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Title: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on February 13, 2007, 06:14:48 AM
 Prince Albert Maria Joseph Maximilian Lamoral
                                                                                             
  * 08. Mai 1867 Regensburg
   † 22. 01. 1952 Regensburg                                                                               
                                                           
 His wife:                             
 Margarete Klementine
 Erzherzogin von Österreich
* 06. Juli 1870 Alcsút
† 02. Mai 1955 Regensburg
                                                                                 
Wedding 17. Juli 1890 Budapest

Children:

1. FRANZ JOSEF Maximilian Maria Antonius Ignatius Lamoral, Fürst von Thurn und Taxis (Regensburg 21 Dezember 1893-Regensburg 13 Juli 1971); Hochzeit auf Schloss Bronnbach 23 November 1920 mit Elisabeth, Infantin von Portugal (Kleinheubach 19 November 1894-Regensburg 12 Januar 1970)

2. Joseph Albert (Regensburg 4 November 1895-Regensburg 7 Dezember 1895)

3. KARL AUGUST Joseph Maria Maximilian Lamoral Antonius Ignatius Benediktus Valentin, Fürst von Thurn und Taxis (Schloss Garatshausen 23 Juli 1898-Regensburg 26 April 1982);Hochzeit auf Schloss Taxis 18 Aug 1921 mit Infantin Maria Anna of Portugal (Schloss Fischhorn 3 September 1899-Feldafing 23 Juni 1971)

4. Ludwig Philipp Maria Friedrich Joseph Maximilian Antonius Ignatius Lamoral (Regensburg 2 Februar 1901-Schloß Niedereichbach 22 April 1933); Hochzeit in Hohenburg 14 November 1922 mit Elisabeth Prinzessin von Luxemburg und Nassau (Luxemburg 7 März 1901- Hohenburg 2 August 1950)

5. Max Emanuel Maria Siegfried Joseph Antonius Ignatius Lamoral (Regensburg 1 März 1902-Regensburg 3 Oktober 1994), späterer Pater Emmeram

6. Elisabeth Helene Maria Valerie Franziska Maximiliane Antonie (Regensburg 15 Dezember 1903-München 22 Okt 1976)); Hochzeit in Regensburg 16 Juni 1923 mit Friedrich Christian Prinz von Sachsen, Marktgraf von Meißen (Dresden 31 Dezember 1893-Samedan, Graubünden 9 August 1968)

7. Raphael Rainer Karl Maria Joseph Antonius Ignatius Hubertus Lamoral (Regensburg 30 Mai 1906-Schwangau 8 Juni 1993); Hochzeit in Regensburg 24 Mai 1932 mit Margarete Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis (19 Oktober 1913-16 Juni 1997)

8. Philipp Ernst Maria Adalbert Joseph Maximilian Antonius Ignatius Stanislaus Lamoral (Schloss Prüfening 7 Mai 1908-Schloß Hohenberg 23 Juli 1964); Hochzeit auf Schloss Taxis 08 September 1929 mit Eulalia Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis (Schloss Biskupitz 21 Dezember 1908- Hohenberg 30 Dezember 1993)


Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on February 13, 2007, 06:21:56 AM
Albert, the son of Helene and Maximilian of Thurn and Taxis

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/albert2.jpg)


Margarethe, the wife of Albert

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/tant708.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eurohistory on February 14, 2007, 10:39:14 PM
Ah...the good old days when "royals" married the right sort of people...one longs for such long gone days!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on May 12, 2008, 04:31:03 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/Wittelsbach/maggie.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on June 30, 2008, 02:25:04 PM
Nice image of Furstin Margaretha, there are more pictures of her in fancy dresses. In most of the photos she looks quite man-like.

I like this family picture. So many boys, looks amazing.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/FurstAlbrecht_family--.jpg)

Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on June 30, 2008, 04:05:23 PM

"...In most of the photos she looks quite man-like."

That´s hard! But it´s right...
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on June 30, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
(http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/6/30/f_50522495m_d848997.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on June 30, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/maggietut.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: beladona on June 30, 2008, 04:17:22 PM
Rani, do you have some pictures of her children as adults?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Yseult on June 30, 2008, 04:21:31 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/maggietut.jpg)

What a beautiful picture! I like so much pictures of these kind of "regal ladies" wearing their most wonderful jewels ;)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Yseult on June 30, 2008, 04:30:02 PM
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/MargarethevonThurnundTaxis.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on June 30, 2008, 05:40:30 PM
Prince Franz Joseph
(http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/6/30/f_franzjosephm_4d4112e.jpg)

Princess Elisabeth (there is thread about here)
(http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/6/30/f_elisabeth01m_f70a08f.jpg)

Prince Max Emanuel, later Pater Emmeram
(http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/6/30/f_emmam_a282da7.jpg)


Prince Raphael
(http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/6/30/f_raphaelthurm_911782c.jpg)

Prince Philipp Ernst with his bride Eulalia
(http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/4/6/30/f_ernstm_db89a86.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on June 30, 2008, 05:49:32 PM
(http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/6/30/f_karlmaria01m_32ae59d.jpg)

Karl August and Maria

(Damn watermark)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on July 01, 2008, 02:39:20 PM
Margaretha with her sister Marie Dorothea

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/4eba_1.jpg)

Furstin Margaretha

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/FurstinMargaretha.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: beladona on July 01, 2008, 03:25:18 PM
Nice pictures, Svetabel ! Both ladies were not "typical" beauties...
Are there any photos of Margareth with her younger sisters Elisabeth (1883-1958) and Klothilde (1884-1903)?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on July 01, 2008, 06:09:45 PM
(http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/4/7/1/f_jozseffoherm_3a6427a.jpg)



Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on July 16, 2008, 07:44:02 AM

"...In most of the photos she looks quite man-like."

That´s hard! But it´s right...

...and at the same time some contemporaries said Furstin Margaretha resembled Queen Marie Antoinette!!..well, if only a very slight resemblance in profile...
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 16, 2008, 06:09:06 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Germany/rene002.jpg)

Margarethe
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on December 20, 2008, 05:19:42 PM
This photo is a little bit kinky.

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/4aa0_1.jpg)


A postcard to an anniversary.

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/ral-v.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Jose II on December 23, 2008, 02:19:38 PM
ADss Margareth looks like a Chritmas Tree.

A second Queen Mary.

Two, let's say, not very beautiful women charged as much as they can to hide what nature deprived them of, focusing on the bling.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 10, 2009, 04:19:16 PM
Very lovely photos.  :)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Paola on January 11, 2009, 08:42:29 AM
Nice pictures, Svetabel ! Both ladies were not "typical" beauties...
Are there any photos of Margareth with her younger sisters Elisabeth (1883-1958) and Klothilde (1884-1903)?

I think neither of Klotilde's daughters were typical beauties. Klotilde when she was young looked more nice than her daughters. For me still the most lovely one was Elisabeth who remained single while her sisters Dorothea and Margaretha did good marriages to rich Princes. Their sister, the plain Klotilde died young never married.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on January 13, 2009, 02:49:31 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/nx3r6g.jpg)

Albert with Franz Joseph and Karl August (or Ludwig Philipp?)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: beladona on January 17, 2009, 04:27:48 PM
Wonderful pictures, Rani, please post some others! :)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on January 18, 2009, 03:45:51 PM



Margarethe, the wife of Albert

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/tant708.jpg)
[/quote] The tiara which was made for the Empress Eugenie was in the sale of the French Crown Jewels in 1887.A century later it returned to the Louvre when sold by Sothebys in the great Thurn und Taxis sale.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on January 18, 2009, 03:48:30 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Germany/rene002.jpg)

Margarethe
The gems in this picture were emeralds and with the exception of the large stomacher are still in the Thurn und Taxis collection.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on January 23, 2009, 08:55:09 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/mamg.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/doromargit.jpg)

Maria Dorothea and Margit


Margit was relly a beautiful child, but later I don´t know...
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on February 19, 2009, 05:09:26 PM
Margarethe Klementine as (?Marie Antoinette?):

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Archduchesses/Margarete_of_Thurn_und_Taxis.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2009, 12:32:10 AM
Margarethe Klementine as (?Marie Antoinette?):

[Duke of NJ

Yes, as Marie Antoinette, we had discussed this question earlier. Her family considered she had a resemblance to ill-famous Queen of France. IMO only very slight resemblance in profile.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 20, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
The family of the Tuscany branch of Hapsburg's thought Louisa of Tuscany (later Crown Princess of Saxony and later X-Crown Princess)  looked like Marie Antoinette of France, or was that just interested in queen's life, like how Alix of Russia (nee Hesse) was? I don't know.  :P
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on February 26, 2009, 02:48:32 PM
It is interesting to note that she signed her name "Margit" on photos instead of Margarethe, does anyone know which pronunciation (Hungarian or German) she used with her family after marriage?

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 28, 2009, 07:37:02 PM
It is interesting to note that she signed her name "Margit" on photos instead of Margarethe, does anyone know which pronunciation (Hungarian or German) she used with her family after marriage?

-Duke of NJ

I guess that "Fürstin Margarethe" was her official name and that she was called "Margit" by family members. In Germany "Margit" is a common nickname for "Margarethe", but it is also a name for its own.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: beladona on March 01, 2009, 03:59:44 AM
Margit is also ungarian version of Margarethe...
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 01, 2009, 10:51:59 AM
Margit is also ungarian version of Margarethe...

Right. As Margarethe Clémentine was a member of the Hungarian branch of the family and grew up in Hungary, I guess that she was called Margit by her family and relatives as well as later on by her husband and the Thurn und Taxis family.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 01, 2009, 11:38:34 AM
Well it does make sense. Hungarian nickname for Margarethe whom was an Archduchess of Austria-Hungary. A lot of royals were nicknamed by the people and family members. Kings of France with the named Louis was called "King Louie".
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 01, 2009, 11:59:31 AM
  "Louie" was NOT a  nickname...... it is the correct French pronunciation for "Louis," since the final "s" is not sounded.  You are mistakenly transliterating "Louis" into the Anglicized  "Louie," as you hear it.  Do/did you not study French in High School, or do/did you opt for Spanish?   Regards, AP
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 01, 2009, 12:08:57 PM
I take no language class in high school. I know English, and some words in other languages- Italian, Russian and German.

 And I don't really appreciated your rude reply of what i thought was true.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 01, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
Thank you for a most interesting and telling response! I see that you understood my point.   Regards,  AP
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 01, 2009, 12:20:49 PM
Well...not really nice of me to call you rude..but I found it unpleasant. No your right about it.

Next time I'll check if it true before posting.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Gustav II on March 10, 2009, 04:18:12 PM



They all seem to have the same nose, generation after generation..........aT&T trait?


Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on March 11, 2009, 05:35:56 AM



They all seem to have the same nose, generation after generation..........aT&T trait?




I think THE nose came from the Coburg inheritance (mother of Margarethe).
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on March 11, 2009, 02:32:14 PM
Oh, yes!!

Klothilde
(http://i40.tinypic.com/vgltt3.jpg)

Amalie in Bavaria, neé Coburg
(http://i40.tinypic.com/25ppied.jpg)

But Klothilde was beautiful.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on March 12, 2009, 03:35:30 PM
Albert and Franz

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/11f56f83.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Paola on March 13, 2009, 08:24:35 AM
Oh, yes!!

Klothilde
(http://i40.tinypic.com/vgltt3.jpg)

Amalie in Bavaria, neé Coburg
(http://i40.tinypic.com/25ppied.jpg)

But Klothilde was beautiful.


Yes, and also their three brothers , Phillipe, August and Ferdinand inherited their mother's nose. Clementine was an Orleans Princess so I think this trait came from that side of the family.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on May 09, 2009, 02:14:55 PM
Louis Philippe

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Foto0103.jpg)

Of all sons of Albert, he is my favourite one. It´s a pity that he died so young.

Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on May 10, 2009, 03:03:22 AM
Can I ask why he is your favourite? : ) Handsome?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on May 10, 2009, 11:50:12 AM
I don´t know. He was so weird :)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 10, 2009, 05:08:42 PM
Young Albert and Margarethe Klementine:
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Hapsburgs/th_Albert_tt_herceg_1888-ban_MC3A1ria_.jpg) (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Hapsburgs/?action=view&current=Albert_tt_herceg_1888-ban_MC3A1ria_.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Hapsburgs/th_Margit_eskC3BCvC591.jpg) (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/Hapsburgs/?action=view&current=Margit_eskC3BCvC591.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on May 20, 2009, 02:58:25 PM
Here is an article about Gloria and her castle.

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/famliy.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/detail.jpg)

 Above the heads you can see a detail of a Helene portait. Theres is a little picture near Albert, could it be Elisabeth or Helene?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on May 21, 2009, 02:38:51 PM
Two paintings from Margit

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/13846_72b32a1f_13.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/13849_98f13708_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on May 29, 2009, 08:13:36 PM
Her mother looks great for her age...what kind of relations does "the family" have with Countess Anabel von Schönburg-Glauchau,Gloria's half-sister?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 30, 2009, 02:23:24 AM
Her mother looks great for her age...what kind of relations does "the family" have with Countess Anabel von Schönburg-Glauchau,Gloria's half-sister?

Once there was a series about royal persons living in Bavaria in our regional newspaper. One of these articles was dedicated to Anabel who was also interviewed due to this occasion. She told that she was in contact with Gloria, but not regularly. When she was younger she sometimes went on vacation with Gloria and her children.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on May 30, 2009, 05:10:08 AM
I hope that there is in a few years a new princess of Thurn und Taxis. An older article http://www.focus.de/panorama/boulevard/thurn-und-taxis_aid_136925.html



Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on May 30, 2009, 07:50:36 AM
Great photos and lovely portaits in the schloss...I also find interesting an article about the relationship between Albert and Gloria...she wanted to teach them about real life,which is great...maybe she still remembers that her family lost everything and she was just a ''normal'' person before her marriage!
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on October 31, 2009, 08:51:12 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/maggie9.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on November 01, 2009, 06:01:11 AM
Love those new images...thank you!First time I see a portrait of Margarethe...she had rather strong features and great personality...Don't know that much about Gutav and Caroline though
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: allan on November 02, 2009, 11:24:05 AM
Based on your contributions in this forum and information from other sources, I launched a Wikipedia entry on Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Thurn_und_Taxis). Looking forward to your contributions to further improve the page. Best wishes, Allan
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: allan on November 03, 2009, 03:27:32 AM
The letters of Paul to Ludwig are all cited from Desmond Chapman-Huston’s book. He lived in Bavaria in the 1930s and became close to María del Pilar Princess of Bavaria (1891–1987), daughter of Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria of Bavaria. Through this connection to the Wittelsbach Family, he was able to get access to the Secret Archives before they were heavily destroyed during World War II.

Chapman-Huston went also to the Regensburg Archives of the Thurn und Taxis Family, but couldn’t find any trace of Paul there (see page 42 of his book).

Some references to Paul can be found in the letter exchanges between Ludwig and Cosima Wagner, with Ludwig calling once Paul’s wife as ‘ugly’, although in other references she was cited as very beautiful.

I doubt that Heinrich is really Paul’s son since his birth date is June 30, 1867, but Edir Grein mentioned that both met in middle of November 1866 only. Heinrich was obviously left behind with his father when Elise eloped with a Prussian officer in 1878:

“Now among the mediatized princes, no member of the reigning house may marry without the consent of the Family Council. A good many years later, in the winter of 1877-8, we were at Freiburg. At the theatre the prima donna was a Frau von Fels. Her husband was actually a Prince Thurn u. Taxis. He had fallen in love with a Jewess who sang in the Opera, and only obtained leave of his family to marry her, on condition that he renounced his title and name, and agreed that his children, if any, should have no claims on the family estates. He agreed to these harsh terms and married her. After a while he fell into a decline, and went with her to Lugano, where he grew worse, and took to his bed. She formed a liaison with a Prussian officer, staying at the same hotel, and eloped with him, leaving her husband, who had given up so much for her, to die unbefriended, and her little son—motherless” Early Reminiscences, Baring-Gould http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Early_Reminiscences.djvu/80

Baring-Gould mentions her again in his “Further Reminiscences 1864 to 1894 “
…(Freiburg, 1877)….Acting in the theatre as a prima donna was a Frau von Fels. She was a handsome Jewess. Herr von Fels was actually a Prince of Thurn und Taxis, but forfeited his title so as to marry her. I have told the story in the fifth chapter of my Early Reminiscences .  She exacted from her husband that, whenever she acted, he should throw a bouqet on to the stage at her feet, and get his friends to do the same. “

Earlier, Paul tried to get rehabilitated by his family and visited his father together with his wife on August 3, 1869 (http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?apm=0&aid=nfp&datum=18690811&seite=14&zoom=2
newspaper clipping from Vienna), but obviously to no avail.

I found another newspaper clipping of 1874 (from New Zealand!), which states that Helene of Thurn und Taxis tries to connect Paul to Ludwig again for him to become the future Marshal of the Royal Palace and Master of the Revels of castle Herrenchiemsee, but obviously this didn’t push through (see http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=BH18741204.2.4&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0-all for the whole article).

I was able to trace his grave site in Cannes, but unfortunately, the grave was abandoned in 1998. I tried to investigate who paid for the grave and maintained it over the years, but wasn’t given an answer since I am not a family member.

There are many more traces of Paul still to be discovered.

I am deeply touched by the story of his live – he became a victim of Ludwig’s erratic and immature emotional condition, a victim of his family who deprived him of his name and title,  and - in the end - a victim of his wife who - despite of all the sacrifices he suffered for her - abandoned him in the final weeks of his life when he needed her most.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 03, 2009, 03:25:21 PM
I am also interested in the Other Helene of Thurn & Taxis, who was a cousin of Paul and lady-in-waiting of Sisi.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 12, 2009, 06:09:11 PM
Last Saturday Princess Elisabeth von Thurn und Taxis attended the German television show 'Wetten, dass..?' to promote her book 'Fromm!' - unfortunately nobody has ever mentioned the title.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/21mf5s6.jpg)

(http://i34.tinypic.com/330wf47.jpg)




Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 13, 2009, 04:12:08 PM
Like a younger version of her mother Gloria TNT...before she became religious.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on November 22, 2009, 01:57:36 PM
A website of Inigo von Urach, the great-great-grandson of Helene, and the son of Iniga von Urach.

http://thomas-sz.com/web_adel/urach_wuerttemberg/frame_urach_wuerttemberg.html

There are few photos of Iniga and Anselm.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on December 01, 2009, 02:29:58 PM

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/18638346-w-600.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/18638361-w-600.jpg)

Gloria with Georg Gänswein ( they would make a nice couple :), but he his the personal secretary of Pope Benedict XVI.)

(fotos by Heike Armbruster)

My favourite photo of Gloria

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/ThomasSchweigert3.jpg)

(foto by Thomas Schweigert)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 02, 2009, 07:55:42 PM
Gloria and Johannes. Watermark is from the forum i moderate

(http://i47.tinypic.com/6elr0w.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 21, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Johannes`s  60th birthday. The party was in the Regensburg castle, 1986

(http://i50.tinypic.com/v3oc5w.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on December 23, 2009, 01:54:18 PM
A good link

http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/thurn-taxis/emerald-ruby-choker2.htm
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Post by: Rani on December 23, 2009, 02:00:26 PM
Johannes`s  60th birthday. The party was in the Regensburg castle, 1986

(http://i50.tinypic.com/v3oc5w.jpg)

I´ve read in her book about this birthday. And of course about this famous birthday cake. Haha

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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 23, 2009, 02:02:57 PM
according what it says in the picture, the guy who was interviewed said it was "The party of the century". I can imagine how it was and i feel terrible mad ane envious cause i wasnt there! xDDD
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Post by: Rani on December 23, 2009, 02:04:34 PM
Gloria and Johannes. Watermark is from the forum i moderate

(http://i47.tinypic.com/6elr0w.jpg)

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/famiy.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on December 27, 2009, 06:44:00 PM
Thanksss, I have almost now a Thurn und Taxis database:)



Margarethe, Albert and her sister Elisabeth

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/aem.jpg)
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 28, 2009, 04:28:43 AM

Margarethe, Albert and her sister Elisabeth

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/aem.jpg)

Wow, I'm deeply impressed. :-) Pictures of Archduchess Elisabeth are extremely rare ... I guess I've only seen photos of Elisabeth with her sister Clotilde as a child. Anyway, there is a huge family resemblance, above all their "wonderful" noses à la Clémentine. :-)

Rani, do you know anything about Elisabeth's time in Regensburg?
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Post by: Rani on December 28, 2009, 08:05:06 AM

Margarethe, Albert and her sister Elisabeth

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/aem.jpg)

Wow, I'm deeply impressed. :-) Pictures of Archduchess Elisabeth are extremely rare ... I guess I've only seen photos of Elisabeth with her sister Clotilde as a child. Anyway, there is a huge family resemblance, above all their "wonderful" noses à la Clémentine. :-)

Rani, do you know anything about Elisabeth's time in Regensburg?

No, sorry. But I can give you a link to an old Hungarian newspaper: http://epa.oszk.hu/html/vgi/kardexlap.phtml?id=30
There are many articles about Margarethe and her family. Maybe there is an article about Elisabeth.

Did you know that Raphael was a chauffeur of the Nazis??
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 28, 2009, 11:14:43 AM
Engagement picture of Margarethe Klementine and Albert


 (http://i46.tinypic.com/zlw7xy.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on December 28, 2009, 01:55:03 PM
Margarethe, Albert, Louis and Maria of Luxemburg

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/hemaschlgru1.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 01:59:43 PM
Wonder about the date on the photo.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 28, 2009, 02:03:30 PM
mid-late 1910s? Im just wondering looking at her clothes.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 02:22:50 PM
Looks like a stroll after dinner. The occation seem to be part of a celebration or maybe a wedding.
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Post by: Rani on December 28, 2009, 02:37:04 PM
29.08.1925

The other people are relatives. The photo was shoot at the Niederaichbach castle.
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 28, 2009, 05:47:49 PM
29.08.1925

The other people are relatives. The photo was shoot at the Niederaichbach castle.

Did Louis Philippe live with the Luxemburg family? He died there in 1933. It's a pity that his wife Elisabeth isn't pictured - or is she the woman in black? It's just too blurry.
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Post by: Rani on December 28, 2009, 06:15:08 PM
29.08.1925

The other people are relatives. The photo was shoot at the Niederaichbach castle.

Did Louis Philippe live with the Luxemburg family? He died there in 1933. It's a pity that his wife Elisabeth isn't pictured - or is she the woman in black? It's just too blurry.

It looks like a monk..hmm

Louis lived there with his family. I think they visited the family. On the homepage of Niederaichbach is a sweet photo of Anselm

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/chronik2.jpg)

After Louis death, Elisabeth moved away.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 01:28:07 PM
Outstanding and beautiful Gloria. 1987

(http://i50.tinypic.com/dxbneg.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2009, 02:15:19 PM
The Rock & Roll Punk Princess.
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Post by: Rani on January 06, 2010, 01:22:16 PM
Painting of Elisabeth Helene

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/GEMLDE.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 06, 2010, 01:46:11 PM
And  a cute image of Elisabeth Helene

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2hs2ae0.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on January 06, 2010, 04:52:46 PM
Painting of Elisabeth Helene

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/GEMLDE.jpg)

Love it!Is there any other where one could see it better?Where is it?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2010, 05:44:28 PM
where is this portrait located ?
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Post by: Rani on January 06, 2010, 07:14:17 PM
Painting of Elisabeth Helene

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/GEMLDE.jpg)

Love it!Is there any other where one could see it better?Where is it?

It´s in St. Emmeram. It´s just a detail of a picture. So I can´t give a better version sorry!
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Post by: Marc on January 06, 2010, 08:10:54 PM
Thank you ;) I like it very much..if you find something more,please post ;)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2010, 09:58:33 PM
I visit there before and did not see it. Maybe it was in the private quarters. The family still lived there when I visited the State Rooms.
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Post by: Rani on January 07, 2010, 02:07:10 PM
I visit there before and did not see it. Maybe it was in the private quarters. The family still lived there when I visited the State Rooms.

It´s in the    servery room.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2010, 02:14:08 PM
Maybe I should make another trip to Regensburg.  ;)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 07, 2010, 03:24:57 PM
Gloria

(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5945/fuerstingloriavonthurnu.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on January 08, 2010, 06:45:25 PM
Prinzessin Amalie von Thurn und Taxis (1876–1930), niece of Helene

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/amalie-1.jpg)
married to Erbgraf Carl August Konstantin von Görtz (1877–1911)
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Post by: Rani on January 09, 2010, 07:33:28 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/IMAGE0012-1.jpg)

You can see a photo of Helene with Max and their sons. It was in the Sothebys aution.
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Post by: Rani on January 09, 2010, 07:34:37 PM
In St.Emmeram

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/raum9.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2010, 08:35:21 PM
Wow ! No wonder Gloria TNT said they have lots more of that in storage...Sisi and her siblings memorabilia...
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Post by: Rani on January 10, 2010, 07:25:54 AM
Yes, they have so much photos and paintings of them. Particularly Sisi is everywhere. Albert adored her and FJ. Sisi was nicer to him then to her son.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2010, 06:04:10 PM
Sisi was a beloved aunt and no Archduchess Sofie to steal their affection. Another reason was the close bond between Sisi & Nene. Only they spoke English to each other as a secret language (Marie, Mathilde & Sophie did not seemed to be fluent in English).
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 11, 2010, 06:22:09 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/raum9.jpg)

I really would love to see a bigger version of the painting of the girls in red. I guess they are Sophie and Maria Anna of Bavaria, Ludovica should be next to them. There is a copy of it in the castle of Tegernsee - or is the one at St. Emmeram the copy?
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Post by: Marc on January 11, 2010, 08:07:18 AM
I have seen that of the girls in red but can't find it anywhere Sad Someone has posted in somewhere on this board but not sure where
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Post by: Marc on January 11, 2010, 08:10:06 AM
I have seen that of the girls in red but can't find it anywhere :( Someone has posted in somewhere on this board but not sure where
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 11, 2010, 08:17:07 AM
I have seen that of the girls in red but can't find it anywhere :( Someone has posted in somewhere on this board but not sure where

I don't think that it has been posted before.
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Post by: Rani on January 11, 2010, 11:51:28 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/toechter_max_I_01.jpg) (http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/toechter_max_I_02.jpg)

Image one: Elisabeth, Amalia and Maximiliane
Image two: Ludovika, Maria and Sophie
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Post by: Rani on January 11, 2010, 02:29:34 PM
Interview with Glorias sister Maya, she is so stupid (in my opinion)

http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article2910623/Sex-wird-doch-voellig-ueberbewertet.html
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 12, 2010, 04:37:11 AM
Thanks Rani, I'm thrilled! :-)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 15, 2010, 01:13:42 PM
Margarethe C.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2elum47.jpg)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 11:36:37 AM
Love those beaded flowing gowns ! They look so romantic. They should bring them back...
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Post by: Rani on January 16, 2010, 01:57:35 PM
She was not beautiful, but voguish!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 04:48:09 PM
I am talking about the look and the dress...
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Post by: Rani on January 17, 2010, 06:13:26 AM
I know, but I mean it generally.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 17, 2010, 07:13:24 PM
Margaret was lucky, she had money & taste. With elegant clothes and a husband who loves to give her jewels, she was sure to stand out among princesses.
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Post by: Rani on February 03, 2010, 03:53:46 AM
Hi!


Are there pics of Viktoria Edelsbacher de Gyorok? She was the wife of Egon Thurn und Taxis, brother of Max Anton.

Thanks
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Post by: Marc on February 03, 2010, 08:24:20 AM
Unfortunately,there are no pictures of her on the web so far...her family name was Viktoria EdelsPacher de Gyoryok,lived from 1841-1895...she was one of the owners of medieval fortress Grobnik now in Croatia.She bought the castle in 1872 from the Batthyány family and upon her death was in possession of her son Albrecht(it is said Albrecht but I never found any of her sons named Albrecht just Maximilian Egon and Viktor so I assume the last owner was Viktor as he died last of her sons in 1928) von Thurn und Taxis until 1924 when it became the property of the muncipality and in 1945 it became nationalised...here are few pictures of Princess Viktoria's castle:



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Post by: Rani on February 03, 2010, 09:05:06 AM
Pity!

Thanks for the pics of her castle!

Egon. He looks totally like Max Anton.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/29wwtxw.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on March 04, 2010, 04:01:04 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/PRINCEALEXANDERTHURNANDTAXISANDFRAN.jpg) (http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/B307680T4437376.jpg)
Is the man on the first photo, the guy on the second photo?

I know that the man on the first photo is Prince Alexander.

Thanks
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Post by: Marc on March 09, 2010, 07:27:58 AM
Here is a picture of Viktoria thanks to Beladona:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/ThTaxEdels.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on March 09, 2010, 09:17:57 AM
Thank you very, very much!!

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Post by: Marc on March 09, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
Rani,if you look more closely to the photo it seems that you were right when you have written her family name as Edelsbacher de Gyorok and that genealogy sites and me were wrong when they say it's EdelsPacher...

If you look more carefully it is written:"Victoria Taxis Edelsbacher"
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Post by: Rani on March 09, 2010, 10:42:42 AM
I can read Taxis Edelsbacher on the photo. But the word before Taxis is not Victoria. I would say it´s the short form of Prinzessin. Or not?
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 09, 2010, 10:45:58 AM
I can read Taxis Edelsbacher on the photo. But the word before Taxis is not Victoria. I would say it´s the short form of Prinzessin. Or not?

Yes, it looks like "Prssin". Could be the appreviation of the German word "Prinzessin".
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Post by: Marc on March 09, 2010, 11:10:27 AM
Good eyes...I agree,but never the less it is written EdelsBacher and not EdelsPacher...
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Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 10, 2010, 06:26:59 AM
No, the first letter is a S (in Old German "Gothic" handwriting).

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Deutsche_Kurrentschrift.jpg/600px-Deutsche_Kurrentschrift.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on March 10, 2010, 06:38:08 AM
Could be,but the last 4 letters were "ssin"...Could the letter P be written similarly with S and that this way of personal handwriting is making confusion?Everyone of us doesn't write as written in the vocabulary...we all have our way of writing certain letters...
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Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 10, 2010, 12:35:14 PM
Could be,but the last 4 letters were "ssin"...Could the letter P be written similarly with S and that this way of personal handwriting is making confusion?Everyone of us doesn't write as written in the vocabulary...we all have our way of writing certain letters...
I agree it's possible, but that would be an unusual P. The loop is just so typical of an Old German capital S.
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Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 10, 2010, 04:53:46 PM
Its a "P" and the word means indeed Prinzessin - its not the "Old German Script" but a more modern form, so the alphabet posted above is not concerned to it!
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Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 10, 2010, 04:56:44 PM
Its a "P" and the word means indeed Prinzessin - its not the "Old German Script" but a more modern form, so the alphabet posted above is not concerned to it!
OK, thanks for confirming that!
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Post by: Rani on March 11, 2010, 07:57:07 AM
Max Anton

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2qkk02f.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2010, 01:21:42 PM
Nice painting of Nene's handsome husband. I don't think this was in the Sotheby's sale.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 11, 2010, 01:40:09 PM
he was super handsome!

(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/152/princemaxthurnundtaxisos2.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on March 11, 2010, 02:36:56 PM
Nice painting of Nene's handsome husband. I don't think this was in the Sotheby's sale.

No! Gloria didn´t sell everything. The uncle of Johannes, Max Emanuel, was angry about her, because she made this auction.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 11, 2010, 02:50:03 PM
Albrecht

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2870w0w.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on March 12, 2010, 12:31:09 PM
Alberts was really fashion-conscious.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/1zx84tf.jpg)
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Post by: Marie Valerie on March 15, 2010, 09:30:39 AM
Has anyone a picture of Karl Ludwig von Thurn und Taxis (1863-1942)?

He was the husband of Maria Teresa of Portugal/Braganza.

One of the many T&T-Braganza Marriages.  ;)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 15, 2010, 03:31:55 PM
I think I did not see a photo of him either.
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Post by: Rani on March 16, 2010, 12:04:01 PM
Has anyone a picture of Karl Ludwig von Thurn und Taxis (1863-1942)?

He was the husband of Maria Teresa of Portugal/Braganza.

One of the many T&T-Braganza Marriages.  ;)



http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2815.210
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Post by: Marie Valerie on March 16, 2010, 01:26:56 PM
Thank you Rani!

 :-*
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Post by: Veronica on March 22, 2010, 07:12:02 PM
Franz Joseph and karl August, sons of Albert:

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2483/copiadefranzjosephykarl.jpg)
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Post by: Veronica on March 22, 2010, 07:16:40 PM
Margarethe:

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on March 26, 2010, 02:09:44 PM
Margarethe:

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)

Her waist is really heavy! But the photo is nice, thanks!

Later she looked like a man!
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Post by: Rani on March 26, 2010, 02:10:56 PM
Franz Joseph and karl August, sons of Albert:

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2483/copiadefranzjosephykarl.jpg)

Franz looks like in the 60´s! Cute!!
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Post by: Veronica on March 26, 2010, 03:05:41 PM
Agreed, she had masculine features, it got worst with age...

A different pose from the one posted in page 2:

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)

Margarethe in 1908:

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)
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Post by: Veronica on March 26, 2010, 03:06:40 PM
Albert:

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7985/copiadealbertthurntaxis.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on March 27, 2010, 08:21:50 AM
Could it be that Albert looks a little bit like Karl Theodor? The good-looking version??
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Post by: Rani on March 27, 2010, 01:34:42 PM
Does anyone know something about Maria Teresas son Maximilian (Wien 24 Dez 1913-Wien 16 Feb 1928) ??

thanks
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 27, 2010, 07:29:30 PM
Could it be that Albert looks a little bit like Karl Theodor? The good-looking version??

I can't see any resemblance. And I also don't think that Carl Theodor wasn't good looking. In my opinion he was quite handsome as a young man. Later he looked ill in some way and was too skinny, that's true.
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Post by: Veronica on March 28, 2010, 06:03:12 PM
Albert, Margarethe and family

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/707/copiademargarethethurnt.jpg)

In old age

(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9643/margaretheyalbert818ala.jpg)
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Post by: Veronica on March 28, 2010, 06:09:19 PM
In her workshop:

(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7665/margarethethurntaxisb23.jpg)

(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/720/margarethethurntaxisc2d.jpg)
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Post by: Danjel on March 29, 2010, 05:42:18 PM
Found in the Austria Archives this wonderful portrait of a princess Bensie (?) of Thurn und Taxis............now I've seen they often use nicknames, but who could this be?

(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/annoshowCARI5A53.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on March 30, 2010, 12:23:04 PM
Could it be Felicitas Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis??
Born 16 January 1889, died 3 March 1934


Or Gabriele Gräfin Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau, wife of Erich Thurn und Taxis?
Born 28 March 1883, died 28 October 1970


Or Luise von Thurn und Taxis, daughter of Franz Thurn und Taxis and cousin of Felicitas Taxis.
Born 4 May 1887, died 4 March 1949


Or (what I think) Mathilde von Thurn und Taxis, daugther of Egon Thurn und Taxis. She died only with 38 in Vienna. And her father was a member of the Vienna court, also in Hungary, because his wife Viktoria was from Hungary. And on the newspaper stands "Wien-Budapest"
Born 21 February 1874, died 7 May 1912 Vienna.
Also she looks like Vicktoria Edelsbacher: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14575.0
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Post by: Danjel on March 30, 2010, 12:58:33 PM
I've enlarged the picture a bit....and I think you are right! What a wonderful finding!!!! There are a few lines in the paper further on, where it says that this princess Bensie frequently visited the Wiener salons....

(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/annoshowCARI5A53-kopie.jpg)

(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/bensie.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Danjel on March 30, 2010, 01:01:31 PM
Could it be Felicitas Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis??
Born 16 January 1889, died 3 March 1934


Or Gabriele Gräfin Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau, wife of Erich Thurn und Taxis?
Born 28 March 1883, died 28 October 1970


Or Luise von Thurn und Taxis, daughter of Franz Thurn und Taxis and cousin of Felicitas Taxis.
Born 4 May 1887, died 4 March 1949


Or (what I think) Mathilde von Thurn und Taxis, daugther of Egon Thurn und Taxis. She died only with 38 in Vienna. And her father was a member of the Vienna court, also in Hungary, because his wife Viktoria was from Hungary. And on the newspaper stands "Wien-Budapest"
Born 21 February 1874, died 7 May 1912 Vienna.
Also she looks like Vicktoria Edelsbacher: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14575.0

Felicitas I think not, since she would be at most 14 years old in the picture, , Luise would be 16....not really an age to frequent the Wiener salons and about Gabriele, this magazina always puts the maiden name if they are married into a family, so I guess that rules out Gabriele as well.........
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on March 30, 2010, 03:39:42 PM
Very much look alike Viktoria von Thurn und Taxis:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/ThTaxEdels.jpg

Again,not sure but my guess is that she could be her daughter Princess Mathilde!
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on April 04, 2010, 04:07:14 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/20icnq0.jpg)

Maria Theresia and Luisa are really look similar. In my opinion.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 04, 2010, 05:04:32 PM
They also look like their mother Gloria ! :-)  :)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 05, 2010, 06:34:18 AM
They also look like their mother Gloria ! :-)  :)

I think Albert looks a lot like his mother. The girls seem to be a good mixture of Johannes and Gloria.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 05, 2010, 11:15:32 AM
Yes. That is a fair accessment.  ;)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on April 26, 2010, 04:10:26 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/168bi35.jpg)

From the left: Max Emanuel, son Philipp, Horst Seehofer a German politician, Max Emanuels wife Christa, son Hubertus and unknown

Max is the son of Raphael and Rita of Thurn und Taxis. Really interesting.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on May 14, 2010, 04:11:01 PM
I read that Bensie died because she had a cardiac insufficiency. Before she had an accident at the skating rink and broke her leg. She died at the hospital.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 23, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
Albert

(http://i48.tinypic.com/hriwpu.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 18, 2010, 10:20:17 AM
This is one of my favorite images of Gloria. she looks complety stunning!

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2jg1k0m.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 19, 2010, 08:12:28 AM
The rubies are stunning
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Danjel on July 03, 2010, 06:31:23 AM


If someone has pictures of the other daughters, it would be great!

There are no other daughters, since she only had 2 brothers....of the brothers I have nothing, but I do have one of her sister in law Princess Lida....(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/1875lidanicollsx1876victorthurnundt.jpg)

Egon Maximilian Lamoral (Regensburg 17 Nov 1832-Vienna 8 Feb 1892); m.Écska 11 Nov 1871 Viktoria Edelspacher de Gyoryok (bap Arad 11 May 1841, d.Baltavár 17 Aug 1895)



 

1e) Maximilain Egon (Écska 15 Jun 1872-Vienna 5 Jan 1920)

2e) Mathilde (Écska 21 Feb 1874-Vienna 7 May 1912)

3e) Viktor (Écska 18 Jan 1876-Vienna 28 Jan 1928); m.Uniontown, Pennsylvania 1 Nov 1911 Lida Eleanor Nicholls
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Danjel on July 03, 2010, 07:14:31 AM
Found some of the other ones too....

Could it be Felicitas Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis??
Born 16 January 1889, died 3 March 1934

(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/th_1889-1934FelicitasThurnundTaxis2.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/?action=view&current=1889-1934FelicitasThurnundTaxis2.jpg) (http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/th_1889-1934FelicitasThurnundTaxis.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/?action=view&current=1889-1934FelicitasThurnundTaxis.jpg)


Or Gabriele Gräfin Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau, wife of Erich Thurn und Taxis?
Born 28 March 1883, died 28 October 1970

(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/th_ErichandhiswifeGabrielecountessKins.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/?action=view&current=ErichandhiswifeGabrielecountessKins.jpg)

Or Luise von Thurn und Taxis, daughter of Franz Thurn und Taxis and cousin of Felicitas Taxis.
Born 4 May 1887, died 4 March 1949

(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/th_ThrnuTaxisPrssLuise1887-1949.jpg) (http://s999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/?action=view&current=ThrnuTaxisPrssLuise1887-1949.jpg)

Or (what I think) Mathilde von Thurn und Taxis, daugther of Egon Thurn und Taxis. She died only with 38 in Vienna. And her father was a member of the Vienna court, also in Hungary, because his wife Viktoria was from Hungary. And on the newspaper stands "Wien-Budapest"
Born 21 February 1874, died 7 May 1912 Vienna.
Also she looks like Vicktoria Edelsbacher: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14575.0

Felicitas I think not, since she would be at most 14 years old in the picture, , Luise would be 16....not really an age to frequent the Wiener salons and about Gabriele, this magazina always puts the maiden name if they are married into a family, so I guess that rules out Gabriele as well.........
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on July 05, 2010, 12:26:17 PM


If someone has pictures of the other daughters, it would be great!

There are no other daughters, since she only had 2 brothers....of the brothers I have nothing, but I do have one of her sister in law Princess Lida....http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/Royaldaan/1875lidanicollsx1876victorthurnundt.jpg

Egon Maximilian Lamoral (Regensburg 17 Nov 1832-Vienna 8 Feb 1892); m.Écska 11 Nov 1871 Viktoria Edelspacher de Gyoryok (bap Arad 11 May 1841, d.Baltavár 17 Aug 1895)


1e) Maximilain Egon (Écska 15 Jun 1872-Vienna 5 Jan 1920)

2e) Mathilde (Écska 21 Feb 1874-Vienna 7 May 1912)

3e) Viktor (Écska 18 Jan 1876-Vienna 28 Jan 1928); m.Uniontown, Pennsylvania 1 Nov 1911 Lida Eleanor Nicholls


I confused her family with the family of Adolf.

And thanks for the photo.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on July 08, 2010, 10:32:47 AM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/281a0lv.jpg)

I found this detail on a photo from a room in St. Emmeram. Who could the woman and man be?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 08, 2010, 10:44:01 AM
Maybe a close friend ?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on July 11, 2010, 08:50:53 AM
Maybe it´s Princess Helene and husband Count Rudolf Erwein von Schoenborn-Wiesentheid. I didn´t see any photos of him.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on July 13, 2010, 06:04:56 PM
Dr. phil. Wolfgang Baumann is writing a book about Margit! He is from Regensburg and owns an antiquarian bookshop and art gallery. I don´t know when it is already, but it´s cool.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 20, 2010, 09:39:44 AM
Louise

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6776/lhs.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/lhs.jpg/)
 
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 20, 2010, 10:18:21 AM
Which Louise is this one ?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on July 20, 2010, 10:20:22 AM
Helenes daughter. She must be 50 there.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 21, 2010, 08:43:19 AM
Margarete

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7438/mvtut.jpg) (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/mvtut.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on July 21, 2010, 10:43:21 AM
Love the picture and the poise of Margarethe...one can sense that she was proud of being a royal!
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on July 21, 2010, 07:43:50 PM
A diplomat described her later in the 50´s: She bowled with the one hand and had her tiara in the other hand.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 01, 2010, 09:51:20 AM
Ah...the good old days when "royals" married the right sort of people...one longs for such long gone days!

Arturo Beéche


I noticed that many people want Royal-Royal marriages again. The last RR-wedding was with Philippe and Mathilde of Belgium, Marie Christine of Austria and the Count of Limburg, if I am right. But I think Mette Marit is a good example for learning how to be a future queen. Maxima is really loved by the Netherlands and Daniel will make his way.
I´m sorry for Letizia. She seems like a very nice and charming person, who is a good mother and wife. The pressure from the media is big. And Mary, I don´t know. Many say, she is more royal than the real royals (now she is a royal, too. But you understand what I mean).
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 01, 2010, 09:56:43 AM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/196099.jpg)

with Gabriel, Helene, Fernanda, Anselm, Iniga, Maria Theresia, Mafalda and Clothilde.

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/196100.jpg)

With Franz Joseph, Raphael, Karl August, Louis and Philippe.

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/fotos.jpg)

From an old auction. Albert with FJ and Margit with KA.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 24, 2010, 09:54:23 AM
The one and only....Gloria

(http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1322396,00.jpg)

With Pippi Longstockings

(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Thurn+Taxis+Castle+Festival+Pippi+Langstrumpf+dKGcNo847SEl.jpg)

I love her. I cant image other royals posing like her!
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 24, 2010, 11:44:45 AM
The first picture scares me! This psycho look! :)

I think there is still this punk girl in her!

BUNTE cover

1986

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2rfap6t.jpg) 

1999

(http://i34.tinypic.com/288v23q.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 24, 2010, 04:35:32 PM
Who was the priest beside her ?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 26, 2010, 07:35:57 AM
Don´t know him.


(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6069/picturealliance.jpg)

(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/931/gloriathurntaxis5.jpg)

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8830/gloriathurntaxis2.jpg)

(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/309/1990schaumburgbonnkanzl.jpg)

(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9681/gloriathurntaxis9.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 26, 2010, 07:44:58 AM
Her son is a carbon copy of her (especially in her younger days in short hair).  ;)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 26, 2010, 07:51:34 AM
9i doubt that another royal would take a picture of herself like that. Gloria is soo unique! that s why i love her so!

Enjoying a Good meal.

(http://www.wmagazine.com/images/society/2010/07/soar_gloria_h.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 26, 2010, 08:04:58 AM
That´s true. She is really weird, but unique like Katenka said.

(http://a.imageshack.us/img838/6700/gloria89.jpg)

(http://a.imageshack.us/img842/3904/gloria5.jpg)

(http://a.imageshack.us/img833/7619/gloria236.jpg)

(http://a.imageshack.us/img39/4570/gloria49.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 26, 2010, 08:21:48 AM
the jewels...in the first one...**faints**

Im in love with the brooch she s using in this one...

(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4344/frisurgloriathurntaxis.jpg)


I found out it belonged to Prince Albretch Von thurn un taxis. Here more info

http://past-royals.blogspot.com/2010/08/jewels-now-and-then-thurn-and-taxis-i.html

Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 26, 2010, 08:24:00 AM
She is one of a kind !  ;)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 26, 2010, 09:13:25 AM
Albert was "Bling-Bling". You can see on the page that was posted above a brooch of Helene, it was a gift from Queen Elisabeth of Prussia.
It´s just a pity, that Gloria must sell the family jewels. Prince Max Emanuel, Pater Emmeram, was very angry. But without the auction, the family would be broke today.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 26, 2010, 10:09:53 AM
Really ? Thought they still have a massive land portfoilio. Even the girls were expected to inheirit 6 castles each...
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 26, 2010, 10:30:23 AM
But with debts to the Bavarian state, I don´t know if they would been so rich today.

6 castles?

I would love to see a wedding in the house of TuT! Come on Albert!
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 26, 2010, 10:32:43 AM
"I need money"

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5557/gloria79.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on October 29, 2010, 05:05:42 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440086177407&set=a.440077142407.240480.190114177407&ref=fbx_album

 ;D
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 29, 2010, 05:09:27 PM
hahahahahaah excellent!! i like him ! he seems to have the same sense of humor of his mother (another royal i adore)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 29, 2010, 05:13:49 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440086177407&set=a.440077142407.240480.190114177407&ref=fbx_album

You should have posted the one of half-naked Albert and his girlfriend.

I think these pictures are absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 29, 2010, 05:47:32 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440086177407&set=a.440077142407.240480.190114177407&ref=fbx_album

 ;D

he is on crack? lol
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on October 30, 2010, 05:56:23 AM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440086177407&set=a.440077142407.240480.190114177407&ref=fbx_album

You should have posted the one of half-naked Albert and his girlfriend.

I think these pictures are absolutely ridiculous.

I didn´t want to start with naughty pictures :)

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f78/princely-house-of-thurn-und-taxis-2-july-2008-a-17969-27.html

Thanks to User sofy.

 :D
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 30, 2010, 08:10:41 AM
@ Rani: Actually Albert himself was the one who started those "naughy pictures" ... ;-)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on October 30, 2010, 09:15:44 AM
I didn´t thought he is so.

(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Anges_et_d%E9mons/0019.gif)

But his parents weren´t the modest ones. The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree...
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on October 31, 2010, 10:16:56 AM
From ebay, two photos of members of the family.

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1865Augsburg.jpg)

A lady, photo from 1865, taken in Augsburg
The woman looks like around 25-28.
So it should be a princess born in the 1830s.

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1865-1.jpg)

A gentleman, 1865, too and taken in München.
The man looks like in his early 20s.


The seller didn´t know the names of the two.
And I have no idea who they could be.
If you know who they are or have ideas, post it :)

Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2010, 05:17:16 PM
Maybe close relations of Helene of Thurn & Taxis (the lady in waiting of Sisi).
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 03, 2010, 08:28:12 AM
Margarethe as a nurse

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1961/nurse5.jpg) (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/nurse5.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on November 06, 2010, 10:53:48 AM
The sisters

Princess Luise von Thurn und Taxis
Born 21 December 1828 Ansbach
Died 7 January 1916 Wuerzburg 

Princess Adelheid von Thurn und Taxis
Born 25 October 1829 Ansbach
 Died 7 September 1888 Waal 

Princess Sophie von Thurn und Taxis
Born 13 August 1835 Wuerzburg
Died 23 June 1913 Sandizel 


Maybe you are right Eric and she is a relative of Helene Kinsky, maybe

Princess Rosa von Thurn und Taxis
Born 22 May 1833 Baja
Died 21 February 1907 Wien 

I didn´t see any photo of her.

There is also the sister of Erbprinz Max anton, but they said, she was pretty

Princess Therese von Thurn und Taxis
Born 31 August 1830 Regensburg
Died 10 September 1883 Wobensin 

Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on November 06, 2010, 11:00:06 AM
The young man could be:

Prince Lamoral von Thurn und Taxis (a brother of Helene and Rosa)
Born 13 April 1832 Maria Theresiopel
Died 9 December 1903 Pressburg

Prince Friedrich von Thurn und Taxis (a brother of Helene and Rosa)
Born 10 October 1839 Sarospatak
Died 4 July 1906 Zdounek, Moravia 

I don´t think it´s one of Max Antons brothers

Prince Egmont von Thurn und Taxis
Born 28 September 1849 Gleichenberg
Died 28 December 1866 Castle Lautschin 


He hasn´t a similarity to Egmonts brother Alexander, husband of Mary of Thurn und Taxis.
IMO both could be siblings of Helene Kinsky.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on November 06, 2010, 11:02:16 AM


(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1865Augsburg.jpg)


To compare: Helene

(http://i33.tinypic.com/1eumq.jpg)

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=5360.0

(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Reflexion/U_THIN%7E1.GIF)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on November 06, 2010, 01:28:14 PM
I could be wrong, and he is a brother of Max Anton

Prince Adolf von Thurn und Taxis

Born 26 May 1850 Castle Donaustauf
Died 3 January 1890 Abfalter nr Salzburg 

But he must be 15 on the photo??


Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2010, 03:26:01 PM
I think the young woman bore a resemblence to Helen Kinsky, I would think it could well her her sister...
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on November 08, 2010, 11:18:59 AM
Especially the mouth. Could be Rosa.

But I´m not so sure about the Prince.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2010, 11:35:58 AM
What do you know about Rosa of Thurn & Taxis ?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on November 08, 2010, 04:31:28 PM
She was the daughter of

Prince Friedrich von Thurn und Taxis
Born 3 September 1799 Prag               
Died 17 January 1857 Venezia, Italy
Married 29 June 1831 Wien
Countess Aurora Batthyany de Nemet-Ujvar, daughter of Count
Vincenz Batthyany de Nemet-Ujvar and Josepha Rudnyak de
Batsfa de Magyar Bel
Born 13 June 1806 Ofen
Died 18 September 1881 Ischl 


She had 6 siblings

Prince Lamoral von Thurn und Taxis
               Born 13 April 1832 Maria Theresiopel
               Died 9 December 1903 Pressburg
               Married 22 April 1871 Pressburg
               Countess Antonia Schaffgotsch, Freiin zu Kynast und
               Greiffenstein, daughter of Count Friedrich Schaffgotsch,
               Freiherr zu Kynast und Greiffenstein and Countess Therese
               Palffy ab Erdod
               Born 18 July 1850 Bruenn
               Died 26 March 1942 Castle Biskupitz 

Princess Helene von Thurn und Taxis
               Born 15 May 1836 Saros-Patak
               Died 13 November 1901 Wien
               Married 15 May 1871 Wien         
               Count Wolfgang Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau, son of Count
               Joseph Kinsky von Wchinitz und Tettau and Countess Marie
               Czernin von und zu Chudenitz
               Born 19 January 1836 Wien
               Died 14 December 1885 Meran 

Princess Laura von Thurn und Taxis                                     
               Born 6 July 1838 Sarospatak
               Died 29 July 1838 Sarospatak 


Prince Friedrich von Thurn und Taxis
               Born 10 October 1839 Sarospatak
               Died 4 July 1906 Zdounek, Moravia
               Married 30 April 1872 Wien
               Countess Maria von Thun und Hohenstein, daughter of Count
               Friedrich von Thun und Hohenstein and Countess Leopoldine               
               von Lamberg, Freiin von Stein und Guttenberg
               Born 6 August 1850 Frankfurt am Main
               Died 29 August 1929 Zdounek 

Prince Arthur von Thurn und Taxis
               Born 31 July 1842 Prosenitz
               Died 7 October 1848 Prag 

Princess Irene Maria von Thurn und Taxis
               Born 27 April 1847
               Died 18 August 1847 Kosir 


From Royaltyguide.nl

Grave of Rosa and her mother

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7149/thurnundtaxis3.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9086/thurn20und20taxis2.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4393/aurorabattyanyfrauvonha.jpg

That´s all.  ;D

I hope I find new infos.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 09, 2010, 10:23:29 AM
Thanks for the info. I think based primarily on the physical similarities at this point, I think we could state that the lady in the first photo "most likely" would have been Princess Rosa von Thurn & Taxis, pending on more information.  ;)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 22, 2010, 01:42:24 PM
Margarethe as a nurse

(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/7330/71800693.jpg) (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/71800693.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 22, 2010, 01:45:41 PM
My beloved Gloria

(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1397/83448828.jpg) (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/83448828.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2010, 01:50:51 PM
She was a surgical nurse ? I am impressed ! How long did she got trained ?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on December 27, 2010, 11:41:15 AM
1914 when the WWI began, Margarethe asked her husband for a military hospital with 120 beds, it was especially for serious casualty. And there she got a schooling as a nurse's aide. She worked as a surgery nurse till 1920.



By Theodor Kärner

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/TheodorKrner-1.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/YS6UwEN218WA1279968455-1.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/e0CnmiG93cyr1279968453-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on January 03, 2011, 08:08:06 PM
Margarethe as a nurse

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1961/nurse5.jpg) (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/nurse5.jpg/)

 

Even in nurse clothes, she wore jewels!(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Rires/lol1.gif)
What a great woman.

Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 05, 2011, 10:59:42 AM
She became a grand dame as her husband had wished her to be.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on February 07, 2011, 02:35:34 PM
On their Diamond wedding 1950

(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/heleneinbayern/wedding/paar.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on February 07, 2011, 02:43:56 PM
1987

http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/ndr_talk_show/media/ndrtalkshowgloria102.html

"I don´t know why I don´t get pregnant. Maybe God doesn´t want that I have more children. But I´m ready like scouts."

http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/ndr_talk_show/media/ndrtalkshowgloria100.html

"The Germans are generous. You know Africa live off our money"

http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/ndr_talk_show/videos/videoclassics/ndrtalkshowclassics180.html

more

She is so gaga. But I like her.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on February 11, 2011, 08:30:08 PM
An old sketch of Princess Viktoria's Grobnik Castle:

http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotografija/albums/userpics/10001/24-Grobnik-Frankopanski_grad.jpg
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on February 23, 2011, 05:20:29 PM
(http://www.epochtimes.de/pics/2008/01/19/xxl/2008-01-19-xxl--20080119194317_DEU_KARNEVAL_AACHEN_ORDEN_AAC101.jpg)

51st birthday of Gloria!
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on April 05, 2011, 07:21:02 PM
Does anyone have bigger version of this picture of Princess Juliane von Thurn und Taxis,born Countess von Einsiedel?

http://www.hampel-auctions.com/img/auktionen/A46/s/Hampel-44137031.jpg
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on April 09, 2011, 06:12:15 AM
Picture of Ozalj Castle,once property of Thurn und Taxis family,that was gifted to Croatian people by Prince Albert due to the idea of "Croatian Dragon brothers"...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Ozalj_Castle_Aerial_view.jpg
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Zukunftsseele on April 09, 2011, 12:53:11 PM
She was not beautiful, but voguish!

I agree, Rani. She was definitely not a classical beauty. But a nice a generous woman, though.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Zukunftsseele on June 22, 2011, 09:36:20 AM
Does anyone have more info on Marie of Thurn und Taxis - Hohenlohe? Who were her parents? I only know that she wrote letters with Rainer Maria Rilke and there are even books out there. And I only have one photo of her:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/thurn1-200.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on June 22, 2011, 04:29:40 PM
She was daughter of Prince Egon von Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Schillingsfürst and Countess Theresia Maria Beatrix von Thurn-Hofer und Valsassina(daughter of Count Johann Baptist Thurn-Hofer und Valsassina and Countess Polissena Brigido)...Marie herself is a descendant of Thurn und Taxis family,as her father's grandmother was Princess Elisabeth von Thurn und Taxis...

Unfortunately,I don't know much about her life,but I think some of the fellow posters could find something more about her...
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Zukunftsseele on June 23, 2011, 04:21:27 AM
Thanks so much, Marc. That already helps a lot. :-)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Dru on July 18, 2011, 01:54:28 AM
Does anyone know anything about Prince Anselm, son of Prince Ludwig-Philipp of Thurn und Taxis and Princess Elisabeth of Luxembourg?  All I've been able to find on him is that he was killed in World War II.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Zukunftsseele on July 19, 2011, 12:25:13 PM
All I got is that he was born as Anselm Albert Ludwig Maria Lamoral von THURN und TAXIS 14.04.1924 and died 25.02.1944 in Solotaia-Balka, Ukraine during the war. His grave is in Pokrowka.

Anselm and his parents:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/aa1.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/aa2.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/tt_anselm_500px.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/pes_400164.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 03, 2011, 07:28:47 PM
Lamoral von Thurn und Taxis, brother of Rosa and Helene

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1832-1903lamoral.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 04, 2011, 02:37:07 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/1865-1.jpg)


I thought maybe it was Lamoral. But looking at the drawing I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 08, 2011, 07:19:10 PM
Margarethe and Fernanda as brides. Margit on her diamond wedding and Fernanda as a new bride.

(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/heleneinbayern/wedding/mf.jpg)

Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on August 08, 2011, 08:02:10 PM
Just looki at her....I think Margarethe was a fascinating person,down to earth on one hand and on the other,royal from top to toe...and completely bejeweled when necessary!Reminds me a bit of Queen Mary in that aspect!
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 09, 2011, 12:07:51 PM
I read that Margit had a strict (but happy) childhood.

Margit and Elisabeth. I love Margits gown so much

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/mitmama-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 09, 2011, 12:11:34 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/333756.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/margit13-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on August 09, 2011, 12:21:37 PM
Here some photos of a very old Pater Emmeram (Prince Max Emanuel)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/layout-0045001.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/layout-0044801.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/layout-0045201.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/layout-0045101.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/altro.jpg)

Do you also see that Max had the same facial expression like his father Albert?

Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: beladona on October 06, 2011, 08:59:10 AM
I don´t know, if this was posted:
Portrait of Therese Thurn-Taxis (1773-1839) by Franz Gerhard von Kugelgen.
(http://www.portraitminiatures.com/images/contin/cd-Kugelgen-Turn-and-Taxis.jpg)

Fromhttp://www.portraitminiatures.com/home.htm (http://www.portraitminiatures.com/home.htm)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Rani on January 09, 2012, 08:08:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/uVPl3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/CZ5aN.jpg)

Margarete and Antonia von Thurn und Taxis, granddaughters of Albert I. and daughters of Prince Philipp and Princess Eulalia

(http://i.imgur.com/EeZVX.jpg)

Philipp Ernst Prinz von Thurn und Taxis with wife, Prinzessin Eulalia, in the middle the blonde Margarete and the brunette Antonia, on the right Albert.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
Nice photos. That means that they are distant cousins of Princess Gloria's family ?
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on January 10, 2012, 06:23:02 PM
That means that they are distant cousins of Princess Gloria's family ?

No :-)

Gloria's husband Johannes is first cousin of both Margarethe and Antonia as their father Philipp(1908-1964) is younger brother of Gloria's father in law Karl August(1898-1982),who in turn is father of Johannes...
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2012, 07:40:18 AM
Thanks. A bit confusing of the relationships. I bought a German book on the Thurn & Taxis. The family chart was incomplete of all the branches. :-(
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on January 21, 2012, 08:29:33 PM
The portrait of Princess Marie von Thurn und Taxis,born Hohenlohe can be seen on this picture from Loučeň Castle-on the right...

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/MaHohen.jpg)

The same portrait of her also hangs in Torre Tasso Castle in Trieste
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Dru on August 21, 2012, 06:45:33 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8441/7834588002_f8e598d884_z.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8283/7834587342_6a7d0f0fb3_z.jpg)

Prince Anselm and Princess Iniga of Thurn und Taxis--children of Prince Ludwig-Philipp of Thurn und Taxis and Princess Elisabeth of Luxembourg.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Dru on September 06, 2012, 08:32:16 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7946791996_2ece26b694_z.jpg)

Prince Ludwig-Philipp of Thurn und Taxis with his daughter, Princess Iniga.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/7946883068_75dfe2bcfe.jpg)

Iniga with her brother, Prince Anselm.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/7946790778_9071a1e4a8_z.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/7946794424_56a859eebf.jpg)

Two of Iniga alone.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Dru on September 16, 2012, 09:11:21 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/7983702276_66457eba74_b.jpg)

Prince Ludwig-Philipp.
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on November 10, 2012, 10:41:00 AM
As there still doesn't exist any thread about Schoenburg family,I must post here picture of Princess Gloria's grandparents:

http://misshonoriaglossop.tumblr.com/post/35365476740/friedrich-carl-graf-von-schonburg-glauchau-and
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Danjel on December 12, 2012, 11:06:19 AM
Finally, in another magazine I've found the answer, it's not Mathilde, born in 1874, but Amalie Mathilde, born in 1876, daughter of Adolf Lamoral and Franziska
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on December 17, 2012, 09:44:34 AM
Finally, in another magazine I've found the answer, it's not Mathilde, born in 1874, but Amalie Mathilde, born in 1876, daughter of Adolf Lamoral and Franziska

Thank you for identifying the Princess ;)

As you posted above a picture of Princess Lida Eleanor,someone should write here(or on another thread) more about her interesting life,her jewels being stolen,her many disputes and her court battle with actress Josephine Moffitt for officially using the style of "Princess von Thurn und Taxis"...

Here is one more picture of her:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Album%201/Lida_zpsef481fa9.jpg)
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on December 17, 2012, 11:49:08 AM
Hi!


Are there pics of Viktoria Edelsbacher de Gyorok? She was the wife of Egon Thurn und Taxis, brother of Max Anton.

Thanks

I have found a little bit more information about Princess Viktoria...

She was firstly married a wealthy,but an elderly cousin,General Sigismund Lazar de Ecska(1801-1870),a nobleman of Armenian origin,who was exactly 40 years older then her...they were also related as his mother was Elisabeth Edelsbacher de Gyorok...

They had a daughter Marianne Lazar de Ecska(1867-1893),who later married Felix Maria,Count von Harnoncourt-Unverzagt(1857-1934),Aide de Camp of Archduke Franz Feridnand,with whom she had two daughters and a son,also named Felix-junior(1891-1951)...One Victoria's granddaughter Countess Marie Luise(born in 1888) married Karl von Carstenn-Lichterfelde and the other Countess Alice(born in 1892) married Markgraf Arthur Pallavicini,son of famos Makgraf Johann Pallavicini(1848-1941),Austro-Hungarian ambassador to Turkey,the one who declined Emperor Karl's offer to become a Prime Minister of Austria-Hungary in 1917...

Princess Victoria's first father in law Agoston Lazar de Escka(1768–1833) built so called Castle of Ecska,where Victoria lived with her first husband...The Castle was built in 1820 and at the "opening" of the estate 9 year old wunderkind Franz Liszt was playing for many notable guests,including members of Esterhazy family...The Castle was also visited by the Emperor Franz Josef himself in 1852 and also visited by Crown Prince Rudolf,Archduke Franz Ferdinand,who was there a frequent guest,even visited it one day before his murder in Sarajevo and later also King Alexander of Yugoslavia when he hunted on it's ground...

It was also rumored that Franz Ferdinand had in fact here secretly married Countess Sophie in a Catholic church built by Viktoria's first husband General Sigismund...

The last heir to this castle was Antoinette,who died in US,so there are no more heirs left!Here are some pictures of the Castle,which was nationalized after WW II and today is a hotel:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Ecka1_zpsce98a64e.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Ecka2_zps642a667a.jpg)

Here is a picture of Franz Ferdinand from Ecska estate in 1898 with his wife Sophie,Count Felix and his sister Alice,Countess von Hardegg among whose descendants today is Fürstin Theresia zu Schwarzenberg(born Countess von Hardegg),wife of Fürst Karl Johannes zu Schwarzenberg,Czech minister of Foreign Affairs since 2010:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Franc_Ferdinand-1898_Ecka_oroszy_zps733226f6.jpg)


Only a year after her husband's death,Viktoria Edelsbacher de Gyorok married for the second time to Prince Egon Maximilian von Thurn und Taxis(1832-1892).He was very devoted to her and as in Ecska Castle she used to breed horses,Prince organized horse races for rich landowners in Austria-Hungary called "Princess Viktoria's gift" where a winner would get a silver plate...

While living here Princess Victoria was also a patroness of arts and some painters such as Joseph Geugner and Dutch van der Venne painted here...

It is also said that Viktoria didn't treat Marianne,a daughter from her first marriage very well and that she used to put her under House arrest...Anyway,it is said that she managed to escape her mother's "claws" to Vienna where she met Count Felix...the reason for this treatment I don't know :(

The marriage lasted shortly and was not stable at all,but despite this already sick Marianne left the whole estate to Felix in her will.After her death Count Felix traveled to hunt in Africa and India...He later married Therese von Rothenburg and after his death he left the estate to his Pallavicini descendants...

Here is a picture of Princess Viktoria's son in law,Count Felix von Harnoncourt-Unverzagt:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Album%201/Felix_zps0d580e18.jpg)



Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 20, 2013, 10:33:12 AM
This is a quote from the first TUT topic

Margarethe with her son:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/margthurnson.jpg)


Thanks Marc for this lovely picture of Margarethe. The pictures shows her with her first son?

Yes ;)


Hi Marc!

Thanks for clarifying this. I thougth it was with their second  child who died in infancy, Josef Albretch who was born in 1895. I thought this because MArgareth Fashion match with this period.

 
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marie Valerie on January 16, 2014, 10:03:21 AM
Princess Maria Theresia of Thurn and Taxis (*1980), eldest child of Fürstin Gloria and the late Fürst Johannes, is engaged to artist Hugo Wilson.

Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on January 28, 2020, 09:17:39 PM
Egon Maximilian Lamoral (Regensburg 17 Nov 1832-Vienna 8 Feb 1892); m.Écska 11 Nov 1871 Viktoria Edelspacher de Gyoryok (bap Arad 11 May 1841, d.Baltavár 17 Aug 1895)

Viktoria Johanna Edelspacher von Gyoryok was in fact the last of her family:

https://www.arcanum.hu/hu/online-kiadvanyok/Siebmacher-siebmacher-wappenbuch-1/der-adel-von-ungarn-supplementband-magyarorszag-kiegeszites-8D0E/anhang-A941/edelsbacher-edelspacher-v-gyorok-A9FF/

She was also Sternkreuzordensdame, Dame of the Order of the Starry Cross:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Starry_Cross
Title: Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
Post by: Marc on May 14, 2020, 06:34:30 PM
Few more pictures of Princess Viktoria Johanna von Thurn und Taxis (1841-1895), nee Edelsbacher de Gyorok:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/josefnovak33/10362933716/sizes/l/

https://www.theatermuseum.at/onlinesammlung/detail/404545/?offset=0&lv=&cHash=ab59a23c18bf4ae90066102b5543a0ca


It is also interesting that she has grown up and raised in Servasin Castle, which was owned by Edelsbacher de Gyorok family until 1858:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C4%83v%C3%A2r%C8%99in_Castle

Servasin Castle later became famous as Romanian Royal Family's official country residence, once owned by King Michael I and now by Margareta, Custodian of the Romanian Crown.