so it was a double gift to buy!!!!!!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 21, 2006, 03:12:53 PM
Isn't this lovely? The Queen should really wear it.

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1166677904.html
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on December 21, 2006, 03:39:10 PM
I wonder if such items are stored in the safe's with the rest of the jewellery or in cabinets of other Fabergé; if the latter, then i am sure it would have long been forgotten as a "wearable" item.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on December 22, 2006, 10:33:58 PM
I think that no matter where many of these forgotten items are stored, they remain just that, forgotten.  What a shame.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 23, 2006, 04:04:49 AM
I agree with you EE. It is a shame. I suppose with so so many lovely items it is to be expected...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Robert_Hall on December 23, 2006, 07:30:44 AM
The Faberge items are on display quite often. Either  at the Royal Gallery or on loan to other museums.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on December 24, 2006, 02:48:22 AM
Twice this year I have been to the Royal Gallery(I stay almost opposite in a wonderful hotel,The Rubens).On both in both cases there was a sizeable collection of Faberge on display...Imperial Eggs at least 20 of the celebrated flowes studies ( the chrysanthemums & bleeding heart are my favourites), Mrs Keppels cigarette case & some animals...there was also various jewelled orders..the great diamond rivere with drop & matching earrings  worn by the Queen at her coronation & the snuff box bought by Queen Mary & originally in Fredrick the Greats collection...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on December 25, 2006, 09:34:22 PM
Would these be some of the objets you saw?  Lucky you!!

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/Cigarettecase-Faberge-1908.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/FabergeBouquet.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on December 26, 2006, 01:58:32 PM
Indeed they were emerald eyes..THANKYOU
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 01, 2007, 08:47:21 PM
My pleasure ashdean.   :)
I have to say that the bleeding hearts are one of my faves too. 


On a totally different subject - We all know that Queen Alexandra replaced the opals that were originally in QV's regal Indian circlet tiara with rubies, and that is the version of the piece that we still see being worn to this day.  Of all the photos I have seen on this and numerous other boards/forums, I have yet to see a picture of Queen Alexandra wearing either version of this tiara.  Does anyone out there know of such a pic?  I mean, if she went to the trouble of switching out the opals, you would think it was because she meant to wear the thing!   :-\
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 01, 2007, 10:28:27 PM
One thing I've noticed about Queen Alexandra is, while she had a good deal of jewelry, when it came to tiaras she seemed to prefer just a couple of them on any consistent basis. EE is right that she must've worn the others, it just seems that when it came to occasions where she would be photographed, she chose one of her favorites--such as the Rundell tiara or the Kokoshnik.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on January 02, 2007, 07:01:41 AM
I remember reading in Queen Mary's biography, something along the lines that Queen Alexandra had told her the best place to aquire a Jet Diadem. So that makes it obvious that both Queen Mary and Queen Alexandra had these diadems (most probably to comply with Queen Vitcoria's Mouring Court).

But there have never been any pictures of them being worn, so i do indeed wonder what they would have been like, the quantity of such pieces in their collections and whether or not they have survived.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on January 02, 2007, 12:44:10 PM
I remember reading in Queen Mary's biography, something along the lines that Queen Alexandra had told her the best place to aquire a Jet Diadem. So that makes it obvious that both Queen Mary and Queen Alexandra had these diadems (most probably to comply with Queen Vitcoria's Mouring Court).

But there have never been any pictures of them being worn, so i do indeed wonder what they would have been like, the quantity of such pieces in their collections and whether or not they have survived.
Queen Mary gave her jet diadem away (to a museum with other jet jewelry)...I think the information is to be found in Suzy Menkes book...Mary hated mourning & the wearing of "white" jewelry i.e. diamonds & pearls instead of jet....came in with her accession as Queen..7 also the loosening of the victorian mourning traditions.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 02, 2007, 01:12:53 PM
I thought Queen Alexandra was the first to opt for 'white' jewels during mourning.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 02, 2007, 01:37:14 PM
From Menkes 'The Royal Jewels':

"...Queen Mary divested herself of all the mourning jewellery that she had collected and inherited.  The jet diadems that her own mother Princess Mary Adelaide had recommended to the young Princess Alexandra were handed over to the London Museum, along with jet necklaces and brooches, hair combs and liquorice black butterfly-headed hair pins, the brooch carved 'In Memory of My Dead Brother' and a clutter of memento mori.  In one grand gesture, Queen Mary, who had an inborn dislike of wearing black, sloughed off all the paraphernalia of royal mourning that Queen Victoria had amassed as a widow for forty years."


And the picture that accompanies this text:


(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/qmmourningjewelry.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 02, 2007, 09:24:58 PM
Thanks for the picture and info, EE.

Queen Mary didn't just have a dislike for black, she had a deep discomfort with illness, death and the accompanying trappings of mourning. Pope-Hennessey's bio on her touches on this somewhat and it seems it went back to the time that the young Teck children spent with their ill grandmother, the Duchess of Cambridge. Unlike many royal widows--and her 2 immediate predecessors--she was out of mourning clothes for George V within the acceptable period of time, not because of lack of grief, but because she couldn't abide the mourning clothes and colors.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on January 04, 2007, 07:55:03 PM
Was Princess May of Teck (aka Queen Mary) required to wear mourning for Eddy?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 04, 2007, 09:39:49 PM
To be sure. 

I think I have a pic somewhere of Princess May in mourning for Eddy.  I will attempt to uncover it from the deepest, darkest corners of my photobucket...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 05, 2007, 04:04:57 AM
Their is also a set of photos of her in mourning covered in jewels. I think it might have been mourning for QV or Edward VII.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 05, 2007, 09:01:33 AM
Are you referring to this set Eddieboy?

(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs4/maryofteck1867-13.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: CHRISinUSA on January 05, 2007, 10:38:11 AM
This has probably already been answered earlier or in another thread, and the jewelry experts among us will probably think this a rather basic question, but I've always wondered about the practice of "loaning out" royal jewels to female royals.

The Queen - and her predecessors - often "give" jewels to female royals, which revert back to the cookie jar upon the receipients death (or divorce I suppose).  My first question is - Is this a formal process involving a decree/contract/written agreement, or simply an informal family tradition? 

My second question derives from the first - does the Queen grant onlyl her personal jewels, or also jewels owned by the Crown and held by her as monarch?

It would seem to me that if the jewels in question belonged privately to the Queen, then she could loan them out informally to family members and be fairly certain of their subsequent return.  But is she free to loan out Crown owned pieces at her discretion without any formal guarantee of return?

Finally, what pieces are currently known to be "on loan" from the Queen and who has them?  If I'm not mistaken, Sarah's tiara was a wedding gift to her (ie. hers privately) and I don't know of any other pieces she received.  Diana of course received the Lovers Knot Tiara, the Cambridge Emerald Choker / headband, and a number of other pieces.  Sophie isn't a big jewelry wearer and I don't know what she's got.  How about Anne - are any of her jewels "Queen or Crown owned" or are they all hers privately?  How about the Kents/ Glouchesters?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 05, 2007, 12:12:09 PM
That is the one! Thank you GD Ella - I knew you would know ;) What is the occasion? Is she in mourning for QV do you know?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 05, 2007, 12:20:04 PM
You raise a couple of very interesting questions.  I'm not sure if the loaning out would be as formal as a contract would make it.  I believe that the Queen's dresser 'signs out' jewels when they are needed for HM's own use, so I would imagine that if the Queen were to loan out a particulart piece - for whatever period of time - that it would have to be 'signed out' as well.   If an item were being loaned on a more extended basis (ie for the lifetime of the recipient) it would be noted in the database as such, therefore giving a trail of its whereabouts.  This would presumably eliminate any potential of the item going missing - after all the Queen would have considerable resources to recover any missing item.  Still, in this day and age, a legal contract might be a good idea.
Your second question - about Crown items - is also intriguing.  When Queen Victoria left numerous items to the Crown, she stipulated that they were to be worn by future queens.  I would be very surprised if the Gloucesters, Kents or even the Princess Royal were permitted to borrow any of these items.  However, that being said, I suppose that the Monarch, as ulitmate caretaker of the Crown items, would have the final say in whether a lesser member of the family would be given the opportunity to wear them.  Of course, we are all aware of the situation of how Cookie held on to the crown rubies as long as possible - Queen Elizabeth has been widely quoted as saying that she knew "Mummy will give them back some day."
And as far as the Kents/Gloucesters borrowing any of HM's private pieces, I would also doubt that very much.  In addition to the wedding tiara, Sarah received a demi-parure of a modern floral design necklace and earrings - it may have also included a bracelet.  Sophie's wedding tiara may have given her pause to decline any further gifts of jewelry once she saw it.    :o

As always, please contradict me if am mistaken on anything!  :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ChristineM on January 05, 2007, 01:15:04 PM
That is an absolutely amazing photograph.   Thanks Grandduchessella.

tsaria
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 05, 2007, 01:28:40 PM
I agree Tsaria! Majestic Mary. She was so regal. As lovely as they are, how she managed to wear so many necklaces without feeling choked I will never know!! Do you think all the long ropes of pearls still belong in the collection? The Queen should wear them they are very impressive.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 05, 2007, 01:35:00 PM
The choker looks like the one that went to the Gloucesters.  Can't say about the others.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on January 05, 2007, 02:01:16 PM
The Queen has been known to make strand necklaces from "family pearls" so my guess would be that she has broken up some of the longer ropes.

But of course at the evening gala at the opera for the Queen Mothers 100th Birthday, Her Majesty wore long ropes of pearls, which suggests that there are many in the collection.

It does make one wonder the extent of the collection.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 05, 2007, 02:56:35 PM
Hello to all...sorry but I am unable to locate the pics of Queen Mary in mourning for Eddy.  I will look deeper.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 05, 2007, 03:00:39 PM
That is the one! Thank you GD Ella - I knew you would know ;) What is the occasion? Is she in mourning for QV do you know?

I believe she is in mourning for Queen Victoria. I checked some of my photos and the captions say 'Duchess of Cornwall and York' and another 'Princess of Wales' so that seems to confirm the date.

I have never seen photos of her wearing mourning for Eddy. There's an engagement series of her with Eddy where she's wearing mourning and I've always wondered who it was for.

As for some of the jewels QM is wearing in the photo, you can see:

The Rose of York bracelet (with the center part detachable to wear as a brooch), a wedding gift from GV
The Teck stomacher
The Surrey (?) Tiara, a wedding gift
I believe one of the brooches is the diamond spray which was a wedding gift from Empress Eugenie

There are about 8 poses (or at least angles) from this sitting.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 05, 2007, 03:15:55 PM
Eureka!  They're only snapshots, but I knew I had seen them somewhere!  Both pics from "Queen Mary's Photograph Albums" edited by Christopher Warwick


(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/qmme5.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/qmme6.jpg)

There are a few others in the book, but they are all very dark and did not scan well enough to post.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 05, 2007, 03:26:40 PM
Is this the one with Eddy GDella?

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/witheddy.jpg)


Other poses from the session of GDella's pic

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/QueenMary-SurreyTiaraseated.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/M2-216917HQ.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/tiaranecklacesurreyandlargeoldstoma.jpg)

I think this could be the pin - wedding gift from some 'Ladies of the Stage'
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/weddingbroochfromladiesofthestage.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Grace on January 05, 2007, 04:07:53 PM
Here's another snapshot only of May in mourning for Eddy, 1892.  Her mother, Mary Adelaide, is on the left.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/mourning2.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 05, 2007, 04:50:54 PM
Yes, EE, that's the one. There are 2 other poses as well--one of May & Eddy alone and one with the Teck family. Mary Adelaide is in mourning as well and the men are in somber suits.

Also, that's the pin I was thinking of. I didn't have my info in front of me so I mistakenly ID'd it as from Eugenie--thanks for the correction! Eugenie's gift is more of a feather rather than a spray. Does anyone know what happened to those pins?

And lastly, I'd forgotten about those pictures in QM's Albums (a very good book by the way) and didn't make the connection with Eddy. I think the one that Grace posted is from the Pope-Hennessey bio or is it also from QM's Albums? I really need to go through my books again.  :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 05, 2007, 05:05:57 PM
Yup, Grace's pic is in Queen Mary's Photrograph Albums although it could also be in the Pope-HenneSsey as that is one book that I have yet to scavenge.   

It's so wonderful to have the problem of having so many books that you can't remember everything that's in them! 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on January 06, 2007, 12:51:24 PM

But of course at the evening gala at the opera for the Queen Mothers 100th Birthday, Her Majesty wore long ropes of pearls, which suggests that there are many in the collection.


Thank you! :) Would love to see a photo :)

Looking at them now, they are not quite as long as i remembered but clearly they are longer then what we are used to seeing.

(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o4/boffer1990/pearls3rowloose.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Taren on January 06, 2007, 03:36:51 PM
Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but it's something I've been wondering about. In her will, Queen Alexandra left David some jewels to be given to his future queen. Were the jewels in question ever given to Wallis and if so, which jewels were they? Or were they purchased by George VI to be kept in the royal family?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 07, 2007, 07:26:40 AM
Thank you for posting the pic boffer! I imagined they would be right down to the Queens waist!

Taren, I don't know if the question has ever been solved, Apparently there were the "Alexandra emeralds" which caused quite a stir at the time as it was thought they had been amongst the jewels that were stolen from Wallis. I did read these emeralds were bequeathed to Princess Victoria who later sold them. Is all very confusing though.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 07, 2007, 04:03:38 PM
Here's an interesting article on the subject of the Duke & Duchess of Windsor jewel theft:

http://www.etoile.co.uk/Columns/RoyalScribe/040329.html

The pertinent part about the emeralds:

"The rumor goes that when Princess Alexandra of Denmark arrived in England in 1863, she carried with her a valuable collection of uncut emeralds, given to her as a gift from the Danish people. According to the scandalmongers, the then Prince of Wales had inherited these emeralds from Alexandra for the purpose of passing them down to his future wife, the next queen of England. Speculation over the story came to a head just before the abdication when, it was claimed, Wallis’ divorce attorney was sent to retrieve the emeralds from her in Cannes....Even Lady Dudley, the duke and duchess’s hostess at Ednam Lodge, was later quoted as saying that the stolen jewelry box had contained “HRH’s (the duke’s) fantastic collection of Fabergé boxes and a great many uncut emeralds which I believe belonged to Queen Alexandra.” 

Shortly after the robbery, the story once again captured the public imagination and gave rise to the theory that the royal family had orchestrated the robbery in an attempt to recover the emeralds once and for all.  With little regard to the evidence of the case and with no confirmation that the emeralds had ever even existed, the theory was generally considered to have merit and plagued the duke and duchess throughout their lives. To the modern observer, however, the holes in this theory are glaring.

To begin with, Lady Dudley’s claim that the stolen jewelry box contained “uncut emeralds” that had belonged to Queen Alexandra is ridiculous, as it is highly unlikely that, if they even existed, such important emeralds would have remained uncut for 80 years, especially in the hands of the flashy Duchess of Windsor. Even if the stones had been cut and put into settings, they don’t appear to have been in her jewelry box. The official list of stolen jewels, which was provided to police and the insurance company, includes only one emerald – a ring consisting of a relatively small 7.81-carat square cut stone. Historical accounts of the robbery place a great deal of emphasis on the fact that the list contained the word ‘etcetera,’ and imply that this was a tactic by the duke and duchess to obscure their possession of the emeralds. Perhaps, but it is more likely that ‘etcetera’ was a reference to the mates of the some 18 unmatched earrings recovered on the Sunningdale golf course the following day. 

The smaller details out of the way, we can address one of the foundations of the original rumor – that the duke had inherited the emeralds from his grandmother. In fact, Queen Alexandra died intestate in 1925, and her three remaining children – Queen Maud of Norway, Princess Victoria of Wales and King George V (along with Queen Mary) – met together at Sandringham to divide all of her belongings in equal portions among them. Since many of the jewels Alexandra had worn in her lifetime had been considered held in trust for future queens of England, only her truly private collection of jewels remained. If there had been a large cache of important emeralds among her remaining jewels, it’s doubtful that Queen Mary – who had a mania for jewels – would have let go of them so readily, especially to a son she considered irresponsible. Some of the most important emeralds in the present queen’s collection – the Cambridge emeralds and Delhi Durbar emeralds – were acquired by Queen Mary and carefully passed down to her granddaughter. 

Whatever was passed to the then Prince of Wales from Alexandra’s belongings came to him via his parents and would have been a matter of public record, at least among the royal family. In fact, it was no secret that Alexandra’s collection of Fabergé boxes, which was stored in the duchess’s jewelry box and had been abandoned during the robbery on one of the windowsills at Ednam Lodge, had been passed down to him after her death. 

But if these explanations leave any doubt in the mind, Leslie Field solidly debunks the myth of “Alexandra’s emeralds” and offers a conclusive end to the story in “The Queen’s Jewels: The Personal Collection of Elizabeth II.”  Field, whose extensive research into the queen’s collection was helped along by Her Majesty’s Household, confirmed that the precise records of the wedding gifts given to the Victorian Prince and Princess of Wales did not include “a great many uncut emeralds.” There is no doubt that Alexandra received many precious gems upon her marriage, emeralds included, but they were all set into various pieces of jewelry, and there is no record of anything like Lady Dudley and others had suggested. "
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 07, 2007, 04:06:39 PM
It's interesting to note that in a letter to the Editor to Time magazine in 1937 about the Duke of Windsor, a write wrote in this:

"he dismissed hundreds of employees at Balmoral & Sandringham, and sold off everything on these properties which was salable, and with the money thus saved and raised, he bought priceless emeralds for Mrs. Simpson. These emeralds were the property of Queen Alexandra who left them to Princess Victoria, who in turn sold them to Garrard's of Bond Street, where King Edward bought them. . . .As to the emeralds, I should have added that Garrard's the jewelers who bought them from Princess Victoria, sent them to Cartier's in Paris, and it was actually Cartier's who made the sale, on behalf of Garrard's to King Edward. As I said before, these stones are very large and magnificent, but have many flaws. The lady who gave me this information, is a personal friend of Queen Mary and members of the Royal Family, but I cannot tell you her name.

May I suggest to you that the lady who will be very much in the eye of society, if not the public, will be the Hon. Mrs. Ronald Greville, a very rich lady, who has always been very much with the new King & Queen (indeed their honeymoon was spent at Polesden Lacey, her country house) and who is supposed to have named the Queen as her eventual heiress.

E. A. L. BENNETT Paris, France  "

So the stories were around from practically the beginning of the marriage. And love the prescient bit about Mrs Greville and her future 'heiress' who did, in fact, inherit a well-known set of emeralds from the lady.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2007, 07:28:36 PM
I think Mrs. Genville also left money to Queen Ena too, altrhough not the jewels (to Cookie instead).  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 08, 2007, 09:00:12 AM
Wills are public documents in the UK aren't they?  Does anyone know how to go about seeing a copy of Mrs. Greville's will?  I have often wondered just which crumbs went to Cookie.  We know that there was the honeycomb diamond tiara, the massive five strand diamond necklace, and the emerald necklace - that I would love to have a clear picture of (hint, hint...) - and I think I read somewhere that there was also a pair of diamond and ruby clips (that might have been on Magnolia's site - not sure).
Does anyone know how to go about doing this? 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ChristineM on January 08, 2007, 10:05:03 AM
Wills are public documents in the UK.   

In England and Wales, the place to search is the Public Records Office at Kew.    You should be able to search on-line.

tsaria
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 08, 2007, 10:12:31 AM
ooh, how exciting!   I will make an attempt.  (crosses fingers)

Many thanks tsaria!!!!  :-*
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on January 08, 2007, 01:36:16 PM
It is easy to get copies of wills in the Uk...However Mrs Grevilles will may not list all her gems....It will be interesting to find out...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 08, 2007, 01:50:32 PM
I went to the the National Archives site and searched but to no avail.  Unless I am reading the info incorrectly, only wills prior to 1858 are listed on-line, later documents must be requested in writing.  An address was provided, so I suppose that will be my next move, although something tells me this might take a looooooonnnnnnnnngggggggg time. 
ashdean, why do you think that the will might not list the all the gems?  Do you think maybe it might just say something like, "to Queen Elizabeth I leave my jewels", or "to Queen Elizabeth I leave the contents of my safety deposit box number 123456, deposited in the bank of abc."  I hadn't thought of that, and that would be a huge bummer.  >:(

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 08, 2007, 02:02:34 PM
It might say something along the lines of "I leave this ring to so and so....my remaining jewellery I leave too HM Queen Elizabeth"

Apparently at the time the royal family where reluctant to disclose exactly what had come their way. Do you think Mrs Grenville realised that Queen Mary still had the bulk of the collection and that Queen Elizabeth had few peaces? Very kind of her to say the least.

Those earrings later given to the Queen were very impressive.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 08, 2007, 02:31:01 PM
Apparently at the time the royal family where reluctant to disclose exactly what had come their way. Do you think Mrs Grenville realised that Queen Mary still had the bulk of the collection and that Queen Elizabeth had few peaces? Very kind of her to say the least.

That could very well have been the motivation for the bequest to QEQM.  I assume the couple had been child-free?  Mrs. Greville certainly ensured herself a place in the annals of the royal jewel collection by leaving such magnificent pieces to QEQM - perhaps that was the overriding consideration?  Leaving a fabulous legacy??

Those earrings later given to the Queen were very impressive.

Sorry, which earrings and which queen?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 08, 2007, 04:02:30 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but the present Queen received a pair of earrings with every different cut of diamond :o. It might have been on the occasion of her 21st birthday. They are quite spectacular and orginally belonged to Mrs Grenville! :)

I'm probably completely wrong - ashdean will know! :):)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2007, 08:06:11 PM
would love to know more about Mrs. Genville and her bequest to the late Queen Mother.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 08, 2007, 09:06:39 PM
These ones Eddieboy?

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/qeiiear.jpg)

According to Field they were a wedding present to Princess Elizabeth in 1947, a gift from her parents and she was not able to wear them until she had her ears pierced.
Looks like they may be the earrings in this picture.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/qeiiear2.jpg)

Menkes also says they were a part of her parents' wedding gift to her, but Field and Menkes have been wrong before...

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 08, 2007, 09:19:47 PM
On Ursula's site, it says this:

"In the new biography of the late Queen, pages 231-33 deal almost excusively with the Greville inheritance. At her death Mrs Greville left a staggering £1.5 million, with all jewels except those already bequeathed going to the Queen. The jewels remained in their boxes for several years as the King was unsure of accpeting gifts from subjects. The Queen finally wore Mrs Greville's tiara for the first time in 1947. Above in the original version, later, it was altered from Cartier with several diamonds on the top."

Here's a link to the page with some photos:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/qmum.htm
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 08, 2007, 09:35:16 PM
Here's a replica set of the Durbar jewelry--maybe EE would like this for her birthday?  ;)

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n63/hoardersworld/durbaremeraldset1c.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2007, 01:55:41 AM
Love the five row diamond necklace ! Anyway is there a photo of Mrs. Genville ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on January 09, 2007, 08:27:55 AM
I'm surprised at the lack of them given her fame, in her age, as a hostess and society figure. This is all I could find:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/mode2.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on January 09, 2007, 09:51:36 AM
I'm surprised at the lack of them given her fame, in her age, as a hostess and society figure. This is all I could find:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/mode2.jpg)
There is a book called "The Great Hostesses" which has a chapter on Dame Margaret Greville..her mysterious birth...her marriage to the Hon Renard Greville etc..it is obvious her fathers huge fortune (McEwan breweries) bought her a way into society...She collected celebrities & later royalties with great cunning & no mean expenditure...Her husband (who predeceased his father denying her the title Lady Greville) was best friends from his school days with Alice Keppels husband..the couples became inseperable & if anything that was Maggies main springboard into haute societe...She wished to adopt the Keppels younger daughter Sonia (Camilla's grandmother) but was not allowed & instead became a generous godmother....Her lust for society & acceptance was no doubt because of her illegitimacy and later because of a long childless widowhood....
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2007, 08:12:06 PM
Wow ! Must get that book. I wonder if a bio on her would be possible. She was evidently close to both Queen Ena & the late Queen Mother as she left a legacy for both of them.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Viscount on January 10, 2007, 10:36:42 AM
Mrs. Ronald Greville, had little regard for arrogant aristocrats and once said -

"I would rather be a beeress, than a peeress."



The Viscount.


 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2007, 08:03:46 PM
Interesting...Must know more. I wonder if the Royal archievs have letters from her via the Queen Mother ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Lucien on January 11, 2007, 09:47:14 AM
Curious pic/funny thread:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1168508606.html

Courtesy Octavius & Nellie.(GREMB)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2007, 08:09:31 PM
Crown without jewels... :(
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on January 12, 2007, 05:17:34 AM
Crown without jewels... :(
It was common in the past to remove the gems and have a new crown made...it would look better if pastes had been used...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 12, 2007, 08:44:18 AM
Here's a replica set of the Durbar jewelry--maybe EE would like this for her birthday?  ;)

Thanks for thinking of me GDella  :-* , but the optimist in me is still hoping for the genuine article...(deep sigh, looks away into the distance...)

I have sent my letter requesting a copy of Mrs. Greville's will to someplace called the Court Service York Probate Sub-Registry in York.  I will provide an update once I have more info to share.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on January 12, 2007, 12:22:27 PM
Here's a replica set of the Durbar jewelry--maybe EE would like this for her birthday?  ;)

Thanks for thinking of me GDella  :-* , but the optimist in me is still hoping for the genuine article...(deep sigh, looks away into the distance...)

I have sent my letter requesting a copy of Mrs. Greville's will to someplace called the Court Service York Probate Sub-Registry in York.  I will provide an update once I have more info to share.
Did you send the fee too..its usually £5 at that office.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 12, 2007, 12:28:12 PM
No I didn't.
The website did not provide the amount of the fee  >:(.  I asked them to contact me via email with any requirements so a request would not have to cross the ocean needlessly.  Hopefully my 'case worker' will be able to comply with my wishes.
£5 does not seem like a bad price to me, I was thinking it might be more.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 15, 2007, 08:35:01 PM
Hope for more info soon....Thanks you all.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 25, 2007, 12:08:17 PM
I have had a reply from Her Majesty's Court Service requesting my £5 and I am mailing my money order off today.  The service standard appears to be 21 days, so I'm thinking I might have a copy of the will in my hot little hands by early March, taking into consideration the time necessary for ocean crossings.  Here's hoping we get some juicy details! 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 25, 2007, 08:45:06 PM
Good luck ! Waiting to hear the juicy details  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on January 26, 2007, 08:38:31 AM
Just reading the edited diaries of Sir Alan Lascelles..who was a secretary to George VI...in it he mentions briefly but scathingly Mrs Greville.In August 1942 (a month before her death) she is at Balmoral for tea in her wheelchair..He comments  that for 25 years ahe has been a mischief maker....Obviously Maggie was not everyones favourite!!.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on January 26, 2007, 08:41:07 AM
The book is "Kings Counsellor" editor Duff Hart-Davis, published by Weidenfeld& Nicolson 2006
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on January 26, 2007, 08:48:25 AM
Something tells me that she was a divisive character - that you either loved or hated. 

Everyone will think I am crazy but I actually dreamt about that blasted will last night...I think I need a vacation! Or another hobby.  :-\  ???  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2007, 08:49:17 AM
A book worth buying ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on March 06, 2007, 06:26:03 AM
Does anyone have a better picture of HM diamond bracelet with the with and gray (black?) pearls??
Was it a gift during a state vistit?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on March 06, 2007, 06:27:33 AM
[bracelet4.jpg][/img]
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on March 06, 2007, 06:44:14 AM
http://pro.corbis.com/popup/Enlargement.aspx?mediauids={e7169d61-262c-46e4-b537-b251c0a02e19}|{ffffffff-ffff-ffff-ffff-ffffffffffff}&qsPageNo=20&fdid=&Area=Search&TotalCount=993&CurrentPos=4&WinID={e7169d61-262c-46e4-b537-b251c0a02e19}
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on March 06, 2007, 08:48:24 AM
The only mention I can find of it is on page 124 of Field's book where it simply says:
     " On her right wrist is a bracelet of diamond links and circles, set with atlernate large black and natural pearls."
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o4/boffer1990/DSC00655.jpg)(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o4/boffer1990/DSC00656.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 06, 2007, 08:56:32 AM
The only mention I can find of it is on page 124 of Field's book where it simply says:
     " On her right wrist is a bracelet of diamond links and circles, set with atlernate large black and natural pearls."
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o4/boffer1990/DSC00655.jpg)(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o4/boffer1990/DSC00656.jpg)
HM is reported to have had it made in the 1950's.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 06, 2007, 09:58:25 AM
It's beautiful.  :) HM has so many treasures, many that we don't get to see or hardly ever see.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on March 06, 2007, 03:19:33 PM
Many thanks for this super pic!!!!!!!and the information :-))
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2007, 07:10:53 PM
Thanks for the great pic and information. !!! As a jewelry buff. I just love new info...Appreciate it !  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 06, 2007, 09:23:15 PM
Holy Moley!Tap those keys Possums!Go to E-bay,type in Duchess of Windsor/Jewelry.Jeepers!Some one out of Vancouver is offering fabulous pieces supposedly once owned by Wallis,that have been languishing in some ladies private collection!!!!!-DR :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 07, 2007, 01:13:08 AM
(http://members.shaw.ca/jebsenimaging/a13%20lolite%20diamond%20earring.jpg)

Thanks for the tip Damaskrose. These earrings are only $3000.

They are in this person's ebay list: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZjebsenrarejewelsQQhtZ-1
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2007, 02:37:52 AM
Did Wallis actually owned those ? They are ugly... :(
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 07, 2007, 03:04:40 AM
Apparently. They aren't too bad!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2007, 04:00:34 AM
Well...beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder. Like Wallis herself.  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 07, 2007, 07:32:36 AM
Basil,That seller is the same one offering those other little trinkets!I'm wondering if they are legitimate pieces or reproductions?Seems like a private sale in regard to these would have been wiser on the part of thr seller and buyer?-DR
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 07, 2007, 07:44:40 AM
I'm not sure. I think they are genuinely from Wallis's collection, but not major items. The necklaces really look like her style - the sapphire one particularly. I think they were hers.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 07, 2007, 08:04:33 AM
If you have not seen the other items up for bidding,it is a MUST.One necklace is starting at 24 thous.,another at 23 thous.,a ring at 8 thou.and I believe there is another piece.The sapphires featured are cabochons and the pearls are the largest tahitians I have ever seen,supposedly a parting gift to Edward from QM.-DR
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 07, 2007, 08:17:18 AM
I saw them. I like the ring.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 07, 2007, 08:26:08 AM
Basil,THEY are spectacular.Certainly her style indeed.Given that these are offered by the same seller it is possible they are from someones collection and entirely legitimate.I do have reservations about purchasing such high end items on line,the starting prices alone are completely out of my strathosphere!!!They are fabulous.-DR
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2007, 08:32:54 PM
I am sure they will fetch much.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 07, 2007, 10:11:25 PM
Eric!!!Have you seen them?????-DR :o :o :o
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2007, 10:23:37 PM
Yes...but they list it as only property of an important lady.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 07, 2007, 10:38:03 PM
Exactly ??? ??? ???I will pm you with a juicy tidbit....... :P :P-DR
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 08, 2007, 01:29:42 AM
Thanks !  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Lucien on March 08, 2007, 05:17:25 AM
The annual Art and Antique fair TEFAF started last night in Maastricht,The Netherlands.See under jewellery,scroll down to item 26,the diamond rose brooche of the late Princess Margaret.

http://www.tefaf.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=4&tabindex=3

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 08, 2007, 07:55:18 AM
Lucien,I tried to pull it up but was unsuccessful.Would someone post a pic please? ;D-DR
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 08, 2007, 11:17:26 AM
The annual Art and Antique fair TEFAF started last night in Maastricht,The Netherlands.See under jewellery,scroll down to item 26,the diamond rose brooche of the late Princess Margaret.

http://www.tefaf.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=4&tabindex=3


The brooch has often been on display in the window of the firms Bond St premises scince the sale.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 08, 2007, 06:36:36 PM
Holy Moley!Tap those keys Possums!Go to E-bay,type in Duchess of Windsor/Jewelry.Jeepers!Some one out of Vancouver is offering fabulous pieces supposedly once owned by Wallis,that have been languishing in some ladies private collection!!!!!-DR :o :o :o :o :o

Caveat emptor.  Caveat emptor.  Caveat emptor.

The pearl necklace from Queen Mary - decidedly NOT Tahitian.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/Wallispearls-1.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/fools2.jpg)


Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 08, 2007, 07:00:53 PM
I love those pearls ! Wonder who got them ???  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 08, 2007, 09:56:58 PM
Holy Moley!Tap those keys Possums!Go to E-bay,type in Duchess of Windsor/Jewelry.Jeepers!Some one out of Vancouver is offering fabulous pieces supposedly once owned by Wallis,that have been languishing in some ladies private collection!!!!!-DR :o :o :o :o :o

Caveat emptor.  Caveat emptor.  Caveat emptor.

The pearl necklace from Queen Mary - decidedly NOT Tahitian.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/Wallispearls-1.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/fools2.jpg)



Emmie,Bravo,I felt something might be "fishy".How wonderful of you to take the time to post this for us all to see.Have you checked out these items?-DR
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 08, 2007, 09:59:44 PM
I love those pearls ! Wonder who got them ???  ???
     Ilove the mabe pearl earrings,the necklace is breathtaking.But then again we are talking about May,whose collectors eye had NO equalIMO.-D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 08, 2007, 10:24:27 PM
This reminds me of a brooch that was supposedly GDss Marie's (daughter of AII) and up for auction on ebay. The FA quickly set me straight about it.  :P

It was discussed on this thread:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,8701.0.html
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 08, 2007, 10:40:10 PM
Really ? I have no idea.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 09, 2007, 09:03:00 AM
Have you checked out these items?-DR

There was a short discussion about these items on another message board.  It appears that the listing has now been removed by the way.

Here are the other items

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/a1220sapphire20diamond20necklace.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/a1420sapphire20diamond20ring.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/a2220Queen20Mary20necklace.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 09, 2007, 09:06:21 AM
Ilove the mabe pearl earrings,the necklace is breathtaking.But then again we are talking about May,whose collectors eye had NO equalIMO.-D


You can say that again!  100% agree with you there!! 

Those pearls are wondrous globules of fabulousness.  No two ways about that.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 09, 2007, 09:11:10 AM
Hmm, i'm no expert EE but think they are cheapies.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 09, 2007, 09:12:57 AM
I love those pearls ! Wonder who got them ???  ???

Now Kelly Klein has them, ex-wife of Calvin Klein. She also has Wallis's eternity ring.

See on the RJOTWMB.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 09, 2007, 10:57:02 AM
Have you checked out these items?-DR

There was a short discussion about these items on another message board.  It appears that the listing has now been removed by the way.

Here are the other items

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/a1220sapphire20diamond20necklace.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/a1420sapphire20diamond20ring.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/a2220Queen20Mary20necklace.jpg)
           Yes,Emmie these are the "critters".Strangely enough when I went to check them last night "poof"they had vanished like the mist.Another e-bay phenomenon.I recieves an interesting e-mail from the seller of these baubles,if you are interested in our exchange p.m me for the juicy morsels :P-DR
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 09, 2007, 11:05:57 AM
I love those pearls ! Wonder who got them ???  ???

Now Kelly Klein has them, ex-wife of Calvin Klein. She also has Wallis's eternity ring.

See on the RJOTWMB.
Basil,Not only these pieces of jewelry were bought by the Klein's,but much more.When the contents of the Villa went to auction  they purchased significant belongings of WE for their home in Conneticut.It makes me sad,their belongings sold away to the highest bidder.I am sure they would have rather seen evrything stay in England or France.-DR
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 10, 2007, 05:11:26 PM
Hmm, i'm no expert EE but think they are cheapies.

Which ones do you think are cheapies?   ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: damaskrose on March 11, 2007, 08:37:06 AM
Quite honestly they DO look like her style.Does anyone have the Book,The Jewels of the Duchess of Windsor?These pieces may have been created for her :-\-DRPerhaps they are cataloged in there.-DR
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Dmitry2 on March 11, 2007, 11:58:43 AM
If anyone had read the Ebay listing thoroughly, the ads did state something to effect that they were in the style of the late Duchess, not that they were the Duchess's property at any point, or even made for her. 

The jewels were quite lovely oni their own merits, but were definately not from the late Duchess' collection, merely inspired by those wonderful jewels.

Hope that clears matters up.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 11, 2007, 12:15:56 PM
I'm pretty sure I remember reading with the pearl necklace it was claiming it was the one given to David by his mother as a parting gift. I think there was a bit of intentional misleading going on.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 11, 2007, 02:27:29 PM
That's interesting. I think that blue necklace is tacky looking. The ring looks quite nice though.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2007, 08:13:06 PM
i agree...they look like "in the manner of".  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 11, 2007, 11:16:28 PM
I love those pearls ! Wonder who got them ???  ???

Now Kelly Klein has them, ex-wife of Calvin Klein. She also has Wallis's eternity ring.

See on the RJOTWMB.

Here's the photo, courtesy of ayvee on that board:

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/sonyvljewelry/Windsor/kellyklein.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2007, 03:23:00 AM
Part of her divorce settlement I think.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 12, 2007, 02:03:54 PM
That's interesting. I think that blue necklace is tacky looking. The ring looks quite nice though.

I agree it is tacky looking. But I put that down to being Wallis's style (not tacky looking) but that necklace is definitely her style. I don't like that necklace at all actually. But I love rings with big sapphires.  :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 12, 2007, 03:54:53 PM
I do not think that the necklace was up to Wallis's standard...anyway in the sale of her jewels...there was a magnificent sapphire necklace from the 1940's...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 12, 2007, 07:57:49 PM
You mean this Ebay sale or the sale before ?  ??? The one in the ebay sale is pretty common, looks more like my mother's jewels than one of a Royal Duchess.  :(
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on March 13, 2007, 05:18:07 AM
Part of her divorce settlement I think.  ???

It was not that type of divorce.


TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 13, 2007, 08:18:31 PM
What type ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on March 14, 2007, 05:02:56 PM
Calvin and Kelly remained very good friends.  She kept everything and Calvin gave her even more.

They are still seen out together on many occasions.

Kelly is a Long Island horsey set type of girl.  Calvin is a Manhatten Cafe Society type boy.

TampaBay

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 14, 2007, 07:53:09 PM
Well...it is no seret that he was gay or bi. It is more like Nathalie Paley & Lucien Lelong type of marriage.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 15, 2007, 08:06:37 AM
I remember on this board once we were talking about what happened to Queen Victoria's emerald tiara, and debating which of Queen Victoria's descendents has it now/or who inherited it over the many years. But this appears to be Queen Mary wearing it:

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/MARINA/2-QnMary.png?t=1173963738)

and here is Princess Alexandra wearing the base:

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/MARINA/3-PrcssAlexandra-base2-1955SVPortug.png?t=1173963774)

I have seen the current Duchess of Kent with that base too. So is this what happened to it? (The Kents have it)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/MARINA/1-QnVictoria.jpg?t=1173963887)

What about the stunning matching earrings?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 15, 2007, 08:57:44 AM
Two different tiaras.

The one that QM is wearing in the first pic was given to the Kents after the emerald spikes were removed.

Speculation on another board has QV's stunning piece in the hands of the Fifes.  Apparently there is a good picture of a Duchess of Fife wearing the tiara to a State Opening of Parliament in the '60's (in an issue of National Geographic, of all places); there were a couple of other grainy pics that accompanied the discussion but unfortunately no one was able to produce the one from National Geo.  If I have a chance I will post pics later.
As to QV's earrings, I would love to know where those little (big) beauties are hiding!

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 15, 2007, 09:42:26 AM
Wow, okay, thank you for the information.

So where did the one Queen Mary is wearing come from? Why were the emerald spikes removed?  ???

So the Duchess of Fife supposedly wearing this tiara in National Geographic would be the Hon. Caroline Cecily, Duchess of Fife, who divorced the current Duke in 1966?

I love Queen Victoria's earrings! they are so gorgeous....

Please post the pictures you speak of EmeraldEyes...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 15, 2007, 11:03:31 AM
This is one of the ones posted on Royal Jewels of the World MB

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/emeraldtiara1.jpg)

There was some discussion about whether or not it was the emerald tiara that had belonged to Queen Victoria or not.

The one that belongs to the Kents--shown in the b/w photo of Queen Mary--is sometimes worn with pearls on the spikes as well. I forget what the name of the tiara is. I don't know why the emeralds were removed--perhaps they were part of the Cambridge emerald set and kept in the main royal family?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 15, 2007, 11:14:38 AM
So that is Caroline, Duchess of Fife? Yes, it looks very similiar. The green stones look exactly the same shape and it goes nearly all the way around the head, compared with the Kent one which just goes to the sides of head.

Hmm, the Fifes sure got a lot of Tiaras and other important jewels. Pity we don't see them more often to see them in their jewels. It would make sense since in Munn's book it is credited as private collection, as is the Fife tiara.

Are there any more pictures?

Also is this discussion still on the RJOTWMB or was it on a while ago?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 15, 2007, 11:22:45 AM
The discussion wasn't too long ago but the board is a busy one so I don't know if it is still there or not--I don't think that it is.

Here's a page that shows the Queen Mary/Duchess of Kent tiara:

http://www.geen-8.tmfweb.nl/United%20Kingdom/Kent/Duchess%20of%20Kent/Kent.htm

Queen Mary had the emeralds removed before she left the tiara to princess Marina in 1953. The present Duchess wore this tiara on her weddingday.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 15, 2007, 11:36:41 AM
Do you think she probably left the emeralds to Elizabeth II?

I can't believe Katherine sold Marina's big bow brooch. Terrible! And she also sold the Sapphire Parure Tiara and made a new ugly one from the necklace. Also Terrible! She should have given them to the Queen to add to the main Royal Family collection.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Lucien on March 15, 2007, 02:20:57 PM
The Duchess of Gloucester,HQ picture:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1173955980.html

Courtesy Gert-Jan,GREMB.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 15, 2007, 06:40:37 PM
Thanks for posting the pic GDella...shoulda known you would be on the ball!

Here's the second pic from the discussion. Very small.  Hard to tell exactly what is on her head.  And I can't remember now who that was suposed to be.   ??? :-\

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/emeraldtiara2.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 15, 2007, 06:57:23 PM
Do you think she probably left the emeralds to Elizabeth II?

Who knows.  They could be anywhere, including the darkest corner of the vault.

And she also sold the Sapphire Parure Tiara and made a new ugly one from the necklace.

Such a shame that the grand tiara was sold.  I truly detest that ugly little new one.  Hideous.  Something tells me that Katharine would also like the Swedish Jeep tiaras.  Maybe they'll have a swap meet.  Shudder.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/Picture1kent.jpg)(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/sapphire20tiara20new.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/02450149gp.jpg)(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/victoria4buttontiara-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 15, 2007, 08:58:33 PM
Yes I do wonder who got the grand sapphire tiara now.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 16, 2007, 02:18:43 AM
Thanks for posting the pic GDella...shoulda known you would be on the ball!

Here's the second pic from the discussion. Very small.  Hard to tell exactly what is on her head.  And I can't remember now who that was suposed to be.   ??? :-\

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/emeraldtiara2.jpg)

Thanks. It is supposed to be the Duchess of Fife in the 1960s - who was the Hon. Caroline Cecily Dewar, daughter of 3rd Baron and Baroness Forteviot. She and the Duke divorced in 1966.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 16, 2007, 02:24:52 AM
Yes I do wonder who got the grand sapphire tiara now.  ???

Katharine sold it at auction! With other Kent treasures including Marina's magnificent bow brooch!  >:(

And emeraldeyes, I am glad to see I am not the only one here who hates the ''new'' tiara made from the Kent sapphire parure necklace- yes it is very hideous as is Victoria of Sweden's button tiaras. It would look a whole lot better if she took the diamond buttons off the tiara and wore them on her dress as ornaments/brooches, and wore one of her decent tiaras instead all the time.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 16, 2007, 06:12:04 AM
Well...I think I should said "I wonder who bought them ?"  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 16, 2007, 07:39:25 AM
Oh, okay. I wonder that too.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on March 16, 2007, 07:34:28 PM
Well...I think I should said "I wonder who bought them ?"  ;D

Well it was not the Duchess of Dermount because she only buys sapphires!!!  ;D ;D LOL!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 17, 2007, 04:27:57 AM
But we are talking about the Sapphire Parure Tiara!  ;D ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on March 17, 2007, 05:52:06 AM
I have always thought that the Swedish Button tiaras would look better if the buttons were surrounded by a frame of diamonds; rather then just resting on a single line.

As for the "new" Cambridge Sapphire tiara, this should be remade into the necklace. And since HRH no longer has much occassion to wear a tiara; when she does decide to, she always has the choice of her diamond one.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on March 17, 2007, 06:11:20 AM
But we are talking about the Sapphire Parure Tiara!  ;D ???

I'm sorry I had a brain seizure! Oh my gosh...I can't  find my smileys!!!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 18, 2007, 08:17:56 PM
I hope it did not end up in a Saudi vault !  :(
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 19, 2007, 07:34:02 AM
Probably not. Hopefully the Queen was the secret buyer and it is back in the Royal Family's vault.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 19, 2007, 08:43:16 AM
Here is a bit of a bigger picture showing the former Duchess of Fife wearing perhaps Queen Victoria's emerald tiara.  :)  :-\

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/The%20WHITE%20album/th_1696_05_46.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/The%20WHITE%20album/1696_05_46.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 19, 2007, 08:03:17 PM
Indeed ! However I did not reconized Princess Alice's tiara ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 19, 2007, 10:52:08 PM
Athlone? She looks like she's wearing the tiara that has the triangle shapes on it--I don't know if it has a name.

The Duchess of Gloucester (also Alice) looks to be wearing the Iveagh tiara.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 20, 2007, 03:20:04 AM
Perhaps...It looked like a bandeau of some sort. I wonder if that tiara was catalogued.  ??? (Talking about Alice Athlone's tiara).
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 20, 2007, 08:58:58 AM
Perhaps...It looked like a bandeau of some sort. I wonder if that tiara was catalogued.  ??? (Talking about Alice Athlone's tiara).
It is not a bandeau and it had a interchangable centre piece..indeed it is very similar to the Gloucester tiara with the diamond/emerald/kunzite (and formerly sapphire) interchangable centres...Alice wore it (with the all diamond centre peice)in a portrait which was reproduced on the cover of at least one edition of her memoirs "For my grandchildren"...in this photograph it looks to be a sapphire centre..
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 20, 2007, 09:31:39 AM
I think it could be this one:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/gb20alice202a.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 20, 2007, 12:24:43 PM
I have had a reply from Her Majesty's Court Service requesting my £5 and I am mailing my money order off today.  The service standard appears to be 21 days, so I'm thinking I might have a copy of the will in my hot little hands by early March, taking into consideration the time necessary for ocean crossings.  Here's hoping we get some juicy details! 


So, the copy of Mrs. Greville's last will and testament has arrived.  Unfortunately, there is nothing in the way of juicy details.  However, it is an interesting document in its own right.

As regards the various bequests, here are some details:

to HRH Princess Margaret Rose, a legacy of £20,000.

to HM Queen Victoria Eugenia of Spain, a legacy of £25,000 - "With deep affection and in memory of great kindness and affection which Her Majesty has shown me."

to 'my goddaughter Rosalind Cubitt, a legacy of £500' - Now this one was a surprise.  This would be the Duchess of Cornwall's mother wouldn't it?  Interesting that Camilla has been wearing some pieces from the Greville bequest, seeing that her mother was Mrs. Greville's goddaughter; it gives it more context. 


There are only two people who get any jewels -

"I make the following bequests to my valued friend Marie Adeline Liron.
(a) My two rows of cultured pearls all my wearing apparel including my laces and furs and all my trinkets and other articles of personal use and any pieces of jewellery which do not exceed One hundred pounds each in value to be the value as finally agreed with the Estate Duty Office for Probate."

In a separate schedule of bequests:

"Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth...with my loving thoughts all my jewels and jewellery except such as is hereby or by any codicil hereto specifically bequeathed."  - nice and vague, you gotta love it!


I haven't yet had the time to scan the pages into my home computer, but once I do, I would be happy to email anyone who wants a copy.  There are about 14 pages in all.  Just PM  me if you are interested or if you have any questions that you feel would be too o/t for this thread.  :)


Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 20, 2007, 12:27:37 PM
I think it could be this one:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/jewels/gb20alice202a.jpg)
Thankyou Grand Duchess that is indeed the one.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 20, 2007, 12:41:10 PM
I have had a reply from Her Majesty's Court Service requesting my £5 and I am mailing my money order off today.  The service standard appears to be 21 days, so I'm thinking I might have a copy of the will in my hot little hands by early March, taking into consideration the time necessary for ocean crossings.  Here's hoping we get some juicy details! 


So, the copy of Mrs. Greville's last will and testament has arrived.  Unfortunately, there is nothing in the way of juicy details.  However, it is an interesting document in its own right.

As regards the various bequests, here are some details:

to HRH Princess Margaret Rose, a legacy of £20,000.

to HM Queen Victoria Eugenia of Spain, a legacy of £25,000 - "With deep affection and in memory of great kindness and affection which Her Majesty has shown me."

to 'my goddaughter Rosalind Cubitt, a legacy of £500' - Now this one was a surprise.  This would be the Duchess of Cornwall's mother wouldn't it?  Interesting that Camilla has been wearing some pieces from the Greville bequest, seeing that her mother was Mrs. Greville's goddaughter; it gives it more context. 


There are only two people who get any jewels -

"I make the following bequests to my valued friend Marie Adeline Liron.
(a) My two rows of cultured pearls all my wearing apparel including my laces and furs and all my trinkets and other articles of personal use and any pieces of jewellery which do not exceed One hundred pounds each in value to be the value as finally agreed with the Estate Duty Office for Probate."

In a separate schedule of bequests:

"Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth...with my loving thoughts all my jewels and jewellery except such as is hereby or by any codicil hereto specifically bequeathed."  - nice and vague, you gotta love it!


I haven't yet had the time to scan the pages into my home computer, but once I do, I would be happy to email anyone who wants a copy.  There are about 14 pages in all.  Just PM  me if you are interested or if you have any questions that you feel would be too o/t for this thread.  :)



At one time..Maggie Greville wanted to adopt Camilla's (maternal) grandmother Sonia  Cubbit nee Keppell
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 20, 2007, 07:27:22 PM
Thanks for the research work and update, EE. It is interesting about the Camilla/Greville connection.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 20, 2007, 08:21:52 PM
Yes...Ena used the Genville money to buy her last house in Lausanne, Swizerland. However she was pissed that she did not recieve any jewels.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on March 20, 2007, 08:28:42 PM
Yes...Ena used the Genville money to buy her last house in Lausanne, Swizerland. However she was pissed that she did not recieve any jewels.  ;)

So was the Duchess of Dermount!!!  ;D ;D ;D

TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 20, 2007, 09:49:39 PM
Cookie must have really work her magic on Ronnie.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 21, 2007, 03:01:08 AM
Cookie must have really work her magic on Ronnie.  ;D ;D ;D
The Honourable Renard "Ronnie " Greville died young almost 40 years before his widow...as the Queen Elizabeth was only a child then it was doubtful they ever even met...However as his mother Violet was a daughter of a Duke of Montrose..no doubt the families knew each other...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 21, 2007, 03:03:18 AM
Yes...Ena used the Genville money to buy her last house in Lausanne, Swizerland. However she was pissed that she did not recieve any jewels.  ;)
the name is GREVILLE.....
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2007, 03:35:38 AM
Yes dear...It is easy to spell it wrong when typing too fast. Anyhow. I don't there was a catalogue of the jewels left to Cookie. Vickers wrote that the 5 strand diamond necklace was definitely a Greville heirloom, and speculation that Camilla's diamond ring  also came from that collection.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 21, 2007, 09:27:43 AM
Yes dear...It is easy to spell it wrong when typing too fast. Anyhow. I don't there was a catalogue of the jewels left to Cookie. Vickers wrote that the 5 strand diamond necklace was definitely a Greville heirloom, and speculation that Camilla's diamond ring  also came from that collection.  ???
At the time of Charles & Camillas engagement...the story of the ring...How it had been  BOUGHT in the mid 1920's by the future GEORGE VI for his wife was told.....and Eric....I AM NOT YOUR "DEAR" and I can assure you I NEVER WILL BE.....
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 21, 2007, 11:08:53 AM
 ;D

Thank you for the information as usual ashdean, very interesting! :) Do we know where the Queen Mothers 5 row diamond necklace is now? It would be wonderful to see the Queen wearing it if she has it.

Why was Ena annoyed at not being left any jewels? I know she loved jewels but surely in her predicament she appreciated the money, a very kind bequest.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 21, 2007, 12:16:23 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the 5 row necklace is being kept for the Duchess of Cornwall's use.  She is obviously not averse to big necklaces, as we have recently seen, and this would be a very adaptable item for her to add to her collection - as it's really three necklaces.  The two row and three row versions can stand on their own very well and I'd be interested to see how she would choose to utilize the pieces. 

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 21, 2007, 01:12:15 PM
;D

Thank you for the information as usual ashdean, very interesting! :) Do we know where the Queen Mothers 5 row diamond necklace is now? It would be wonderful to see the Queen wearing it if she has it.

Why was Ena annoyed at not being left any jewels? I know she loved jewels but surely in her predicament she appreciated the money, a very kind bequest.
Ena was glad of the cash! but saying that she would rather have had gems was a face saver....
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2007, 07:59:58 PM
Yes. I wonder if Camilla would wear the five row diamond necklace (which can be reduced to 2 rows).  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2007, 08:00:27 PM
Sorry I mean 3 rows.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on March 21, 2007, 08:02:20 PM
Yes dear...It is easy to spell it wrong when typing too fast. Anyhow. I don't there was a catalogue of the jewels left to Cookie. Vickers wrote that the 5 strand diamond necklace was definitely a Greville heirloom, and speculation that Camilla's diamond ring  also came from that collection.  ???
At the time of Charles & Camillas engagement...the story of the ring...How it had been  BOUGHT in the mid 1920's by the future GEORGE VI for his wife was told.....and Eric....I AM NOT YOUR "DEAR" and I can assure you I NEVER WILL BE.....

Please forgive "old Eric" as he is great comic relief!!!  ;D ;D ;D

TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2007, 08:04:52 PM
When did I become a comic relief ?  ??? Anyway if someone find it amusing I am all ears.  :P
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: joye on March 21, 2007, 09:45:05 PM
Regarding post 921, who is the lady sitting next to Princess Alice  Countess of Athlone?

joye
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2007, 10:51:51 PM
On one side it was Marina, Duchess of kent and the other side I don't know. Although she looks very familier.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 22, 2007, 01:51:41 PM
Regarding post 921, who is the lady sitting next to Princess Alice  Countess of Athlone?

joye
It could be the Marchioness of Cambridge..wife of Queen Mary's nephew...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 22, 2007, 08:04:48 PM
Could be...lets check.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 22, 2007, 10:44:14 PM
Her name was Dorothy Hastings (18 May 1899-1 April 1988). She married George Cambridge, 2nd Marquess of Cambridge in 1923. Through the whole of her life post-marriage she was considered a member of the British royal family & regularly attended major royal functions so it's entirely possible it could be her. I've only ever seen photos of her at a younger age than this photo is dated, however.

From the NPG

(http://images.npg.org.uk/OCimg/weblg/8/7/mw66487.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 22, 2007, 11:22:55 PM
You may be right.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 23, 2007, 01:05:03 PM
Her name was Dorothy Hastings (18 May 1899-1 April 1988). She married George Cambridge, 2nd Marquess of Cambridge in 1923. Through the whole of her life post-marriage she was considered a member of the British royal family & regularly attended major royal functions so it's entirely possible it could be her. I've only ever seen photos of her at a younger age than this photo is dated, however.

From the NPG

(http://images.npg.org.uk/OCimg/weblg/8/7/mw66487.jpg)
There is a photograph of her in Diana Scarisbricks "Ancestral Jewels" wearing a similar tiara and pearl necklace..as a older woman which is like the lady next to Alice Athlone..
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 23, 2007, 08:29:28 PM
Must go back to that one.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 24, 2007, 10:31:56 AM
Is this the pic?


(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/1.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 24, 2007, 12:04:35 PM
Is this the pic?


(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/1.jpg)
Thats the one...Thankyou EE
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 24, 2007, 12:20:17 PM
My pleasure. 

Sorry for the appalling scan-quality, but I don't think the quality of the photo itself was that terrific to begin with.   :-\ 

I really like this tiara - and it looks to be very versatile. 




Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 24, 2007, 12:37:17 PM
I like that tiara as well. Does it have a name?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: boffer on March 24, 2007, 02:35:53 PM
Are those not Queen Charlottes pearls?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 25, 2007, 06:15:13 AM
I like that tiara as well. Does it have a name?
The stars on the tiara would all be detachable to wear as brooches/pendants..sometimes this style of tiara had just a plain wire circlet/base(to be hidden by the wearers hair..sometimes they were much grander...The late Queen Ingrid of Denmark owned a very similar peice with upright pearls..I think it passed to her daughter Princess Benedikte..
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 25, 2007, 08:19:33 PM
Yes. I wonder what happen to that tiara now.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 27, 2007, 09:53:33 PM
Here's some of the jewelry that the Duchess of Gloucester received for her wedding. It's from film footage of the royal wedding gifts on display in 1935:

(http://www.britishpathe.com/scripts/ImgRetrieve.dll?GetPic&recno=11923&picno=00000010&sif=0)
emerald set

(http://www.britishpathe.com/scripts/ImgRetrieve.dll?GetPic&recno=11923&picno=00000015&sif=0)
pearls

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 27, 2007, 11:58:14 PM
Those were the good old days when the presents were displayed for the public (the last time was Diana's wedding I think). We didn't get to see the jewels given to Fergie & Sophie when they married. Just what they wore.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 28, 2007, 10:25:38 AM
They probably didn't get very much compared to Alice Gloucester.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 28, 2007, 08:33:37 PM
Well...whatever they say about Queen Mary. She did provide much jewelry to her daughters-in-law. The present Queen was more stingy in that aspect.  :(
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 28, 2007, 08:43:31 PM
I do love that emerald set...but the pearl set is new to me and I love that too!  sigh...

That immense mabé pearl brooch deserves to see the light of day, but I can't recall ever having seen it.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 28, 2007, 10:49:36 PM
It may have been sold or resetted.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 29, 2007, 07:39:00 AM
Well...whatever they say about Queen Mary. She did provide much jewelry to her daughters-in-law. The present Queen was more stingy in that aspect.  :(

I think the Queen was generous with Diana, after all she got one of the prettiest tiaras to wear - the lovers knot. Even Sarah got a tiara, but I don't know the origins of that one. I don't think she deserved much. Sophie has those nice aquamarine  :-\ pieces now, not sure where they came from.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 29, 2007, 08:28:10 AM
Well...whatever they say about Queen Mary. She did provide much jewelry to her daughters-in-law. The present Queen was more stingy in that aspect.  :(

I think the Queen was generous with Diana, after all she got one of the prettiest tiaras to wear - the lovers knot. Even Sarah got a tiara, but I don't know the origins of that one. I don't think she deserved much. Sophie has those nice aquamarine  :-\ pieces now, not sure where they came from.
The  Queen BOUGHT..the antique tiara for Sarah and a modern suite of  diamonds...It might be  pointer that they were bought and not among lesser heirlooms fom the Queens personal collection..that ER had an idea the marriage might not be an immense success...I do not think that Sarah "did not deserve much " though..she was entitled as any other bride to wedding present as equal as her fellow sisters in law received...all children & their spouses should be equally treated...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 29, 2007, 08:37:24 AM
Well the Prince of Wales's wife should generally receive more jewels since she is of a higher position than the wives of the younger sons. Of course it was up to the Queen to decide what she felt appropriate to give to each individual lady, whether it was equal or not was her prerogative.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 29, 2007, 09:32:55 AM
Maybe she didn't want to see certain pieces leave the family which is what would eventually happen regardless as to the status of the marriage. The Kents and Gloucesters have already sold heirlooms and as their families expand and move further away from the throne this will happen more and more. This will eventually happen with the families of the Duke of York and the Earl of Wessex, especially the latter as he doesn't even want his daughter to go by the title of princess but rather have a more private life. EII might want to keep key pieces within the direct ruling line even if this means that several pieces aren't seen for very long periods of time.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 29, 2007, 07:59:09 PM
True, but they have so much ! Just looked at what Princess Margaret had ! I shudder to think what Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie had when they marry. They are the ONLY unwedded princesses in Great Britian. Technically Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor also falls into that catagory, but as her father was not a royal duke.  :o
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 30, 2007, 04:53:39 AM
Well the 3 unwedded Princesses - Beatrice, Eugenie and Louise - will at least get something special when they marry I expect.
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The Kents and Gloucesters have already sold heirlooms and as their families expand and move further away from the throne this will happen more and more.
Hopefully the Kents and Gloucesters (mainly just the present Duchess of Kent from what I know of it) will STOP selling Important family heirlooms and perhaps if they cannot afford to keep them, sell them back to the Monarch at a reduced price perhaps. I think Princess Michael and family has kept all her important pieces from Princess Marina. :)

Princess Margaret had some very nice pieces - in tiaras alone she had the Poltimore, the Papyrus, that Turquoise one and others besides - I think that is enough for one person, who married a commoner.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 30, 2007, 08:48:55 AM
I think Princess Michael and family has kept all her important pieces from Princess Marina. :)

I don't think there is anything that could ever come between PM of K and her jewels; I'm sure she would rather forego the botox than lose a single stone. 


Princess Margaret had some very nice pieces - in tiaras alone she had the Poltimore, the Papyrus, that Turquoise one and others besides - I think that is enough for one person, who married a commoner.

She may have married  a commoner, but there was no way anyone would ever forget that Margot was the daughter of a king.  The jewels were a way of making sure everyone knew what kind of status she had and what kind of respect she thought she deserved.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 30, 2007, 09:02:31 AM
Well the 3 unwedded Princesses - Beatrice, Eugenie and Louise - will at least get something special when they marry I expect.

I would expect these three to borrow a tiara from their grandmother or wear their own mother's wedding gift tiaras when they marry.  And as far as gifts from the Queen is concerned, I wouldn't expect grand parures à la Queen Mary's gifts to her daughters-in-law; it would just be completely contradictory to the  jewel philosophy heretofore demonstrated by HM.  Personally I think it would be a nice gesture to give each of them a modern copy of Albert's brooch.  These Princesses are going to be on the periphery of the modern royal family, and probably won't have too much use for a lot of bling.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on March 30, 2007, 10:29:07 AM
On the periphery or not there will be at least one grand parure for each girl...I am sure of that
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 30, 2007, 02:41:39 PM
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I don't think there is anything that could ever come between PM of K and her jewels; I'm sure she would rather forego the botox than lose a single stone. 

That's kind of the sentiment I was thinking - that she would rather sell her home than her wonderful jewels. Which is an EXCELLENT attitude. One I would have if I had what she has in my jewelry collection. Do you really know if she uses botox? I don't think so, she has a big smile and her face looks natural. I like PM of Kent a lot, I think we would get along great - particularly love her penchant for posing whilst stroking a cat - I do this too.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 30, 2007, 04:03:08 PM

I don't think there is anything that could ever come between PM of K and her jewels; I'm sure she would rather forego the botox than lose a single stone. 

Too funny (and true), EE! As for her not using botox--her face looks anything but natural lately, at least in photos I've seen on other message boards (where they occassionally discuss it).  :P

I love the idea of them receiving a copy of the Prince Albert brooch when they marry--what a lovely tradition that would be. The Swedish royals have a tradition with a pin--an anchor, I think?

I don't think the 'lesser' royals should sell their items to the monarch at a reduced price--the point is they're not rich and the monarch is. If the monarch (whoever it is at that point) wants the items they should offer to buy them at full, or above, market price. I'd love to see many items return to the Crown eventually, hopefully to be worn again.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 30, 2007, 04:27:02 PM
Yes I'd love to see many important items that have been sold return to the Crown again to be worn by Royal Ladies again. Since jewels are always being bought and sold and re-sold it could definitely happen. Imagine what a surprise it would be if a Royal Lady was seen suddenly in QM's amethyst parure for instance. I would like that.

I haven't seen any photos where the Princess's face is looking ''anything but natural". I think she is a beautiful and elegant woman who has aged very well. I don't think it is proper to accuse her of using Botox unless there is some evidence of it - like she was seen coming out of a botox clinic or something - and as far as I know there is no such evidence.

As for the Princesses getting a Prince Albert Sapphire (?) type brooch when they marry, I think that is a good idea, but it would not be good enough to be ALL they get - especially as brooches are not exactly the number one jewelry accessory young women like to wear. I hardly ever use my brooches - and I have amassed quite a collection. One decent parure for each Princess is good enough.

I suggested they be sold by relatives at a reduced price to the monarch so that the monarch feels more inclined to buy them -  but yes you have a point - it would be more fair for the monarch to buy them at a price that they are fully worth.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 30, 2007, 05:37:27 PM
Yes I'd love to see many important items that have been sold return to the Crown again to be worn by Royal Ladies again. Since jewels are always being bought and sold and re-sold it could definitely happen. Imagine what a surprise it would be if a Royal Lady was seen suddenly in QM's amethyst parure for instance. I would like that.

While it would be wonderful to see, it is unlikely that QM's amethysts would be seen in the royal collection again.  Since being sold the first time, when I would assume it was sold all together, a piece that looks very much the necklace has shown up for sale again by itself.  It has been altered somewhat, but it certainly looks like the same piece to me.

I haven't seen any photos where the Princess's face is looking ''anything but natural". I think she is a beautiful and elegant woman who has aged very well. I don't think it is proper to accuse her of using Botox unless there is some evidence of it - like she was seen coming out of a botox clinic or something - and as far as I know there is no such evidence.

Well, I don't have any 'smoking syringe' pictures, but she is either getting some assistance in the war against aging or there is a portrait in her attic that looks very old.  I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it or making a moral judgment.  I have a feeling that PM of K would amuse me a good deal if we ever met. 

As for the Princesses getting a Prince Albert Sapphire (?) type brooch when they marry, I think that is a good idea, but it would not be good enough to be ALL they get - especially as brooches are not exactly the number one jewelry accessory young women like to wear. I hardly ever use my brooches - and I have amassed quite a collection. One decent parure for each Princess is good enough.

While I agree that brooches are not the most au courant item of jewellery at the moment, I do believe that a person with a sure sense of their own style can make a brooch into a very smart accessory by wearing it in unexpected ways.  If a woman does not have the panache to do this, then a grand parure will make her look awkward and over-burdened.
 IMO Princess Eugenie is likely to wear jewels better than Princess Beatrice, who to me frequently looks like she is trying very hard.  Whether Lady Louise's father will even allow her to come within 500 metres of a tiara is unknown at this point.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on March 30, 2007, 06:52:09 PM

I haven't seen any photos where the Princess's face is looking ''anything but natural". I think she is a beautiful and elegant woman who has aged very well. I don't think it is proper to accuse her of using Botox unless there is some evidence of it - like she was seen coming out of a botox clinic or something - and as far as I know there is no such evidence.


I don't believe in improperly accusing either. Her spokesman, Simon Astair, admitted she uses Botox--this was back in 2005. "The Princess does use Botox. There's no secret to it." She was spotted coming out of a well-known clinic, after denying using anything and claiming moisturizer and good genes were to credit, and this apparently led to the statement to the press.

Seen here wearing Princess Marina's tiara:

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/01/27/nbotox27.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on March 31, 2007, 04:16:26 AM
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While I agree that brooches are not the most au courant item of jewellery at the moment, I do believe that a person with a sure sense of their own style can make a brooch into a very smart accessory by wearing it in unexpected ways.  If a woman does not have the panache to do this, then a grand parure will make her look awkward and over-burdened.
 IMO Princess Eugenie is likely to wear jewels better than Princess Beatrice, who to me frequently looks like she is trying very hard.  Whether Lady Louise's father will even allow her to come within 500 metres of a tiara is unknown at this point.


Yes I agree brooches can still look great, even though they are not that in fashion. Maybe the Three Princesses would be better suited to receiving a kind of modest parure - not a totally grand one. I think Beatrice and Eugenie could handle that very well- Princess Louise- well we can't see yet what her style or personality is like. When she is a grown up young lady - I'm sure she'll be allowed to take her place as a Princess in every way- including wearing tiaras if she wants.

And thank you GDE for providing information about HRH Princess Michael's botox use. Nothing scandalous really, it's so common nowadays and is much better than Plastic Surgery.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 01, 2007, 09:30:19 PM
Well...As the granddaughter of the queen. I would expect a grand parure for each of them. Also as the ONLY princesses of the blood of that generation. I would expect they will have to carry on duties once Kate Kent, Brigitta Gloucester and Princess Alexandra retires. These two girls (The York girls) are ripe to take on the mode of being Princeses on the active list. They will have duties alongside Prines William and Harry's wives into the next generation. I cannot see them with the bling!  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on April 02, 2007, 07:45:09 AM
It depends who Wills and Harry marries. If they marry respectable Ladies, particularly aristocrats, they will get some proper ''bling''. I cannot believe I used that word!  :-[ When on earth will we see Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie in a tiara to begin with?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: CHRISinUSA on April 02, 2007, 10:17:39 AM
Well, if not earlier - such as in attendance at a state dinner - at Charles' coronation I would imagine.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 02, 2007, 08:39:12 PM
In the old days. The princesses would be "out" after being confirmed. Although under the old rule, a princess does not recieve a tiara before she got married. I think Princess Anne broke that law, did she ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on April 03, 2007, 11:26:04 AM
In the old days. The princesses would be "out" after being confirmed. Although under the old rule, a princess does not recieve a tiara before she got married. I think Princess Anne broke that law, did she ?  ???
Princess Margaret,princess Alexandra and indeed Princess Mary/Princess Royal wore tiaras before their marriages...Princess Margarets first tiara being worn at the "Coronation" of Queen Juliana when she was 18..there are countless pictures to prove this.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 03, 2007, 12:40:25 PM
 Speaking of Windsor jewels...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/3/newsid_2467000/2467091.stm
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 03, 2007, 08:25:09 PM
Thanks for the link...a trip along memory line... ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Lucien on April 25, 2007, 02:52:20 PM
Sorry if this link has been posted already:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/category.asp?category=BEGEMS+AND+JEWELS&row=0

Courtesy The Royal Collection/Rory Matthews.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 26, 2007, 12:25:00 AM
Thanks !  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: HerrKaiser on May 01, 2007, 06:48:53 PM
when George IV made the State Diadem, was he anticiapting other men following him to use it? Did he wear it frequently?

When did use of head ornaments such as this stop being used by men for non-coronation appearances? thanks!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 01, 2007, 06:52:27 PM
I may be wrong but I am guessing it was to be used for the State Opening of Parliament.

Correct me if I am wrong,

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 01, 2007, 06:54:23 PM
A picture:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page1930.asp

A description from Wikipedia:

Part of the British Crown Jewels, the George IV State Diadem or Diamond Diadem was made in 1820 by the firm Rundell, Bridge and Rundell for the coronation of King George IV. It was designed to encircle the King's velvet Cap of Estate that he wore in the procession to Westminster Abbey. The diadem includes 1333 diamonds weighing 325.75 carats (65.15 g), and 169 pearls along its base. Its design features roses, thistles and shamrocks, the symbols of England, Scotland and Ireland respectively.

The diadem was also worn during the coronation procession of Queen Victoria, and later Queen Elizabeth II. It is also worn by Queen Elizabeth II in the procession to the State Opening of Parliament. It has featured in many portraits of the Queen, including one by Raphael Maklouf that appears on Commonwealth coinage and on British stamps. It has also featured on the banknotes of England, Canada, Australia, Bermuda, Hong Kong, British Honduras, the British Caribbean Territories currency board (consisting of Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, Anguilla, Saba, St Kitts and Nevis, Antigua, St Lucia, Dominica, St Vincent and the Grenadines, British Guyana and the British Virgin Islands), Mauritius, Southern Rhodesia, Cyprus, Rhodesia and Nyasaland, Fiji, Belize, the Bahamas, Malta, Malaya and North Borneo, and Jamaica.


-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: HerrKaiser on May 01, 2007, 08:27:36 PM
thanks duke, I have seen this information, but still seems unclear as to:

when George IV made the State Diadem, was he anticiapting other men following him to use it? Did he wear it frequently?

When did use of head ornaments such as this stop being used by men for non-coronation appearances? thanks!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 01, 2007, 08:51:42 PM
I don't think it was made for a King or a Queen, but for the soverign of GB. That is why both Geirge VI and QE II wore it ( QE II still does...).  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 01, 2007, 11:09:46 PM
Well...As the granddaughter of the queen. I would expect a grand parure for each of them. Also as the ONLY princesses of the blood of that generation. I would expect they will have to carry on duties once Kate Kent, Brigitta Gloucester and Princess Alexandra retires. These two girls (The York girls) are ripe to take on the mode of being Princeses on the active list. They will have duties alongside Prines William and Harry's wives into the next generation. I cannot see them with the bling!  ;D

I'm not so sure they will have public duties.  Charles has long since wanted the York girls marginalized.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on May 02, 2007, 05:24:03 AM
[ Charles has long since wanted the York girls marginalized.

Do you know why?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 02, 2007, 08:26:36 AM
when George IV made the State Diadem, was he anticiapting other men following him to use it? Did he wear it frequently?

When did use of head ornaments such as this stop being used by men for non-coronation appearances? thanks!

I think, from reading something about it a while ago:

George IV had the state diadem made for himself as a man's crown. He wore it at his coronation with a large plumed hat. He thought that it was rather feminine looking, which of course it is. He did not wear it again. Men stopped wearing tiaras  :-\, a long time ago. George IV just wore it at the coronation I think.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 02, 2007, 09:00:56 AM
[ Charles has long since wanted the York girls marginalized.

Do you know why?

TampaBay

He wants a much scaled down Royal Family.  Basically the Sovereign, the Sovereign's spouse, and the Sovereign's children. 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 02, 2007, 09:03:41 AM
Really? I have not seen evidence that Charles wants this. The Royal Family would still need to include grandchildren of the Sovereign, and children-in-law of the sovereign. It would be ridiculously small if that is all the Royal Family consisted of.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 02, 2007, 09:46:42 AM
I don't think it was made for a King or a Queen, but for the soverign of GB. That is why both Geirge VI and QE II wore it ( QE II still does...).  ???
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I think its the conterpart for the Queen when the King wore his crown for openinng of parliament or so...

There is also a picture when Queen Mary wore the diadem during the Kaiser's daughter wedding at Berlin in 1913
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 02, 2007, 09:53:48 AM
It is now. But I think it was originally meant to be another Crown for the King, but it looked too feminine, so starting with Queen Adelaide, it has been worn by all the Queens Regnant and Consort since.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 02, 2007, 02:23:09 PM
Here's what Leslie Field says:

GIV designed a 'completely new crown for the ceremony, and a diamond diadem to encircle his velvet Cap of Maintenance. He wanted the crown to have a floral design but the Privy Council felt this would be improper, as the Coronation crown had always had fleur-de-lys motifs...Instead he used the floral emblems for his diadem and, folllowing tradition, the jewels set into it were hired for the occasion; but in a last-minute change of mind he never wore it. In 1838 the diadem was reset with pearls and diamonds from the royal collection and worn for the first time by QV at her Coronation. For the next 30 years she wore it constantly.....she is pictured wearing it on the world's first postage stamp...in 1840....The completely circular diadem has 4 crosses pattee set with diamonds, representing St George, the front one with a rare honey-coloured diamond in the centre; and 4 diamond bouquets incorporating roses, thistles and shamrocks, the emblems of the UK. The diamond scrollwork band, remounted for QA in 1902, is framed between 2 rows of pearls--81-- in the upper row and 88 in the lower."
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: HerrKaiser on May 02, 2007, 03:32:48 PM
thanks for all the inputs. it is interesting the GIV had in mind that he wanted something of regal/bejewelled look and import that could be used for his significant occasion and less large/overwhelming than the imperial coronation crown. The man must have had style. too bad his plans did not get executed; it would have been interesting to see GIV with it on his head.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 02, 2007, 08:32:08 PM
The crown is beauty though. I thought Queen Mary had her own crown ?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on May 03, 2007, 06:32:50 AM
Queen consorts Alexandria, Mary and Elizabeth, all had thier own coronation crowns made. Which were only worn for coronations (either with or without the arches, depending if it were their coronation or not). The State Diadem has been worn by all three of these queens on other state occaisions.

R.I.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: B5218 on May 03, 2007, 06:46:01 AM
Is there photographic evidence that Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother wore the State Diadem? The only photo I have seen was of her wearing something other than her tiaras was with her coronation crown without the arches.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 03, 2007, 06:53:27 AM
Queen Elizabeth (Mother) wore also the DEHLE DURBA TIARA (last worn by Camilla) during her visit to South Africa in 1947, never saw her wearing the State Diadem, I think her favourits were the Indian Circlet, and later the Greville Tiara
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 03, 2007, 07:33:58 AM
I was also thinking, I have not seen Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother wearing the State Diadem. Does anyone know for sure if she did?

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that all the Queens since Queen Adelaide (included) wore the State Diadem.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 03, 2007, 08:20:43 PM
I was also thinking, I have not seen Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother wearing the State Diadem. Does anyone know for sure if she did?

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that all the Queens since Queen Adelaide (included) wore the State Diadem.

I have a vague recollection of seeing one photo of Cookie wearing it and the snapshot was taken before WW Two.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 03, 2007, 08:27:26 PM
I remember the Queen Mother's Crown. I saw it when she was lying in State in Westminster Hall. It sat on top of the coffin and blazed dazzlingly.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 04, 2007, 06:26:21 AM
We're talking about her wearing the George IV state diadem! I think I might have seen a picture of her wearing it too- she certainly wore it the least of all the Queens since Adelaide.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 04, 2007, 11:48:53 PM
I thought her husband also wore that.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 05, 2007, 08:17:20 AM
William IV? No, he did not wear the George IV State Diadem, I think his Queen Adelaide did though.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 06, 2007, 12:09:35 AM
No I was thinking of Gerorge VI.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 06, 2007, 05:33:08 AM
No I was thinking of Gerorge VI.  ???

Lilibeth's father did'nt
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 06, 2007, 05:51:25 AM
Yes George VI did not wear the George IV state diadem, that would have looked ridiculous.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 06, 2007, 08:28:22 PM
Do you think Charles would ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 06, 2007, 09:29:56 PM
I thought only queens used the diadem??

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 06, 2007, 10:09:17 PM
Well...I guess George IV is one big queen then.  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 07, 2007, 05:52:32 AM
I thought only queens used the diadem??

-Duke of NJ

It's too femine, I think, I only remember women wearing it.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: HerrKaiser on May 07, 2007, 09:28:17 AM
Since George IV had the diadem made for himself, he and others around him must not have thought it to be too feminine. The fact that the upper lines are even and not spiked and pointy make it more masculine. His intent was to wear it with a velvet cap around which the diadem would circle, hence looking more like a crown than a tiara and therefore more for a man's use and coronation usage. It would be nice to see it with the velvet inner cap, and as such, I bet most would consider it appropirate for a man. George IV never got around to using it and the women in the family grabbled it for tiara use...and that is how it has been ever since.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 07, 2007, 01:36:48 PM
Do you think Charles would ?  ???

God no, that would look ridiculous. Camilla will probably wear it.

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Well...I guess George IV is one big queen then.

No because apparently he did not wear it either. Although he had it made for himself, it did not turn out to be masculine enough.

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Since George IV had the diadem made for himself, he and others around him must not have thought it to be too feminine. The fact that the upper lines are even and not spiked and pointy make it more masculine. His intent was to wear it with a velvet cap around which the diadem would circle, hence looking more like a crown than a tiara and therefore more for a man's use and coronation usage. It would be nice to see it with the velvet inner cap, and as such, I bet most would consider it appropirate for a man. George IV never got around to using it and the women in the family grabbled it for tiara use...and that is how it has been ever since.

He did not think it too feminine when it was in the design stage. However when he saw it finished he and others around him did think it was too feminine therefore he chose not to wear it. It wasn't a case of him not getting around to it. Rather than it going to waste, it was worn by the next Queen, Adelaide who of course left it to her niece Victoria and she left it to the crown and it has been worn by all Queens since. Although as previously mentioned I'm not sure I've seen the Queen Mother in it. Even if it had a velvet cap inside - it would still look too feminine and imagine Prince Charles wearing it, it would look ridiculous! It definitely looks best on a Queen. Her Majesty wears it so well, and has been painted in it quite a lot.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 07, 2007, 04:55:02 PM
I believe a future queen will really "go into the vaults" and pick out some old things that are quite blingy.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 07, 2007, 08:55:00 PM
Well...We do need a future queen first. I think the York girls will go first though.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 07, 2007, 09:13:12 PM
Do you think Charles would ?  ???

God no, that would look ridiculous. Camilla will probably wear it.


Before The Queen is even interred, I am positive that Camilla will be spending her nights sleeping in the vaults waking up periodically to roll around in piles of jewels laughing maniacally and exclaiming, "Finally, it's mine. ALL MINE."
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 07, 2007, 09:37:44 PM
Yes I bet the cartoons would do a spread like that.  ;D However I think Charles will see to it that she recieves adaquate number of them but not all. Also William's wife may have quite a few lovely pieces by then.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 08, 2007, 08:20:03 AM
Well...We do need a future queen first. I think the York girls will go first though.  ???

No, I don't think the York girls will be going through the vaults before Camilla gets to. They are not considered important enough, and look at how they have already acted/presented themselves at times.  :( They might get a little something from the vaults, but they won't get their pick of everything.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 08, 2007, 08:21:42 AM
Do you think Charles would ?  ???

God no, that would look ridiculous. Camilla will probably wear it.


Before The Queen is even interred, I am positive that Camilla will be spending her nights sleeping in the vaults waking up periodically to roll around in piles of jewels laughing maniacally and exclaiming, "Finally, it's mine. ALL MINE."

God, what a scary thought!  :o Hopefully she'll at least have the good sense not to give any royal jewels whatsoever to her own children and their families!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 08, 2007, 10:31:47 AM
I can't imagine she would. Plus, Charles has bought her a good number of jewels (and will presumably buy her more) that will be her property and if she wanted to leave those to her children she could.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 08, 2007, 10:49:36 AM
The York girls may get into the vault eventually, but whatever they choose will be to borrow - not to keep; the only exception I can see is when HM passes, she may bequeath each of them one special piece that they have admired in the past or that she thinks will bring them pleasure.
While the Duchess of Cornwall has seemingly been enjoying jewellery more lately (case in point the ruby and diamond necklace seen during the US visit) she still does not strike me as the type to be secretly coveting the contents of the vault.  I just cannot imagine her in a midnight bacchanal in the strongroom - doing a jig with a giant glass of wine in hand, ropes of pearls draped round and tiara perched akimbo -  although I have to admit that I would certainly pay money to see it!  The Duchess has displayed very fine judgment to date with respect to jewels she has chosen and I see no reason to suspect that any pieces would be willed away from the Windsor collection through her instruction. 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 08, 2007, 10:59:01 AM
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The Duchess has displayed very fine judgment to date with respect to jewels she has chosen and I see no reason to suspect that any pieces would be willed away from the Windsor collection through her instruction.

Wearing jewellery previously given to Diana was not displaying very fine judgement, at least not in my opinion. Camilla has only had limited access to the jewel collections so far, it will be interesting what she does and what she chooses when she has full access as Queen Consort.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 08, 2007, 01:29:15 PM
Not meaning to be argumentative, but AFAIK the only pieces the Duchess has worn that the late Princess of Wales also wore are relatively minor ones - the Prince of Wales feathers pendant and the emerald brooch come to mind.  These pieces most likely were not given to the late Princess of Wales per se, but were meant to be used as long as she was Princess of Wales - a distinction that is worth noting.  As the wife of the Prince of Wales and the de facto current Princess of Wales, certainly Camilla should have the same options. 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 08, 2007, 01:33:19 PM
Yes, but what about the diamond necklace with the snake head at the end, you know the one Diana wore before the marriage when she wore that low cut black dress? That raised some eyebrows as I'm pretty sure Charles bought it as a present for Diana.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 08, 2007, 01:54:38 PM
I wish I was at my home computer with access to my photo archives, but IIRC those are two different necklaces.  Although at first glance the necklace that Diana wore might look like a serpent, it isn't.  And I believe it was borrowed.

Camilla's necklace is thought to be a family heirloom.

I am, of course prepared to be proven incorrect.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 08, 2007, 02:05:54 PM
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/feliciavictoria_2006/R%20is%20for/cam.jpg?t=1178651064)

I am talking about this one, I am pretty sure it was originally a gift from Charles to Diana, or at least I read it in a newspaper or magazine article, but perhaps it was mistaken. I'm still looking for a picture of Diana in it close up.

Hmm, I read elsewhere it was claimed it was from Camilla's family. But Diana did have one of the same design, right?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 08, 2007, 02:24:15 PM
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As the wife of the Prince of Wales and the de facto current Princess of Wales

I believe that Camilla is de jure Princess of Wales because the wife of the Prince of Wales automatically becomes Princess of Wales.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 08, 2007, 03:32:48 PM
Thanks for the correction Your Grace.   ;)  I was never too good with that there Latin stuff...


Found a pic of the 'scandalous' black dress.  It's not a serpent design necklace - it is just a sort of fringe of diamonds hanging down.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/di.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 08, 2007, 04:40:29 PM
Yes, Camilla's been pretty circumspect. EE's right--the jewels that have overlapped have been ones that were related to the wife of the Prince of Wales. At least one brooch was a gift to Queen Alexandra upon her wedding that had the POW emblem. She has avoided any jewelry that is clearly identified in modern eyes with Diana--ie the Cambridge Lover's Knot tiara which probably won't be worn until Prince William weds. As I said, Charles has bought her a good number of brooches, necklaces, etc...and she also has some (a small tiara, I believe, for instance) from her own Shand family and some of her ancestor Alice Keppel's jewelry.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 08, 2007, 08:36:04 PM
Yes. Thosetwo are very different necklaces. I don't think Diiana like animal necklaces (although she had a fake snake brooth and a paste spider). Camilla's snake necklace bought out memories of the snake motief Faberge ( with blue enemal and diamonds) bag which was a gift from Edward VII to Alice Keppel.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 08, 2007, 10:12:56 PM
I believe the cigarette case was a gift to the King from Mrs Keppel.  Upon the King's death, it was returned to Mrs Keppel by Queen Alexandra.  Mrs Keppel eventually gave it to Queen Mary for the Royal Collection.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/Cigarettecase-Faberge-1908.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 08, 2007, 10:18:30 PM
Yes...But the look is very similar to Camilla's snake necklace. Camilla may still get to use it when she became Princess Consort. The cigarette cae and the necklace is a good match.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: aussiechick12 on May 09, 2007, 02:54:08 AM

I am talking about this one, I am pretty sure it was originally a gift from Charles to Diana, or at least I read it in a newspaper or magazine article, but perhaps it was mistaken. I'm still looking for a picture of Diana in it close up.

Hmm, I read elsewhere it was claimed it was from Camilla's family. But Diana did have one of the same design, right?

Is this the article you are talking about?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Princess%20Diana/th_diana-camillacollar.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Princess%20Diana/diana-camillacollar.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 09, 2007, 03:37:50 AM
They are mistaken...Can we trust "The Star" on this ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 09, 2007, 07:07:09 AM
Yes...But the look is very similar to Camilla's snake necklace. Camilla may still get to use it when she became Princess Consort. The cigarette cae and the necklace is a good match.  ;)

Get to use what? The cigarette case? What can she use it for when she doesn't smoke, or does she?

I can see now that the snake necklace Camilla wore with the durbar tiara, is different from Diana's necklace she wore with the black dress. But at first glance they do look similar, from a distance.  ;)

That article posted by Emma,

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Princess%20Diana/diana-camillacollar.jpg)

I'm not sure if it is the one I am referring to, it looked something like that though.  :)

But what I want to know now is, is Camilla wearing Diana's necklace in the above pic in the article? It looks like it to me, as the necklace Camilla is wearing does not look the same as the snake necklace? If she is wearing Diana's necklace I don't approve, however I do approve of her wearing Prince of Wales feathers jewellery, which obviously should be worn by the wife of the Prince of Wales.

Where exactly does Camilla's snake necklace come from? Mrs Keppel? Does it have a connection to Edward VII?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 09, 2007, 08:56:30 AM
The aquamarines out for the Embassy dinner:

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74111332.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934B18D6B6E960467F211ADB99E91C10DD)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 09, 2007, 08:59:47 AM
(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74107121.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934B18D6B6E960467FF457F860DB9A47C3)

I think this brooch was the one that was given to the late Queen Mother for her 100th birthday.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 09, 2007, 10:59:08 AM
(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74107121.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934B18D6B6E960467FF457F860DB9A47C3)

I think this brooch was the one that was given to the late Queen Mother for her 100th birthday.

Very few people can wear this colour without looking awful.  The Queen looks wonderful.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 09, 2007, 12:46:58 PM
That's definitely one of my favourites out of the Queen's huge brooch collection. The pink rose and the diamonds - it is very beautiful and stylish. And the Queen does look great in lime.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 09, 2007, 08:27:59 PM
Love the arquamarines.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 09, 2007, 09:26:46 PM
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I am talking about this one, I am pretty sure it was originally a gift from Charles to Diana, or at least I read it in a newspaper or magazine article, but perhaps it was mistaken. I'm still looking for a picture of Diana in it close up.

Hmm, I read elsewhere it was claimed it was from Camilla's family. But Diana did have one of the same design, right?

From that post, is the woman standing behind Camilla, Metit-Marie of Norway??

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 09, 2007, 10:06:36 PM
Which photo ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 10, 2007, 08:31:08 AM
From that post, is the woman standing behind Camilla, Metit-Marie of Norway??

-Duke of NJ

Yes.  It is CP Mette-Marit.  She is wearing the amethyst tiara.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 10, 2007, 10:14:34 AM
So, does anyone know if the necklace/s the two of them are wearing in this article, are they the same or different? It doesn't look quite like Camilla's snake necklace, so is it Diana's necklace?

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Princess%20Diana/diana-camillacollar.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 10, 2007, 10:42:39 AM
I am trying to track down a better photo of Camilla at whatever event that is pictured - it is taking some time; it still looks like the serpent piece to me. 
I still hold the opinion that there are two different necklaces and that the one worn by Diana was borrowed. I can't recall it being worn again after this particular evening out, and considering her relatively small collection of diamonds, I am sure if it was actually her own piece, we would have seen it repeatedly. 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 10, 2007, 10:52:15 AM
Hmmm, I don't know if it was Diana's. Surely if it was not, it would not have been loaned by this mystery person to Camilla as well, wouldn't that be a bit of a coincidence? Camilla would be aware Diana wore it I am sure. I think there are two necklaces as well - the fringe one we'll call it, and the serpent one. But I can't see a serpent head on that Camilla picture in the article and the necklace is sitting in the exact same position on both of them it seems. :-\
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 10, 2007, 11:43:51 AM
The poor quality of the picture we're working with is a factor, but the general outline of the hanging portion matches the shape of the serpent head IMO.  I'm satisfied that it's the serpent necklace; however I can appreciate that some people might need more conclusive proof.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on May 10, 2007, 12:21:06 PM
Hmmm, I don't know if it was Diana's. Surely if it was not, it would not have been loaned by this mystery person to Camilla as well, wouldn't that be a bit of a coincidence? Camilla would be aware Diana wore it I am sure. I think there are two necklaces as well - the fringe one we'll call it, and the serpent one. But I can't see a serpent head on that Camilla picture in the article and the necklace is sitting in the exact same position on both of them it seems. :-\
They are not the same necklace and as usual that nasty cheap rag THE SUN is rabble rousing...Anyone who takes any notice of that paper are sad to say the least !!!!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 10, 2007, 12:37:35 PM
I need more conclusive proof before I make up my mind whether they are different or the same necklaces.

Ashdean, I don't think that article is even from The Sun. If a magazine or newspaper has photographic proof, no matter what the standard of quality of the paper, then they are often worth taking notice of. Anyone who takes any notice of that paper (the sun) are not sad to say the least, or anything like that! I am not British, but I do know at least with regards to the Sun that it was the paper that broke the Kate Middleton and Prince William split first - and it was right about that!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 03:23:43 PM
EmeraldEyes--I think the photo of Camilla, in the pink dress, was from one of their early engagments together (1999?) if that helps. I'm sure I remember that pink dress being made much of since it was rather her 'coming out'.

I found this photo:

(http://www.fanlogradio1journaal.nl/images/camilla_tcm44-226585.jpg)

Not on topic, but while looking I found a good photo of the engagement ring  :)

(http://photos.freenewmexican.com/2005/02/10/12521_375x375.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 10, 2007, 03:42:05 PM
(http://www.fanlogradio1journaal.nl/images/camilla_tcm44-226585.jpg)

This is not from the same one as the one in the newspaper. Different earrings.

The engagement ring looks much more impressive when it is sparkling, and then the size of the diamond is more appreciable, to me at least. :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 10, 2007, 04:40:37 PM
Thanks for providing a starting point GDella.  Pink dress.  Serpent necklace. 


(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/2.jpg)(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/3.jpg)(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/4.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 05:35:35 PM
(http://www.fanlogradio1journaal.nl/images/camilla_tcm44-226585.jpg)

This is not from the same one as the one in the newspaper. Different earrings.


No, but it's the same necklace isn't it?

EE--glad to help. The dress stuck in my mind--more than the necklace!  :)

Here's a brooch Camilla was wearing in March. Does anyone recognize it?

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/73462210.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1930F65A344AAC8D070C8FE039D105FA36A)

or this one from their visit to the US earlier in the year

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/73132722.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABBECC0B5EFA653C25B)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 05:41:59 PM
I think this is one of QA's emerald Prince of Wales brooches, though I couldn't get a good frontal close-up from either event:

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/72830401.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6E6924AC31F4E812FEC7C5022FB410D56)(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/72635410.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=8AF8AF6A335E5B089A45F6CB06B646A1)

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/56977264.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A658364558ED19D14FF06BF04B24B4128C)

and is this necklace the tiara that belonged to Alice Keppel, given by Edward VII:

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/72716649.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6B6F1733B9FCD7231810F755E003CBEB8) (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/56265211.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=B29FDE601AC0C35C19268FB9861F7F9B)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 05:54:16 PM
Some more of the serpant necklace--from the dinner in Egypt with Mubarak:

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/57147376.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A696D4DA50C92508AE4EF3EA9A178B7582) (http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/57147367.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6EC6963593BEA92D0329DF394FE942516)

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/57147372.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A696D4DA50C92508AE4E9C89C783688B46)

and from the premiere of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe:

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/56368768.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=AAAB1D3D22B8F28C9D0135F6561CF842)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 10, 2007, 07:21:46 PM
She seems to like it a lot!!

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on May 10, 2007, 08:03:36 PM
She seems to like it a lot!!

-Duke of NJ

Grand Duke of Hackensack, Earl of Hoboken,  Sir Garden State,

I really do not care for it myeslf.  If you have access to the "bling of all bling", by all means wear it!! ;D ;D ;D

TampaBay

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 10, 2007, 08:09:53 PM
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I really do not care for it myeslf.  If you have access to the "bling of all bling", by all means wear it!!


That is exactly what I was thinking.  I see better bling at the Paramus Mall and on the Turnpike!!!

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 10, 2007, 08:46:49 PM
The sapphire booch looked like Faberge and somthing Edward VII gave to Alice Keppel. It may be an heirloom.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 10:23:46 PM
A look back at the bling brought out during the US trip:

Cullinan V heart brooch
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18313759.jpg?size=67&uid={13c619c6-0069-454f-9474-bf998e45700b})

I'm not sure which brooch this is:

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18313262.jpg?size=67&uid={4af7b524-cd6a-4b15-8643-0218268a974f})

Queen Victoria's Bow Brooch:

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18309135.jpg?size=67&uid={045b4afa-7baa-4f16-a78b-93b0a184c19a})

Queen Mother's 100th Birthday brooch:

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74104436.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934B18D6B6E960467F874674ECC79867F8)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 10:28:29 PM
Uknown brooches (the 3rd one is known to me but I can't remember the name):

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18330798.jpg?size=67&uid={46cc7fac-9cb2-45c1-9f0a-6017c7882527})

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18324949.jpg?size=67&uid={0fe8b008-9834-4297-9f99-7b9190e6d4c1})

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18324688.jpg?size=67&uid={932bec68-d97a-4de2-b74e-940d624beaa7})
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2007, 10:34:48 PM
And the big jewelry event:

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74094789.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193121F0CA65233434869D1533CE2883D27)

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74094761.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193121F0CA6523343484EEBF161800BF5C8)

Queen Mary's True Lover's Knot Brooch
Queen Mary's Link Bracelet
Queen Mary's Girls of Great Britain & Ireland Tiara

I'm sure someone else knows the name of the necklace and earrings.  :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 11, 2007, 12:21:19 AM
Lovely photos !
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on May 11, 2007, 05:28:17 AM
Cannot see the photos?????  ??? ??? ???

TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 11, 2007, 06:04:33 AM
I cannot see some of the getty and corbis ones Grandduchessella posts either,  :( I think they need to be saved to photobucket first.

With regards to the snake necklace, which I suppose Camilla is indeed wearing in that newspaper photo (unless she wore that pink dress three different times  :-\) well I like the serpent necklace a lot. I love snake jewelry, but I hate snakes.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 11, 2007, 06:08:57 AM
And the big jewelry event:

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74094789.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193121F0CA65233434869D1533CE2883D27)

(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/74094761.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193121F0CA6523343484EEBF161800BF5C8)

Queen Mary's True Lover's Knot Brooch
Queen Mary's Link Bracelet
Queen Mary's Girls of Great Britain & Ireland Tiara

I'm sure someone else knows the name of the necklace and earrings.  :)

the necklace is the KING GEORGE VI FESTOON NECKLACE, given to HM by her father in 1947
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 11, 2007, 08:05:20 PM
It is a lovely piece.  :D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 11, 2007, 09:02:55 PM
I cannot see some of the getty and corbis ones Grandduchessella posts either,  :( I think they need to be saved to photobucket first.

With regards to the snake necklace, which I suppose Camilla is indeed wearing in that newspaper photo (unless she wore that pink dress three different times  :-\) well I like the serpent necklace a lot. I love snake jewelry, but I hate snakes.

I can see them.  ???

Photobucket isn't working for me right now--it keeps sending me back to my log-in.

Alexander--thanks for the necklace ID. I thought it might be that piece (I was looking through Fields's book) but it looked like it hung slightly differently than it showed in the book photo.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 11, 2007, 09:07:11 PM
I can see the photos.  Is the necklace the Queen is wearing the one that was cut from five 'strands' to three??

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 11, 2007, 11:35:17 PM
No...That was the "Greville necklace" from the Queen Mum. Don't know if the Queen or Charles has it...?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 12, 2007, 12:18:04 AM
I can see the photos.  Is the necklace the Queen is wearing the one that was cut from five 'strands' to three??

-Duke of NJ

Here's what Fields says about the George VI necklace. In 1947 GVI wanted to make some jewellery from 239 large diamond collets that he had inherited. In 1950 105 were set in this 3 row necklace.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: basilforever on May 12, 2007, 04:22:39 AM
I can see all of the corbis pictures I think, and some of the getty ones. It doesn't matter because I can look them up myself. :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 12, 2007, 07:17:25 AM
I can't see the photos either. Just comes up with an X, would it be possible to post the links of the jewellery pictures please :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 12, 2007, 11:08:28 AM
I can see them fine.  ??? Anyway, if you use the right click and choose 'properties' you can get the link or use the quote button and it will bring it up.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 12, 2007, 04:21:45 PM
What about the earrings she wore to the White House state banquet? They look familiar...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 13, 2007, 02:09:52 AM
To see some of EII's brooches:

http://freenet-homepage.de/Atelier/queen/index.htm

and my tiara  ;) (plus some info on some of the other Fife jewels Louise received)

http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/fife-massin-tiara.htm

Some more of EII's jewelry:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/queen/queens-jewels.htm
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 13, 2007, 09:08:32 PM
Yes thank you so much grandduchessella for those sites! I love looking at royal-magazin, the layouts and graphics are so beautiful!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Victor on May 20, 2007, 12:17:08 AM
In the country I live in we get to see an elegant picture of the Queen wearing the Grand Duchess Vladimirs' scrolled diamond tiara with the pearl drops every day:it's on our $20 note[New Zealand].If I knew how ,I'd  post the picture-must figure out how to do that.H.M. always wears that tiara when she comes here,sometimes without the drops.Only once can I remember H.M.wearing it here with the Cambridge Emerald drops.Perhaps they don't travel well!The tiara ,as we all know,came to H.M. through Queen Mary,who bought it from Princess Ilena of Greece who inherited it from her mother GDV.On the 'heads' side of our coins we see H.M. wearing Queen Mary's 'Girls of Great Britain and Ireland' tiara with the bandeau base in place.H.M. affectionatley refers to the piece as 'Granny's Tiara'.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 20, 2007, 01:26:16 AM
I love both tiaras !  ;D
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 20, 2007, 09:15:18 AM
That makes two of us!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 20, 2007, 08:19:58 PM
I am sure a lot more of us around.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 24, 2007, 12:05:17 PM
I had the opportunity of seeing GDV's tiara, set with ther emerald drops, last year when I visited BP to see the exhibition of the Queen's dresses.

I have to add that it really is a lovely piece, but slightly smaller in real life than I thought that it would be.  Still, it is a lovely jewel and the emerald drops were simply stunningly beautiful.

Much to my chagrin, there was no printed information available to purchase at this exhibition but I did make some notes at the time about tht eother jewellery on display - that is assuming I can fine them and anyone is interested?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 24, 2007, 02:50:28 PM
Count me in! :) It looked like a wonderful exhibition, I'd love to hear about what you saw!

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 24, 2007, 08:23:24 PM
Count me in too !

Eric
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 25, 2007, 07:38:56 AM
I'm still hunting for the notes I made.  I have a sneaky suspicion that I binned them, little realising that I might need them again.  After all, it was nealry a year ago that I went to BP.

I have to add that the Exhibition was an ordeal.  I hate going to BP in the summer, it really is not so much a pleasure as an endurance test and the interiors of BP hold no interest for me at all.  However you have to process through all the State Rooms to get to the room where they hold these exhibitions - I think it was the Ball Supper Room? 

At any rate, it was mobbed, as it always is, and the hordes were sweltering on a hot Summer's day.  The dresses were stunning, especially the early Hartnells and Hardy Amies form the 50's and 60's; the later stuff not so good and exhibits from her current wardrobe not really worth exhibiting.

The jewels were displayed in cases agains the walls at eye level and it was nigh on impossible to get to the front to see them without elbowing and jostling - which I most certainly did!  I made myself extrememly unpopular ( no change there then I hear you all add!) by taking up position and making notes, which earned me no end of dirty looks from overheated and irritable tourists, and more than few suspicious ones from others who perhaps thought I was casing the joint!

I do recall that the accompanying jewels to the Vladimir tiara were displayed - the ladies of India necklace, with its negligee Cambridge emerald and Cullinan marquise pendants, the ensuite stud earrings, bracelet and the carved emerald brooch - all too lovely for words.  I can't remember if the other brooches that used to form part of the stomacher were displayed.......I seem to recall that the lovely choker, made stylish use of and so identified with the Princess of Wales, was displayed and that its globular emeralds were mouth-watering - a really lovely delicate jewel.

It was a great exhibition, and quite possibly the only time such a large proportion of the Queen's jewellery has been displayed publicly, quite possibly also the last.  Who knows what will become of this amazing collection after her passing?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ChristineM on May 25, 2007, 08:03:49 AM
Now, isn't that wonderful, Martyn is again where he belongs amid the Windsor jewels.

Posters of more recent times, I hope, will benefit from the wealth of information, knowledge, understanding and attention to the details of items of beauty exquisitely relayed by Martyn.   

Trust me... its true.

tsaria
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 25, 2007, 08:19:44 AM
Now, isn't that wonderful, Martyn is again where he belongs amid the Windsor jewels.

Posters of more recent times, I hope, will benefit from the wealth of information, knowledge, understanding and attention to the details of items of beauty exquisitely relayed by Martyn.   

Trust me... its true.

tsaria

That really is too kind Tsaria, and perhaps more than I deserve!   :-[

I sometimes feel that I have forgotten all that I have ever learned but hope that I can play some small part with what I can remember!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Svetabel on May 25, 2007, 01:02:16 PM
Now, isn't that wonderful, Martyn is again where he belongs amid the Windsor jewels.

Posters of more recent times, I hope, will benefit from the wealth of information, knowledge, understanding and attention to the details of items of beauty exquisitely relayed by Martyn.   

Trust me... its true.

tsaria

That really is too kind Tsaria, and perhaps more than I deserve!   :-[

I sometimes feel that I have forgotten all that I have ever learned but hope that I can play some small part with what I can remember!

Oh, come on, Martyn, you are an expert in jewels! It's so nice to meet you here again! :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ChristineM on May 25, 2007, 01:19:53 PM
Geoffrey Munn... eat your heart out!

Even the 'small part' you can remember will be warmly welcome, Martyn   


tsaria
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 25, 2007, 02:56:59 PM
Absolutely! I'd love to hear any details! :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 25, 2007, 05:32:58 PM
Well, well, well...look who the cat dragged in... :)

Martyn you simply mustn't tease us with all the details of emeralds and other yummy things you must have been able to see firsthand (lucky duck).  Waste no time in telling ALL!

In the meantime, let's pause for a moment and ponder these most delicious pieces as displayed at 'Dress For the Occasion'.  I'm not sure but I think these pics may be from Getty.  :P  Anyone have no watermark versions?

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/71513143.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/71513142.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/71513192.jpg)

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 25, 2007, 05:44:35 PM
 Here's a closeup! I'll try and find a complete image.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41929000/jpg/_41929016_queen5_416getty.jpg)

And the necklace:
(http://iatwm.com/200607/QueenElizabethGowns/200134.jpg)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 25, 2007, 05:48:46 PM
The aquamarines and the emerald necklace were the only ones I could find w/o watermark:

(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-17131003.jpg?size=67&uid={62151ed5-8c84-4767-b472-2c2feff83486})(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-17121665.jpg?size=67&uid={e72b3951-0469-467c-8383-f50b7a90cdd6})

I'll keep looking for the Vladimir. Or do you just want any version w/o a watermark? I have good shots of the tiara with emeralds and with pearls. Also the 3 emerald brooches.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 25, 2007, 06:02:16 PM
Thanks to you both, Mary R and GDella.

I'm really only looking for non-watermarked versions of the pics I posted - although one never tires of looking at this parure (deep sigh)...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 25, 2007, 11:34:39 PM
Love the arquramarines.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 26, 2007, 04:04:05 AM
I don't quite know how I managed it, but I found the appalling notes that I made at the time of the visit.

In one case was displayed the emerald parure, consisting of the Vladimir tiara, set with the emeralds, the Ladies of India necklace, the stud earrings, ensuite bracelet, the ancient engraved emerald brooch (which had also been presented to May with the necklace in Delhi in Dec 1911), the two brooches made from the Cambridge emeralds and the Cullinan chips and finally the Art Deco choker, remade in 1927 and a jewel very much associated with the late Princess of Wales.  The choker was lovely, perhaps my favourite piece form this parure.

The Bazilian aquamarine parure, presented to the Queen in 1953 by the President and people of Brazil, was displayed in another case - tiara, necklace, earrings, brooch, clips and bracelets.  Much as I love aquamarines, this tiara is not one of my favourites, as I have said elsewhere.  To me it looks top-heavy and dominated by that huge (but very lovely) central aquamarine.  Apparently, it took a year to acquire stones of this quality and size to complete this parure; it must have indeed been a splendid gift.

In another case was displayed an assortment of individual pieces of jewellery, as opposed to a complete parure, which I will describe later when I have more time.

Thanks emeraldeyes for the welcome and trust me, the vist to BP to see these jewels was not for the faint-hearted!!!!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 26, 2007, 09:49:42 PM
Thank you so much for your notes... and they were not appalling! I am looking forward to the other descriptions!

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2007, 12:07:02 AM
Actually I think it was quite good... ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 29, 2007, 08:15:00 AM
These are some of the other items that were on display:

The diamond necklace given to the Queen on her 21st birthday, 21st April  1947 by the Government of South Africa, comprising fifteen large diamonds, the largest of which is 10 carats!  This really is a lovely simple necklace and the diamonds are big!

The diamond bracelet to match, which was made by shortening the original necklace in 1952, and which has as its centrepiece a superb 6 carat round-cut blue-white diamond, which QEII had also been given when touring the 'Big Hole', the first and greatest of the Kimberley diamond mines, during the 1947 tour.

The Queen has always referred to this set as 'my best diamonds' and one can well understand why.  The quality of the diamonds is amazing and the setting is relatively simple; the large brilliants are connected by links of two small brilliants mounted either side of a baguette diamond.  Apparently when the Queen was presented with the necklace in 1947 (when it symbolically comprised 21 large diamonds) by Field Marshall Smuts, she gasped with delight.  Who wouldn't??!!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 29, 2007, 08:48:18 AM
The 'My best diamonds' are truly elegant and the necklace and bracelet are two of my favourites in HM's collection.  Can anyone recall the last time she wore these in public?  I can't seem to remember any recent appearances.   ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 29, 2007, 12:05:01 PM
The Queen wearing the aquamarine parure in May in Canada.........

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Jewels/Elizabeth_II.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 29, 2007, 12:52:36 PM
While I have never been a fan of the Aquamarine tiara, I must say I thought it was very impressive when I saw it in the exhibition at BP!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 29, 2007, 12:59:00 PM
While I have never been a fan of the Aquamarine tiara, I must say I thought it was very impressive when I saw it in the exhibition at BP!

I think that is an excellent way to describe it.  The central stone of the tiara is almost monumental.  I can't really appreciate the style of the piece though; its elements don't seem to flow - for me at least.

I did like the necklace and the earrings though, very much, and the colour of the aquamarines is simply stunning.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 29, 2007, 01:02:25 PM
The Queen wearing the aquamarine parure in May in Canada.........

Are you sure this is in Canada?  HM usually wears the insignia of the Order of Canada when she is here.   ???

She wore the aquamarines without the tiara in Washington...
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 29, 2007, 01:04:52 PM
While I have never been a fan of the Aquamarine tiara, I must say I thought it was very impressive when I saw it in the exhibition at BP!

Yes, eddieboy, I think that is the right word to describe the tiara.  Personally, my favourite piece in the aquamarine suite would have to be the bracelet. 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 29, 2007, 01:42:38 PM
The Queen wearing the aquamarine parure in May in Canada.........

Are you sure this is in Canada?  HM usually wears the insignia of the Order of Canada when she is here.   ???

She wore the aquamarines without the tiara in Washington...

You might be right.  I think that this photo was attached to an article about the trip and not necessarily representative of it.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 29, 2007, 01:52:28 PM
The Williamson was well worth seeing..........

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Jewels/Williiamson.jpg)

I know that I have criticised this piece, comparing it unfavourably with the more contemporary design of the collection of the Duchess of Windsor, but it really has to be seen to be believed.

It is reportedly the finest example of a pink diamond in the World - all 23.6 carats of it, and pink diamonds are apparently rare.  It is quite a large piece and it was omnly close to that I appreciated the quality of the setting.  Designed as a jonquil shaped flower, of which the pink diamond is the heart, it has curved petals of noisette -cut diamonds, stems of baguettes and two large noisettes as leaves.

The colour of the pink diamond is really exquisite.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 29, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
Very nice to me...even in photos.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 30, 2007, 07:36:25 AM
I particularly loved the Cullinan V brooch and the other brooch set with Cullinan VII and VIII.

The style of these two brooches, with their gentle scrolls and tiny leaves, is perhaps quite conventional and very much of the era of the 'garland' style.  However, the setting of the Cullinan V brooch is designed to show off the beauty of the stone and does so to perfection.  This 18.8 carat heart-shaped stone is superb and May had a particular fondness for this piece, ensuring that it had many uses for both day toilettes and evening ones; it has featured as part of May's Cambridge emerald stomacher as well as the central section of the cross pattee on her crown for the 1937 Coronation.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Jewels/CullinanV.jpg)                  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Jewels/CullinanVIVII.jpg)

The Cullinan VII and VIII brooch was made at the same time as the Cullinan V (roughly around 1910-11) and has two really beautiful stones from the Cullinan cleavings.


Both really gorgeous pieces, it was such a treat to see them close up.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 30, 2007, 07:45:43 AM
Another really nice piece was this ruby and diamond necklace, which used to be part of the Baring family collection, and which I think was bought by the Queen in the 60's.

She doesn't seem to wear it often, preferring another short ruby and diamond necklace that is far inferior in style, in my opinion.  The necklace shown is mid 19th century and I think that the Queen has been photographed wearing it in recent memory, but not often.  She never seems to wear the lovely George VI ruby and diamond bandeau necklace any more.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Jewels/Baringrubynecklace.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 30, 2007, 01:11:23 PM
I was also quite surprised to see the 'Rose of York' bracelet included in the Exhibition.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Jewels/RoseofYork.jpg)

This was a gift to May, originally in the form of a pendant depicting the Rose of York in rubies and diamonds, from her husband at their wedding in 1893.  She subsequently wore it as a brooch and then in 1947 gave it to the present Queen in its current form - the rose centrepiece set in the middle of a gold cuff bracelet with bands of ruby and diamond leaves - as a wedding present.

It is a lovely bracelet and the merging of the two pieces is such that it is impossible to tell that the two component parts date from fifty years apart.  I am sure that this must be a much loved piece in the Queen's collection......
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 30, 2007, 07:09:04 PM
A review of rubies...

Wearing the necklace that was in "Dress for the Occasion" and just remarked upon by Martyn.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/A04-1.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/qeiiindiancirclet.jpg)


Wearing the George VI ruby and diamond bandeau necklace.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/Baron.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/QE529.jpg)


Wearing another necklace, possibly the inferior one mentioned by Martyn.  How I detest the fact that this photo has been 'flipped' and that the Garter sash and the family orders seem to be on the wrong side... >:(

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/q101-20060421093002.jpg)


(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/q133-1.jpg)


My thanks to all the posters who have willingly shared these images in the past.   :-*   :-*   :-*


Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 30, 2007, 07:20:34 PM
A review of rubies...

Wearing the necklace that was in "Dress for the Occasion" and just remarked upon by Martyn.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/A04-1.jpg)


And with the Rose of York bracelet Martyn just wrote about.  :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 30, 2007, 07:28:21 PM
Wearing another necklace, possibly the inferior one mentioned by Martyn.  How I detest the fact that this photo has been 'flipped' and that the Garter sash and the family orders seem to be on the wrong side... >:(

Does this help, EE?  :)

(http://)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 30, 2007, 08:17:06 PM


OMG, it's spreading!!!!!!  Everyone run to your photo banks and try to put a containment field around them. 

I'm about to have a conniption!   :o 

Photo flippin' - just one of the many reasons I may need therapy soon.  It's hard when you're a stickler like me.   :-\

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 30, 2007, 08:36:51 PM



(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/q133-1.jpg)

What is the clip/pin in her hair? I've never seen her wear that piece before. Anyone have the history behind it?

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 30, 2007, 08:42:24 PM
The ear of wheat booch belonged to Queen Victoria's collection and passed down.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 30, 2007, 08:46:56 PM
Field has this to say: 

"In 1830 King William IV ordered six brooches that could also be worn as hair ornaments.  They were made from diamonds that had belonged to his father, King George III, and were replicas of wheat ears, a popular motif of the period.  In her will Queen Victoria designated them as Crown jewellery."
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 30, 2007, 08:48:28 PM
Wonder what happen to the other 5 ?  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 30, 2007, 08:55:18 PM
If they're Crown pieces, they're no doubt languishing in some forgotten corner of the jewel coliseum beneath Buck House.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 30, 2007, 09:31:36 PM
She never seems to wear the lovely George VI ruby and diamond bandeau necklace any more.....

Well, it does require a bit of décolletage; HM hasn't worn anything nearly low-cut enough for decades.

We'll llikely have to wait until the Duchess of Cornwall has it at her disposal before we see it once more.   :P
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 30, 2007, 09:56:06 PM
Sorry, EE, I was trying to 'fix' the problem. I think I picked the wrong photo to 'flip'.  :-[ Shows how much I know about Orders.

Let's try this:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/q101-20060421093002.jpg)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 30, 2007, 10:47:46 PM
I guess the Queen must be one of the last 3 to have George V's family Order. ( Princess Alexandra & The Duke of Kent may have one too).  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ChristineM on May 31, 2007, 04:21:57 AM
And, perhaps, the Duke of Gloucester.

tsaria
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 31, 2007, 04:47:12 AM
Sorry, EE, I was trying to 'fix' the problem. I think I picked the wrong photo to 'flip'.  :-[ Shows how much I know about Orders.

Let's try this:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/q101-20060421093002.jpg)


i don't think i've seen that necklace before...   it looks modern (as in 20th century).    does anyone have any info about it?


and an 'off-topic' for grandduchessella:   a belated congratulations on little Ella's 5th birthday (she's adorable, btw.   you do very good work!  ;)  )
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 31, 2007, 07:38:21 AM
She never seems to wear the lovely George VI ruby and diamond bandeau necklace any more.....

Well, it does require a bit of décolletage; HM hasn't worn anything nearly low-cut enough for decades.

We'll llikely have to wait until the Duchess of Cornwall has it at her disposal before we see it once more.   :P

I think that you're right about that.

It is quite a long necklace and does require a low evening neckline to show it to advantage, something that the Queen very sensibly no longer requires for her dresses.

I would like to see it worn by one of the younger royals; too much jewellery is not a good look for the Duchess who IMO looks better in her simpler daytime and evening ensembles, with smaller jewellery.........
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 31, 2007, 07:47:01 AM
A review of rubies...




Wearing another necklace, possibly the inferior one mentioned by Martyn.  How I detest the fact that this photo has been 'flipped' and that the Garter sash and the family orders seem to be on the wrong side... >:(

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/q101-20060421093002.jpg)







That is indeed the 'inferior necklace'.  Many thanks emeraldeyes for digging it out.

I really dislike this piece.  I simply think that it looks like costume jewellery; it is so similar to some of the junk that I regulalry have to buy for our productions that it makes me almost shudder.  Such a shame, because the sizes of the cabochon ruby centre stone and drop are impressive, rubies being rare and generally smaller, compared to sapphies and emeralds.  The chains of diamonds look like so much paste......

I love the Baring necklace, but then I am very much a fan of Victorian and Edwardian jewellery.  It has been suggested that the two side drops on this necklace were once earrings and were added to the necklace at some later date, possibly by HM, who after all, seems to have no shortage of earrings to wear with these necklaces!  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on May 31, 2007, 07:56:25 AM
Sorry, EE, I was trying to 'fix' the problem. I think I picked the wrong photo to 'flip'.  :-[ Shows how much I know about Orders.

Let's try this:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/q101-20060421093002.jpg)


i don't think i've seen that necklace before...   it looks modern (as in 20th century).    does anyone have any info about it?


and an 'off-topic' for grandduchessella:   a belated congratulations on little Ella's 5th birthday (she's adorable, btw.   you do very good work!  ;)  )

L.Field says (p.138) " As recently as 1985, on a State visit to England, the Amir of Qatar presented the Queen with a diamond swag necklace with a centre peice of two large rubies."
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on May 31, 2007, 08:20:39 AM
I guess the Queen must be one of the last 3 to have George V's family Order. ( Princess Alexandra & The Duke of Kent may have one too).  ???

Wikipedia says that Alexandra was that of George VI and EII.

" The Queen herself wears the Family Orders of her father King George VI and her grandfather King George V; she does not wear her own. Princess Alexandra has those of King George VI and The Queen. Those who wear that of The Queen only are The Countess of Wessex, The Princess Royal, Zara Phillips, The Duchess of Gloucester and The Duchess of Kent. The late Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, wore those of King George V, King George VI, and The Queen. The late Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, also wore those of King George V, King George VI and The Queen. The late Princess Margaret wore the same as her mother, Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother. The late Diana, Princess of Wales wore that of The Queen only."

Sarah, Princess Michael and now Camilla apparently didn't receive the Order.

Brnbg--thanks about Ella.   :) :-*
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 31, 2007, 08:35:38 AM
Sorry, EE, I was trying to 'fix' the problem. I think I picked the wrong photo to 'flip'.  :-[ Shows how much I know about Orders.

Oh, you were trying to help and I thought you were being mischievous and trying to vex me!  Ha!  Many thanks for the 'fix'.  I'll be able to sleep at night again knowing that there is no photo-flipping virus lurking in the depths of cyberspace.   (deep breath, comes out of hiding place in basement with photo-file cds.)
And we both know that you know plenty about orders!  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 31, 2007, 08:50:03 AM

Wikipedia says

...Those who wear that of The Queen only are.. Zara Phillips...

I have trouble believing that Zara has the family order, if only because she really has no opportunity to wear it.  Now having said that, I suppose if she doesn't have the opportinity to wear it, we'll never really know if she has it or not.   ???  A case of chicken and egg I suppose.   ???


Sarah, Princess Michael and now Camilla apparently didn't receive the Order.

I can see only one person on that list who has absolutely zero chance of ever getting it; one is quite likely and the other is a dark horse.

Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 31, 2007, 08:54:02 AM
How did QEII receive the George V order? Does she wear it because she lived during George V's reign (even though she was a young child)? Silly question probably..

I have trouble believing that Zara has the family order, if only because she really has no opportunity to wear it.  Now having said that, I suppose if she doesn't have the opportinity to wear it, we'll never really know if she has it or not.   ???  A case of chicken and egg I suppose.   ???
I also wonder if she has the family order... I see her as one who might not want to wear it.

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ChristineM on May 31, 2007, 08:57:07 AM
It does look like costume jewellery, Martyn.   Mark you, I think a lot of it looks like costume jewellery.   'Philistine', I hear you mutter.   

Re the Duchess of Cornwall and adornment - you are quite right Martyn.   She looks infinitely better in a neat little two piece.   Perhaps she realises this herself given her penchant for them.   Apart from her wedding day ensemble which I loved - including the hat/tiara, I don't recall seeing her in evening wear that I either liked, or felt she looked comfortable wearing.   The worst example of excess was the Dehli Durbar tiara she wore with big hair.   I thought she looked like a caricature.    I have to 'fess up here.   I'm not wild about tiaras in general.  I admire the beauty of the jewels and the art of the jeweller.   However, in this day and age, I think they look slightly ridiculous.   That's probably why I liked the variant Camilla wore on her wedding day.    I'm sure I'm in a minority of one - I'm already preparing to dodge the brickbats.

tsaria

PS:  I've e-mailed my cousin telling him WE are awaiting his critique.   Apologies for making this thread a bit of a hybrid and posting here rather on the thread devoted to Camilla.   A case of falling between two tiaras!
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 31, 2007, 08:59:18 AM
I really dislike this piece.  I simply think that it looks like costume jewellery; it is so similar to some of the junk that I regulalry have to buy for our productions that it makes me almost shudder.  Such a shame, because the sizes of the cabochon ruby centre stone and drop are impressive, rubies being rare and generally smaller, compared to sapphies and emeralds.  The chains of diamonds look like so much paste......

Agreed, the large rubies are amazing, but the rest of the necklace looks rather weird.


I love the Baring necklace, but then I am very much a fan of Victorian and Edwardian jewellery.  It has been suggested that the two side drops on this necklace were once earrings and were added to the necklace at some later date, possibly by HM, who after all, seems to have no shortage of earrings to wear with these necklaces!  ;)

I like this necklace too, but the whole centre part looks like an adaptation-alteration-add-on to me.  Not only the side earring/pendants, but also the large centre part looks like it was originally a brooch or perhaps a pendant on another piece.  It is nice though, and I would certainly take deliver from FedEx should I ever be so fortunate.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 31, 2007, 09:21:29 AM
How did QEII receive the George V order? Does she wear it because she lived during George V's reign (even though she was a young child)? Silly question probably..
Mary R.

For some reason I have it in my head that it was a jubilee gift from George V to the little princess, but I could be making that up. 
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 31, 2007, 11:33:50 AM
It does look like costume jewellery, Martyn.   Mark you, I think a lot of it looks like costume jewellery.   'Philistine', I hear you mutter.   


tsaria

PS:  I've e-mailed my cousin telling him WE are awaiting his critique.   Apologies for making this thread a bit of a hybrid and posting here rather on the thread devoted to Camilla.   A case of falling between two tiaras!

I am reeling with horror.........  :o :o :o

P.S.  Can't wait for that critique.........
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on May 31, 2007, 11:37:44 AM

Agreed, the large rubies are amazing, but the rest of the necklace looks rather weird.



I like this necklace too, but the whole centre part looks like an adaptation-alteration-add-on to me.  Not only the side earring/pendants, but also the large centre part looks like it was originally a brooch or perhaps a pendant on another piece.  It is nice though, and I would certainly take deliver from FedEx should I ever be so fortunate.

A good way to describe it......weird....and short......

The Baring necklace does look a bit of a hybrid.  Probably the earrings being added, but I see what you say about the central section (or rather I have been straining my old eyes to see what you mean.... ;) )

What time do you want Fedex to deliver???  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on May 31, 2007, 12:34:34 PM
Somebody please remind me of the name of the ruby and diamond tiara H.M. is seen wearing in the 'flipped' photo. Thank you.

R.I.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 31, 2007, 01:21:22 PM
Well, I always think of it as "The Tiara for the Royal Fireworks", but I think generally it's referred to as the Modern Ruby Tiara.


Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on May 31, 2007, 03:54:29 PM
Well, I always think of it as "The Tiara for the Royal Fireworks", but I think generally it's referred to as the Modern Ruby Tiara.



The modern Ruby tiara is much more stylish than the historic Indian tiara..
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 31, 2007, 04:03:05 PM
Really?  I much prefer the Indian ruby tiara, the lines seem more graceful and flowing, a very elegant jewel IMO.
I always hear Handel playing in the background whenever I see the newer one - still, the rubies are a wonderful colour and HM seems to like it well enough.  Who am I to argue?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on May 31, 2007, 04:52:44 PM
For some reason I have it in my head that it was a jubilee gift from George V to the little princess, but I could be making that up. 
I also had that idea... it seemed to be a likely explanation. ???

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 31, 2007, 07:42:23 PM
For some reason I have it in my head that it was a jubilee gift from George V to the little princess, but I could be making that up. 
I also had that idea... it seemed to be a likely explanation. ???

Mary R.

Both princesses received their grandfather's order at the time of his jubilee, yes.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 31, 2007, 07:59:33 PM
You mean Elisabeth & Alexandra right ?  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on June 01, 2007, 04:02:15 AM
Really?  I much prefer the Indian ruby tiara, the lines seem more graceful and flowing, a very elegant jewel IMO.
I always hear Handel playing in the background whenever I see the newer one - still, the rubies are a wonderful colour and HM seems to like it well enough.  Who am I to argue?


I have to agree with that.  The Oriental Circlet has a lovely design, as emeraldeyes suggests, very graceful and flowing, although the rubies are a little on the small side.  I'm surprised the this piece has yet to appear on Camilla's head......or has it?

The Queen's modern ruby tiara is a lovely piece; I had never really thought of it in terms of 'fireworks' but that is a lovely allusion.  I'm not a big fan of the Queen's modern tiaras and this is not really to my taste (being an antique, I have a leaning towarsd the antique!) but the ruby and diamond content is high and the Queen wears it often, so she must be fond of it........
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 01, 2007, 04:03:53 AM
Yes it look like flames.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on June 01, 2007, 06:08:41 AM
Yes it look like flames.  ;)

I think that the original purposes of the design is was to suggest flowers clustered amongst floral sprays, but flames and fireworks do spring to mind........ :)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Leuchtenberg on June 01, 2007, 09:10:14 AM
You mean Elisabeth & Alexandra right ?  ???

No.  Elizabeth and Margaret.   Princess Alexandra wasn't born until after the death of her grandfather.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on June 01, 2007, 03:54:00 PM
Thank you so much for your answer! :) I have wondered that for some time.

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on June 02, 2007, 06:30:11 PM
I like the design of the Modern Ruby Tiara, but I find the deep settings of the rubies a bit heavy. I also like the graceful Indian Circlet and like Martin find the rubies small, but the size may have suited the original Opals that were mounted.

R.I.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on June 03, 2007, 03:07:41 AM
I like the design of the Modern Ruby Tiara, but I find the deep settings of the rubies a bit heavy. I also like the graceful Indian Circlet and like Martin find the rubies small, but the size may have suited the original Opals that were mounted.

R.I.

I agree with that.  Of course the modern ruby tiara was designed to incorporate the gift of rubies from the Burmese Government, and I suppose as such, they were meant to be the most important element in the design of this piece.  It is very much of its time in its design.

You might be right about the size of the opals dictating the size of the rubies in the Oriental Circlet, Emperor.  I'm not sure how much QA might have been able to alter this piece had she so wished, as it was one of the jewels that QV had designated as part of the Crown Collection; I suspect however that if she had some monumental rubies that she wanted to put in, she would have had them mounted in this tiara........ ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on June 03, 2007, 06:18:51 AM


I really dislike this piece.  I simply think that it looks like costume jewellery; it is so similar to some of the junk that I regulalry have to buy for our productions that it makes me almost shudder.  Such a shame, because the sizes of the cabochon ruby centre stone and drop are impressive, rubies being rare and generally smaller, compared to sapphies and emeralds.  The chains of diamonds look like so much paste......


There is nothing wrong with costume jewelry that is guady, tacky and even a little junky if it is worn in the proper context with the proper outfit.  I do not care for the necklace either but the bigger problem IMO is that the necklace does not compliment the tiara and tiara does not compliment the necklace.  It looks as if the QE was in hurry to get to an engagment and waked into her jewelry vault and grabbed the first "red" pieces she happened upon.  I can live with the style of the tiara but, once again, I would wear it as a necklace.
The Queen's stylist should be taken out behind the barn and shot over this slection.  Come to think of it, I really do not care for the Queen's gown eiter. 

Thank the gods that watch over Vogue that the queen is dressing with so much more panache the last three to four years.


TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on June 03, 2007, 06:36:11 AM
That's not such a bad idea Tampa; it might look good as a necklace but I have a feeling that it is not removeable from the frame.........

I can see why she likes the short necklace as it follows the line of the higher evening necklines that she now favours.  She may also choose to wear it because, unlike the ruby bandeau necklace, that was a gift from her father, and the Baring necklace, which she bought privately, this shorter piece was a gift from a reigning monarch.  Such pieces are brought out and worn from time to time as a discreet acknowledgment of the gift to the original donor or their people.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: TampaBay on June 03, 2007, 07:21:57 AM
That's not such a bad idea Tampa; it might look good as a necklace but I have a feeling that it is not removeable from the frame.........


I am sure Garrad's can convert the tiara to a necklace when the Queen sends this piece my way!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Martyn on June 03, 2007, 07:28:13 AM
That's not such a bad idea Tampa; it might look good as a necklace but I have a feeling that it is not removeable from the frame.........


I am sure Garrad's can convert the tiara to a necklace when the Queen sends this piece my way!

TampaBay

For sure!  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 03, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
Indeed !

Anyway I don't think the Queen wears paste (unlike QA and Diana that readily did). I am sure she had quite enough real baubles.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on June 04, 2007, 06:19:12 AM
Somebody please remind me of the name of the ruby and diamond tiara H.M. is seen wearing in the 'flipped' photo. Thank you.

R.I.

The Burmese Ruby Tiara
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 04, 2007, 07:51:54 PM
Yes the rubies ARE Burmese.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on June 05, 2007, 03:14:34 PM
Thank the gods that watch over Vogue that the queen is dressing with so much more panache the last three to four years.
TampaBay

Speaking of, I purchased the magazine and the U.S. cover does not have her on it. However, the pictures were both full page and glorious!! A very flattering article accompanied the photos! It's quite a treat!

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 05, 2007, 07:26:23 PM
The photos are glorious !  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on June 05, 2007, 07:39:58 PM
The choice of jewels coordinated beautifully with her dress and were very appropriate for the occasion!

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 05, 2007, 08:28:20 PM
I wonder who chose & co-ordinate them ? Now that Bobo MacDonald is gone... ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Mary R. on June 05, 2007, 08:55:15 PM
Good question! I wonder if members of her staff worked together with members of the photographers team to ensure what lighting would work best with what dress etc. Anyone have ideas? ???

Mary R.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 06, 2007, 12:00:32 AM
I think it is a team effort, although The Queen is now confident to put her own two sents in.  ;)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ChristineM on June 06, 2007, 04:37:30 AM
I am trying to remember the name of the Queen's dresser.

She is relatively young - about 40 - so, much younger than HM

She started working at Buckingham Palace as a housemaid and progressed up the ranks to become the Queen's personal dresser.   Npw, she is much more.   Everybody in the family and at Court know that this lady is the Queen's best friend and closest confidante.   Anywhere the Queen goes, she goes.   As I recall, she is from very humble origins.   She is low profile and, obviously totally dependable, reliable, trustworthy and utterly honest.   It is said she is like the Queen's right hand, they adore and trust each other and operate on the same wave length.

Given the rollercoaster ride the Queen has had in recent years within her own family, this must be both wonderful and humbling at the same time.

tsaria
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 06, 2007, 05:14:00 AM
Seemed like an interesting personality.  ???
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: ashdean on June 06, 2007, 01:07:20 PM
Really?  I much prefer the Indian ruby tiara, the lines seem more graceful and flowing, a very elegant jewel IMO.
I always hear Handel playing in the background whenever I see the newer one - still, the rubies are a wonderful colour and HM seems to like it well enough.  Who am I to argue?


I have to agree with that.  The Oriental Circlet has a lovely design, as emeraldeyes suggests, very graceful and flowing, although the rubies are a little on the small side.  I'm surprised the this piece has yet to appear on Camilla's head......or has it?

The Queen's modern ruby tiara is a lovely piece; I had never really thought of it in terms of 'fireworks' but that is a lovely allusion.  I'm not a big fan of the Queen's modern tiaras and this is not really to my taste (being an antique, I have a leaning towarsd the antique!) but the ruby and diamond content is high and the Queen wears it often, so she must be fond of it........
As the Indian ruby tiara is crown jewels it is not likely to be worn by Camilla till Charles is king...The queen has worn it at least once (in Malta) .
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on June 27, 2007, 11:14:58 PM
I hadn't realized how large this thread was getting. I've split the topic into Part 6. I moved the last several pages, with the most current topics, into the new thread so they can be discussed there.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: carl fraley on October 18, 2009, 04:50:41 AM
ok it really bites that the earlier threads were deleted :( .......  I know the topic i'm looking for was on them but

1.) the Dagmar necklace is part of HM personal Collection ??  and not part of the Crown Collection?

2.) anyone have any pictures of HM Queen Alexandra Wedding Parue that was give to her by HM King Edward VII?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on October 18, 2009, 09:53:37 AM
http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/queen-alexandra/alexandra-dagmar-necklace.htm

I suppose that the Dagmar necklace is part of HM private collection. as I remember Alix died without a last will, and QM "sorted" as part of George V "items connected with the crown" (wedding, anniversary presents and so on.....)

May someone has a list of Crown Jewellery (QV Collet necklace and earrings, the ruby set...)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2009, 12:39:59 PM
The Dagmar necklace was part of Alexandra's dowry. It was her most brilliant piece of jewelry she brought to England from her native Denmark.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on October 18, 2009, 01:44:13 PM
That's true. Her father ordered it for his daughters.
the pearls are so large and supreme, that they were exhibited at the Crystal Palace
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2009, 02:10:08 PM
Not true. The Dagmar necklace was once on show in the Crystal Palace. The Dagmar cross itself was a present from her father. The elberate necklace was a gift from the king (King Frederick VII )or the nation to Alexandra.
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on October 18, 2009, 04:54:34 PM
sorry I was not already born during this exhibition.. may a fault of L. Field I KNOW its full of mistakes..... and if her father Christian 9 gave her the cross pendant - so one mystery is may dissolved about the MF's wedding present....
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: carl fraley on October 18, 2009, 11:59:22 PM
http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/queen-alexandra/alexandra-dagmar-necklace.htm

I suppose that the Dagmar necklace is part of HM private collection. as I remember Alix died without a last will, and QM "sorted" as part of George V "items connected with the crown" (wedding, anniversary presents and so on.....)

May someone has a list of Crown Jewellery (QV Collet necklace and earrings, the ruby set...)



anyone ever see the Entire Pearl Parure being "aired out" Is it still in HM personal Collection?  Is the Tiara still together? I don't recall seeing it  Since QA?? ANyone Else?
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: Alexander1917 on October 19, 2009, 10:33:13 AM
http://www.pricescope.com/idealbb/files/wedpres.JPG
if you mean this, the brooch was , when I remember right last seen in the 1980's, and the necklace was often worn by Queen Mother (should after her death return to HM)
Title: Re: Windsor Jewels Part 5
Post by: grandduchessella on October 19, 2009, 02:51:46 PM
We are all the way up to a Part 7 which was started some time ago and the discussion should continue on that one.

The link:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10424.0