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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Mediatized Noble Families => Topic started by: Rani on February 13, 2007, 06:14:48 AM
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Prince Albert Maria Joseph Maximilian Lamoral
* 08. Mai 1867 Regensburg
† 22. 01. 1952 Regensburg
His wife:
Margarete Klementine
Erzherzogin von Österreich
* 06. Juli 1870 Alcsút
† 02. Mai 1955 Regensburg
Wedding 17. Juli 1890 Budapest
Children:
1. FRANZ JOSEF Maximilian Maria Antonius Ignatius Lamoral, Fürst von Thurn und Taxis (Regensburg 21 Dezember 1893-Regensburg 13 Juli 1971); Hochzeit auf Schloss Bronnbach 23 November 1920 mit Elisabeth, Infantin von Portugal (Kleinheubach 19 November 1894-Regensburg 12 Januar 1970)
2. Joseph Albert (Regensburg 4 November 1895-Regensburg 7 Dezember 1895)
3. KARL AUGUST Joseph Maria Maximilian Lamoral Antonius Ignatius Benediktus Valentin, Fürst von Thurn und Taxis (Schloss Garatshausen 23 Juli 1898-Regensburg 26 April 1982);Hochzeit auf Schloss Taxis 18 Aug 1921 mit Infantin Maria Anna of Portugal (Schloss Fischhorn 3 September 1899-Feldafing 23 Juni 1971)
4. Ludwig Philipp Maria Friedrich Joseph Maximilian Antonius Ignatius Lamoral (Regensburg 2 Februar 1901-Schloß Niedereichbach 22 April 1933); Hochzeit in Hohenburg 14 November 1922 mit Elisabeth Prinzessin von Luxemburg und Nassau (Luxemburg 7 März 1901- Hohenburg 2 August 1950)
5. Max Emanuel Maria Siegfried Joseph Antonius Ignatius Lamoral (Regensburg 1 März 1902-Regensburg 3 Oktober 1994), späterer Pater Emmeram
6. Elisabeth Helene Maria Valerie Franziska Maximiliane Antonie (Regensburg 15 Dezember 1903-München 22 Okt 1976)); Hochzeit in Regensburg 16 Juni 1923 mit Friedrich Christian Prinz von Sachsen, Marktgraf von Meißen (Dresden 31 Dezember 1893-Samedan, Graubünden 9 August 1968)
7. Raphael Rainer Karl Maria Joseph Antonius Ignatius Hubertus Lamoral (Regensburg 30 Mai 1906-Schwangau 8 Juni 1993); Hochzeit in Regensburg 24 Mai 1932 mit Margarete Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis (19 Oktober 1913-16 Juni 1997)
8. Philipp Ernst Maria Adalbert Joseph Maximilian Antonius Ignatius Stanislaus Lamoral (Schloss Prüfening 7 Mai 1908-Schloß Hohenberg 23 Juli 1964); Hochzeit auf Schloss Taxis 08 September 1929 mit Eulalia Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis (Schloss Biskupitz 21 Dezember 1908- Hohenberg 30 Dezember 1993)
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Albert, the son of Helene and Maximilian of Thurn and Taxis
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/albert2.jpg)
Margarethe, the wife of Albert
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/tant708.jpg)
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Ah...the good old days when "royals" married the right sort of people...one longs for such long gone days!
Arturo Beéche
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/Wittelsbach/maggie.jpg)
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Nice image of Furstin Margaretha, there are more pictures of her in fancy dresses. In most of the photos she looks quite man-like.
I like this family picture. So many boys, looks amazing.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/FurstAlbrecht_family--.jpg)
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"...In most of the photos she looks quite man-like."
That´s hard! But it´s right...
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(http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/6/30/f_50522495m_d848997.jpg)
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/maggietut.jpg)
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Rani, do you have some pictures of her children as adults?
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/maggietut.jpg)
What a beautiful picture! I like so much pictures of these kind of "regal ladies" wearing their most wonderful jewels ;)
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(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/MargarethevonThurnundTaxis.jpg)
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Prince Franz Joseph
(http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/6/30/f_franzjosephm_4d4112e.jpg)
Princess Elisabeth (there is thread about here)
(http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/6/30/f_elisabeth01m_f70a08f.jpg)
Prince Max Emanuel, later Pater Emmeram
(http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/6/30/f_emmam_a282da7.jpg)
Prince Raphael
(http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/6/30/f_raphaelthurm_911782c.jpg)
Prince Philipp Ernst with his bride Eulalia
(http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/4/6/30/f_ernstm_db89a86.jpg)
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(http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/6/30/f_karlmaria01m_32ae59d.jpg)
Karl August and Maria
(Damn watermark)
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Margaretha with her sister Marie Dorothea
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/4eba_1.jpg)
Furstin Margaretha
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/FurstinMargaretha.jpg)
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Nice pictures, Svetabel ! Both ladies were not "typical" beauties...
Are there any photos of Margareth with her younger sisters Elisabeth (1883-1958) and Klothilde (1884-1903)?
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(http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/7/1/f_jozseffoherm_3a6427a.jpg)
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"...In most of the photos she looks quite man-like."
That´s hard! But it´s right...
...and at the same time some contemporaries said Furstin Margaretha resembled Queen Marie Antoinette!!..well, if only a very slight resemblance in profile...
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Germany/rene002.jpg)
Margarethe
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This photo is a little bit kinky.
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/4aa0_1.jpg)
A postcard to an anniversary.
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/ral-v.jpg)
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ADss Margareth looks like a Chritmas Tree.
A second Queen Mary.
Two, let's say, not very beautiful women charged as much as they can to hide what nature deprived them of, focusing on the bling.
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Very lovely photos. :)
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Nice pictures, Svetabel ! Both ladies were not "typical" beauties...
Are there any photos of Margareth with her younger sisters Elisabeth (1883-1958) and Klothilde (1884-1903)?
I think neither of Klotilde's daughters were typical beauties. Klotilde when she was young looked more nice than her daughters. For me still the most lovely one was Elisabeth who remained single while her sisters Dorothea and Margaretha did good marriages to rich Princes. Their sister, the plain Klotilde died young never married.
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(http://i39.tinypic.com/nx3r6g.jpg)
Albert with Franz Joseph and Karl August (or Ludwig Philipp?)
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Wonderful pictures, Rani, please post some others! :)
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Margarethe, the wife of Albert
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/tant708.jpg)
[/quote] The tiara which was made for the Empress Eugenie was in the sale of the French Crown Jewels in 1887.A century later it returned to the Louvre when sold by Sothebys in the great Thurn und Taxis sale.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Germany/rene002.jpg)
Margarethe
The gems in this picture were emeralds and with the exception of the large stomacher are still in the Thurn und Taxis collection.
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(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/mamg.jpg)
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/doromargit.jpg)
Maria Dorothea and Margit
Margit was relly a beautiful child, but later I don´t know...
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Margarethe Klementine as (?Marie Antoinette?):
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Archduchesses/Margarete_of_Thurn_und_Taxis.jpg)
-Duke of NJ
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Margarethe Klementine as (?Marie Antoinette?):
[Duke of NJ
Yes, as Marie Antoinette, we had discussed this question earlier. Her family considered she had a resemblance to ill-famous Queen of France. IMO only very slight resemblance in profile.
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The family of the Tuscany branch of Hapsburg's thought Louisa of Tuscany (later Crown Princess of Saxony and later X-Crown Princess) looked like Marie Antoinette of France, or was that just interested in queen's life, like how Alix of Russia (nee Hesse) was? I don't know. :P
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It is interesting to note that she signed her name "Margit" on photos instead of Margarethe, does anyone know which pronunciation (Hungarian or German) she used with her family after marriage?
-Duke of NJ
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It is interesting to note that she signed her name "Margit" on photos instead of Margarethe, does anyone know which pronunciation (Hungarian or German) she used with her family after marriage?
-Duke of NJ
I guess that "Fürstin Margarethe" was her official name and that she was called "Margit" by family members. In Germany "Margit" is a common nickname for "Margarethe", but it is also a name for its own.
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Margit is also ungarian version of Margarethe...
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Margit is also ungarian version of Margarethe...
Right. As Margarethe Clémentine was a member of the Hungarian branch of the family and grew up in Hungary, I guess that she was called Margit by her family and relatives as well as later on by her husband and the Thurn und Taxis family.
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Well it does make sense. Hungarian nickname for Margarethe whom was an Archduchess of Austria-Hungary. A lot of royals were nicknamed by the people and family members. Kings of France with the named Louis was called "King Louie".
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"Louie" was NOT a nickname...... it is the correct French pronunciation for "Louis," since the final "s" is not sounded. You are mistakenly transliterating "Louis" into the Anglicized "Louie," as you hear it. Do/did you not study French in High School, or do/did you opt for Spanish? Regards, AP
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I take no language class in high school. I know English, and some words in other languages- Italian, Russian and German.
And I don't really appreciated your rude reply of what i thought was true.
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Thank you for a most interesting and telling response! I see that you understood my point. Regards, AP
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Well...not really nice of me to call you rude..but I found it unpleasant. No your right about it.
Next time I'll check if it true before posting.
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They all seem to have the same nose, generation after generation..........aT&T trait?
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They all seem to have the same nose, generation after generation..........aT&T trait?
I think THE nose came from the Coburg inheritance (mother of Margarethe).
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Oh, yes!!
Klothilde
(http://i40.tinypic.com/vgltt3.jpg)
Amalie in Bavaria, neé Coburg
(http://i40.tinypic.com/25ppied.jpg)
But Klothilde was beautiful.
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Albert and Franz
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/11f56f83.jpg)
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Oh, yes!!
Klothilde
(http://i40.tinypic.com/vgltt3.jpg)
Amalie in Bavaria, neé Coburg
(http://i40.tinypic.com/25ppied.jpg)
But Klothilde was beautiful.
Yes, and also their three brothers , Phillipe, August and Ferdinand inherited their mother's nose. Clementine was an Orleans Princess so I think this trait came from that side of the family.
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Louis Philippe
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Foto0103.jpg)
Of all sons of Albert, he is my favourite one. It´s a pity that he died so young.
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Can I ask why he is your favourite? : ) Handsome?
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I don´t know. He was so weird :)
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Young Albert and Margarethe Klementine:
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Hapsburgs/th_Albert_tt_herceg_1888-ban_MC3A1ria_.jpg) (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Hapsburgs/?action=view¤t=Albert_tt_herceg_1888-ban_MC3A1ria_.jpg)
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Hapsburgs/th_Margit_eskC3BCvC591.jpg) (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Hapsburgs/?action=view¤t=Margit_eskC3BCvC591.jpg)
-Duke of NJ
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Here is an article about Gloria and her castle.
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/famliy.jpg)
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/detail.jpg)
Above the heads you can see a detail of a Helene portait. Theres is a little picture near Albert, could it be Elisabeth or Helene?
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Two paintings from Margit
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/13846_72b32a1f_13.jpg)
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/13849_98f13708_4.jpg)
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Her mother looks great for her age...what kind of relations does "the family" have with Countess Anabel von Schönburg-Glauchau,Gloria's half-sister?
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Her mother looks great for her age...what kind of relations does "the family" have with Countess Anabel von Schönburg-Glauchau,Gloria's half-sister?
Once there was a series about royal persons living in Bavaria in our regional newspaper. One of these articles was dedicated to Anabel who was also interviewed due to this occasion. She told that she was in contact with Gloria, but not regularly. When she was younger she sometimes went on vacation with Gloria and her children.
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I hope that there is in a few years a new princess of Thurn und Taxis. An older article http://www.focus.de/panorama/boulevard/thurn-und-taxis_aid_136925.html
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Great photos and lovely portaits in the schloss...I also find interesting an article about the relationship between Albert and Gloria...she wanted to teach them about real life,which is great...maybe she still remembers that her family lost everything and she was just a ''normal'' person before her marriage!
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(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/maggie9.jpg)
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Love those new images...thank you!First time I see a portrait of Margarethe...she had rather strong features and great personality...Don't know that much about Gutav and Caroline though
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Based on your contributions in this forum and information from other sources, I launched a Wikipedia entry on Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Thurn_und_Taxis). Looking forward to your contributions to further improve the page. Best wishes, Allan
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The letters of Paul to Ludwig are all cited from Desmond Chapman-Huston’s book. He lived in Bavaria in the 1930s and became close to María del Pilar Princess of Bavaria (1891–1987), daughter of Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria of Bavaria. Through this connection to the Wittelsbach Family, he was able to get access to the Secret Archives before they were heavily destroyed during World War II.
Chapman-Huston went also to the Regensburg Archives of the Thurn und Taxis Family, but couldn’t find any trace of Paul there (see page 42 of his book).
Some references to Paul can be found in the letter exchanges between Ludwig and Cosima Wagner, with Ludwig calling once Paul’s wife as ‘ugly’, although in other references she was cited as very beautiful.
I doubt that Heinrich is really Paul’s son since his birth date is June 30, 1867, but Edir Grein mentioned that both met in middle of November 1866 only. Heinrich was obviously left behind with his father when Elise eloped with a Prussian officer in 1878:
“Now among the mediatized princes, no member of the reigning house may marry without the consent of the Family Council. A good many years later, in the winter of 1877-8, we were at Freiburg. At the theatre the prima donna was a Frau von Fels. Her husband was actually a Prince Thurn u. Taxis. He had fallen in love with a Jewess who sang in the Opera, and only obtained leave of his family to marry her, on condition that he renounced his title and name, and agreed that his children, if any, should have no claims on the family estates. He agreed to these harsh terms and married her. After a while he fell into a decline, and went with her to Lugano, where he grew worse, and took to his bed. She formed a liaison with a Prussian officer, staying at the same hotel, and eloped with him, leaving her husband, who had given up so much for her, to die unbefriended, and her little son—motherless” Early Reminiscences, Baring-Gould http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Early_Reminiscences.djvu/80
Baring-Gould mentions her again in his “Further Reminiscences 1864 to 1894 “
…(Freiburg, 1877)….Acting in the theatre as a prima donna was a Frau von Fels. She was a handsome Jewess. Herr von Fels was actually a Prince of Thurn und Taxis, but forfeited his title so as to marry her. I have told the story in the fifth chapter of my Early Reminiscences . She exacted from her husband that, whenever she acted, he should throw a bouqet on to the stage at her feet, and get his friends to do the same. “
Earlier, Paul tried to get rehabilitated by his family and visited his father together with his wife on August 3, 1869 (http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?apm=0&aid=nfp&datum=18690811&seite=14&zoom=2
newspaper clipping from Vienna), but obviously to no avail.
I found another newspaper clipping of 1874 (from New Zealand!), which states that Helene of Thurn und Taxis tries to connect Paul to Ludwig again for him to become the future Marshal of the Royal Palace and Master of the Revels of castle Herrenchiemsee, but obviously this didn’t push through (see http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=BH18741204.2.4&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0-all for the whole article).
I was able to trace his grave site in Cannes, but unfortunately, the grave was abandoned in 1998. I tried to investigate who paid for the grave and maintained it over the years, but wasn’t given an answer since I am not a family member.
There are many more traces of Paul still to be discovered.
I am deeply touched by the story of his live – he became a victim of Ludwig’s erratic and immature emotional condition, a victim of his family who deprived him of his name and title, and - in the end - a victim of his wife who - despite of all the sacrifices he suffered for her - abandoned him in the final weeks of his life when he needed her most.
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I am also interested in the Other Helene of Thurn & Taxis, who was a cousin of Paul and lady-in-waiting of Sisi.
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Last Saturday Princess Elisabeth von Thurn und Taxis attended the German television show 'Wetten, dass..?' to promote her book 'Fromm!' - unfortunately nobody has ever mentioned the title.
(http://i33.tinypic.com/21mf5s6.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/330wf47.jpg)
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Like a younger version of her mother Gloria TNT...before she became religious.
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A website of Inigo von Urach, the great-great-grandson of Helene, and the son of Iniga von Urach.
http://thomas-sz.com/web_adel/urach_wuerttemberg/frame_urach_wuerttemberg.html
There are few photos of Iniga and Anselm.
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(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/18638346-w-600.jpg)
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/18638361-w-600.jpg)
Gloria with Georg Gänswein ( they would make a nice couple :), but he his the personal secretary of Pope Benedict XVI.)
(fotos by Heike Armbruster)
My favourite photo of Gloria
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/ThomasSchweigert3.jpg)
(foto by Thomas Schweigert)
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Gloria and Johannes. Watermark is from the forum i moderate
(http://i47.tinypic.com/6elr0w.jpg)
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Johannes`s 60th birthday. The party was in the Regensburg castle, 1986
(http://i50.tinypic.com/v3oc5w.jpg)
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A good link
http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/thurn-taxis/emerald-ruby-choker2.htm
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Johannes`s 60th birthday. The party was in the Regensburg castle, 1986
(http://i50.tinypic.com/v3oc5w.jpg)
I´ve read in her book about this birthday. And of course about this famous birthday cake. Haha
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according what it says in the picture, the guy who was interviewed said it was "The party of the century". I can imagine how it was and i feel terrible mad ane envious cause i wasnt there! xDDD
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Gloria and Johannes. Watermark is from the forum i moderate
(http://i47.tinypic.com/6elr0w.jpg)
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/famiy.jpg)
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Thanksss, I have almost now a Thurn und Taxis database:)
Margarethe, Albert and her sister Elisabeth
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/aem.jpg)
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Margarethe, Albert and her sister Elisabeth
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/aem.jpg)
Wow, I'm deeply impressed. :-) Pictures of Archduchess Elisabeth are extremely rare ... I guess I've only seen photos of Elisabeth with her sister Clotilde as a child. Anyway, there is a huge family resemblance, above all their "wonderful" noses à la Clémentine. :-)
Rani, do you know anything about Elisabeth's time in Regensburg?
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Margarethe, Albert and her sister Elisabeth
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/aem.jpg)
Wow, I'm deeply impressed. :-) Pictures of Archduchess Elisabeth are extremely rare ... I guess I've only seen photos of Elisabeth with her sister Clotilde as a child. Anyway, there is a huge family resemblance, above all their "wonderful" noses à la Clémentine. :-)
Rani, do you know anything about Elisabeth's time in Regensburg?
No, sorry. But I can give you a link to an old Hungarian newspaper: http://epa.oszk.hu/html/vgi/kardexlap.phtml?id=30
There are many articles about Margarethe and her family. Maybe there is an article about Elisabeth.
Did you know that Raphael was a chauffeur of the Nazis??
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Engagement picture of Margarethe Klementine and Albert
(http://i46.tinypic.com/zlw7xy.jpg)
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Margarethe, Albert, Louis and Maria of Luxemburg
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/hemaschlgru1.jpg)
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Wonder about the date on the photo.
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mid-late 1910s? Im just wondering looking at her clothes.
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Looks like a stroll after dinner. The occation seem to be part of a celebration or maybe a wedding.
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29.08.1925
The other people are relatives. The photo was shoot at the Niederaichbach castle.
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29.08.1925
The other people are relatives. The photo was shoot at the Niederaichbach castle.
Did Louis Philippe live with the Luxemburg family? He died there in 1933. It's a pity that his wife Elisabeth isn't pictured - or is she the woman in black? It's just too blurry.
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29.08.1925
The other people are relatives. The photo was shoot at the Niederaichbach castle.
Did Louis Philippe live with the Luxemburg family? He died there in 1933. It's a pity that his wife Elisabeth isn't pictured - or is she the woman in black? It's just too blurry.
It looks like a monk..hmm
Louis lived there with his family. I think they visited the family. On the homepage of Niederaichbach is a sweet photo of Anselm
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/chronik2.jpg)
After Louis death, Elisabeth moved away.
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Outstanding and beautiful Gloria. 1987
(http://i50.tinypic.com/dxbneg.jpg)
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The Rock & Roll Punk Princess.
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Painting of Elisabeth Helene
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/GEMLDE.jpg)
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And a cute image of Elisabeth Helene
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2hs2ae0.jpg)
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Painting of Elisabeth Helene
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/GEMLDE.jpg)
Love it!Is there any other where one could see it better?Where is it?
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where is this portrait located ?
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Painting of Elisabeth Helene
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/GEMLDE.jpg)
Love it!Is there any other where one could see it better?Where is it?
It´s in St. Emmeram. It´s just a detail of a picture. So I can´t give a better version sorry!
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Thank you ;) I like it very much..if you find something more,please post ;)
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I visit there before and did not see it. Maybe it was in the private quarters. The family still lived there when I visited the State Rooms.
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I visit there before and did not see it. Maybe it was in the private quarters. The family still lived there when I visited the State Rooms.
It´s in the servery room.
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Maybe I should make another trip to Regensburg. ;)
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Gloria
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5945/fuerstingloriavonthurnu.jpg)
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Prinzessin Amalie von Thurn und Taxis (1876–1930), niece of Helene
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/amalie-1.jpg)
married to Erbgraf Carl August Konstantin von Görtz (1877–1911)
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(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/IMAGE0012-1.jpg)
You can see a photo of Helene with Max and their sons. It was in the Sothebys aution.
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In St.Emmeram
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/raum9.jpg)
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Wow ! No wonder Gloria TNT said they have lots more of that in storage...Sisi and her siblings memorabilia...
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Yes, they have so much photos and paintings of them. Particularly Sisi is everywhere. Albert adored her and FJ. Sisi was nicer to him then to her son.
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Sisi was a beloved aunt and no Archduchess Sofie to steal their affection. Another reason was the close bond between Sisi & Nene. Only they spoke English to each other as a secret language (Marie, Mathilde & Sophie did not seemed to be fluent in English).
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(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/raum9.jpg)
I really would love to see a bigger version of the painting of the girls in red. I guess they are Sophie and Maria Anna of Bavaria, Ludovica should be next to them. There is a copy of it in the castle of Tegernsee - or is the one at St. Emmeram the copy?
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I have seen that of the girls in red but can't find it anywhere Sad Someone has posted in somewhere on this board but not sure where
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I have seen that of the girls in red but can't find it anywhere :( Someone has posted in somewhere on this board but not sure where
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I have seen that of the girls in red but can't find it anywhere :( Someone has posted in somewhere on this board but not sure where
I don't think that it has been posted before.
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(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/toechter_max_I_01.jpg) (http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/toechter_max_I_02.jpg)
Image one: Elisabeth, Amalia and Maximiliane
Image two: Ludovika, Maria and Sophie
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Interview with Glorias sister Maya, she is so stupid (in my opinion)
http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article2910623/Sex-wird-doch-voellig-ueberbewertet.html
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Thanks Rani, I'm thrilled! :-)
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Margarethe C.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2elum47.jpg)
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Love those beaded flowing gowns ! They look so romantic. They should bring them back...
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She was not beautiful, but voguish!
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I am talking about the look and the dress...
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I know, but I mean it generally.
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Margaret was lucky, she had money & taste. With elegant clothes and a husband who loves to give her jewels, she was sure to stand out among princesses.
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Hi!
Are there pics of Viktoria Edelsbacher de Gyorok? She was the wife of Egon Thurn und Taxis, brother of Max Anton.
Thanks
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Unfortunately,there are no pictures of her on the web so far...her family name was Viktoria EdelsPacher de Gyoryok,lived from 1841-1895...she was one of the owners of medieval fortress Grobnik now in Croatia.She bought the castle in 1872 from the Batthyány family and upon her death was in possession of her son Albrecht(it is said Albrecht but I never found any of her sons named Albrecht just Maximilian Egon and Viktor so I assume the last owner was Viktor as he died last of her sons in 1928) von Thurn und Taxis until 1924 when it became the property of the muncipality and in 1945 it became nationalised...here are few pictures of Princess Viktoria's castle:
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Pity!
Thanks for the pics of her castle!
Egon. He looks totally like Max Anton.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/29wwtxw.jpg)
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(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/PRINCEALEXANDERTHURNANDTAXISANDFRAN.jpg) (http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/B307680T4437376.jpg)
Is the man on the first photo, the guy on the second photo?
I know that the man on the first photo is Prince Alexander.
Thanks
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Here is a picture of Viktoria thanks to Beladona:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/ThTaxEdels.jpg)
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Thank you very, very much!!
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Rani,if you look more closely to the photo it seems that you were right when you have written her family name as Edelsbacher de Gyorok and that genealogy sites and me were wrong when they say it's EdelsPacher...
If you look more carefully it is written:"Victoria Taxis Edelsbacher"
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I can read Taxis Edelsbacher on the photo. But the word before Taxis is not Victoria. I would say it´s the short form of Prinzessin. Or not?
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I can read Taxis Edelsbacher on the photo. But the word before Taxis is not Victoria. I would say it´s the short form of Prinzessin. Or not?
Yes, it looks like "Prssin". Could be the appreviation of the German word "Prinzessin".
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Good eyes...I agree,but never the less it is written EdelsBacher and not EdelsPacher...
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No, the first letter is a S (in Old German "Gothic" handwriting).
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Deutsche_Kurrentschrift.jpg/600px-Deutsche_Kurrentschrift.jpg)
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Could be,but the last 4 letters were "ssin"...Could the letter P be written similarly with S and that this way of personal handwriting is making confusion?Everyone of us doesn't write as written in the vocabulary...we all have our way of writing certain letters...
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Could be,but the last 4 letters were "ssin"...Could the letter P be written similarly with S and that this way of personal handwriting is making confusion?Everyone of us doesn't write as written in the vocabulary...we all have our way of writing certain letters...
I agree it's possible, but that would be an unusual P. The loop is just so typical of an Old German capital S.
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Its a "P" and the word means indeed Prinzessin - its not the "Old German Script" but a more modern form, so the alphabet posted above is not concerned to it!
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Its a "P" and the word means indeed Prinzessin - its not the "Old German Script" but a more modern form, so the alphabet posted above is not concerned to it!
OK, thanks for confirming that!
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Max Anton
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2qkk02f.jpg)
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Nice painting of Nene's handsome husband. I don't think this was in the Sotheby's sale.
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he was super handsome!
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/152/princemaxthurnundtaxisos2.jpg)
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Nice painting of Nene's handsome husband. I don't think this was in the Sotheby's sale.
No! Gloria didn´t sell everything. The uncle of Johannes, Max Emanuel, was angry about her, because she made this auction.
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Albrecht
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2870w0w.jpg)
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Alberts was really fashion-conscious.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/1zx84tf.jpg)
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Has anyone a picture of Karl Ludwig von Thurn und Taxis (1863-1942)?
He was the husband of Maria Teresa of Portugal/Braganza.
One of the many T&T-Braganza Marriages. ;)
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I think I did not see a photo of him either.
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Has anyone a picture of Karl Ludwig von Thurn und Taxis (1863-1942)?
He was the husband of Maria Teresa of Portugal/Braganza.
One of the many T&T-Braganza Marriages. ;)
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2815.210
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Thank you Rani!
:-*
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Franz Joseph and karl August, sons of Albert:
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2483/copiadefranzjosephykarl.jpg)
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Margarethe:
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)
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Margarethe:
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)
Her waist is really heavy! But the photo is nice, thanks!
Later she looked like a man!
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Franz Joseph and karl August, sons of Albert:
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2483/copiadefranzjosephykarl.jpg)
Franz looks like in the 60´s! Cute!!
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Agreed, she had masculine features, it got worst with age...
A different pose from the one posted in page 2:
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)
Margarethe in 1908:
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)
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Albert:
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7985/copiadealbertthurntaxis.jpg)
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Could it be that Albert looks a little bit like Karl Theodor? The good-looking version??
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Does anyone know something about Maria Teresas son Maximilian (Wien 24 Dez 1913-Wien 16 Feb 1928) ??
thanks
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Could it be that Albert looks a little bit like Karl Theodor? The good-looking version??
I can't see any resemblance. And I also don't think that Carl Theodor wasn't good looking. In my opinion he was quite handsome as a young man. Later he looked ill in some way and was too skinny, that's true.
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Albert, Margarethe and family
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)
In old age
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9643/margaretheyalbert818ala.jpg)
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In her workshop:
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7665/margarethethurntaxisb23.jpg)
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/720/margarethethurntaxisc2d.jpg)
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Found in the Austria Archives this wonderful portrait of a princess Bensie (?) of Thurn und Taxis............now I've seen they often use nicknames, but who could this be?
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/annoshowCARI5A53.jpg)
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Could it be Felicitas Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis??
Born 16 January 1889, died 3 March 1934
Or Gabriele Gräfin Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau, wife of Erich Thurn und Taxis?
Born 28 March 1883, died 28 October 1970
Or Luise von Thurn und Taxis, daughter of Franz Thurn und Taxis and cousin of Felicitas Taxis.
Born 4 May 1887, died 4 March 1949
Or (what I think) Mathilde von Thurn und Taxis, daugther of Egon Thurn und Taxis. She died only with 38 in Vienna. And her father was a member of the Vienna court, also in Hungary, because his wife Viktoria was from Hungary. And on the newspaper stands "Wien-Budapest"
Born 21 February 1874, died 7 May 1912 Vienna.
Also she looks like Vicktoria Edelsbacher: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14575.0
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I've enlarged the picture a bit....and I think you are right! What a wonderful finding!!!! There are a few lines in the paper further on, where it says that this princess Bensie frequently visited the Wiener salons....
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/annoshowCARI5A53-kopie.jpg)
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/bensie.jpg)
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Could it be Felicitas Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis??
Born 16 January 1889, died 3 March 1934
Or Gabriele Gräfin Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau, wife of Erich Thurn und Taxis?
Born 28 March 1883, died 28 October 1970
Or Luise von Thurn und Taxis, daughter of Franz Thurn und Taxis and cousin of Felicitas Taxis.
Born 4 May 1887, died 4 March 1949
Or (what I think) Mathilde von Thurn und Taxis, daugther of Egon Thurn und Taxis. She died only with 38 in Vienna. And her father was a member of the Vienna court, also in Hungary, because his wife Viktoria was from Hungary. And on the newspaper stands "Wien-Budapest"
Born 21 February 1874, died 7 May 1912 Vienna.
Also she looks like Vicktoria Edelsbacher: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14575.0
Felicitas I think not, since she would be at most 14 years old in the picture, , Luise would be 16....not really an age to frequent the Wiener salons and about Gabriele, this magazina always puts the maiden name if they are married into a family, so I guess that rules out Gabriele as well.........
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Very much look alike Viktoria von Thurn und Taxis:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/ThTaxEdels.jpg
Again,not sure but my guess is that she could be her daughter Princess Mathilde!
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(http://i44.tinypic.com/20icnq0.jpg)
Maria Theresia and Luisa are really look similar. In my opinion.
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They also look like their mother Gloria ! :-) :)
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They also look like their mother Gloria ! :-) :)
I think Albert looks a lot like his mother. The girls seem to be a good mixture of Johannes and Gloria.
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Yes. That is a fair accessment. ;)
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(http://i40.tinypic.com/168bi35.jpg)
From the left: Max Emanuel, son Philipp, Horst Seehofer a German politician, Max Emanuels wife Christa, son Hubertus and unknown
Max is the son of Raphael and Rita of Thurn und Taxis. Really interesting.
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I read that Bensie died because she had a cardiac insufficiency. Before she had an accident at the skating rink and broke her leg. She died at the hospital.
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Albert
(http://i48.tinypic.com/hriwpu.jpg)
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This is one of my favorite images of Gloria. she looks complety stunning!
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2jg1k0m.jpg)
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The rubies are stunning
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If someone has pictures of the other daughters, it would be great!
There are no other daughters, since she only had 2 brothers....of the brothers I have nothing, but I do have one of her sister in law Princess Lida....(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/1875lidanicollsx1876victorthurnundt.jpg)
Egon Maximilian Lamoral (Regensburg 17 Nov 1832-Vienna 8 Feb 1892); m.Écska 11 Nov 1871 Viktoria Edelspacher de Gyoryok (bap Arad 11 May 1841, d.Baltavár 17 Aug 1895)
1e) Maximilain Egon (Écska 15 Jun 1872-Vienna 5 Jan 1920)
2e) Mathilde (Écska 21 Feb 1874-Vienna 7 May 1912)
3e) Viktor (Écska 18 Jan 1876-Vienna 28 Jan 1928); m.Uniontown, Pennsylvania 1 Nov 1911 Lida Eleanor Nicholls
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Found some of the other ones too....
Could it be Felicitas Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis??
Born 16 January 1889, died 3 March 1934
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/th_1889-1934FelicitasThurnundTaxis2.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/?action=view¤t=1889-1934FelicitasThurnundTaxis2.jpg) (http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/th_1889-1934FelicitasThurnundTaxis.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/?action=view¤t=1889-1934FelicitasThurnundTaxis.jpg)
Or Gabriele Gräfin Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau, wife of Erich Thurn und Taxis?
Born 28 March 1883, died 28 October 1970
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/th_ErichandhiswifeGabrielecountessKins.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/?action=view¤t=ErichandhiswifeGabrielecountessKins.jpg)
Or Luise von Thurn und Taxis, daughter of Franz Thurn und Taxis and cousin of Felicitas Taxis.
Born 4 May 1887, died 4 March 1949
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/th_ThrnuTaxisPrssLuise1887-1949.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/?action=view¤t=ThrnuTaxisPrssLuise1887-1949.jpg)
Or (what I think) Mathilde von Thurn und Taxis, daugther of Egon Thurn und Taxis. She died only with 38 in Vienna. And her father was a member of the Vienna court, also in Hungary, because his wife Viktoria was from Hungary. And on the newspaper stands "Wien-Budapest"
Born 21 February 1874, died 7 May 1912 Vienna.
Also she looks like Vicktoria Edelsbacher: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14575.0
Felicitas I think not, since she would be at most 14 years old in the picture, , Luise would be 16....not really an age to frequent the Wiener salons and about Gabriele, this magazina always puts the maiden name if they are married into a family, so I guess that rules out Gabriele as well.........
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If someone has pictures of the other daughters, it would be great!
There are no other daughters, since she only had 2 brothers....of the brothers I have nothing, but I do have one of her sister in law Princess Lida....http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/1875lidanicollsx1876victorthurnundt.jpg
Egon Maximilian Lamoral (Regensburg 17 Nov 1832-Vienna 8 Feb 1892); m.Écska 11 Nov 1871 Viktoria Edelspacher de Gyoryok (bap Arad 11 May 1841, d.Baltavár 17 Aug 1895)
1e) Maximilain Egon (Écska 15 Jun 1872-Vienna 5 Jan 1920)
2e) Mathilde (Écska 21 Feb 1874-Vienna 7 May 1912)
3e) Viktor (Écska 18 Jan 1876-Vienna 28 Jan 1928); m.Uniontown, Pennsylvania 1 Nov 1911 Lida Eleanor Nicholls
I confused her family with the family of Adolf.
And thanks for the photo.
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(http://i32.tinypic.com/281a0lv.jpg)
I found this detail on a photo from a room in St. Emmeram. Who could the woman and man be?
Thanks!
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Maybe a close friend ?
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Maybe it´s Princess Helene and husband Count Rudolf Erwein von Schoenborn-Wiesentheid. I didn´t see any photos of him.
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Dr. phil. Wolfgang Baumann is writing a book about Margit! He is from Regensburg and owns an antiquarian bookshop and art gallery. I don´t know when it is already, but it´s cool.
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Louise
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6776/lhs.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/lhs.jpg/)
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Which Louise is this one ?
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Helenes daughter. She must be 50 there.
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Margarete
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7438/mvtut.jpg) (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/mvtut.jpg/)
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Love the picture and the poise of Margarethe...one can sense that she was proud of being a royal!
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A diplomat described her later in the 50´s: She bowled with the one hand and had her tiara in the other hand.
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Ah...the good old days when "royals" married the right sort of people...one longs for such long gone days!
Arturo Beéche
I noticed that many people want Royal-Royal marriages again. The last RR-wedding was with Philippe and Mathilde of Belgium, Marie Christine of Austria and the Count of Limburg, if I am right. But I think Mette Marit is a good example for learning how to be a future queen. Maxima is really loved by the Netherlands and Daniel will make his way.
I´m sorry for Letizia. She seems like a very nice and charming person, who is a good mother and wife. The pressure from the media is big. And Mary, I don´t know. Many say, she is more royal than the real royals (now she is a royal, too. But you understand what I mean).
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(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/196099.jpg)
with Gabriel, Helene, Fernanda, Anselm, Iniga, Maria Theresia, Mafalda and Clothilde.
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/196100.jpg)
With Franz Joseph, Raphael, Karl August, Louis and Philippe.
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/fotos.jpg)
From an old auction. Albert with FJ and Margit with KA.
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The one and only....Gloria
(http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1322396,00.jpg)
With Pippi Longstockings
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Thurn+Taxis+Castle+Festival+Pippi+Langstrumpf+dKGcNo847SEl.jpg)
I love her. I cant image other royals posing like her!
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The first picture scares me! This psycho look! :)
I think there is still this punk girl in her!
BUNTE cover
1986
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2rfap6t.jpg)
1999
(http://i34.tinypic.com/288v23q.jpg)
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Who was the priest beside her ?
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Don´t know him.
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6069/picturealliance.jpg)
(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/931/gloriathurntaxis5.jpg)
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8830/gloriathurntaxis2.jpg)
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/309/1990schaumburgbonnkanzl.jpg)
(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9681/gloriathurntaxis9.jpg)
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Her son is a carbon copy of her (especially in her younger days in short hair). ;)
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9i doubt that another royal would take a picture of herself like that. Gloria is soo unique! that s why i love her so!
Enjoying a Good meal.
(http://www.wmagazine.com/images/society/2010/07/soar_gloria_h.jpg)
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That´s true. She is really weird, but unique like Katenka said.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img838/6700/gloria89.jpg)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img842/3904/gloria5.jpg)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img833/7619/gloria236.jpg)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img39/4570/gloria49.jpg)
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the jewels...in the first one...**faints**
Im in love with the brooch she s using in this one...
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4344/frisurgloriathurntaxis.jpg)
I found out it belonged to Prince Albretch Von thurn un taxis. Here more info
http://past-royals.blogspot.com/2010/08/jewels-now-and-then-thurn-and-taxis-i.html
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She is one of a kind ! ;)
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Albert was "Bling-Bling". You can see on the page that was posted above a brooch of Helene, it was a gift from Queen Elisabeth of Prussia.
It´s just a pity, that Gloria must sell the family jewels. Prince Max Emanuel, Pater Emmeram, was very angry. But without the auction, the family would be broke today.
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Really ? Thought they still have a massive land portfoilio. Even the girls were expected to inheirit 6 castles each...
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But with debts to the Bavarian state, I don´t know if they would been so rich today.
6 castles?
I would love to see a wedding in the house of TuT! Come on Albert!
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"I need money"
(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5557/gloria79.jpg)
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440086177407&set=a.440077142407.240480.190114177407&ref=fbx_album
;D
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hahahahahaah excellent!! i like him ! he seems to have the same sense of humor of his mother (another royal i adore)
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440086177407&set=a.440077142407.240480.190114177407&ref=fbx_album
You should have posted the one of half-naked Albert and his girlfriend.
I think these pictures are absolutely ridiculous.
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440086177407&set=a.440077142407.240480.190114177407&ref=fbx_album
;D
he is on crack? lol
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440086177407&set=a.440077142407.240480.190114177407&ref=fbx_album
You should have posted the one of half-naked Albert and his girlfriend.
I think these pictures are absolutely ridiculous.
I didn´t want to start with naughty pictures :)
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f78/princely-house-of-thurn-und-taxis-2-july-2008-a-17969-27.html
Thanks to User sofy.
:D
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@ Rani: Actually Albert himself was the one who started those "naughy pictures" ... ;-)
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I didn´t thought he is so.
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Anges_et_d%E9mons/0019.gif)
But his parents weren´t the modest ones. The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree...
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From ebay, two photos of members of the family.
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1865Augsburg.jpg)
A lady, photo from 1865, taken in Augsburg
The woman looks like around 25-28.
So it should be a princess born in the 1830s.
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1865-1.jpg)
A gentleman, 1865, too and taken in München.
The man looks like in his early 20s.
The seller didn´t know the names of the two.
And I have no idea who they could be.
If you know who they are or have ideas, post it :)
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Maybe close relations of Helene of Thurn & Taxis (the lady in waiting of Sisi).
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Margarethe as a nurse
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1961/nurse5.jpg) (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/nurse5.jpg/)
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The sisters
Princess Luise von Thurn und Taxis
Born 21 December 1828 Ansbach
Died 7 January 1916 Wuerzburg
Princess Adelheid von Thurn und Taxis
Born 25 October 1829 Ansbach
Died 7 September 1888 Waal
Princess Sophie von Thurn und Taxis
Born 13 August 1835 Wuerzburg
Died 23 June 1913 Sandizel
Maybe you are right Eric and she is a relative of Helene Kinsky, maybe
Princess Rosa von Thurn und Taxis
Born 22 May 1833 Baja
Died 21 February 1907 Wien
I didn´t see any photo of her.
There is also the sister of Erbprinz Max anton, but they said, she was pretty
Princess Therese von Thurn und Taxis
Born 31 August 1830 Regensburg
Died 10 September 1883 Wobensin
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The young man could be:
Prince Lamoral von Thurn und Taxis (a brother of Helene and Rosa)
Born 13 April 1832 Maria Theresiopel
Died 9 December 1903 Pressburg
Prince Friedrich von Thurn und Taxis (a brother of Helene and Rosa)
Born 10 October 1839 Sarospatak
Died 4 July 1906 Zdounek, Moravia
I don´t think it´s one of Max Antons brothers
Prince Egmont von Thurn und Taxis
Born 28 September 1849 Gleichenberg
Died 28 December 1866 Castle Lautschin
He hasn´t a similarity to Egmonts brother Alexander, husband of Mary of Thurn und Taxis.
IMO both could be siblings of Helene Kinsky.
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(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1865Augsburg.jpg)
To compare: Helene
(http://i33.tinypic.com/1eumq.jpg)
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=5360.0
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Reflexion/U_THIN%7E1.GIF)
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I could be wrong, and he is a brother of Max Anton
Prince Adolf von Thurn und Taxis
Born 26 May 1850 Castle Donaustauf
Died 3 January 1890 Abfalter nr Salzburg
But he must be 15 on the photo??
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I think the young woman bore a resemblence to Helen Kinsky, I would think it could well her her sister...
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Especially the mouth. Could be Rosa.
But I´m not so sure about the Prince.
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What do you know about Rosa of Thurn & Taxis ?
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She was the daughter of
Prince Friedrich von Thurn und Taxis
Born 3 September 1799 Prag
Died 17 January 1857 Venezia, Italy
Married 29 June 1831 Wien
Countess Aurora Batthyany de Nemet-Ujvar, daughter of Count
Vincenz Batthyany de Nemet-Ujvar and Josepha Rudnyak de
Batsfa de Magyar Bel
Born 13 June 1806 Ofen
Died 18 September 1881 Ischl
She had 6 siblings
Prince Lamoral von Thurn und Taxis
Born 13 April 1832 Maria Theresiopel
Died 9 December 1903 Pressburg
Married 22 April 1871 Pressburg
Countess Antonia Schaffgotsch, Freiin zu Kynast und
Greiffenstein, daughter of Count Friedrich Schaffgotsch,
Freiherr zu Kynast und Greiffenstein and Countess Therese
Palffy ab Erdod
Born 18 July 1850 Bruenn
Died 26 March 1942 Castle Biskupitz
Princess Helene von Thurn und Taxis
Born 15 May 1836 Saros-Patak
Died 13 November 1901 Wien
Married 15 May 1871 Wien
Count Wolfgang Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau, son of Count
Joseph Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau and Countess Marie
Czernin von und zu Chudenitz
Born 19 January 1836 Wien
Died 14 December 1885 Meran
Princess Laura von Thurn und Taxis
Born 6 July 1838 Sarospatak
Died 29 July 1838 Sarospatak
Prince Friedrich von Thurn und Taxis
Born 10 October 1839 Sarospatak
Died 4 July 1906 Zdounek, Moravia
Married 30 April 1872 Wien
Countess Maria von Thun und Hohenstein, daughter of Count
Friedrich von Thun und Hohenstein and Countess Leopoldine
von Lamberg, Freiin von Stein und Guttenberg
Born 6 August 1850 Frankfurt am Main
Died 29 August 1929 Zdounek
Prince Arthur von Thurn und Taxis
Born 31 July 1842 Prosenitz
Died 7 October 1848 Prag
Princess Irene Maria von Thurn und Taxis
Born 27 April 1847
Died 18 August 1847 Kosir
From Royaltyguide.nl
Grave of Rosa and her mother
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7149/thurnundtaxis3.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9086/thurn20und20taxis2.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4393/aurorabattyanyfrauvonha.jpg
That´s all. ;D
I hope I find new infos.
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Thanks for the info. I think based primarily on the physical similarities at this point, I think we could state that the lady in the first photo "most likely" would have been Princess Rosa von Thurn & Taxis, pending on more information. ;)
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Margarethe as a nurse
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My beloved Gloria
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1397/83448828.jpg) (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/83448828.jpg/)
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She was a surgical nurse ? I am impressed ! How long did she got trained ?
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1914 when the WWI began, Margarethe asked her husband for a military hospital with 120 beds, it was especially for serious casualty. And there she got a schooling as a nurse's aide. She worked as a surgery nurse till 1920.
By Theodor Kärner
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Margarethe as a nurse
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1961/nurse5.jpg) (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/nurse5.jpg/)
Even in nurse clothes, she wore jewels!(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/lol1.gif)
What a great woman.
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She became a grand dame as her husband had wished her to be.
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On their Diamond wedding 1950
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/heleneinbayern/wedding/paar.jpg)
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1987
http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/ndr_talk_show/media/ndrtalkshowgloria102.html
"I don´t know why I don´t get pregnant. Maybe God doesn´t want that I have more children. But I´m ready like scouts."
http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/ndr_talk_show/media/ndrtalkshowgloria100.html
"The Germans are generous. You know Africa live off our money"
http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/ndr_talk_show/videos/videoclassics/ndrtalkshowclassics180.html
more
She is so gaga. But I like her.
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An old sketch of Princess Viktoria's Grobnik Castle:
http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotografija/albums/userpics/10001/24-Grobnik-Frankopanski_grad.jpg
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(http://www.epochtimes.de/pics/2008/01/19/xxl/2008-01-19-xxl--20080119194317_DEU_KARNEVAL_AACHEN_ORDEN_AAC101.jpg)
51st birthday of Gloria!
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Does anyone have bigger version of this picture of Princess Juliane von Thurn und Taxis,born Countess von Einsiedel?
http://www.hampel-auctions.com/img/auktionen/A46/s/Hampel-44137031.jpg
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Picture of Ozalj Castle,once property of Thurn und Taxis family,that was gifted to Croatian people by Prince Albert due to the idea of "Croatian Dragon brothers"...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Ozalj_Castle_Aerial_view.jpg
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She was not beautiful, but voguish!
I agree, Rani. She was definitely not a classical beauty. But a nice a generous woman, though.
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Does anyone have more info on Marie of Thurn und Taxis - Hohenlohe? Who were her parents? I only know that she wrote letters with Rainer Maria Rilke and there are even books out there. And I only have one photo of her:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/thurn1-200.jpg)
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She was daughter of Prince Egon von Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Schillingsfürst and Countess Theresia Maria Beatrix von Thurn-Hofer und Valsassina(daughter of Count Johann Baptist Thurn-Hofer und Valsassina and Countess Polissena Brigido)...Marie herself is a descendant of Thurn und Taxis family,as her father's grandmother was Princess Elisabeth von Thurn und Taxis...
Unfortunately,I don't know much about her life,but I think some of the fellow posters could find something more about her...
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Thanks so much, Marc. That already helps a lot. :-)
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Does anyone know anything about Prince Anselm, son of Prince Ludwig-Philipp of Thurn und Taxis and Princess Elisabeth of Luxembourg? All I've been able to find on him is that he was killed in World War II.
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All I got is that he was born as Anselm Albert Ludwig Maria Lamoral von THURN und TAXIS 14.04.1924 and died 25.02.1944 in Solotaia-Balka, Ukraine during the war. His grave is in Pokrowka.
Anselm and his parents:
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Lamoral von Thurn und Taxis, brother of Rosa and Helene
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1832-1903lamoral.jpg)
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(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1865-1.jpg)
I thought maybe it was Lamoral. But looking at the drawing I have my doubts.
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Margarethe and Fernanda as brides. Margit on her diamond wedding and Fernanda as a new bride.
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/heleneinbayern/wedding/mf.jpg)
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Just looki at her....I think Margarethe was a fascinating person,down to earth on one hand and on the other,royal from top to toe...and completely bejeweled when necessary!Reminds me a bit of Queen Mary in that aspect!
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I read that Margit had a strict (but happy) childhood.
Margit and Elisabeth. I love Margits gown so much
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Here some photos of a very old Pater Emmeram (Prince Max Emanuel)
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Do you also see that Max had the same facial expression like his father Albert?
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I don´t know, if this was posted:
Portrait of Therese Thurn-Taxis (1773-1839) by Franz Gerhard von Kugelgen.
(http://www.portraitminiatures.com/images/contin/cd-Kugelgen-Turn-and-Taxis.jpg)
Fromhttp://www.portraitminiatures.com/home.htm (http://www.portraitminiatures.com/home.htm)
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(http://i.imgur.com/uVPl3.jpg)
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Margarete and Antonia von Thurn und Taxis, granddaughters of Albert I. and daughters of Prince Philipp and Princess Eulalia
(http://i.imgur.com/EeZVX.jpg)
Philipp Ernst Prinz von Thurn und Taxis with wife, Prinzessin Eulalia, in the middle the blonde Margarete and the brunette Antonia, on the right Albert.
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Nice photos. That means that they are distant cousins of Princess Gloria's family ?
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That means that they are distant cousins of Princess Gloria's family ?
No :-)
Gloria's husband Johannes is first cousin of both Margarethe and Antonia as their father Philipp(1908-1964) is younger brother of Gloria's father in law Karl August(1898-1982),who in turn is father of Johannes...
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Thanks. A bit confusing of the relationships. I bought a German book on the Thurn & Taxis. The family chart was incomplete of all the branches. :-(
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The portrait of Princess Marie von Thurn und Taxis,born Hohenlohe can be seen on this picture from Loučeň Castle-on the right...
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/MaHohen.jpg)
The same portrait of her also hangs in Torre Tasso Castle in Trieste
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Prince Anselm and Princess Iniga of Thurn und Taxis--children of Prince Ludwig-Philipp of Thurn und Taxis and Princess Elisabeth of Luxembourg.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7946791996_2ece26b694_z.jpg)
Prince Ludwig-Philipp of Thurn und Taxis with his daughter, Princess Iniga.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/7946883068_75dfe2bcfe.jpg)
Iniga with her brother, Prince Anselm.
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Two of Iniga alone.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/7983702276_66457eba74_b.jpg)
Prince Ludwig-Philipp.
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As there still doesn't exist any thread about Schoenburg family,I must post here picture of Princess Gloria's grandparents:
http://misshonoriaglossop.tumblr.com/post/35365476740/friedrich-carl-graf-von-schonburg-glauchau-and
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Finally, in another magazine I've found the answer, it's not Mathilde, born in 1874, but Amalie Mathilde, born in 1876, daughter of Adolf Lamoral and Franziska
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Finally, in another magazine I've found the answer, it's not Mathilde, born in 1874, but Amalie Mathilde, born in 1876, daughter of Adolf Lamoral and Franziska
Thank you for identifying the Princess ;)
As you posted above a picture of Princess Lida Eleanor,someone should write here(or on another thread) more about her interesting life,her jewels being stolen,her many disputes and her court battle with actress Josephine Moffitt for officially using the style of "Princess von Thurn und Taxis"...
Here is one more picture of her:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Album%201/Lida_zpsef481fa9.jpg)
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Hi!
Are there pics of Viktoria Edelsbacher de Gyorok? She was the wife of Egon Thurn und Taxis, brother of Max Anton.
Thanks
I have found a little bit more information about Princess Viktoria...
She was firstly married a wealthy,but an elderly cousin,General Sigismund Lazar de Ecska(1801-1870),a nobleman of Armenian origin,who was exactly 40 years older then her...they were also related as his mother was Elisabeth Edelsbacher de Gyorok...
They had a daughter Marianne Lazar de Ecska(1867-1893),who later married Felix Maria,Count von Harnoncourt-Unverzagt(1857-1934),Aide de Camp of Archduke Franz Feridnand,with whom she had two daughters and a son,also named Felix-junior(1891-1951)...One Victoria's granddaughter Countess Marie Luise(born in 1888) married Karl von Carstenn-Lichterfelde and the other Countess Alice(born in 1892) married Markgraf Arthur Pallavicini,son of famos Makgraf Johann Pallavicini(1848-1941),Austro-Hungarian ambassador to Turkey,the one who declined Emperor Karl's offer to become a Prime Minister of Austria-Hungary in 1917...
Princess Victoria's first father in law Agoston Lazar de Escka(1768–1833) built so called Castle of Ecska,where Victoria lived with her first husband...The Castle was built in 1820 and at the "opening" of the estate 9 year old wunderkind Franz Liszt was playing for many notable guests,including members of Esterhazy family...The Castle was also visited by the Emperor Franz Josef himself in 1852 and also visited by Crown Prince Rudolf,Archduke Franz Ferdinand,who was there a frequent guest,even visited it one day before his murder in Sarajevo and later also King Alexander of Yugoslavia when he hunted on it's ground...
It was also rumored that Franz Ferdinand had in fact here secretly married Countess Sophie in a Catholic church built by Viktoria's first husband General Sigismund...
The last heir to this castle was Antoinette,who died in US,so there are no more heirs left!Here are some pictures of the Castle,which was nationalized after WW II and today is a hotel:
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Here is a picture of Franz Ferdinand from Ecska estate in 1898 with his wife Sophie,Count Felix and his sister Alice,Countess von Hardegg among whose descendants today is Fürstin Theresia zu Schwarzenberg(born Countess von Hardegg),wife of Fürst Karl Johannes zu Schwarzenberg,Czech minister of Foreign Affairs since 2010:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Franc_Ferdinand-1898_Ecka_oroszy_zps733226f6.jpg)
Only a year after her husband's death,Viktoria Edelsbacher de Gyorok married for the second time to Prince Egon Maximilian von Thurn und Taxis(1832-1892).He was very devoted to her and as in Ecska Castle she used to breed horses,Prince organized horse races for rich landowners in Austria-Hungary called "Princess Viktoria's gift" where a winner would get a silver plate...
While living here Princess Victoria was also a patroness of arts and some painters such as Joseph Geugner and Dutch van der Venne painted here...
It is also said that Viktoria didn't treat Marianne,a daughter from her first marriage very well and that she used to put her under House arrest...Anyway,it is said that she managed to escape her mother's "claws" to Vienna where she met Count Felix...the reason for this treatment I don't know :(
The marriage lasted shortly and was not stable at all,but despite this already sick Marianne left the whole estate to Felix in her will.After her death Count Felix traveled to hunt in Africa and India...He later married Therese von Rothenburg and after his death he left the estate to his Pallavicini descendants...
Here is a picture of Princess Viktoria's son in law,Count Felix von Harnoncourt-Unverzagt:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Album%201/Felix_zps0d580e18.jpg)
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This is a quote from the first TUT topic
Margarethe with her son:
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Thanks Marc for this lovely picture of Margarethe. The pictures shows her with her first son?
Yes ;)
Hi Marc!
Thanks for clarifying this. I thougth it was with their second child who died in infancy, Josef Albretch who was born in 1895. I thought this because MArgareth Fashion match with this period.
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Princess Maria Theresia of Thurn and Taxis (*1980), eldest child of Fürstin Gloria and the late Fürst Johannes, is engaged to artist Hugo Wilson.
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Egon Maximilian Lamoral (Regensburg 17 Nov 1832-Vienna 8 Feb 1892); m.Écska 11 Nov 1871 Viktoria Edelspacher de Gyoryok (bap Arad 11 May 1841, d.Baltavár 17 Aug 1895)
Viktoria Johanna Edelspacher von Gyoryok was in fact the last of her family:
https://www.arcanum.hu/hu/online-kiadvanyok/Siebmacher-siebmacher-wappenbuch-1/der-adel-von-ungarn-supplementband-magyarorszag-kiegeszites-8D0E/anhang-A941/edelsbacher-edelspacher-v-gyorok-A9FF/
She was also Sternkreuzordensdame, Dame of the Order of the Starry Cross:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Starry_Cross
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Few more pictures of Princess Viktoria Johanna von Thurn und Taxis (1841-1895), nee Edelsbacher de Gyorok:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/josefnovak33/10362933716/sizes/l/
https://www.theatermuseum.at/onlinesammlung/detail/404545/?offset=0&lv=&cHash=ab59a23c18bf4ae90066102b5543a0ca
It is also interesting that she has grown up and raised in Servasin Castle, which was owned by Edelsbacher de Gyorok family until 1858:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C4%83v%C3%A2r%C8%99in_Castle
Servasin Castle later became famous as Romanian Royal Family's official country residence, once owned by King Michael I and now by Margareta, Custodian of the Romanian Crown.