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Title: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 05, 2004, 05:05:26 PM
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HIH mme the grand duchess Konstantin the elder of Russia
        Aleksandra Iosifovna
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Lisa on October 07, 2004, 07:34:28 AM
In mourning, 1892
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/08fe3fcc.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Martyn on October 07, 2004, 07:41:47 AM
Brian, that is a great picture of AI kneeling on the prie-dieu.  What better way to show off one's bustle?!
That is a wonderful outfit that she is wearing.  I have yet to see a photo of her where she looked anything less than elegant; these 1870's fashions are hard to wear and don't look good on everyone (as we have seen elsewhere) - AI looks very much as though she is wearing the dress and not the other way round, as is often the case.
Brian, is that a Winterhalter portrait of her?  Also, that first picture of her in court dress is quite wonderful.  Do you know what the stones are in her necklace, earrings and brooches?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 07, 2004, 10:44:36 AM
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Also, that first picture of her in court dress is quite wonderful.  Do you know what the stones are in her necklace, earrings and brooches?



i don't know about the first one (i think they might be sapphires, but who knows?)..... if you mean the lower one, vincent meylan states in his book QUEEN'S JEWELS:
"the old grand duchess Alexandra" was "covered emeralds and diamonds".  

since there wasn't a reference section to speak of, i've no idea where he got his info.   but it seems likely, since her daughter, queen Olga, had a very nice collection of emeralds that look awfully similar (some of which are still in the posession of the Greek royal family).




Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on October 07, 2004, 10:51:19 AM
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Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Martyn on October 07, 2004, 11:02:26 AM
Sorry Brian, I meant the first photo, the half length shot.  I have seen various descriptions of her jewellery for the Coronation (the second photo), some of which say that, excepting the tiara which was composed of diamonds, the principal stones of the rest of her jewellery were either sapphires or emeralds; no one seems to be quite sure which.
You are right about Olga's jewels and we have discussed those elsewhere; her emeralds were legendary.  I would have thought that it might have been sensible for her jewels to be comprised of different stones to that of AI in order to avoid comparison.  However it is more than likely that AI had several major parures of different stones, as did Miechen, Maria Alexandrovna and others.
In the half length, the stones look very dark, which might lead one to suppose that they were sapphires.  Sapphires, I think, would have been more interesting with her silver Coronation court dress as well.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 07, 2004, 11:23:05 AM
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How exactly is she related to NAOTMAA, or at least OTMAA?


a cousin by marriage.    she was born HH the princess Alexandra of Saxe-Altenburg.     she married Konstantin Nikolaevich, a brother of Aleksandr II.    she was henceforth known as Aleksandra Iosifovna; she was also referred to as the grand duchess Konstantin.    

her son, Konstantin Konstantinovich, married her relative (a niece, i think) princess Elisabeth of Saxe-Altenburg (who took the name Elizaveta Mavrikievna) was also referred to as the grand duchess Konstantin....so Aleksandra Iosifovna was referred to as the grand duchess Konstantin the elder, so as to differentiate her from her daughter-in-law.


NIKOLAI I[/i]
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|                      ALEKSANDR III ALEKSANDROVICH
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|                                      NIKOLAI II ALEKSANDROVICH
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               m. Alexandra of Saxe-Altenburg
                 (aka: Aleksandra Iosifovna)



i hope that helps.  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Jane on October 07, 2004, 01:05:52 PM
Michelle,

Aleksandra Iosifovna was a fascinating figure (like so many in her branch of the family).  After her marriage to Konstantin Nikolaievich (m. 1848, I think), she was initially seen as a bit flighty and a bit of a prankster, but eventually she grew into one of the most senior, respected, and dutiful members of the dynasty.  She and her husband, the old Admiral-General, raised their children in a very artistic, musical houselhold.  As noted, one of her sons was the famous "KR," and he clearly not only continued this trend, but perfected it.

Her oldest son, Nicholas Konstantinovich, was exiled after stealing certain jewels belonging to his mother and showering them on, shall we say, ladies not of the same social caliber as he.  For this "insanity" (amongst others) he was officially stripped of all rank, his name was removed from the rolls of the family, and he became a non-person, in the eyes of the Imperial family.  He died in Tashkent in 1918, after a colorful life involving romantic scandals, policemen's daughters, and two sons (in fact his granddaughter remained alive in Russia until 1998, I believe it was, as a famous motorcyclist and semi-KGB agent).

I hope that these photos will spark your interest in the Konstantinovichi.   :) They really are so interesting, I find them the most intriguing branch of Romanovs.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 07, 2004, 02:23:59 PM
A couple of points of clarification:

AI was not a cousin of OTMAA's. As Alexander II's sister in law, she was their several times great aunt. She was an aunt to Alexander II's children, and was a great aunt to Nicholas II, so I believe a great-great aunt to OTMAA. Not a cousin. (as I am not a geneologist, I may or may not have the number of greats correct).

Second, Nikolai Konstantinovich was exiled to Tashkent. He was not stripped of his rank, nor of his income. I have seen no proof that he was removed from the list of dynasts. If there is such proof, I would be interested in seeing it.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Jane on October 07, 2004, 02:59:30 PM
OK, Lisa.  I just read it this weekend, so I'll do what I can to cough up the cite for you.  Perhaps the author was speaking with an overly dramatic tone, but that's what she said.  I'll report back.  And if I misquoted, well, then I'll still report back.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Michelle on October 07, 2004, 03:49:32 PM
So AI was related by  blood to OTMAA?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Jane on October 07, 2004, 04:40:59 PM
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So AI was related by  blood to OTMAA?


Actually I think still think it's by marriage, but with the labrynthine and convoluted web of blood relationships between royal personages, who knows?  I'll leave that to the genealogists.

Besides, whether by marriage or by blood, it's all family, isn't it?  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Jane on October 08, 2004, 11:09:15 AM
OK, I found the cite we were talking about earlier.  Charlotte Zeepvat, The Camera and the Tsars, page 105.

For those who do not have the book, here is the paragraph, in full:

One of the first to rebel was Nikolai Konstantinovich.  Ignoring his mother's attempts to find him a suitable bride, Nikolai lavished his fortune on his mistress and his art collection.  By 1874 he was stealing from the family: when this emerged he was declared insane, stripped of his rank and placed under supervision--but wherever he was taken, trouble followed.  In 1874 and in 1876 a woman who should not have even come near him became pregnant by him; in 1878, in Orenburg, he married another woman in secret, and all the time he preached revolution.  Officially he ceased to exist and, in the summer of 1881, Alexander III sent him into exile in Tashkent.  In 1895, though still living with his wife, he bought a sixteen-year-old Cossack girl and started a family with her,  In 1900 he contracted a bigamous marriage with a schoolgirl which was quickly annulled.  Visiting him in 1904, his sister Olga said 'he has completely lost any moral sense of what can be done and what can be demanded.' But there was another side to Nikolai.  He took a serious interest in Central Asia, organising scientific expeditions and publishing his findings.  In Tashkent he launched irrigation schemes and other beneficial projects.  He welcomed the Revolution, and when he died of pulmonary disease in April 1918, local Bolsheviks arranged a grand funeral for him in Tashkent Cathedral.

Whew!  A lot of typing.  Reviewing my post, I will admit that Zeepvat did not say N.K.'s name was removed from the rolls of the family, that was my take on it; but she does say he was stripped of his rank and officially ceased to exist.  Perhaps I am just taking too literal a reading of her?

Regardless, he certainly seems to have been one of the more colorful Konstantinovichi.

Best,

Jane
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 08, 2004, 12:14:48 PM
Jane - I am in basic agreement with your analysis.

I think right after the theft that there was a sense of NK's "non personhood" which I don't believe was formalized in any way because of course the family would not have wanted gossip. From what I understand, NK lived a relatively happy life in exile in Tashkent.

Nicholas retained his grand ducal rank and income. His marriage to N. Dryer was recognized as a morganatic one and his children styled as Princes Iskander.

I also agree there was a chance his mother was related to OTMAA, but due to her marriage, she was certainly family to them. I don't understand some people's concern with a blood tie, but only because ultimtately, we are all related by blood - we are all cousins.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 08, 2004, 11:54:30 PM
Martyn wrote:
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Also, that first picture of her in court dress is quite wonderful.  Do you know what the stones are in her necklace, earrings and brooches?


well, first i quoted from from mr. meylan's book QUEEN'S JEWELS, in which he states they were emeralds.....  but i still had thought they were sapphires.   now i know why... in charlotte zeepvat's book ROMANOV AUTUMN, she states:
"But even in old age alexandra was magnificent.  at the 1896 coronation 'All eyes were upon her, as she stood in the front row of princesses in her court dress of solid cloth of silver, with a magnifient diamond tiara and a parure of sapphires three inches in diameter."  
  ms. zeepvat lists Buxhoeveden, BEFORE THE STORM p. 153 as her source for the information/passage.    i, personally tend to believe
ms. zeepvat's version (she, at least, referenced an eyewitness.  and with no bibliography or reference list or chapter notes, i'd consider the info in mr. meylan's book suspect....or at least in need of verification.)

i realize i've just contradicted myself having said in a prior post that i thought emeralds were likely when seen in relation to her daughter, queen olga of the hellenes, collection.    so, now, i have to say:
i have NO idea!  ;D

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Greg_King on October 09, 2004, 01:02:08 AM
Actually Buxhoeveden was not at the coronation in 1896.  The account in "Before the Storm" is second-hand, as told to Sophie by her father.

Greg King
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 09, 2004, 01:36:06 AM
Brian - I do love Charlotte Z's writing, but in this case I think her source is not the most reliable or necessarily the best. NK was emphatically not "striken from the rolls" this is at best an over dramatization of a family black sheep situation.

Nikolai K was never stripped of his grand ducal rank. He was always an HIH. It's not a matter of believing - this isn't a seance <g> - there is simply no evidence to support the "striken from the rolls" statement. As a Russian Grand Duke, Nikolai received payments from the Treasury. His morganatic marriage was recognized by the Tsar and his legitimate children made part of the Hereditary Nobility by Imperial Ukase,

He was, of course, a black sheep, so he was not welcome to be anywhere but Tashkent.

I don't know why writers have overstated the situation with Nikolai K., but I suppose it makes for a better story that way.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 09, 2004, 03:03:16 AM
i removed the post because, once again, the information i had (which i thought was correct) wasn't correct.   (i'm wondering if i should just refrain from posting anything but pictures).
but i'd MUCH rather know the accurate information.   so thanks very much for the corrections :)

anyway,
i stand corrected.    
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 09, 2004, 11:50:07 AM
Brian: there is a great deal of incorrect information out there about the Romanovs. I have quoted many writers, for example, who say that Nikolai K was murderded by the Bolsheviks. I did this on a royalty news group and a writer was kind enough to send me source materials that showed he died of pneumonia.

At first I was embarrassed, but I was assured that all of us make mistakes. I still make mistakes. Or, there may be material about which I know nothing. That's why I asked about the source. Because maybe things aren't how I think they are.

I most definitely encourage you to continue posting, and more than pictures, because it's the only way we can all learn. I am defimitely interested in learning something new today - and I hope, so are you!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on October 09, 2004, 12:27:57 PM
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i removed the post because, once again, the information i had (which i thought was correct) wasn't correct.   (i'm wondering if i should just refrain from posting anything but pictures).
but i'd MUCH rather know the accurate information.   so thanks very much for the corrections :)

anyway,
i stand corrected.    


Please keeping posting more than pictures (though those are great!). I've been corrected a ton of times--if people didn't correct our mistakes we wouldn't ever know the real answers. (And I've had to remove a couple of embarassingly wrong posts before too!)  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Martyn on October 15, 2004, 04:58:03 PM
Brian thank you so much for your information about the jewels; I tend to favour the idea that they were sapphires.  Believe me as well, some days I think that my middle name is 'wrong' and that I have it tattooed on my forehead - and not just when I am posting here.
The discussion is the thing and your posts and pictures are really interesting.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on October 21, 2004, 11:53:14 PM
While my computer time is limited until I heal up, I've at least had time to read some of my royal books. I came across this interesting passage from QV to Vicky 6 Nov 1861 (just a month before Albert died):
'Tomorrow evening before dinner we expect the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess Constantine and their little girl--who stay till Saturday 9th.' I'm presuming she's referring to Olga here. On Nov 15, she writes (and I'd never heard this before): 'I have already told you I like 'Sanny' [GDss Alexandra] very much; I think her very sensible, speaking so sensibly about the injudicious education of the Russian Princes and of the Russian mode of life and the perpetual bustle which she hates--and says kills her. She says she was so happy here. I found her a very pleasant companion and very gemutlich and friendly--and Papa also likes her very much. And the child [Olga] is a great darling and excessively clever. He [Contantine] was very amiable too.' I love how QV dismisses him with a toss-off line! It figures she likes AI if they could Russia-bash togteher.  :) Interestingly, a memoir (by whom I can't remember) writes of AI as a young woman as being rather flighty and superficial.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 22, 2004, 01:23:00 AM

grandduchessella --
the first thing i have to ask is what are you "healing up" from?   i hope all is well, regardless....(and nothing too serious or painful, i hope).   but i won't be offended if you choose not to say, especially since you don't know me from adam AND this is a public forum,
in any case, i wish you well & a swift "heal-up" ;)


as for AI... taking the various & varied accounts of her into consideration, she seems to have had, within her personality, opposite extremes (like most of us).   serious yet flighty; frivolous yet relatively concsious of the world in which she lived; you get the idea.    iin other words, it's very possible all of the accounts are true (or, at least, essentially true).    speaking for myself, i can guarantee that if you were to poll 20 people i know well, you'd probably get, at least, 15 EXTREMELY different accounts of what i'm like (it's likely that 5 or so would be somewhat similar in their essential details).    

she seems to have been one of the more complicated members of the imperial family.  

my FAVORITE account of her is from charlotte z's ROMANOV AUTUMN, and paints very vivid picture indeed.

AI's husband, the gd Konstantin had suffered a series of strokes and was left unable to communicate and unable to care for himself.
   "Dependent now, the grand prince (konstantin) was cared for by his wife, who gained a sort of revenge for his unfaithfulness."    AI kept him away from his mistress & his children by her, and she had forbid anyone from helping him to get there. (his mistress & their children lived near to pavlovsk in a house he'd bought for them.).
    one day, after yet another thwarted attempt to visit his mistress, "the grand prince grabbed his wife's hair and beat her with his stick before anyone could intervene.  it must have been a miserable situation for them both."

that image is just SO vivid (to me, anyway).    i love it.     sort of like being fascinated by a car accident, y'know?    ;D
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: pushkina on October 22, 2004, 05:21:42 AM
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grandduchessella --
the first thing i have to ask is what are you "healing up" from?   i hope all is well, regardless....(and nothing too serious or painful, i hope).   but i won't be offended if you choose not to say, especially since you don't know me from adam AND this is a public forum,
in any case, i wish you well & a swift "heal-up" ;)



from me too!


as for AI... taking the various & varied accounts of her into consideration, she seems to have had, within her personality, opposite extremes (like most of us).   serious yet flighty; frivolous yet relatively concsious of the world in which she lived; you get the idea.    iin other words, it's very possible all of the accounts are true (or, at least, essentially true).    speaking for myself, i can guarantee that if you were to poll 20 people i know well, you'd probably get, at least, 15 EXTREMELY different accounts of what i'm like (it's likely that 5 or so would be somewhat similar in their essential details).    

she seems to have been one of the more complicated members of the imperial family.  

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my FAVORITE account of her is from charlotte z's ROMANOV AUTUMN, and paints very vivid picture indeed. <snip>

     one day, after yet another thwarted attempt to visit his mistress, "the grand prince grabbed his wife's hair and beat her with his stick before anyone could intervene.  it must have been a miserable situation for them both."

that image is just SO vivid (to me, anyway).    i love it.     sort of like being fascinated by a car accident, y'know?    ;D


that magnificent woman beaten with a stick?  so very hard to believe...and yet, how many women who later grow into great self-respect and gravity, are abused by lesser husbands.

wow.  i still can't imagine anyone even crossing her will, much less beating her with a stick!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 22, 2004, 08:10:01 AM
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that magnificent woman beaten with a stick?  so very hard to believe...and yet, how many women who later grow into great self-respect and gravity, are abused by lesser husbands.
 
wow.  i still can't imagine anyone even crossing her will, much less beating her with a stick!



i agree, but you must remember to keep the situation in context:  a very imperious man (and a romanov to-boot!) used to having his wishes respected, and an equally imperious woman, also used to getting her way, but with the added aspect of resentment on account of her husband's extra-marital affairs.   now add to that mixture these extra ingredients:

---they had, for-all-intents-&-purposes, been living seperate lives....he spent most of his time with his mistress/es, and she had retreated into her children & society.   she was (probably & very naturally) hurt & resentful, which probably grew over time.

---that imperious man, used to getting his way, was left dependent upon others for everything.  once he was incapacitated by his strokes, AI stepped-in to care for her husband...in all likelihood, because it was expected of her; it was, very simply, what a wife did under those circumstances.    prior to his strokes, he had installed his secondary family in house on the pavlovsk estate.   AI could do nothing about it; she could complain to everyone, but ultimately, Konstantin was free to whatever he wished, and AI, as his wife, was expected to respect his decision & wishes and bow to her husband's will.     hence, their seperate lives.    
       one of the effects from the strokes left him unable to communicate with those around him, at least in the verbal sense;  so, from that point on, AI was pretty-much in charge;  she gave the orders.    eventually, i'm sure, he learned how to make himself understood to a certain extent.    
        another result of the strokes was impaired mobility.   he could, eventually, move around with the help of a walking-stick or something similar....but, for the most part, he still had to use a bathchair (the ancestor of the wheelchair), which required someone else to push it (they were way too big to be propelled by the user).   therefore, he could not go anywhere, at all[/i], without someone's help.    
         now imagine yourself in his cicumstances, essentially helpless, with little choice but to be dependent on a person that you have caused pain, resentment & humiliation.    all the while knowing that someone who still loves you is very, VERY close-at-hand, but everyone around you has been expressly forbidden to help you achieve that which want more than anything else.     mind you, AI's behavior is not unexpected.   i think the average person would not be able to resist the temptation of indulging in a weeee bit of revenge, under those circumstances.

        i'd imagine konstantin's frustration was maddening.    and AI's resentment must have been bordering on hate after a while... the strictures of society, as well as the general rules of propriety, required that she care for a man who not only had a second family, but practically flaunted the fact.    he compounded her humiliation by moving them onto the property that he shared with her (AI) & their own children (the Konstantinovichii).  

i can see both sides & i can understand both sides....it must have been awful for them both.      i think it's plausible that Konstantin's frustration & rage built-up until it blew.    think about it, a basically paralyzed man reaching out across the vast expanse of pain to grab a woman he once loved by her hair; then that basically paralyzed man found the strength (AND muscle-control) to wield his walking stick
and beat her about the head & shoulders.

THAT is rage.    but AI can't really be blamed for trying to make herself feel a bit better by serving-up a little spite.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: pushkina on October 22, 2004, 09:52:41 AM
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i can see both sides & i can understand both sides....it must have been awful for them both.      i think it's plausible that Konstantin's frustration & rage built-up until it blew.    think about it, a basically paralyzed man reaching out across the vast expanse of pain to grab a woman he once loved by her hair; then that basically paralyzed man found the strength (AND muscle-control) to wield his walking stick
and beat her about the head & shoulders.

THAT is rage.    but AI can't really be blamed for trying to make herself feel a bit better by serving-up a little spite.



you are absolutely right.  i get it.   but still,   that great picture of her in her coronation finery,  drenched in dignity, what a great teaching tool for those who work with battered women.  the message would/could be that great dignity (and peace of self) is possible even after an  attack by someone so close.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Martyn on October 22, 2004, 11:42:26 AM
Brian, you have clarified that episode very well.  I vividly remember reading that passage in 'Romanov Autumn' and almost finding it comical the way in which it was written.
What I should have done is substitute the words 'abused physically' for 'beaten' - 'beaten' somehow conjures up an old fashioned world of folk tale in which it was accepted that a man could beat his wife (and children).  This is not to say that Konstantin thought that he did not have the right to hit his wife; he probably had done so on previous occasions but not in front of the servants, as in this instance.
Your telling of this situation Brian, actually brought home that this was a violent attack, in public, and explained all the pain, humiliation and rage involved - much better than Charlotte Zeepvatt does in this instance.
GDElla, I hope that your arm gets better soon (love the idea of making hubby type - my other half can't spell, let alone type!)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 22, 2004, 01:15:20 PM
AI may have been a mass of contradictions (but then, who isn't?), but i think it says much about her inner-strength that, in spite of everything, she never lost her dignity,...nor did she lose the regal bearing that she'd always had.   regardless of the flaws within her personality & even in her character, she never seems to have lost her sense of self, and likewise, never forgot her place within the world occupied....she knew she was important.   she was always aware that she had duties; that each of the roles she played required different things of her.    mother, daughter, wife, sister, grandmother, Romanov grand duchess.... each role she occupiedhad it's own requirements & she knew what they were.     i bet that's part of what helped her get through the various trials that Life placed in her way.   doing right by the various roles she played may have been sort of like the glue that helped keep her together...(i'm guessing, of course.  i could be completely mistaken about her personality, character etc.   she reminds me of my great grandmother, so i guess i'm projecting)...       i think the fact that the younger generations continued to refer to her with a certain sense of awe is very telling.    


i've said it before, and i'll say it again, :), AI is probably my favorite member of the IF.    she's both a flawed human-being AND a perfect example of the role she played as well as being a role-model for those playing similar parts.

she's a most fascinating personality.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Martyn on October 23, 2004, 10:55:27 AM
Brian I share your enthusiasm for AI; I think that she was a complex woman who had an excellent grasp of her place in the scheme of things.
That amazing photo from the Coronation in which she sits at the centre of the Grand Duchesses really defines her role in the history of the Romanovs - the ultimate Grand Duchess, loved, respected and admired.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on November 15, 2004, 07:32:46 PM
There's a photo of AI wearing the emeralds that you later see on Queen Olga and her Greek descendants. I think they're also the ones AI wore to the coronation. (Also pictures of them--it's a 5 generation thing). The site's in German but I'd never seen the AI photo before--she's middle-aged here I believe.

http://www.royal-magazin.de/griechenland/greece-emeralds-1.htm
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on March 17, 2005, 12:27:18 AM
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With Duchess Vera of Wurttemberg, one of Vera's granddaughters (they were twins) and her husband.


wasn't it Vera's daughters that were twins (Elsa & ...?)(Olga, correct?)?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on March 17, 2005, 12:41:49 AM


this has got to be one of the most poignant images i've seen of any member of the imperial family.    she appears to be in the same sort of condition her unfortunate husband found himself in how ever many years earlier; and as much as i admire her & as "fond" of her as i am,
i hope she found herself in better (and more caring) hands than he did.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Marc on March 17, 2005, 05:20:43 AM
This is just so great!I think this woman deserves to be known much more about her!Does anyone have pictures or portraits of Grand Duchess Vera(Wuerttemberg)?I would also like to see her better since her pictures are very rare on the web...Thanks-this is just great job!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2005, 07:52:05 AM
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wasn't it Vera's daughters that were twins (Elsa & ...?)(Olga, correct?)?


Yes you are correct--I mistyped.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2005, 07:54:22 AM
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Is this a mourning version of the court gown?


I don't think so--I think it's just a really voluminous gown with big sleeves. The material doesn't seem like that of the court dress--it seems plainer. Also the simple hairstyle lends itself to regular dress.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Kostya on March 17, 2005, 09:18:02 AM
Sorry for asking but who is Aleksandra Iosifovna?  please forgive me in asking but the Romanov's are quite a few so knowing all of them is quite a lot of information.

The pictures are exquisite!  Can i also get information, a biography, on her?

Thank you
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Eurohistory on March 17, 2005, 09:50:34 AM
She was born a Princess of Saxe-Altenburg and married Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaievich.  Among her children were Queen Olga of Greece, Duchess Vera of Württemberg and Grand Duke Konstantin Konstantinovich.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2005, 10:07:55 AM
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Sorry for asking but who is Aleksandra Iosifovna?  please forgive me in asking but the Romanov's are quite a few so knowing all of them is quite a lot of information.

Thank you


The mother of your avatar.  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: ajv123ajv on March 17, 2005, 10:28:16 AM
Her eldest son Nikolai was the black sheep of the Romanov family and was sent into exile for theft - more info is shown on the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Romanov
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Marlene on March 17, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
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Her eldest son Nikolai was the black sheep of the Romanov family and was sent into exile for theft - more info is shown on the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Romanov


Not a very good sketch (let alone edited).  For example, Fanny Lear was the nom de Plume for Harriet Blackford -
Prince Michael of Greece's new book is about Nicholas, written in a fictional style (more like a bodice-ripper). There is also a rather interesting little book The Scandalous Mrs. Blackford.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Marc on March 17, 2005, 10:40:26 AM
GDElla,I didn't even see the little mistake about Wurttemberg or Wuerttember,so...I didn't have any purpose of correcting you!I often write Wurttemberg myself because it's easier! And I would really like to see Vera's portrait,but...  :(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Kostya on March 17, 2005, 11:11:00 AM
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The mother of your avatar.  :)


granduchessella i like that!  thanks
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2005, 02:48:32 PM
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GDElla,I didn't even see the little mistake about Wurttemberg or Wuerttember,so...I didn't have any purpose of correcting you!I often write Wurttemberg myself because it's easier! And I would really like to see Vera's portrait,but...  :(


Oh I didn't think you were correcting me--I was referring to brnbg since I had written her granddaughters rather than daughters.  :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Kostya on March 17, 2005, 06:40:45 PM
Are there pictures of Alexandra with her children both when they were young and later in life?

Are there pictures of her and K.R. Olga of Greece and hher other children and are there pictures of her witht he Imperial Family with Nicholas II and his family or with Alexander II and III and their families?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2005, 06:45:56 PM
There are some scattered around the Forum. I think there are some good ones in the Olga of Greece thread and Queen Olga of the Hellenes.

Here are some from one of those threads all courtesy of Svetabel

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And what about a pic below?  No retouche! ;) Alexandra Iosifovna,KR and Olga - from their family album. No official serious faces! Just mother and loving children.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/KRfamily/olgamotnerkr.jpg)


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Another wonderful picture - Olga with her mother.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/about1867.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2005, 06:59:59 PM
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 The photo was taken in the end of 1880s : Queen Olga with her mother and 2 daughters,Alexandra and Marie.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/allinwhite.jpg)
 


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I always thought this photo very sad one. One can see 5 generations: Alexandra Iosifovna,Queen Olga,her grandd-r Maria Pavlovna,baby Lennart on AI's lap and a portrait of Alexandra Georgievna in Maria's hands...
Old Alexandra Iosifovna looks completely out of this world,she definitely had became senile...(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/allinwhite2.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on March 18, 2005, 08:01:02 AM
Alexandra's daughters - Vera and Olga

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/OV.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on March 18, 2005, 08:02:49 AM
Vera Konstantinovna (daughter of Alexandra) with her 1st born - son (he died in infancy)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/DuchessVera_son.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on March 18, 2005, 08:04:03 AM
Another one of Vera

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/DuchessVera_.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Sarai on March 18, 2005, 12:57:56 PM
In looking at all these great pictures, it seems to me that Vera resembled her mother more, with a longer type of face, while Olga with her rounder (and, IMO, prettier) face I suppose took after her father.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on March 18, 2005, 02:50:30 PM
To everyone who has posted these lovely photos, Thank you so much.  They are all amazing and many are new to me. :o

I really love seeing pictures of AI and KN with their children. They did seem to have a close knit family with a wonderful bond.

Also I espesially love seeing pictures of Vera as a young girl and women as they are a little bit less common then those of her elder sister. So thank you sooo much Sveta  ;D. In many family photos she is not present as she spent alot of time away from her parents and siblings as a young girl and teenager. Which Russian aunt was it that she stayed with for periods of time as a girl? I cant seem to remeber. I think she was quite pretty in youth, although she could not top the looks of Olga (IMO). She had her fathers eyes I think, like her brother Konstantin and her mothers face shape and structure. I do think that olga looked VERY much like her mother as well.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 18, 2005, 04:21:36 PM
Vera lived a good part of her life with her childless aunt Olga Nicolaievna, Queen of Wurttemburg. Vera then married a Wurtt. herself.

Vera & Olga
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/vera20kon20olg20wurtt.jpg) (from Camera and the Tsars)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 18, 2005, 04:26:46 PM
AI with her children
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/olga20fam1.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/alexjosu1.jpg)

and like the photo of AI & Olga posted earlier, dressed similarly
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/Grand20Duchess20Olga20with20her20mother20Grand20Duchess20Alexandra20Josifovna20and20brother.jpg)

with NK (?) and Vera
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/alkids1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/File0629b.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 18, 2005, 04:28:39 PM
AI

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/222004.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/grand20duchess20constantine.jpg)

c.1874
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/alexandra20jos.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 18, 2005, 04:30:38 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/54_3.jpg)

this looks like the Winterhalter portrait
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/GrandDuchessConstantine.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/2.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on March 18, 2005, 04:35:06 PM
Vera K

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/01310225.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/ebay3529.jpg)

with her daughters & grandchildren:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/d5995.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/d6045VERACONSTANTINOVNACHILDREN.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Marc on March 18, 2005, 06:15:16 PM
This is just great!No words  :o
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on March 18, 2005, 06:30:30 PM
Thanks for those images of Vera ella. The etching (or drawing?) is just lovely.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: kmerov on March 19, 2005, 10:29:55 AM
Thanks for posting these pictures. Just great to see them all!
If I may ask...Does anyone have some pictures of AI with her youngest son, GD Vjacheslav?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on March 21, 2005, 01:01:30 PM
Sveta were did you see that was Viacheslav? I always thought it was one of the older boys. But I dont know for sure.

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AI with her children
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/File0629b.jpg)


This is also little Viacheslav.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: kmerov on March 21, 2005, 02:16:35 PM
Thank you both very much. :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on March 22, 2005, 10:41:59 AM
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Sveta were did you see that was Viacheslav?


In the new book on GD KN "Exclusive Photoalbum". I'll check.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on March 23, 2005, 05:09:11 AM
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this looks like the Winterhalter portrait
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/GrandDuchessConstantine.jpg)



It is the Winterhalter's portrait. The copy of it is in the Gatchinskiy Palace. I saw it some weeks ago and was much impressed! :o
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Grand Duke on April 17, 2005, 06:06:49 PM
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/wettin/saxealtenburg/1830%20Alexandra.JPG)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on May 05, 2005, 09:46:02 AM
Just found one more photo of GD AI

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/GDA.jpg)

Again portraits behind her.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Iskenderbey on May 05, 2005, 11:04:33 AM
I must say, I think her granddaughter Marie of Greece, and her grandson, George of Greece, bear a striking resemblance to their grandmother, Alexandra Iosifovna.

Regards
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: thijs on May 06, 2005, 02:30:40 PM
A question about the relatives of AI. Does anybody knows how her relations were with her sisters  Sachsen Altenburg. There doesn t seem much information about how they stood to each other. Was she fond of her sisters (grand duchess oldenburg, marie queen of hanover and her misterious sister Therese who never married (never seen anything about her). Would be interested if some of you guys would like to share his or hers knowledge about this item. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Marc on May 06, 2005, 08:49:45 PM
Not a very good one of Princess Therese von sachsen-Altenburg,but still...I would also like to see colour portraits of her sisters as well(especially if there is any good colour-not coloured-portrait of Queen Marie von Hannover)!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on May 06, 2005, 09:22:01 PM
So GDss Olga K and her first cousin Ernst August of Hannover married siblings (George I of Greece/William of Denmark and Thyra of Denmark)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: thijs on May 08, 2005, 10:45:56 AM
Hey marc
I have got a picture of her sister elisabeth, the grandduchess of oldenburg and indeed a lovely  coloured photo of queen marie en king georg of hanover
i tried to post them but it did nt work out.
I will try again later this week, hoping to have more time and patience.
By the way great pics above, thanks a lot guys.
Once i know how to post pics i will post some too.
Perhaps someone knows more abot their relationhip. Was AI close to her sisters ? Did she have many contact with them and what nature?
AI resembles indeedmuch like queen marie, though the latter was unhappy, losing her kingdom to Prussia after the war of 1866.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Marc on May 09, 2005, 08:05:12 AM
I hope you will learn how to post them!It's very simple in photobucket!Yet,I thought the same before I learn how to post it!I hope you will post those portraits to us!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Speedycat on July 08, 2005, 09:26:34 PM
Fabulous thread!!  Thanks to everyone for sharing their unique photos.  AI is one of my favorite Imperial ladies.  I'm not quite sure why...maybe it's that hair....those long dark ringlets as a young woman, and then that striking white mass as an older woman.  Maybe it's her strong will and personality.  I just like her ;D

(Edited to remove photo) :-X
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on July 09, 2005, 12:32:40 AM
I had posted in on pg 2 of this thread courtesy of svetabel (she'd posted it on another thread). I only mention this because it's on this thread already and it's really large.  :-/
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Speedycat on July 09, 2005, 09:04:49 AM
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I had posted in on pg 2 of this thread courtesy of svetabel (she'd posted it on another thread). I only mention this because it's on this thread already and it's really large.  :-/


Oops, my apologizes to both you and svetabel.  It must have been in the form of a link, that I was too lazy to open.  How do I go about removing it?


P.S.  Figured it out....it's gone. ;)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: leanora on July 11, 2005, 05:13:04 AM
 ???  ???  ???  ???

These photos of Alexandra Iosifovna are all really ridiculous.. I was amazed by these photos because Alexandra Iosifovna mimics Sissi (the empress of Austria) on many of them....

I had read in "Romanov Autumn" that Alexandra Iosifovna had a passion for Sissi . She would say to everybody, even to the ambassadors, that she looks much alike Sissi... In fact there was no similarity between the beautiful Sissi and the common Alexandra..The empress of Austria was said to be the most beautiful woman in Europe .

If someone has already seen the most famous photos of the empress of Austria, he will laugh (like me) .. Alexandra Iosifovna did exactly the same, particularly for the first and the fifth photo on this topic
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Leopold on September 15, 2005, 07:51:35 AM
Need some biographical details on:

Grandduke Konstantin Nikolaevich (1827-1892),

especially:
his military course of ranks (with dates)
his military functions (with dates)
his orders and decorations (with dates)

Thanks in advance

Leopold
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Kseniya on September 15, 2005, 08:19:09 AM
Konstantin Nikolaevich, Grand Duke of Russia

21 September 1827, Saint Petersburg
29 January 1892, Pavlovsk

Father: Nikolai I Pavlovich, Emperor of Russia
Mother: Alexandra Fyodorovna of Prussia

Spouse: Alexandra Iosifovna of Sachsen-Altenburg, Grand Duchess of Russia (1830-1911)
Married: 11 Sep 1848, Saint Petersburg

Children -

Nikolai Konstantinovich, Grand Duke of Russia (1850-1918 )
Olga Konstantinovna, Queen of the Hellenes (1851-1926)
Vera Konstantinovna, Grand Duchess of Russia (1854-1912)
Konstantin Konstantinovich, Grand Duke of Russia (1858-1915)
Dmitri Konstantinovich, Grand Duke of Russia (1860-1919)
Vyacheslav Konstantinovich, Grand Duke of Russia (1862-1879
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: thijs on September 24, 2005, 12:09:53 PM


king Georg V of Hannover

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/bernogreat/GeorgVExil.jpg)


Queen Marie of Hannover, sister of Alexandra Iosifovna

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/bernogreat/queenmarieofhanover.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Daniela on October 10, 2005, 04:52:41 AM
I'm so fascinated by Alexandra I.. Don't know why, but I find her very interesting.

But, can someone tell, why Constantine started a second family with another women. What went that wrong in their marriage, that he did that. I mean, at start he was so determinate (and probably in love), that he will not marry nobody than Alexandra and after some years another women...
Can someone tell more, please?

Daniela
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: José on January 13, 2006, 02:05:41 PM


What did she die of? Insanity ? I suppose these days one would say perhaps Alzheimer...
Did her husband die the same way ?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on January 13, 2006, 04:41:24 PM
I'm not sure what AI died of--I thought it was basically just old age.

GD Constantine, I believe, had a stroke which left him incapacitated and he died sometime afterward--heart seizure, maybe? I'll have to find my Romanov Autumn, I think it was discussed in there.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: José on January 14, 2006, 11:35:45 AM

i don't know about the first one (i think they might be sapphires, but who knows?)..... if you mean the lower one, vincent meylan states in his book QUEEN'S JEWELS:
"the old grand duchess Alexandra" was "covered emeralds and diamonds".  

I've seen a picture where A.I. is seated on this pose, but she is surrounded by ladies, don't know if relatives or ladies-in-waiting.

Can someone post it ?




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Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: lancashireladandre on January 14, 2006, 03:11:03 PM
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i don't know about the first one (i think they might be sapphires, but who knows?)..... if you mean the lower one, vincent meylan states in his book QUEEN'S JEWELS:
"the old grand duchess Alexandra" was "covered emeralds and diamonds".  

I've seen a picture where A.I. is seated on this pose, but she is surrounded by ladies, don't know if relatives or ladies-in-waiting.

Can someone post it ?
Sorry cannot post the full pic but can tell you that the ladies were Meichen and her daughter Helen (later Princess Nicholas of Greece,thus AI 's grand daughter in law)the Crown Princess of Sweden(later Queen Victoria),the Duchess of Connaught and AI's own daughter Vera (Duchess Eugen of Wurttemburg) with HER twin daughters Elsa & Olga.The youths are all pages.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 19, 2006, 12:22:53 PM
GDss Alexandra Iosifovna in the 1870s.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/ai1870s.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 03:06:13 AM
Her bust

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Pavlovsk/alexiobust.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 20, 2006, 10:03:34 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/5f_3.jpg)

A young Grand Duchess. (c- 1850s-60s?)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/landt019.jpg)

Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna with her oldest daughter Olga, Queen of Greece. (c-1900).

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on February 21, 2006, 02:08:47 AM
Mandie,
could you please tell us from which book is the last pic of Olga and her mother? It seems I saw it in some English book but can't remember in which one...Thanks :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 21, 2006, 03:03:25 PM
Of course dear Sveta ;D,

It from Inheritors of Alexander the Great by G. Nicholas Tantzos.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 19, 2006, 02:16:02 PM
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thank you, Svetabel,
Your photos have been just great.
I am doing a project on the Grand Dukes of Russia.  I am looking for a photo of G. D. Nicholas Konstatinovich, 1850 1918.  He died at Tashkent, where he was exiled.  He is the older bother of KR. Might you have either photo of, or info on the youngest brother Viacheslav, 1862 1870?

I have spent a fascinating time going through your many photos and written information. You are a clever one to have access to these photos.

Signed   HRH


nikolai with his father
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/scan0002.jpg)
Both of Nikolai's parents dotted on him as a child and teenager. Growing up he was adored by his whole family and especially his sister Olga. It must have been hard for them all to come to terms with the adult he became and the path he chose in life.

this one is from the nypl site. I absolutly love it, it is such a nice portrait and so clear.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/nk1865.jpg)

the entire family (sans Vera), including Nikolai, standing in the back. and his younger brother Viacheslav, seated on his fathers lap.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/scan0001.jpg)

and one of young Viacheslav on his own.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/scan0003.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on April 23, 2006, 10:41:01 AM
Back to GD Viacheslav Konstantinovitch. This is the last known photo of him

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/KRfamily/slava.jpg)

Cute boy, isn't he?...

He was very kind boy with a sweet heart, much loved by his family and esp. by his father GD Konstantin N. Slava was very tall (as the most of the Romanovs) and he used to joke that if he would die then his coffin got stuck in the doorway. :( His joke came true...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: joye on May 21, 2006, 02:10:01 AM
Re the Coronation of Tsar Nicholas II, in  1896, I found this pictures elsewhere, and it said that the lady on the extreme right was Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden.  All the others are as stated.  My picture did not say who was seated in front of Alex. Iosifovna.

I was puzzled by my info as there was 1 person left over and not named.  So many thanks for  setting me right.  I wont have nightmares tonight trying to figure out this picture.  I tried to find out more about CP Vicoria of Sweden, but am in the middle of a prject on the Grand Duchesses.

Signed  HRH
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on May 21, 2006, 03:58:54 AM
Quote
Re the Coronation of Tsar Nicholas II, in  1896, I found this pictures elsewhere, and it said that the lady on the extreme right was Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden.  All the others are as stated.  My picture did not say who was seated in front of Alex. Iosifovna.

At the very right is Princess Elena of Saxe-Altenbourg, nee Duchess Elena Georgievna of Mecklenbourg-Strelitz.
In front of GD AI is Princess Elza of Wurttemberg.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on November 01, 2006, 03:12:56 AM
Does anyone know what became of the Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich's children from his liaison with ballerina Anna Kuznetzova? Are the details of their lives (not just the names and dates posted below) known?

I have always wondered if they had any contact with their half-siblings after their father's death. I remember reading that the Grand Duchess Alexandra (the "government issue wife") evicted Anna and her children from their home after the Grand Duke was incapacitated by a stroke. One of the GD's loyal ADC's managed to smuggle Anna and the children into the palace allowing them to saying goodbye to the Grand Duke before his death.

1. Sergey Konstantinovich Kniazev d. young

2. Ismael Konstantinovich Kniazev d. young

3. Maria Konstantinovna Kniazeva b. Dec 8, 1875 d. unknown (m.). Apr 24, 1894 Alexander Pavlovich Erchov b. July 6, 1861, son of Gen. Paul Erchov

4. Anna Konstantinovna Kniazeva b. Mar 16, 1878 St. Petersburg d. Feb 5, 1920 (of typhoid) Ekaterinodar  (m.) Apr 29, 1898 St. Petersburg Nikolai Nikolaevich Lialin b. Aug 15, 1869 d. Feb 14, 1920 (of typhoid) Ekaterinodar, son of Gen. Nikolai Lialin, Military Governor of Helsingfors.

5. Lev Konstantinovich Kniazev  d. in Infancy
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: bell_the_cat on November 01, 2006, 06:44:38 PM
I was wondering the same thing after reading Charlotte Zeepvat's book Romanov Autumn! I guess only the two girls were left at the time of GD Konstantin's death. Zeepvat says the story about him beating his wife with a stick
comes from Prince Christopher of Greece, but surely he (born 1888) was too young to have witnessed this incident personally.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on November 01, 2006, 08:04:06 PM
I've also wondered how accurate the Prince's account of his grandfather was. Surely most of it was second hand  information handed down to him by relatives. That doesn't mean it wasn't true but it was hearsay. I would like to know more about Anna and the two surviving daughters. Anna was apparently a talented mime as a ballerina. She was the illegitimate daughter of a ballerina Tatyana Markianovna Kuznetzova and Vassili Andreevich Karatygin (or Karatyguine) an actor. That's about all I've been able to discover about Anna and the Kniazeva girls. :-[
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on November 02, 2006, 02:54:59 AM
I've discovered a bit more about Anna Kuznetzova's father. According to the following sources: "Russian Theater from the Empire to the Soviets," by Marc Slonim and http://www.abcgallery.com/T/tropinin/tropininbio.html

Vassili Karatyghin (1802-1853) was in his day a famous Russian actor "renowned for his parts in classical plays and in Shakespeare repertoire." He had a well-publicized rivalry with another leading actor of the day Pavel Mochalov. He was said to be tall and handsome, possessing great ability as an actor. He was considered the "King of the Alexandrinsky (Theater)," and supposedly influenced a whole generation of Russian actors. Among his best-known roles were Hamlet, Louis XI, and Leicester in Mary Stuart, Coriolanus, Don Carlos, and Karl Moore in Schiller's The Robbers.

Vassili's brother Peter (1805-1879) was a comedic actor & playwright.

A link to an article about him at wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Karatygin


Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on November 02, 2006, 03:41:55 AM
Vassili was apparently also a playwright. Here is another article about him:

http://www.encspb.ru/en/article.php?kod=2804031152
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 01, 2006, 04:08:52 PM
GDss Alexandra Iosifovna - 2 more pics

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/aidoggy.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/al1890.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: lori_c on February 06, 2007, 12:56:18 PM
Can anyone explain if there were blood ties between Alexandra Iosifovna throught the Saxe Altenburg branch to Ella or Alix?  Sorry if the questions been asked before, but in Camera and the Tsars by Charlotte Zeepvat, two pictures show a striking resemblance to Ella. (IMO).  Any help would be appreciated. :)

Lori
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on December 09, 2007, 11:44:54 AM

Aleksandra Iosifovna & Olga Konstantinovna
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/olgaKonst_aleksIosif_bulastrade.jpg)


Olga Konstantinovna
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/olgaKonst_hellenes_04.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: gogm on April 03, 2008, 02:02:55 PM
At the risk of re-posting, here are some images of Alexandra Iosifovna:


(http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/3126/2544328200094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2544328200094285158uGiuUU)

She looked wonderful in crinolines:
(http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/2710/2244618170094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2244618170094285158HZfSMa)

(http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/4818/2557776450094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2557776450094285158swuNWG)


A spectacular Winterhalter portrait:
(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/30357/2162406870094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2162406870094285158ZjZcdY)

The next three show her wonderful taste in day dress:
(http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/40289/2291129930094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2291129930094285158dGetzF)

(http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/20321/2138959510094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2138959510094285158tqCgok)

(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/20038/2737139540094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2737139540094285158kPDcgS)

(http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/40091/2797757220094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2797757220094285158yNIEbF)

The next three with her daughter, Queen Olga of Greece:
(http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/5634/2540180910094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2540180910094285158NVQGJI)

(http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/40022/2512766120094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2512766120094285158yCGYib)

(http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/41768/2867516630094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2867516630094285158tshSfU)

She's seated at the left in this often-posted photo:
(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/2877/2154064780094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2154064780094285158NLEFAH)

The ones that may not have been posted here before come from Foros Realeza.

 :) :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on May 17, 2008, 11:13:47 PM
Alexandra Iosifovna by Kaulbach
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/853/aibykaulbachuh6.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: lori_c on May 27, 2008, 02:39:55 PM
Was AI a Romanov by blood as well?   I read she was a descendant of Tsar Paul.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on May 27, 2008, 04:18:42 PM
A Wurttemberg cousin of hers married Tsar Paul but I don't think she was a descendant of him.

Interestingly, Queen Mary's father was a first cousin of AI's. (Her mother and Duke Alexander were siblings) I wonder if being 2nd cousins with Queen Olga (they got to know each other at Rumpenheim gatherings, not Romanov ones) helped to influence Queen Olga's good opinion of May which she passed onto George V when he was wondering about marriage.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: gogm on May 28, 2008, 02:45:27 PM
Interesting question. Paul was half-Russian and half-German (Sophie of Anhalt-Zerbst), but not a Romanov. Elizabeth was the last Romanov ruler - ever.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Terence on May 29, 2008, 01:14:06 AM
Can anyone explain if there were blood ties between Alexandra Iosifovna throught the Saxe Altenburg branch to Ella or Alix?  Sorry if the questions been asked before, but in Camera and the Tsars by Charlotte Zeepvat, two pictures show a striking resemblance to Ella. (IMO).  Any help would be appreciated. :)

Lori

I'm not sure about ties through the Saxe-Altenburg line, but they were more closely related through the Hesse family.  Alexandra Iosifovna and Ella/Alix were 4th cousins, being 3 grt. grandchildren of Ludwig VIII, Landgraf von Hessen-Darmstadt, (1691-1768).

T
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on June 01, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
Alexandra Iosifovna c.1857
(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6917/1857cs3.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 02, 2008, 06:31:00 PM
Interesting question. Paul was half-Russian and half-German (Sophie of Anhalt-Zerbst), but not a Romanov. Elizabeth was the last Romanov ruler - ever.

Part of this is inaccurate and part is speculative.

Incorrect - Paul I was not a Romanov. Parenthood is determined by the law of each country. The law in Russia was that the father of any children of a married woman was her husband unless there was a ukase or other ruling from the sovereign. An example of this - Olga Piskeltor's son Vladimir was originally considered to be fathered by her husband at the time, but later was affirmed by Nicholas II to be the son of Grand Duke Paul. So, regardless of biological parentage, Paul I was a Romanov because his father - Catherine the Great's husband - was declared a Romanov by Elizabeth Petrovna and there was never a ruling to the contrary by any Russian sovereign. However, the Imperial House became known as Holstein - Gottorp - Romanov.

Speculative - Elzabeth was the last Romanov ruler - ever. We presume EP's father was Peter the Great, but since her mother was known to take lovers, was EP a "Romanov" the way you mean it? We don't know. We also don't know who Paul's biological father was. We do know that Catherine said her husband wasn't - but even that is uncertain.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Marc on June 02, 2008, 07:38:50 PM
One more thing about Paul...I have read somewhere that many historians consider that he could be the son of Peter III comparing their looks and their behaviour,so nothing is sure...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on June 03, 2008, 12:20:35 AM
Marc, I believe Suzanne Massie mentioned this (the similarity of looks and personality) in her book "Land of the Firebird." The subject was also discussed in Carolly Erikson’s “Great Catherine." Peter III and Paul I were strikingly similar in some respects; especially their pro-German stance and obsession with the military. Hardly scientific proof of parentage, however.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Marc on June 03, 2008, 07:58:58 AM
Yes,of course...but that's why I said that you can never be sure about this kind of matter...They even look physically similar,but of course that is not enough to be the proof,but under the law he is indeed the son of his father and if anyone claims different than he needs the proof for claiming that he is not...and yet,words written here and there are not enough...Thank you Nadya for mentioning those books!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 20, 2008, 08:42:52 AM
I would like to start a thread about the grand duchess Alexandra Iosofovna (1830-1911), wife of grand duke Konstantin Nikolayevich, brother of tsar Alexander II. I know there's another thread about her an her husband, but it seems like she is an interesting woman, so now I start a thread about this grand duchess. I have a picture of the imperial family in Krasnoje Selo in 1892, and there's a woman that resembles much like this grand duchess. Maybe someone can post it...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 20, 2008, 10:23:38 AM
Alexandra was born on 8 July 1830 in Altenburg as daughter of the duke of Altenburg, Joseph, and his wife Amelie of Wurttemberg. She had five sisters, one of them was the queen of Hannover, Marie. She married grand duke Constantin Nikolayevitch on 11 September 1848 in St.Petersburg.

How did they met each other?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Janet Ashton on June 20, 2008, 02:55:59 PM
Alexandra was born on 8 July 1830 in Altenburg as daughter of the duke of Altenburg, Joseph, and his wife Amelie of Wurttemberg. She had five sisters, one of them was the queen of Hannover, Marie. She married grand duke Constantin Nikolayevitch on 11 September 1848 in St.Petersburg.

How did they met each other?

Alexandra of Saxe-Altenburg was the much younger cousin of Konstantin's aunt, the Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna (EP's mother was the sister to A of SA's father). EP had significent influence on Konstantin, and appears to have arranged for his trip to meet her young cousin. He did what was expected and fell in love with the first girl outside his immediate family he was really exopsed too. What's scary is that he kept saying how like his dead sister she was.  :(

Later, of course, Konstantin made up for the lost wild oats period. :D
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 20, 2008, 03:20:04 PM
So they met each other at the court at Stuttgart..
Are there pictures of her at the time she married ? I think she was the most pretty of her sisters in law (Maria Alexandrovna, Alexandra Petrovna and Olga Feodorovna)...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: gem_10 on June 20, 2008, 11:46:03 PM
So they met each other at the court at Stuttgart..
Are there pictures of her at the time she married ? I think she was the most pretty of her sisters in law (Maria Alexandrovna, Alexandra Petrovna and Olga Feodorovna)...



She was the most pretty.  :) And it was said that she greatly resembles Konstantin's favorite sister, the beautiful Grand Duchess Alexandra Nikolaievna.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on June 21, 2008, 10:09:21 AM
After giving it a good deal of  thought, I merged the new thread with the old one. There is so much information on the old one that it's bound to get repetitive to have a new thread which basically covers the same ground. In addition, the previous thread had been posted in just a few days ago so it wasn't as if it was 'old and buried'. I hope Luc doesn't take offense at this--I didn't do the same with the Olga/Cecile thread because her information was buried in the jumble of the Mikhailovichi and thus it seemed a clean slate might be in order.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 21, 2008, 01:47:09 PM
You are right grand duchess ella...  ;)

I have a picture of the imperial family in Krasnoye Selo in 1892; in my opinion AI is also in this picture. Maybe can someone post it?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 23, 2008, 08:39:10 AM
The picture I mean is in the book Légendes Royales by Cyrille Boulay. I don't know if it's available now.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 23, 2008, 08:43:56 AM
The link:

http://livre.fnac.com/a1133102/Cyril-Boulay-Legendes-royales
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on June 23, 2008, 12:16:13 PM
The picture I mean is in the book Légendes Royales by Cyrille Boulay. I don't know if it's available now.

If you mean this one :

(http://www.picatom.com/l/%20%20III%20%20%20%20_1891-1-th.JPG) (http://www.picatom.com/l/%20%20III%20%20%20%20_1891-1.html)

then the Imperial is at Livadia in 1891.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 23, 2008, 02:50:23 PM
Really great Svetabel ! I suppose this picture never had been posted before.  :)

So it's Alexandra Iosofovna in mourning for her husband? The grand duke had died that year. And the second woman on the second row, is it grand duchess Vladimir? Do you know who are the others at the picture?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Valmont on June 23, 2008, 02:58:20 PM
I think right behind GD Alexandra Iosifovna y GD Olga Queen of the Hellens, then to the right of the picture is The Empress Maria Feodorovna and The Emperor Alexander III. On the same hand, between GD Alexandra Iosifovna and GD Maria Pavlovna is GD Elena Vladimirovna and I am not sure if the girl in the far left of the picture is GD Xenia Alexandrovna..
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on June 24, 2008, 08:11:25 AM
Really great Svetabel ! I suppose this picture never had been posted before.  :)

So it's Alexandra Iosofovna in mourning for her husband? The grand duke had died that year. And the second woman on the second row, is it grand duchess Vladimir? Do you know who are the others at the picture?

The picture had been posted before but I don't rememebr what thread exactly...

A small correction of my previous post: the picture was taken in 1892 (GD Konstantin N. died 13 January 1892)

The sitters are:
Sitting on the ground - from left to right - GD Alexei Mikhailovitch, GD Mikhail Alexandrovitch, GD Andrey Vladimirovitch, GD Boris Vladimirovitch.

Front row, sitting, - from left to right - GDss Xenia Alexandrovna, GDss Maria Pavlovna-elder, GDss Elena Vladimirovna, GDss Alexandra Iosifovna, Empress Maria Fedorovna, Emperor Alexander III, GD Mikhail Nikolayevitch, GD Pavel Alexandrovitch

Second row, standing, - from left to right - Duke Mikhail of Mecklenbourg-Strelitz, Duke Georgiy of Mecklenbourg-Strelitz,GD Konstantin Konstantinovitch (KR), Queen Olga of Greece, Tseravevitch Nikolai Alexandrovitch, GD Vladimir Alexandrovitch, GD Dmitriy Konstantinovitch, Prince Petr of Oldenbourg, Duke Georgiy of Leuchtenberg.

Third row, behind, - from left to right  - GD Sergei Mikhailovitch, GD Nikolai Nikolayevitch-younger, Prince Alexander of Oldenbourg.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 24, 2008, 09:33:44 AM
Thank you Svetabel. From which book did you get this picture? The Camera and the Tsars? Was this picture taken for a special occasion?

Prince Petr of Oldenbourg, Duke Georgiy of Leuchtenberg.

Who are these men?

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on June 24, 2008, 12:22:19 PM
Thank you Svetabel. From which book did you get this picture? The Camera and the Tsars? Was this picture taken for a special occasion?

Prince Petr of Oldenbourg, Duke Georgiy of Leuchtenberg.

Who are these men?



The picture is from one of the various photoalbums on Empress Maria Fedorovna. The description is often as "The Imperial Family at Livadia in 1892".

The Oldenbourgs and the Leuchtenbergs are close relatives of the Romanovs, they are descendants of GDss Ekaterina Pavlovna and GDss Maria Nikolayevna respectively. Duke Georgiy is youngest son of GDss MN. Prince Petr is a great-son of GDss EP and 1st husband of GDss Olga Alexandrovna, youngest daughter of Alexander III.

Here's info on the Leuchtenbergs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian%2C_Duke_of_Leuchtenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian%2C_Duke_of_Leuchtenberg)


And the Oldenbourgs (info on Petr's grandfather):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Peter_of_Oldenburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Peter_of_Oldenburg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 25, 2008, 07:36:07 AM
Thank you Svetabel. Does anyone have pictures of AI in Russian court dress? A costume like she wore on the coronation of Nicholas II.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: gogm on June 25, 2008, 02:41:52 PM
Thank you Svetabel. Does anyone have pictures of AI in Russian court dress? A costume like she wore on the coronation of Nicholas II.

I found two in my files, both with horribly low resolution that don't warrant posting. Maybe brnbg aka: liljones1968 has some.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on June 25, 2008, 04:11:07 PM
At the 1896 coronation, the grande dame of the Romanov family:


(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/image159.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 26, 2008, 09:44:11 AM
Very nice picture grandduchessella ! That photo is also in the book The Camera and the Tsars. I've received it this midday. It's great !
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 27, 2008, 06:18:56 AM
The picture that grandduchessella posted on page 5 reply 67 of this thread, we see from left to right: it's indeed Nikolai Konstantinovitch, his mother and his sister Vera in 1870. It's in the book The Camera and the Tsars.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on June 27, 2008, 06:40:27 AM

In Charlotte Zeepvat's The Camera and the Tsars, page 145, about Alexandra Iosifovna at the coronation:

"Many would later describe the striking beauty of the older grand duchess Konstantin on this occasion: 'exceedingly tall and still astonishingly upright for her age, her hair was snow white; clothed from head to foot in silver she wore a sparkling diadem like frosted sun rays... Having a too great wealth of pearls to wear them all round her neck, she had fixed half a dozen ropes at her waist with an enormous diamond pin; they hung down along her gown in a milky cascade. She was so pale and shining white that seen against the golden walls of the cathedral she seemed to be covered with hoar-frost."
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on July 01, 2008, 12:35:43 PM
What kind of tiara is Alexandra wearing ?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2008, 02:06:21 PM
Looks like a diamond fringe one.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on July 02, 2008, 01:01:58 PM
How was her relationship with Minny? Did they get along well ?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on July 02, 2008, 01:34:53 PM
How was her relationship with Minny? Did they get along well ?

GD Alexandra I. was not in a great favour in the family of Alexander III, but he and his wife Empress Maria Fedorovna felt sorry for GDss' troubled marriage when her husband neglected her.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 02, 2008, 08:52:03 PM
Hi Luc,

While it was common knowledge that Alexander III did not get along with his uncle, Constantine Nicholaiovich, Maria Feodorovna and Alexandra Iosefovna were great allies.
AI was the top ranking Grand Duchess to welcome Dagmar to Russia and they kept up an affectionate correspondence & company over the years.
While at Gatchina, MF often visited AI at Pavlovsk and vice-versa.
MF was instremental in arranging AI's daughter, Olga, marrying her brother, King George of Greece..

In fact, MF, AI, Mavra and Queen Olga were a sort of cliche in the Russian Court to counter the Vladimirs.
Maria Feodorovna's favourite Romanov was her brother-in-law, GD Alexei Alexandrovich, and he too was a pet of Alexandra Iosefovna.

Larry
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on July 03, 2008, 12:30:14 AM
Hi Luc,

While it was common knowledge that Alexander III did not get along with his uncle, Constantine Nicholaiovich, Maria Feodorovna and Alexandra Iosefovna were great allies.
AI was the top ranking Grand Duchess to welcome Dagmar to Russia and they kept up an affectionate correspondence & company over the years.

GDss AI politicly fed vanity to the Imperial Family, she was able to create a good image of herself in their eyes so they were friends but not the great ones as A III and MF were with Queen Olga of Greece.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on July 03, 2008, 09:51:42 AM
Hi Luc,

While it was common knowledge that Alexander III did not get along with his uncle, Constantine Nicholaiovich, Maria Feodorovna and Alexandra Iosefovna were great allies.
AI was the top ranking Grand Duchess to welcome Dagmar to Russia and they kept up an affectionate correspondence & company over the years.
While at Gatchina, MF often visited AI at Pavlovsk and vice-versa.
MF was instremental in arranging AI's daughter, Olga, marrying her brother, King George of Greece..

In fact, MF, AI, Mavra and Queen Olga were a sort of cliche in the Russian Court to counter the Vladimirs.
Maria Feodorovna's favourite Romanov was her brother-in-law, GD Alexei Alexandrovich, and he too was a pet of Alexandra Iosefovna.

Larry

Thank you Larry and Svetabel. I read that most members of the Konstantinovichi branch were liberal in politics.
 But in the book The Camera and the Tsars they write:
"Where in the world have you, little rogue, ever learned to intrigue so well," the tsarevna's father, king Christian IX of Denmark, asked her, "since you must have worked hard against your uncle and aunt, who were previously decided against a match of this kind."

Were Olga's parents at first against this engagement ?
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 03, 2008, 10:51:56 AM
Hello Luc,

Constantine was against the marriage at first and vetoed it outright.  Probably because of Olga's young age.
But, George was very charming and level-headed and this eventually brought Constantine around.
I can imagine that Alexandra would have been pleased and proud that her daughter would become a Queen;  and everybody would be content that Russia and Greece would be stronger allied politically and through Orthodoxy...

George was Maria Feodorovna's favourite brother and, as Svetabel has written, MF and Queen Olga were great friends to the end of their lives.
I don't think Alexander III and Constantine were ever friends.  I have read that Constantine ridiculed Alexander in his youth and called him an oaff and stupid, so I can imagine that when A III became Czar, Constantine knew his goose was cooked!!!

Larry
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Post by: carl fraley on August 13, 2008, 03:21:48 AM
Does anyone know if HIH Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna of Russia ever visited Greece?  I have never heard of any trip by her or any of her children, but from what I have ready all of the Constantanovichi were very close.. Surely sine HM Queen Olga was queen of Greece for 50 years, someone had to visit here from among her siblings or mother ???

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Post by: Valmont on August 13, 2008, 09:27:36 AM
But that is a very good question. As a mother, I infer she mighth have visit her daugther, but I have not read anything about her visiting Greece. It never crossed my mind. Did she ever?????

Arturo Vega-Llausás
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Post by: Stefan22 on September 02, 2008, 12:34:22 PM
She has. I have the book "Die große Parade" (The big Parade) by J+ürg Stuker,. It describes the life of his relative Robert Stuker who was first teacher of the Princes Amdrew and Christophor and later Chamberlain at the greek royal Court and there a Visit of Grand Duchess Alexandra is described.
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Post by: Svetabel on September 03, 2008, 01:08:54 AM
She has. I have the book "Die große Parade" (The big Parade) by J+ürg Stuker,. It describes the life of his relative Robert Stuker who was first teacher of the Princes Amdrew and Christophor and later Chamberlain at the greek royal Court and there a Visit of Grand Duchess Alexandra is described.

And what year she had been in Greece? I still can't find an exact date.
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Post by: Stefan22 on September 03, 2008, 12:26:32 PM
She has. I have the book "Die große Parade" (The big Parade) by J+ürg Stuker,. It describes the life of his relative Robert Stuker who was first teacher of the Princes Amdrew and Christophor and later Chamberlain at the greek royal Court and there a Visit of Grand Duchess Alexandra is described.

And what year she had been in Greece? I still can't find an exact date.

Sorry it is not mentioned when she was there.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 06, 2008, 07:42:27 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/olga20fam1.jpg)


Whom in this photo? i know it the Konstantinovich family, but who is who?
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Post by: Svetabel on September 07, 2008, 01:53:52 AM
Sitting from left to right: GD Konstantin K., GDss Olga Kosntantinovna, her future spouse King George of Greece, GDss Alexandra Iosifovna. GD Dmitriy K. and GD Vyacheslav K. are in front of her. Standinf behind GDss Olga is GD Nikolai K.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 07, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
Thank you Sveta! :)
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Post by: royalboy202 on September 22, 2008, 06:24:25 PM
Would anyone know if AI was close to her Bavarian cousins?  Her fathers sister Theresa married King Ludwig I in 1810 and they had 9 children.
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Post by: Svetabel on September 23, 2008, 12:22:14 AM
Would anyone know if AI was close to her Bavarian cousins?  Her fathers sister Theresa married King Ludwig I in 1810 and they had 9 children.

According to GD Konstantin N.'s diaries they (Grand Duke and his spouse AI) visited their numerous relatives (and the Bavarians as well) in Germany during their trips, but he doesn't mention any special info about relationship of his spouse and the Wittelsbachs. Probably the visits (and relationship) was official and formal.
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Post by: Teddy on September 23, 2008, 02:23:01 AM
Diares of KN? Published?
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Post by: Svetabel on September 23, 2008, 03:02:38 AM
Diares of KN? Published?

Yes, some extracts from his journals of 1856-1861 years as well as his correspondence with his elder brother Alexander II. The book is a rare one as had been published in the 1990s, in Russian.
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Post by: royalboy202 on September 28, 2008, 10:58:19 PM
Cousins of Alexandra Iosifovna von Sachsen-Altenburg  I had no idea that she was so closely related to some of these Royals: http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en&m=C&i=127216&v1=2
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Post by: Svetabel on September 29, 2008, 01:23:07 AM
Cousins of Alexandra Iosifovna von Sachsen-Altenburg  I had no idea that she was so closely related to some of these Royals: http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en&m=C&i=127216&v1=2


Most of the German royalties were/are close relatives : )
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Post by: royalboy202 on September 29, 2008, 06:24:16 PM
yes all the german royals are closly related but i had know idea she was a 1st cousin to the Queen of Belgium (Marie Henriette)  and some of the Habsburg and Wittselbachs and also a 1st cousin to Queen Mary's father.  I figured she
might be a 3rd or 4th cousin to these royals but not a 1st cousin.  Was she close to the Queen of Belgium or Franz, Duke of Teck.  Any pictures of her with some of her cousins?
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Post by: Svetabel on September 30, 2008, 01:01:49 AM
Was she close to the Queen of Belgium or Franz, Duke of Teck.  Any pictures of her with some of her cousins?

Never seen such pictures. Unlikely she was close to Queen of Belgium of the Tecks.
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Post by: Janet Ashton on February 20, 2009, 04:19:58 AM
I have put my article on the life of Konstantin Nikolaevich up on the web at

http://www.directarticle.org/Konstantin1.html   and following (19 pages including bibliography)

This is a significantly re-worked version of the article I did for Atlantis in 2005 (which most people won't have read anyway), plus illustrations.
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Post by: Luc on February 20, 2009, 07:20:44 AM
How well done the article is, Janet, thank you ! The illustrations are great  :)
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Post by: Janet Ashton on February 21, 2009, 04:36:31 AM
How well done the article is, Janet, thank you ! The illustrations are great  :)

Thanks Luc! - I feel Konstantin gets a rough deal because people tend only to remember him through the stories left by by well-known memoirists (like his grandson Christo!) which show an angry and even brutal man dealing harshly with his wife. In popular history he tends to be shown as a man of action, the product of a happy healthy childhood - and I think this is rather too simple as well, and takes Nicholas's family life rather too much at the face value presented in Victorian books.

For many more excellent pictures, I'd recommend these books: -

Veliki kniaz Konstantin Nikolaevich Romanov, by V.I. Motsardo (Samara: Agniart, 2004)
and Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich - a little exhibition catalogue, published St Petersburg: Abris, 2002.
the published version of K's diary (Perepiska imperatora Aleksandra II s Velikim Kniazem Konstantintom Nikolaevichem; Dnevnik Velikovo Kniazia Konstantina Nikolaevicha. Moscow: Terra, 1994) also has some very unusual images, though the quality of the reproduction isn't so good. The first two are fantastic.
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Post by: Olgasha on April 08, 2009, 03:00:28 AM
GD Konstantin Nikolaevich
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2880/gdkonstantin.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8678/konstantin.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5944/konstaleks.jpg)

Nikolai, Olga and Vera
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2838/nickveraolga.jpg)
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8051/gdveraolga.jpg)
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Post by: Duke of New Jersey on April 19, 2009, 09:36:23 PM
It's really amazing how Olga's face did not change at all from when she young to when she was older.  For most adults it is very difficult to match them to their younger photos, but not for Olga.  



-Duke of NJ
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Post by: Svetabel on April 20, 2009, 11:41:25 AM
It's really amazing how Olga's face did not change at all from when she young to when she was older. 

As well as her naive and somewhat childish nature never did not change.
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Post by: Svetabel on April 20, 2009, 11:42:42 AM
GDss Alexandra Iosifovna in the midle of 1860s (brand new picture for me)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/ai-1.jpg)
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Post by: ashanti01 on April 29, 2009, 11:27:07 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/B85YKJ.jpg)
GD Vera, GD Elizabeth, Queen Olga and GD Alexandra
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Post by: Teddy on April 29, 2009, 04:16:56 PM
Are they from a book Ashanti?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 29, 2009, 05:01:23 PM
Nope, they re from Alamy photo stock ;-) (http://www.alamy.com/)
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Post by: ashanti01 on April 29, 2009, 10:29:32 PM
That's right there from alamy. They have a great selection of images although some are mislabled  :-/
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Post by: ashanti01 on June 27, 2009, 12:19:54 AM
 (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/BU6d7UmkKGrHgoH-C4EjlLl0-E2BKP7B-1.jpg)
Grand Duke Konstantin
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Post by: ashanti01 on June 27, 2009, 12:27:52 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/lithography_010509_25-1.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 27, 2009, 02:52:18 PM
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/Stella_sabata/80155970.jpg)
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Post by: bednayaliza on September 19, 2009, 12:12:49 PM
A bigger version of Alexandra Iosifovna portrait by Kaulbach  "http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu120/bednayaliza/kaulbachcalexiosifovna.jpg"
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 19, 2009, 07:15:36 PM
Konstantin Nikolaebvich and his illegitimate daughter Marina

(http://i30.tinypic.com/migi1d.jpg)

Ana Vassilievna and the rest of the kids she had with Konstantin

(http://i27.tinypic.com/esqi2p.jpg)

An adult, elegant and beautiful Marina

(http://i32.tinypic.com/2ah653a.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on February 02, 2010, 08:08:04 AM
AI

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/222004.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/222004.jpg)


A close-up of that picture of GDss Alexandra I.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/25f0opu.jpg)

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Post by: royal_netherlands on April 26, 2010, 05:43:44 PM
Wonderfull photograph Svetabel!

From Sotheby's:

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/GrandDuchessAlexandraofRussiaPrince.jpg)

Grand Duchess Alexandra of Russia, Princess of Saxe-Altenburg (1830-1911), married 1848 to Grand Duke Constantin of Russia (1827-1892), with her daughter Grand Duchess Vera (1854-1912), who was married in 1874 to Eugen Duke of Württemberg (1846-1877) and her twin grand children Duchess Elsa (1876-1936) and Duchess Olga of Württemberg (1876-1932). The gentleman seated on the left is Prince Albrecht zu Schaumburg-Lippe (1869-1942) the fiancé of Elsa. Photograph taken in 1897.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Sannyoldwoman.jpg)
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Post by: royal_netherlands on April 26, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/iosifovnainpink.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 27, 2010, 07:56:23 AM
This picture says that Alexandra and Constantin had "good times"

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2znqz5e.jpg)

i love how they look to each other!
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 03, 2010, 09:17:44 AM
Konstantin

(http://i39.tinypic.com/290pwu0.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 12, 2010, 08:11:42 AM
a big candy for those who post this one in bigger., Its beautiful!

(http://i39.tinypic.com/207q8i8.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 18, 2010, 11:26:13 AM
Danke. I hope to find it bigger soon ;-)

Dimitri Konstantinovich

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2nl4xo8.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on May 18, 2010, 10:59:03 PM


Dimitri Konstantinovich

http://i45.tinypic.com/2nl4xo8.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/2nl4xo8.jpg)

ACTUALLY this image had been posted by me and at the thread about Dmitriy K.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 19, 2010, 09:39:32 AM
there s a topic about Dmitri? I will check it out. I found that image in a liveinternet journal.

A nice portrait of Constantine Nicolaevich,

(http://i46.tinypic.com/kd28wp.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on May 20, 2010, 12:14:51 AM
there s a topic about Dmitri? I will check it out. I found that image in a liveinternet journal.



Yes, there is a topic about him. I knew you didn't get the picture here, many pictures scanned by me and non-watermarked a few years ago can be found now all over the Internet. The Russian I-net and LiveJournal in particular always "forget" about referencies..
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Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2010, 08:21:37 AM
GDss Alexandra Iosifovna in the midle of 1860s (brand new picture for me)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/ai-1.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/ai-1.jpg)

The whole image, though blurry

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1861.jpg)

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Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2010, 08:22:31 AM
With daughter Olga in 1865-1866

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1866uj.jpg)
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Post by: THERRY on June 17, 2010, 08:51:50 AM
Another beautiful and tender image of mother and daughter ! Thank You !
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Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2010, 09:00:07 AM
1860 year, GDss AI with son Nicholas

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1860.jpg)

And 1861 year photosession

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/186163.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/186163-.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/57.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2010, 09:01:43 AM
This has been posted I think, but...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/452.jpg)


..here's a back photo

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/51c58d85.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
With son Vyacheslav

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/file-3.jpg)

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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 17, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
Thank you!! i love back photos!

Old Alexandra

(http://i29.tinypic.com/f57mz8.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on June 17, 2010, 09:10:38 AM
1864 year

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1864ui.jpg)

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Post by: THERRY on June 17, 2010, 09:26:39 AM
Thank You ! Photos interesting not only from a historical perspective, but also the fashion of that period that I love
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Post by: Veronica on June 17, 2010, 04:56:38 PM
Konstantin ready to go hunting

(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9052/constantin2file.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on June 18, 2010, 01:25:03 AM
GDss Olga,elder daughter of the GDucal pair

in 1861

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1861olga.jpg)

in 1866

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1866st.jpg)

in 1864

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/ae626cf9.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on June 21, 2010, 01:40:29 AM
More of GDss Olga K.

In 1864,another pose

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/def990bc.jpg)

In 1865

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/ygh.jpg)

in 1866-67

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/6667.jpg)
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Post by: THERRY on June 21, 2010, 01:57:08 AM
Thank You for all these photos, young Olga is very beauty !
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 21, 2010, 07:52:26 AM
Funny family image

(http://i28.tinypic.com/4hr30i.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 05, 2010, 12:07:04 PM
Gd Konstantin

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2199fr5.jpg)
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Post by: royal_netherlands on July 14, 2010, 01:18:10 PM
This has been posted I think, but...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/452.jpg)


..here's a back photo

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/51c58d85.jpg)

Hahahaha...Just priceless! But I don't understand why the did it? Posing for an official portrait took ages and I why bother to take one of the back too? You see it more with some royal and imperial portraits. I remember seeing a group-portrait of Christian IX's and Louise's family sitting on a bench - first the front and then the back. Probably just for fun, but still remarkable. At least you don't have to smile!
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 14, 2010, 03:09:58 PM
it was more common that everyone thinks. I collect antique pictures and i have several of people posing  this way. They had time and money..why shouldnt get into "Fashion" ;-)?
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Post by: redduchess on July 14, 2010, 07:38:22 PM
I might be off topic when I ask this question and if so, I'm sure someone will direct me to another thread . . .  was there any animosity btw AI and Vera after she moved to Wurt.?   
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Post by: Svetabel on July 14, 2010, 10:59:46 PM
I might be off topic when I ask this question and if so, I'm sure someone will direct me to another thread . . .  was there any animosity btw AI and Vera after she moved to Wurt.?   

There was no animosity, the question is that Vera was a difficult child and after that a difficult girl and woman. She always was somewhat a stranger within her Romanov family becouse of her character. So she often was quite annoying and nerve-racking.
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Post by: Olgasha on July 18, 2010, 02:42:58 PM
Alexandra Iosifovna
(http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/1002/64/cc59a286d49b.jpg)
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Post by: Olgasha on August 21, 2010, 12:51:17 PM
GD Konstantin Nicholaevich
(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1//59/581/59581482_52774066_arhitektura432.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 24, 2010, 08:35:05 AM
Young Alexandra

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6852/6973446.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/6973446.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 25, 2010, 06:43:34 AM
Konstantin Nicolaevich

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc25/claudiams18/rusia/antiguos/alexan%20josip/Escanear0001.jpg)
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Post by: Olgasha on August 25, 2010, 01:00:01 PM

Young GD Aleksandra Iosifovna
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4311/ne-nai.60/0_2b590_55ecea3f_XL.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 25, 2010, 01:36:58 PM


Is that Sanny? pretty one, tho terrible inexact!
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 25, 2010, 03:49:49 PM
Maybe this image was mislabeled and this is Marie , not Alexandra 0_o
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 25, 2010, 04:16:41 PM


Another portrait of young Konstantin Nicolaevich

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc25/claudiams18/rusia/antiguos/alexan%20josip/Escanear0002.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on August 25, 2010, 11:12:52 PM
Maybe this image was mislabeled and this is Marie , not Alexandra 0_o

That's Alexandra.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on August 26, 2010, 12:27:16 AM
It's interesting that many contemporaries said about GDss Alexandra's resemblance to Queen Mary of Scots, and to be more correct - to portraits of unfortunate Queen Mary.
Alexandra knew about this resemblance and even wore dresses a la Mary Stuart. I think that the resemblance is slight...

Here're famous Mary's portraits:

(http://www.picatom.com/1l/20080718232252Mary_Stuart_Queen-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1l/20080718232252Mary_Stuart_Queen-1.html)


(http://www.picatom.com/1l/20080524172006Mary_Stuart_French_Marriage-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1l/20080524172006Mary_Stuart_French_Marriage-1.html)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on August 26, 2010, 12:29:27 AM
GDss Alexandra in 1870s

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/13.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/_-12.jpg)

Alexandra Iosifovna
http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/1002/64/cc59a286d49b.jpg (http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/1002/64/cc59a286d49b.jpg)

Another pose

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/12.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: ashanti01 on August 30, 2010, 06:57:20 PM
Don't believe this has been posted on this thread before

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/krsalvadmtvera-1.jpg)
Left to right: GD Dmitri, GD Vyacheslav , GD Konstantin and GD Vera
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: ashanti01 on August 31, 2010, 10:53:29 PM
Another shot from the same session

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/verasladmtrkr-1.jpg)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 02, 2010, 08:22:02 AM
Konstantin N

(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/6968/6678059.jpg) (http://img844.imageshack.us/i/6678059.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Olgasha on September 04, 2010, 01:25:39 PM
GD Konstantin Nikolaevich
(http://rusmuseum.ru/images/cms/data/mram_palase_person01.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: TroubleTwin2 on September 05, 2010, 09:53:15 AM
What instrument is he  holding in the picture?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Olgasha on September 05, 2010, 10:05:52 AM
It's a cello.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: ashanti01 on September 05, 2010, 10:58:13 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/verakonnic-1.jpg)
Grand Duke Konstantin and Grand Duchess Vera
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 05, 2010, 03:58:17 PM
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Konstantin looked more confortable and happy posing with his illegitimate daughter Marina

Konstantin Nikolaevich and his illegitimate daughter Marina

http://i30.tinypic.com/migi1d.jpg (http://i30.tinypic.com/migi1d.jpg)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 06, 2010, 07:45:26 AM


the Constantinovichi,


(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5204/02b9c330b04fc21xl.jpg) (http://img811.imageshack.us/i/02b9c330b04fc21xl.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: ashanti01 on September 15, 2010, 11:04:38 PM
GD Konstantin and GD Alexandra riding in carriage. Can anyone tell me who is the man riding in the back of the carriage? Thanks.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/KR/knaicarriage001-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on September 15, 2010, 11:12:44 PM
GD Konstantin and GD Alexandra riding in carriage. Can anyone tell me who is the man riding in the back of the carriage? Thanks.


Looks like a courtier, not a Royal.I can guess that's Pavel Zelenoy.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 06, 2010, 06:34:40 AM


GD Konstantin Nikolaevich

(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7535/xdtysrt5y.jpg) (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/xdtysrt5y.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 06, 2010, 09:07:47 AM
Konstantin

(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/9589/57989799k.jpg) (http://img826.imageshack.us/i/57989799k.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: ashanti01 on December 31, 2010, 11:43:25 PM
These were new to me, hopefully new to some of forum members as well.

Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna posthumous photos 

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/0118-knyaginya-na-smertnom-odre.jpg)

funeral procession

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/0119-traurnaya-protsessiya.jpg)
Title: Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: fabnowa on February 19, 2011, 02:15:08 PM
Hello. Here ia a nice original colored picture from Iosifovna with olga.

http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=adel_02_36tmgb.jpg




greetings
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: toddy on February 19, 2011, 09:03:40 PM
 So   tell me if i am wrong but   HRH Prince william of wales  is  a decendent of Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna ??
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 20, 2011, 12:12:03 AM
Yes,

William - Charles of GB - Phillip of Greece/Duke of Edwinburgh - Andrew of Greece - Olga of Russia - Konstantine and Alexandra

William is their great-great-great-Grandson.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Dru on March 01, 2011, 01:10:14 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5259/5489761530_6e7e481a59.jpg)

I don't think this one has been posted before...
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 01, 2011, 02:18:29 PM
 
Thats not Alexandra but Louise Grand duchess of Baden and the illustration is based in this portrait by Winterhalter

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Luiza_hohenzollern.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Dru on March 01, 2011, 03:23:07 PM
Yeah, you're definitely right.  I wonder why it's labeled as Alexandra Iosifovna. 
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on July 14, 2011, 12:53:32 PM
There must be some books or other publications about the Konstantinovichi branch of the Romanovs. I really would like to buy a book about this interesting part of the family, but I wonder which books you recommend.

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on July 14, 2011, 01:24:52 PM
There must be some books or other publications about the Konstantinovichi branch of the Romanovs. I really would like to buy a book about this interesting part of the family, but I wonder which books you recommend.



In English "Gilded Prism" is quite good. There are also variousl books and some albums in Russian.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on July 14, 2011, 03:46:35 PM
Thank you for mentioning Gilded prism. For me, English is more easy to read, indeed! I will decide if I can get my hands on this book:)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 14, 2011, 03:57:30 PM
^ here you go. A few copies at Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/GILDED-PRISM-Konstantinovichi-Romanov-Dynasty/dp/0977196143/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310677016&sr=8-1

Hope that helps
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Teddy on July 16, 2011, 08:53:45 PM
Thank you for mentioning Gilded prism. For me, English is more easy to read, indeed! I will decide if I can get my hands on this book:)

There is already a good copy of it for EUR 10,- at The Slegte in The Hague.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 08, 2011, 10:40:10 AM
Gdss Alexandra

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9556/iosif.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Luc on August 11, 2011, 12:47:34 PM
Thank you for mentioning Gilded prism. For me, English is more easy to read, indeed! I will decide if I can get my hands on this book:)

There is already a good copy of it for EUR 10,- at The Slegte in The Hague.

Thank you Mandie and Teddy for your replies. 10 Euro is a very low price, maybe I will buy the book at De Slegte:)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: gem_10 on August 22, 2011, 02:12:14 AM
Alexandra Iosifovna

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff145/tokyogensou/0_e8861_e8817220_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 01, 2011, 01:32:46 PM
a big candy for those who post this one in bigger., Its beautiful!

(http://i39.tinypic.com/207q8i8.jpg)

A bit better version

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/alexifolga.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on December 02, 2011, 05:17:32 AM
]

In 1865

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/ygh.jpg)



Close-up

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/olgaread.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Dru on December 10, 2011, 07:48:05 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7152/6489864271_414a586de2_z.jpg)

Found as Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich by Sokolov.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Chris_H on February 08, 2012, 08:52:19 AM
These are great pictures, you can see that the family were very close to each other
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Chris_H on February 11, 2012, 04:06:39 PM
[i(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/chrishiggins1980/Picture095.jpg)mg][/img]
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Chris_H on February 11, 2012, 04:07:53 PM
Grand Duke Dimitri
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Condecontessa on February 11, 2012, 07:35:09 PM
It looks like a sreenshot from a documentary. Must be in russian. If I can only understand russian  :(
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Chris_H on February 11, 2012, 08:22:36 PM
its actually from jacques ferrand romanoff un album de famille, my scanner isn't that best but it works :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Condecontessa on February 12, 2012, 12:24:48 PM
You mean you have one of those sought after books? Neat. Thank you for sharing :)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Chris_H on February 12, 2012, 12:45:31 PM
your welcome! yes I do :) I will be sharing some more!
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Sara Araújo on September 28, 2012, 11:46:46 AM
Alexandra Iosifovna with her daughter Olga Constantinovna and her daughter-in-law Elizabeth Mavrikievna:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img834/4552/dsc363621.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Teddy on September 30, 2012, 05:45:13 AM
What a nice photo! Where did you got this one?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Sara Araújo on October 01, 2012, 03:19:36 AM
I found it here:

http://www.auction-imperia.ru/wdate.php?t=offline&i=19317
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Dru on October 21, 2012, 06:22:29 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8046/8110605882_4cf97577ce_z.jpg)

Konstantin Nikolaevich.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Chris_H on July 04, 2013, 10:14:22 AM
[(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/chrishiggins1980/Picture652_zps05bddcc8.jpg) (http://s1053.photobucket.com/user/chrishiggins1980/media/Picture652_zps05bddcc8.jpg.html)]
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Chris_H on July 04, 2013, 10:16:33 AM
[(http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s477/chrishiggins1980/Picture653_zps6f60f01a.jpg) (http://s1053.photobucket.com/user/chrishiggins1980/media/Picture653_zps6f60f01a.jpg.html)]
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 11, 2015, 03:38:59 AM
(http://upyourpic.org/images/201405/uhnjgcc4st.jpg)

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/taniaum/post334417829/
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 03, 2015, 01:35:58 PM
Alexandra Iosifovna

(http://cs621519.vk.me/v621519079/1771f/vMd7nbLbFzw.jpg)

(http://cs621519.vk.me/v621519079/17716/Pja4FZfmRSg.jpg)

(http://cs621519.vk.me/v621519079/1770d/jCsZusDQ6-w.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 03, 2015, 01:36:59 PM
(http://cs621519.vk.me/v621519079/176fb/QYZ--JUwmqg.jpg)

(http://cs621519.vk.me/v621519079/176e0/nzzyiTZYH5k.jpg)

(http://cs621519.vk.me/v621519079/176d7/7ViJ65FqeIY.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: gleb on April 12, 2015, 11:28:56 AM
Can anyone tell me one thing: when I read that Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna died on 6 july 1911, this date refers to the Julian calendar or the gregorian one?

Second question does anyone konw when her funeral was held?
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Svetabel on April 13, 2015, 03:49:33 AM
Can anyone tell me one thing: when I read that Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna died on 6 july 1911, this date refers to the Julian calendar or the gregorian one?

Second question does anyone konw when her funeral was held?

She died 23 June/6 July. The funeral was held 30 June.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: gleb on April 13, 2015, 01:37:26 PM
Thank you very much, as always.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on May 02, 2015, 02:30:03 PM
Grand DUchess Alexandra - with what I guess is one of her grandchildren. Or not? Could anyone identify the child?

(http://cs621818.vk.me/v621818079/25372/RSJIOuL21c8.jpg)

Found here http://vk.com/club35562918
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 22, 2016, 02:14:23 AM
Found this as Alexandra Iosifovna as a young girl, by Joseph Karl Stieler, 1840s. Anyone can confirm?

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e80cdf831ec7b58bc7483bb22fe2bb1d/tumblr_o2xgjcCvls1qjuryuo1_540.png)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 21, 2016, 02:30:24 PM
Alexandra and Olga

(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/27cbd/dVYL-iXIyP8.jpg)

(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/27caa/JgAM1p50vEk.jpg)

Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 21, 2016, 02:30:49 PM
(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/27c72/NzwJIJ21aV4.jpg)

(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/27c48/MXPUOWA5uTw.jpg)
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 21, 2016, 02:31:27 PM
(https://pp.vk.me/c631925/v631925079/27c35/FerV3d_jjnQ.jpg)

All the picture I just posted I found https://vk.com/representatives_of_the_romanov
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Ally Kumari on July 19, 2016, 09:00:02 AM
Labeled as Konstantin, Nicholas and Mikhail, sons of Nicholas I

(https://pp.vk.me/c604330/v604330797/1a3e5/HU_PaJoNsyI.jpg)

Found here https://vk.com/club52196838
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 19, 2016, 11:37:42 AM
Found this as Alexandra Iosifovna as a young girl, by Joseph Karl Stieler, 1840s. Anyone can confirm?

No, she is not. If you look at the right side (near to the girl's shoulder), you can see that the painting wasn't done by Karl Stieler but by "F. Krepp". The year is also there, in the artist's signature: 853, not 1840's.
Later I googled the painter's name and found it labeled as "Portrait of a young woman with roses in her hair (1853). Friedrich Krepp". Here (https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Friedrich_Krepp_M%C3%A4dchenportrait.jpg) is a link to the description. It fits better to the information provided in the signature.  Anyways, very beautiful painting!! ; )
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: Dru on June 05, 2017, 06:30:55 PM
http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/161484510850 (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/image/161484510850)

Grand Duke Vyacheslav Konstantinovich by Kramskoy.
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: thebelgianhare on June 20, 2017, 09:22:31 AM
new for me, thank you Dru, i've never seen many photos of this young man, given his young life I'm glad to see more exist

I always thought Vyacheslav Konstantinovich seemed a nice and promising boy who had a strong and kind face. He also has one of my all-time favourite Russian names too!


off topic perhaps but he now has an interesting and sad/poignant wikipedia page someone has made for him
Title: Re: Grand Duke Konstantin N. and Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna
Post by: GDNastya on May 07, 2018, 10:36:36 AM
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r174/GDNastya/Dorotheum/38N180425_138_64638_1.jpg) (http://s144.photobucket.com/user/GDNastya/media/Dorotheum/38N180425_138_64638_1.jpg.html)
Portrait od Alexandra Iosifovna