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Imperial Claimants Post Here / Re: For Serious Claimants, Please

« on: July 03, 2004, 12:13:52 PM »

It's not quite clear that 'free' is the appropriate term given that by any measure or stretch of the imagination, the Soviet Union was the worst generally recognized government in the history of the modern world.    

I used the phrase 'generally recognized' because the USSR was recognized by Western governments as legitimate.  I don't believe the US recognized Hitler's Reich as a legitimate government, but I could be wrong on that.  If it had, it certainly broke diplomatic relations quickly.

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Imperial Claimants Post Here / Re: For Serious Claimants, Please

« on: June 29, 2004, 12:27:12 AM »

The problem Lisa, is that the tested Victorian lineage doesn't match the Gill results.  This isn't too surprising because there is published variance at position 16111 between T and C in several female line QV descendants, with no heteroplasmy.  This variance is published in Purple Secret: Genes, Madness and the Royal House of Windsor, London, 1998.

So which 'Victorian lineage' are you referring to?

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Imperial Claimants Post Here / Re: Imperial Family Claimants Post Here . . .

« on: June 23, 2004, 11:42:08 AM »

Having met in emergency session, with the Sargent at Arms Mr. Elmer T. Fudd present, the Claimant Committee must protest the misguided elitist, divisive,  and authoritarian attempt to divide the Claimant Community into two separate categories.  

We can only imagine the nefarious motives behind such a transparent attempt to undermine the Committee's true authority and confuse the minds of all would-be claimants.  

What is more, we find the invitation to be outright cynical, because the posting person has failed to ask for money up front, which in our opinion is not only unethical, it is very unprofessional too.

Caveat Emptor!  There is only one true Claimant thread.

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?

« on: June 19, 2004, 06:41:22 PM »

We have a thread here on this very board dedicated to this question.  Feel free to peruse at your leisure.  

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?

« on: June 19, 2004, 06:08:53 PM »

I don't think competence is the issue.  There is no doubting the skills of Maples and his associates.  There was at least one other American forensics team that had observed the remains, but refused to sign off on their identity.

From my understanding, the job given to the forensics teams was not to identify the remains as that of the Imperial Family, because that was a forgone conclusion, but to confirm individual identities.

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?

« on: June 19, 2004, 03:00:14 PM »

To those who have written that they are 'inclined' to accept the DNA results: which DNA results are you referring to?

I should mention that there were actually several American teams that examined the remains.  There was also a group from the University of Colorado that refused to sign off on the conclusions drawn by the Russian Commission.

As far as Maples, Levine, et al are concerned, they admitted that their work was hampered by a lack of time, a lack of facilities, and no medical or dental records by which to form a proper reference to compare the remains.  In other words, they were working entirely under the assurances and instructions from the Russian Government that the remains were the Imperial Family.  From that flimsy assumption, they based their conclusions.  

This gross violation of methodogy is sufficient to invalidate the osteopaleoforensics as it relates to establishing the identity of the Ekaterinburg remains.

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?

« on: June 19, 2004, 02:13:15 PM »

Penny, you've said a mouthfull too.  If Yurovsky was so inexperienced and naive, why would the famously ruthless, methodical and motivated Bolsheviks have sent someone with such paltry skills and experience to do such an important job such as wiping out the entire Imperial Family?  

Robespierre wasn't so careless when he went after the French Royal Family.  Why would the Bolsheviks, known admireres of the French Revolution, have left anything to chance, if chance is what it was?

Now, on to ballistics.  Is there a significant noise difference between the release of a couple of handgrenades, and some 100 rounds of high calibre bullets fired in an enclosed space?

Guess which would be the louder if the firing was occurring more or less in parallel?

The answer, of course is either a wash or the bullets would be louder, or a greater disturbance.   This is because while with hand grenades a couple of loud 'pops' would be heard, a continual barrage of weapons firing in an enclosed space over a period of a few minutes would probably be a greater disturbance, wouldn't you agree?

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?

« on: June 19, 2004, 02:08:29 PM »

'Robert Hall' wrote that Goleneisky was a 'CIA' agent.

Where is your proof that he was a CIA agent?

His actions were consistent with that of a classic 'Trest' style double agent.  

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Did any of the Romanovs survive?

« on: June 17, 2004, 06:51:04 PM »

It's not a question of 'All Bolsheviks lie all the time.' That's an obvious mischaracterization, and is not at all entailed by my prior commentary.

A better, more logical characterization would be 'of the set of comments made by bolsheviks regarding this matter, which is, or are true and which is, or are false?'

The problem is the fact set from which conclusions regarding the truthfullness of contemporary accounts have been, and are presently being drawn from, is elastic when by all rights it should be static.  This result presents per se prima facie evidence of the unreliability of contemporaneous partisan accounts.  

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Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna / Re: Ella's grave in Jerusalem & her relics

« on: June 15, 2004, 10:47:52 AM »

Nick is correct as far as Israel turning over ROCA property to the Russians.

However, this business about a 'will' is nonsense.  Her wishes were to be buried where Christ walked, which is a long way from Muscovy.  

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The Alexander Palace / Re: "At Home with the Last Czar" exhibit

« on: June 14, 2004, 03:58:06 PM »

Give 'em 'ell, Melissa!


I'm sure the docents were well trained before hand, so one has to imagine that they were merely spewing forth the party line.  

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The Final Chapter / Re: Were the Grand Duchesses raped?

« on: June 01, 2004, 11:34:41 PM »

Since I'd love to see this thread disappear, I'm going to create a 'poster's health forum,' so we can compare and contrast our various aches and pains.

Another service provided by the Claimant Committee. . .

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The Final Chapter / Re: Were the Grand Duchesses raped?

« on: June 01, 2004, 11:19:15 PM »

My toothache is a mere annoyance.  :-/

You are in my prayers for good health!  

But this thread is really too much, and there are some genuinely inappropriate images being presented here.

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The Final Chapter / Re: Were the Grand Duchesses raped?

« on: June 01, 2004, 10:51:51 PM »

My sympathy and best wishes for a full and rapid computer recovery for Bob.

Myself, I am going to have to have a root canal later this week.  

The bad part is having to wait to get it done.   :-/

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The Final Chapter / Re: Were the Grand Duchesses raped?

« on: May 31, 2004, 10:39:27 PM »

Okay, try this:

Please locate an authentic document issued by the Tsar that goes something like this:

'I Nikolai, By the Grace Of God, do hereby authorize my peasants and drunken soldiers to rape, murder and kill All Jewish persons living on my estate.'

Go ahead.  Look hard.  Take your time.