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Forgive me if this is in the wrong place - I wasn't sure if I should post it here or in the general Romanov forum. I'm currently reading Ella by Christopher Warwick and I'm confused by the information about Serge's tomb. I was reading the description of the tomb Ella had built on page 235 and that the shroud was placed on display following his tombs rediscovery beneath a parking lot in 1990. I had always been under the impression that the tomb was not intact but upon reading this description of the stars on the ceiling and all the incredible work put into it I'm not sure if my understanding is correct. Could anyone clarify this for me?



« on: August 23, 2007, 11:19:27 PM »
Like Bob, I don't think the evidence leaves much doubt as to the identity of these two bodies. Of course, I'm anxiously awaiting the DNA results to give us the irrefutable proof of their identities. I'm happy to know that there is an end in site and that this family that loved each other so much will finally be able to rest in peace - together. What a wonderful day.

I just reread the paragraph and I did read it incorrectly. I feel stupid  ::) It changed to a forensic comparison of her face and ears  which concluded she was anastasia and then in the same paragraph goes back to DNA again and concludes that the test said she was Anastasia. I feel silly now but the paragraph was rather confusing and jumbled. Thanks for your response, though!

Forgive me if this is mentioned somewhere. I've not seen this particular quote anywhere in the threads. I just finished reading The Lost World of Nicholas and Alexandra by Peter Kurth. I was a bit thrown by a sentence on page 218.

The experiment was later successfully repeated by specialists in the United States, and their concclusions, too, were delivered with "certainty" -- Anna Anderson WAS Anastasia.

Was this a typographical error that should have read was NOT Anastasia or was there actually a DNA test that claimed Anna was Anastasia. I'm definitely a "non" believer but this was the first time I'd seen a positive test referred to.

I can't resist adding the reports that the body in the casket was not Elvis. Passer's by report seeing his sideburns "melting off" as if his body were made of wax.  (Sorry, my grandmother was an Elvis nut) :)

The Final Chapter / Re: "Stuck" jewels
« on: February 01, 2006, 07:33:46 PM »
I've read conflicting accounts. One stating that the "remains" I'm assuming including the finger (which may or may not have actually been the empress's as it is said it was NOT manicured and looked like a mans as well) were secretly buried and the remaining items were placed in the church wall. Also, the church supposedly said they had no remains. I'm sure someone else can answer more definitively.

The Final Chapter / Re: Grand Duchess Marie and Ivan Skorokhodov?
« on: January 29, 2006, 06:45:03 PM »
I would guess that they had a good idea that eventually at least the Czar would be put to death. They may have worried more about Alexei being taken away and used as a figurehead more than being killed. I can't imagine that they had any idea the four girls would be killed. Still, if I were in their shoes I would probably be fearful of my life but human nature and their strong faith in God would probably make me think it would work out. I'm sure the royal family felt a strong conflict of feelings in those last months.

The Final Chapter / Re: Bathing
« on: January 29, 2006, 06:41:56 PM »
I found it odd that they liked to bathe soc much. They must have been walking prunes! FOTR did mention that Yurovski had to ask them to not bathe as much because it was using up all the hot water.

The Final Chapter / Re: "Stuck" jewels
« on: January 29, 2006, 06:39:27 PM »
I wasn't sure if those were stuck or not? Perhaps they were because their parents had given them to them as children.

The Final Chapter / "Stuck" jewels
« on: January 29, 2006, 10:59:38 AM »
Has there ever been any mention of the jewelry that they were unable to get off when it was collected? I believe Nicholas's wedding ring was stuck and a bracelet of Alexandra's? I hate to think that after their death perhaps they were cut off or if they had been left on the remains surely they would have been in the grave.

If it's possible that the grave was opened in 1927/28 by Stalin and we are unable to find the grave with the 2 sets of remains is it possible that the grave they could have opened was the one containing Alexei and Anastasia? Is it possible that they found and removed their remains but the remains of the other 9 weren't located?

Have there ever been any claiments who say they were Nicholas, Alexandra or any of the retainers? Being older and less prone to change, it would be a dumb thing to do imo but there are certainly crazy's out there who might try!

The Final Chapter / Re: The Missing Bodies
« on: January 28, 2006, 09:39:08 PM »
Having finished reading FOTR I have this question. In the many searches that have been done for the remaining two bodies, have they been able to use the method (Forgive me but I'm not sure what it's called!) similar to sonar in which they can see through the ground and make out images? I know that the Ekatrinburg area of Russia seems to be a bit behind scientifically and it seems the officials frown on help from other countries. (I gathered this from the book. Don't mean to offend anyone if it's not true!) There certainly has to be something left as even a modern day cremation isn't 100% effective in controled conditions. I found the comparison to Adolph Hitler and Eva Braum's "cremation" very informative. If nothing else, there must be remains of the other bodies still there with the number of missing bones.

I find it interesting that most "witnesses" of the time agree 2 bodies were burned, buried seperately etc but very few agree on how/where/whom. Yes, they were tired, some were drunk etc but it still leads me to believe that there was a coverup of somesort. Someone messed up. No, I don't believe anyone lived through that night but there just seems to be too much confusion.

The Final Chapter / Re: Alexis reaction...
« on: January 26, 2006, 10:11:01 PM »
In FOTR King & Wilson say that after the initial firing on the Czar, Alexandra and Botkin (I believe are the 3 who went down first) Alexei was sitting very pale in the same chair his father had placed him in. (I imagine with his leg troubles, he still couldn't walk and had little choice but to wait for his ultimate death) One of the guards fired several rounds into him and he slipped to the floor but was still alive. They finished him off with the bayonetts.

I highly recommend FOTR for an accurate mental image of what happened that night. I'm so glad the folks here recommended it. It's horrific but it really puts everything into perspective.

A lot of libraries will order a book for you if they don't carry it. Have you tried asking them?

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