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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Rulers Prior to Nicholas II => Topic started by: Lisa on February 14, 2006, 08:48:59 AM

Title: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Lisa on February 14, 2006, 08:48:59 AM
MARIA PAVLOVNA 176-1859
1790's by LEVITSKY: (http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/119/slevitskimariapavlovna3ma.th.jpg) (http://img492.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slevitskimariapavlovna3ma.jpg)  1799 by QUADAL: (http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4678/1799quadallouvre9ce.th.jpg) (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1799quadallouvre9ce.jpg) 
1800-1804 by BOROVIKOVSKI: (http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8823/1804borovikovski71cm59cmgatchi.th.jpg) (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1804borovikovski71cm59cmgatchi.jpg) (http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9339/sanstitre3hw.th.png) (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitre3hw.png)
1817: (http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/883/sanstitre4rc.th.jpg) (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitre4rc.jpg)  1820's by DAWE: (http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/1293/1822dawemaria5op.th.jpg) (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1822dawemaria5op.jpg)
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Marie Valerie on February 09, 2007, 02:30:34 PM
Maria Pawlowna (* 4. February 1786 in Sankt Petersburg; † 23. June 1859 in Weimar)

Maria was a daughter of Tsar Paul I. and Tsarina Maria Fedorowna (Sophia Dorothea Augusta Luisa von Württemberg)

She was very beloved in Weimar and called "Angel of the poor and weak"


Maria was married to Grand Duke Carl Friedrich and mother of Kaiserin Augusta
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: grandduchessella on February 09, 2007, 05:43:17 PM
This portrait, and others (including the following) can be found on the 'more portraits' section.

Here's an older MP, courtesy of Marc:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/PavlMar2.jpg)
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: grandduchessella on February 09, 2007, 05:45:26 PM
Seeing as how she was Fritz's grandmother and lived (barely) to see the birth of Kaiser Wilhelm II, I wonder what he relationship with her Prussian relations was like. Augusta's sister-in-law, Charlotte of Prussia, became Empress Alexandra, consort of Nicholas I. I wonder if that relationship, if any, was impacted by her daughter Augusta's unhappy marriage to Charlotte's brother Wilhelm.
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: grandduchessella on February 09, 2007, 05:49:25 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Borovikovsky_marpavl.jpg/200px-Borovikovsky_marpavl.jpg)
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: grandduchessella on February 09, 2007, 05:53:19 PM
Here's some of what wikipedia has to say:

She was born in 1786 in Saint Petersburg and raised in Pavlovsk.

As a child, she was not considered pretty: her features were disfigured as a result of a pioneering application of the smallpox vaccine. Her grandmother, Catherine II, admired her precocious talent as a pianist but declared that she'd better be born a boy. Her music instructor was Giuseppe Sarti, a composer.

In 1804, she married Carl Friedrich Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar Eisenach, with whom they stayed in Saint Petersburg for nine months, before departing for Weimar. There she was greeted with a bout of festivities, as described by Christoph Martin Wieland: "The most festive part of all the magnificence of balls, fireworks, promenades, comedies, illuminations was the widespread and genuine joy at the arrival of our new princess". Schiller praised her "talents in music and painting and genuine love of reading", while Goethe hailed her as one of the worthiest women of his time.

After the death of the Grand Duke Carl Friedrich in 1853 she retired from public life.

Her last trip to Russia was to the coronation of her nephew as Alexander II of Russia in 1855.

Maria Pavlovna was interested in arts as well as in sciences. She was a patroness of art, science and social welfare in the poor Grand-Dukedom of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach. She maintained a lifelong correspondence with Vasily Zhukovsky and it was to her that Schiller dedicated one of his last poems. She attended ten courses at the University of Jena, some delivered by Alexander von Humboldt, and was instrumental in establishing the Falk Institute in Weimar. In her later years, Maria Pavlovna invited Franz Liszt to her court, restoring a measure of artistic excellence previously associated with Weimar. However, her growing deafness prevented her from enjoying the premiere of Lohengrin in Weimar on 28 August 1850.

Most famous were the "Literary Evenings (Literarische Abende)" where scholars from the neighboring Jena University and others from outside the Grand-Dukedom were invited to give lectures on various topics. This circle was a focus in post-classical Weimar.

Several collections of the Jena University benefitted by her patronage, among them the Grandducal Oriental Coin Cabinet founded in 1840 by Johann Gustav Stickel, orientalist at the University.

Maria Pavlovna is buried in Weimar, in a Russian-style chapel by the side of the Goethe-Schiller Mausoleum.

Her son, Karl Alexander, married in 1842, his first cousin, Princess Sophie of the Netherlands, daughter of William II and Anna Pavlovna of Russia, sister of his mother. Her daughter, Marie, married Prince Karl of Prussia, brother of Wilhelm. She also had a first-born son, Paul, who only lived a few months.

This is Marie's husband, Karl Friedrich:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Karl_Friedrich_of_Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach.jpg)
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Svetabel on February 10, 2007, 04:06:48 AM
Maria Pavlovna was really a character, a strong-minded woman,in some aspects a worthy sister of the Emperor Nikolai I. She was highly respected by all European Royals (esp. in Germany). Her niece, Grand Duchess Olga Nikolayevna (future Queen of Wuerttemberg) writes about Maria Pavlovna in her memoirs with respect and wonder as MP,a woman of strong intellect,a patroness of arts and poets, highly-educated person was married to a very simple-minded and obtuse man Grand Duke Karl Friedrich. But MP never complained to her destiny, she was enough happy to be a Grand Duchess, a patroness of arts, a person of good works, to live morally and be respected by all. Though Olga Nikolayevna notes that the virtue of her Aunt was somewhat oppressing for others, esp. for young relatives.
Pity that Russian biographers of MP say almost nothing  on her relations with the Prussian court and her 2 daughters, Augusta and Maria. :-\
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Marie Valerie on February 10, 2007, 10:06:38 AM
Maria Pawlowna supported many cultural projects in Weimar, like the great Anna Amalia before her.
The Weimarer Court was called "The Court of Muses" and invited many artists like Franz Liszts and Schiller.
Though her help the Novels of Puschkin were translated into german.

Maria also gave her own money for charities and foundations, Sachsen-Weimar was a very poor duchy..
She helped to start the first weimarer Bank (Sparkasse) and took the patronage of orphan children, Women and poor people.

Maria = Russias gift to Weimar  :D
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Linnea on February 10, 2007, 04:08:44 PM
very simple-minded and obtuse man Grand Duke Karl Friedrich

He had a very telling nickname: "Kickeriki" or short "Kiki"
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Kevin From Australia on May 01, 2008, 05:44:21 AM
Maria Pavlovna was really a character, a strong-minded woman,in some aspects a worthy sister of the Emperor Nikolai I. She was highly respected by all European Royals (esp. in Germany). Her niece, Grand Duchess Olga Nikolayevna (future Queen of Wuerttemberg) writes about Maria Pavlovna in her memoirs with respect and wonder as MP,a woman of strong intellect,a patroness of arts and poets, highly-educated person was married to a very simple-minded and obtuse man Grand Duke Karl Friedrich. But MP never complained to her destiny, she was enough happy to be a Grand Duchess, a patroness of arts, a person of good works, to live morally and be respected by all. Though Olga Nikolayevna notes that the virtue of her Aunt was somewhat oppressing for others, esp. for young relatives.
Pity that Russian biographers of MP say almost nothing  on her relations with the Prussian court and her 2 daughters, Augusta and Maria. :-\

Svetabel,  GDSS Olga Nikolayevna's memoirs that you speak of, I assume it has been published in Russian only?

Also has there mbeen many books published on MP in Russia?
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Svetabel on May 01, 2008, 12:29:13 PM
Maria Pavlovna was really a character, a strong-minded woman,in some aspects a worthy sister of the Emperor Nikolai I. She was highly respected by all European Royals (esp. in Germany). Her niece, Grand Duchess Olga Nikolayevna (future Queen of Wuerttemberg) writes about Maria Pavlovna in her memoirs with respect and wonder as MP,a woman of strong intellect,a patroness of arts and poets, highly-educated person was married to a very simple-minded and obtuse man Grand Duke Karl Friedrich. But MP never complained to her destiny, she was enough happy to be a Grand Duchess, a patroness of arts, a person of good works, to live morally and be respected by all. Though Olga Nikolayevna notes that the virtue of her Aunt was somewhat oppressing for others, esp. for young relatives.
Pity that Russian biographers of MP say almost nothing  on her relations with the Prussian court and her 2 daughters, Augusta and Maria. :-\

Svetabel,  GDSS Olga Nikolayevna's memoirs that you speak of, I assume it has been published in Russian only?

Also has there mbeen many books published on MP in Russia?

Olga Nikolayevna wrote her memoirs in French and till 1955 it had been preserved in the Stuttgart Arhcives. In 1955 the German edition of the memoirs was issued, but it had many errors. (Traum der Jugend goldner Stern. Aus den Aufzeichnungen der Königin Olga von Würtemberg.  Günther Nesk’e, Pfullingen, 1955.) So as I know now only the correct Russian translation is available.

Not so many books  on Maria Pavlovna in Russian, there are large articles and chapters in some editions on the Romanovs.
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Kevin From Australia on May 01, 2008, 02:33:43 PM
Tankk you Sveabel,

I have a book by Robert Uhland, which is about Eveline Massenbach's diary, she was a lady-in-waiting to Queen Olga.

I was recently in England where at a friend's I saw the "Zarentochter am Weinmarer Hof", which I have just purcahsed online, along with 2 other books (in German of course) on Maria Pawlowna.

I must admit MP has interested me for a while, but I have just not got round to reading about her.

Thank you again

Kevin
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Janet Ashton on May 02, 2008, 02:52:52 PM
Tankk you Sveabel,

I have a book by Robert Uhland, which is about Eveline Massenbach's diary, she was a lady-in-waiting to Queen Olga.

I was recently in England where at a friend's I saw the "Zarentochter am Weinmarer Hof", which I have just purcahsed online, along with 2 other books (in German of course) on Maria Pawlowna.

I must admit MP has interested me for a while, but I have just not got round to reading about her.

Thank you again

Kevin

Hi Kevin - If you want a copy of Traum der Jugend,there is currently one on ebay.de.....no bids yet...Actually, as you probably know, the best information in English from this book is in the translations Charlotte Zeepvat has done for a couple of her books. I used Traum der Jugend too in researching about Olga's brother Konstantin - she was thoughtful and insightfl and gave a picture that departs from the usual one of him. I suppose a sister would!
Thanks for the heads-up on Massenbach, which I'd never heard of before.
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Kevin From Australia on May 02, 2008, 03:42:30 PM
Already purchased one off through Abebooks, but thanks for letting me know Janet.

I assume you have the book by Paul Sauer on Vera Constantinova?  "Wenn Liebe meinem Herzen fehlt, fehlt mir die ganze Welt - Herzogin Wera von Wurttemberg, Grossfurstin von Rusland"
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Janet Ashton on May 03, 2008, 02:22:17 PM


I assume you have the book by Paul Sauer on Vera Constantinova?  "Wenn Liebe meinem Herzen fehlt, fehlt mir die ganze Welt - Herzogin Wera von Wurttemberg, Grossfurstin von Rusland"

That's a new one on me - thanks! I'll look out for it....I am still always alert to information on her father.
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 17, 2008, 04:06:46 PM
Hi Everyone,

FYI - Maria Pavlovna is portrayed by Martita Hunt in the old movie "Song Without End" about Franz Liszt.  Dirk Bogart plays Liszt.
In the movie, there's a funny scene at a concert, where Maria chides Nicholas I about being a 'dull conservative'.....  And, when he's nearly asleep - "Wake up, Nicky, you're missing out on life!"....  Too funny!!!

Larry
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Luc on July 21, 2008, 07:15:10 AM
A very interesting article is this, in German, from an exposition about her in Weimar:
http://www.royal-magazin.de/russia/maria-pavlovna.pdf
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on August 05, 2008, 02:20:19 AM
Portraits of GDss Maria Pavlovna

(http://www.rusarchives.ru/pik/events/pavel/kat/182.jpg)

(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/r/o/rostislava/VK-Maria-Pavlovna-1.JPG)



Portraits of Maria Pavlovna, GDss of Saxe-Weimar Eisenach

(http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs39/mariapavlovna1786.jpg)


(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/r/o/rostislava/VK-Maria-Pavlovna-2.JPG)


Portraits of Maria Pavlovna's husband, GD Carl Friedrich of Saxe-Weimar Eisenach

(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/r/o/rostislava/Karl-Fridrih-Caksen-Vejmar-1.JPG)

(http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/r/o/rostislava/Karl-Fridrih-Saksen-Vejmar-2.JPG)
Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: violetta on July 27, 2009, 01:02:03 PM
I`d like to post a few pictures of weimar places connectd with maria pavlovna

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/DSCN0744.jpg)

the burial place of MP, she lies in the orthodox church of weimar, the church is attached to the burial place of the saxe weimar grand ducal family so she is as if united with her german family. the orthodox church was built on the rusiian soil broughin  from russia, her coffin is also on the russian soil





(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/DSCN0742.jpg)


church view from the front






Title: Re: Maria Pawlowna, Großherzogin von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach
Post by: violetta on July 27, 2009, 01:48:01 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/DSCN0787.jpg)

belvedere palace, the residence of maria pavovna & her husband


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/DSCN0757.jpg)

the famous garden in belvedere. as maria pavlovna missed her beloved pavlovsk her husband gave her a present the garden that was the exact replica of the gardens in pavlovsk. this is  marvelous place, believe me!
so romantic! breathtaking

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/DSCN0773.jpg)
another fragment of the garden



(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/DSCN0776.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/DSCN0779.jpg)