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Title: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 30, 2007, 03:29:58 AM
NOBLESSE RUSSE: PORTRAITS

***i aoplogize for the lack of information regarding the individuals in the photos, but it took a really long time to scan these, so i noted their surname (as it appeared in the book) & their title (if they had one).    their christian names & patronyms were listed, as well as their maiden names (if they were married), but that would have taken more time than i had.    once again, the names are listed as they are in the book, in French.

(of the families featured, i was rather surprised at how many members of the Russian nobility, and of the Imperial Court, had no title, as such.    being obviously of noble birth, but bearing no title.)    


princesse Bariatinsky


princesse Cantacuzene



princesse Galatzine

comtesse Keller

mlle Khlebikoff


Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 30, 2007, 03:57:35 AM
NOBLESSE RUSSE: PORTRAITS (6 volumes)
by Jacques Ferrand
CONT.


*** correction to the previous post: the name on the last image should be Khlebnikoff.  (i forgot the 'n'.)


mme Kolotinsky


mme Komstadius

comtesse Lamsdorff




Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 30, 2007, 04:18:21 AM
NOBLESSE RUSSE: PORTRAITS (6 volumes)
by Jacques Ferrand
CONT.

mme Krinsky


princesse Obolensky & mlle Petrovo-Solovovo

comtesse Mengden von Altenwoga

mme Lermontoff (née baronne Tchinsky)




Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Svetabel on June 30, 2007, 04:38:08 AM


princesse Cantacuzene[/b]
dressed for a bal costume given by grand duchess Vladimir (no dated given)


Possibly this lady is in the photo with Maria Pavlovna. The event is definitely the same

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/_.jpg)

Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 30, 2007, 04:40:39 AM
NOBLESSE RUSSE: PORTRAITS (6 volumes)
by Jacques Ferrand
CONT.


princesse Sayn-Wittgenstein


comtesse Stenbock-Fermor (née comtesse Apraxine)


mme Woyna-Pantchenko (née de Léman)

"en robe de la Cour pour la présentation aux Impératrices de Russie,
a l'occasion des fétes commémoratives du tri-centenaire des Romanoff en 1913."


mlle Trotzky


princesse Scherwachidze

"elle épousa en 1918 le prince Georges Nicolaiévitch Eristoff"


mlle Saveloff
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: gogm on June 30, 2007, 02:52:22 PM
These are fantastic! Wow! :)
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 01, 2007, 05:25:39 AM
NOBLESSE RUSSE: PORTRAITS (6 volumes)
by Jacques Ferrand
CONT.



mme d'Okoliczanyi d'Okoliczana-i-Lipto  (or possibly ...-Ilipto)
(née princesse Lobanoff Rostovsky)


comtesse Ignatieff


mme Trepoff

Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 01, 2007, 05:31:54 AM
NOBLESSE RUSSE: PORTRAITS (6 volumes)
by Jacques Ferrand
CONT.


closer views of a few


comtesse Stenbock-Fermor
(detail)



comtesse Keller
(detail)


mme Komstadius
(detail)


mme d'Okoliczanyi d'Okoliczana-i-Lipto
(detail)
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 01, 2007, 05:40:12 AM

NOTE:
these images are from volumes 1 & 2.       
i haven't gotten to volumes 4 thru 6 yet.   
all this takes quite a bit of time
because the books (and the majority of the images)
are bigger than my scanner!
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 01, 2007, 07:31:36 AM


(i forgot one...)

princesse Bagration de Moukhrani
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: polignac on July 01, 2007, 05:08:47 PM
Is there any information about princess Cantacuzene, countess Ignatieff, princess Scherwachidze, princess Sayn-Wittgenstein? Thank you
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 01, 2007, 10:42:27 PM
Is there any information about princess Cantacuzene, countess Ignatieff, princess Scherwachidze, princess Sayn-Wittgenstein? Thank you

-- comtesse Catherine Nicolaevna Ignatieff (1868-1914),
demoiselle d'Honneur des Impératrices de Russie.

-- princesse Marie (Mary) Prokofievna Scherwachidze (1890-1986),
demoiselle d'honneur des Impératrices de Russie. Elle épousa en 1918 le prince Georges Nicolaevitch Eristoff (1872-1955), aide-de-campde l'Empereur Nicolas II et officier au régiment des Lanciers de Sa Majesté.

-- princesse Elisabeth Dmitrievna Sayn-Wittgenstein née Nabokoff (1877-1942),
en robe de Cour de demoiselle d'honneur des Impératrices de Russie.

-- princesse Elisabeth Carlovna Cantacuzene comtesse Speransky née Sicard,
en costume de l'epoque élisabéthaine a l'occasion d'un bal costumé donné par la grande-duchesse Maria Pavlovna.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 01, 2007, 11:13:44 PM
.

ERRATA:

the identification for


should actually be:

Nadejda Wladimirovna Bezobrazoff (1893-1949),
en robe de présentation a la Cour.  
Elle épousa en 1917 Victor Pavlovitch Rodzianko.

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Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: ashdean on July 02, 2007, 02:55:20 AM
Is there any information about princess Cantacuzene, countess Ignatieff, princess Scherwachidze, princess Sayn-Wittgenstein? Thank you

--

--

-- princesse Elisabeth Carlovna Cantacuzene comtesse Speransky née Sicard,
en costume de l'epoque élisabéthaine a l'occasion d'un bal costumé donné par la grande-duchesse Maria Pavlovna.
Princess Elisabeth (who was the mother in law of Julia Dent Grant, Princess Michael Cantacuzene) emigrated with her daughter & family and died in 1921 (I think) in Mozambique.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Svetabel on July 02, 2007, 03:24:26 AM


comtesse Ignatieff






By the way this girl was the great love of GD Mikhail Mikhailovich whom he wanted to marry before his meeting with Countess Sophie de Torbay. :)  He was so much in love with her that even his father GD Mikhail Nikolaevich asked the Emperor's permission for his sons' marriage with Countess Ignatieva (Comtesse Ignatieff). Of course Alexander III put his veto.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: ashdean on July 02, 2007, 03:59:39 AM
NOBLESSE RUSSE: PORTRAITS (6 volumes)
by Jacques Ferrand
CONT.


princesse Sayn-Wittgenstein





The Princess was the paternal aunt of the famous writer Vladimir Nabakov.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: ashdean on July 02, 2007, 04:03:49 AM


comtesse Stenbock-Fermor (née comtesse Apraxine)
[img width=439 height=690]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/stenbock-fermorctssneeapraxinectss.jpg[/i


[/quote]The Countess was one of 4 sisters who all made grand marriages (another Princess Bariantinsky was shot with her daughter & son in law in the Crimea in 1921) The Countess (who was a mistress of the robes to the Dowager Empress)died in 1916.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: ashdean on July 02, 2007, 04:09:10 AM

NOBLESSE RUSSE: PORTRAITS (6 volumes)
by Jacques Ferrand
CONT.


comtesse Keller
(detail)
[img width=450 height=644]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/kellerctss2.jpg[/im
Countess Marie von Keller nee Princess Shakovskoy was a great heiress, she had one son (he had one daughter)by her first husband (a brother of the famous society hostess Countess Marie Kleinmichel) after his death she married M von Flotow of the german diplomatic crops...she died in Meran in 1941 age 80.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Alixz on July 04, 2007, 11:04:42 PM
I wanted to bump this thread up because it fits with all of the others where we have been discussing Russian court dress.  The pictures that have been posted are amazing.

I want to know more about the book.  It appears to be in French (which I read rather badly), but I see that it comes in six (no less) six volumes.  It sounds expensive, but I hope not too much as I would love to own it.

Anyone out there have any more information?   ;)
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: gogm on July 05, 2007, 01:05:20 AM
I'm as amazed as everyone else. I wish I could add something.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 08, 2007, 10:47:19 PM
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mme Miklachevsky



princesse Maria Constantinovna Troubetzkoy
née Bouteneff  1899



princesse Daria Mikhailovna Cantacuzene
later comtesse Nieroth
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 08, 2007, 11:08:15 PM
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princesse sérénissime Maria Wladimirovna Wolkonsky
née Louguinine  1898

**NOTE:  there was no mention of it, but she seems to be dressed for presentation at the English Court
(aka The Court of St.James).  
she appears to be wearing the mandatory Prince of Wales plume of three ostrich feathers
(which were always worn slightly on the left side of the head) and the sqaure train....)




Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 08, 2007, 11:27:03 PM

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i don't know why, but out of all these images, this one is my absolute favorite.
i just think it's wonderful.



Paul Alexandrovitch Wassiltchikoff
(1865-1941)
et sa fille Tatiana (b. 1898)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/wassiltchikoff.jpg)
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 10, 2007, 11:07:43 AM
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princesse Elisabeth (Lili) Nicolaevna Obolensky


mme Elisabeth Alexandrovna Kaveline
née comtesse Lüders-Weymarn
2nd husband was
prince Wladimir Nicolaevitch Orloff



mme Chipoff
née Raievsky


comtesse Elisabeth Pavlovna Koutaissoff
(at 18)
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: ashdean on July 11, 2007, 06:28:04 AM

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princesse Elisabeth (Lili) Nicolaevna Obolensky





Princess Lili was the empress Alexandra's mischevious lady in waiting who tied to see Anna Anderson when she was in Paris enroute for the USA.When Anna was told that the Princess was downstairs in the foyer having very respectfully asked for an audience...Anna suprised onlookers (yet again with her knowledge of the Russian court) by summing up the Princesses character in a nutshell !!!
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 11, 2007, 11:39:18 AM
Outstanding photos! all lovely! :) :D :D
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 15, 2007, 12:53:05 AM
Anna Alexandrovna Wyrouboff (aka: Anna Vyrubova)
née Taneieff




mme Woyeikoff
née comtesse Fréedericz



princesse Maria Sergievna Stcherbatoff
(the princess was executed in 1918, by the bolsheviks in Smolensk)

Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 16, 2007, 12:05:46 AM
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princesse Alexandra Sergievna Galatzine
dressed for presentation at the Imperial Court




princesse Natalia Sergievna Galatzine
dressed for presentation at the Imperial Court

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Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 16, 2007, 12:23:26 AM
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princesse Schakhovskoy
née Olenine



mlle Spetschinsky
(later mme von Etter)


princesse Maria Borisovna Stcherbatoff

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Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 16, 2007, 12:31:04 AM
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mlle Olga Vladimirovna von Daehn


mme Schebeko
née princesse Kourakine
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Mari on July 16, 2007, 04:27:46 AM
I had wondered if any of these Women had been executed..during the Revolution. Beautiful Court Dress pictures.... :)
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: BarefootContessa on July 16, 2007, 05:26:32 AM
These photos are so pretty!  Was there a certain age a young lady had to be before presentation to the court?  Was there a special ceremony for each young lady or were several presented at once?
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 17, 2007, 01:10:49 PM
OUTSTANDING!!! MORE MORE!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 17, 2007, 09:02:28 PM
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comtesse Cléopatra (Claire) Constantinovna Kleinmichel
& her brother comte Wladimir Constantinovitch Kleinmichel



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comtesse Natalia Constantinovna Kleinmichel
& Pierre Abramovitch Khvostchinsky



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Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 19, 2007, 07:50:12 AM
VERY NICE! ;D
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: ashdean on July 19, 2007, 11:54:36 AM

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comtesse Cléopatra (Claire) Constantinovna Kleinmichel
& her brother comte Wladimir Constantinovitch Kleinmichel



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comtesse Natalia Constantinovna Kleinmichel
& Pierre Abramovitch Khvostchinsky



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These pictures are no doubt from the "swan song " ball given in their honour by their aunt  the famous St Petersburg hostess Countess Marie Kleinmichel(nee Countess von Keller) during the season of 1914..limited to a mere 300 guests it was much discussed in later years including in the Countesses own memoirs...
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 23, 2007, 07:26:23 PM
princesse sérénissime Maria Wladimirovna Wolkonsky
née Louguinine

"en robe de Cour portée a l'occasion du couronnement de l'empereur Nicholas II."
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 23, 2007, 07:34:02 PM
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la baronne Barbara Grégorievna Wrangell und Wrangell
(
née princesse Galitzine) with her daughter, Barbara Géorgievna

Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: polignac on July 24, 2007, 03:42:44 PM
Is there any information about mme Schebeko, née princesse Kourakine and Pierre Abramovitch Khvostchinsky? Thanks ;)
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: polignac on July 24, 2007, 04:35:47 PM
I've fond this about mme Schebeko: She was born in 10 July 1871 in Andreievskoie, Yaroslav. She named Princess Anna Anatolievna Kourakine, daugther of Prince Anatole Alexandrovitch Kourakine and of Princess Elisabeth Mikhailovna Wolkonsky. In 14 June 1891 she marry with Nicholas Nicholaievitch Schebeko (born in 1863) and had two sons: ALeksandr (1892) and George (1895). All of them survived the revolution..
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 09, 2007, 07:20:24 PM
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click on image for larger version

both fotos princesse Helene (Ella) Konstantinovna Kochubey
(née princesse Beloselsky-Belozersky)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/helenekochubey1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/helenekochubey1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/helenekochubey2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/helenekochubey2.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 09, 2007, 07:36:45 PM
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click on image for larger version

Mariia Pavlovna Spiridonov
(née Lomonosov)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/spiridonoff.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/spiridonoff.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Lisa on August 11, 2007, 12:49:50 PM
Thank you so much!
For me, it's priceless...
I worked on the Russian fashion and I 'm fascinated by the Russian/slavian court dress and its folkloric influences/roots... But at this time, I couldn't see the books by Ferrand...

Tnahk youuuu!! :-*
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: ashdean on August 15, 2007, 05:43:54 AM
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click on image for larger version

both fotos princesse Helene (Ella) Konstantinovna Kochubey
(née princesse Beloselsky-Belozersky)



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Princess Helene was the elder sister of Princess Olga Orlova and inherited from their mother the famous blue eyes of the Skobolev family....their mother was a sister of the famous General Michael Skobolev and of Countess Zina de Beauharnais ..a great beauty..
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 15, 2007, 07:44:00 AM
Princess Helene was the elder sister of Princess Olga Orlova and inherited from their mother the famous blue eyes of the Skobolev family....their mother was a sister of the famous General Michael Skobolev and of Countess Zina de Beauharnais ..a great beauty..

click on image for larger version

Mariia Pavlovna & comtesse Zenaida Dmitriovna de Beauharnais
née Skoboleva
(2nd wife of prince Evgen Maksimilianovich Romanovsky de Beauharnais duke of Leuchtenburg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/marpavzenbeau3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/marpavzenbeau3.jpg)
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Mari on August 18, 2007, 01:26:36 AM
Beautiful!  all the photos and the dresses....so richly decorated...I wonder what  colors were in vogue for Court Dress!! Any of these?
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: pookiepie on September 12, 2007, 09:54:21 PM
so where can you get these books? is there any text in them or is it all pictures?
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: pookiepie on October 13, 2007, 10:18:00 PM
anybody know, or is it pretty much a dead end? i know ferrand's books are hard to find.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: rgt9w on October 14, 2007, 01:22:12 PM
It is interesting to note the maid of honour Chiffres designating the various Empresses the women served in some of the photographs.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on October 14, 2007, 08:01:07 PM
anybody know, or is it pretty much a dead end? i know ferrand's books are hard to find.



the only source i know of is through Arturo at Eurohistory.  i believe the addy is:
books@eurohistory.com

i've no idea what the price may be, though.



btw, they're mostly fotos (w/ captions) & some introductory text for each chapter... but otherwise, they're all fotos.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: pookiepie on October 16, 2007, 01:59:59 PM
yes, i actually emailed him a few weeks ago and sent a message but haven't heard back from him. i'll try again soon, i'm sure he's busy.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Alixz on November 16, 2007, 12:26:57 PM
These books are incredibly expensive.

I have had them on a watch list with a book seller in Scotland.

Just this past month he came up with volumes 1,3,4.

I think a lot of the pictures  that brnbg posted must come from volume 2.  The one that "got away".

You will probably all think I am insane, but the three volumes including shipping from France to Scotland to the US and including a "finders fee" for the book seller cost in excess of $800 USD.

It is my big book expense for the next ten years or so.
Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on November 16, 2007, 06:58:46 PM
These books are incredibly expensive.

I have had them on a watch list with a book seller in Scotland.

Just this past month he came up with volumes 1,3,4.

I think a lot of the pictures  that brnbg posted must come from volume 2.  The one that "got away".

You will probably all think I am insane, but the three volumes including shipping from France to Scotland to the US and including a "finders fee" for the book seller cost in excess of $800 USD.

It is my big book expense for the next ten years or so.



but they are amazing.

Title: Re: Ladies of the Russian Nobility in court-dress
Post by: Alixz on January 07, 2009, 08:55:48 AM
As I said before, these books:   Noblesse Russe: Portraits by Jacques Ferrand are incredibly expensive, but also a good investment.

I paid a total of $1700 USA for four volumes and they are now worth $3700 USD.  Not that I would ever sell them. I probably couldn't find a buyer at this time.  But I plan to keep them and who knows what might happen in the future?

Those of you who paid less are even luckier than I.