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Balkan Royal Families / Re: My grandmother ...
« on: July 21, 2022, 09:11:34 PM »
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Balkan Royal Families / Looking for my grandmother real family ...
« on: July 21, 2022, 08:36:44 PM »
I am searching about my grandmother history.
She was born in Russia in the year of 1910. She already die in 1985. Her name was Anna Vochminova.
Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was. My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
Anna , my grandmother had also own Ikon.
In 1955 in spa city of Marianske Lazne in western Bohemia the younger part of family lived with Anna.
Two of the children opened the religious Ikon that was Anna's only remainder and connection of her history in Russia.
This Ikon was about an inch thick and was hollow.The girls found a documents inside that were written in Russian language.They took these documents to the school asking the teacher of russian language(russian language was a compulsory subject at Czech school at that time)to translate it to czech language.The teacher took it home and never gave it back to the girls-saying that it was stupid and incredible story(the content of documents).
The girls never told Anna about these documents being afraid of punishment.
I found recently some information about my grandmother's adoptive family. I have searched for that almost 5 years ...
My gradmother's adoptive father was born 1886 in Czechoslovakia. When he was only 16, somehow he left to Russia and settled down in town
Verkhne Udinsk (after 1934 this town was rename, and now is call Ulan Ude).
There he got merried with russien widow Nadezda Vochminova. She had two daughters. One was from previous marridge and second daugther was adopted.
Until 1918 was not any history about them. When Czech legion fought again communist troops, my great-grandfather enroled as a volunteer.
He fought with Czech legion until 1920 and later he and his family were evacuated from Vladivostok. On a day August 7, 1920 they sailed with 34. transport on warship "HUNDSENT".
They arrived October1, 1920 to Terst.
From my family record I recovered, that my grandmother's adoptive parents divided in Vladivostok. My grandmother with her sister and her mother Nadezda Vochminova sailed away July 5, 1919 on ship "SIMBIRSK" and my grandfather left by warship "HUNDSEND".
Also interesting is, I find out from copy of my gradmother's birth certificate, that her adopive mother descent from family IOANNOV.
My mother told me, that her mother told her, that when they rided in military train to Vladivostok, she (my gradmother) was wrapped in a wood barrel. Soldiers were telling to everyone not to come to close, because she had a typhoid.
Last week my cousin went for DNA test and answer was , that my family is originaly from Balkan, I have result of that, but is in czech language ... 42.2 % Balkan
She was born in Russia in the year of 1910. She already die in 1985. Her name was Anna Vochminova.
Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was. My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
Anna , my grandmother had also own Ikon.
In 1955 in spa city of Marianske Lazne in western Bohemia the younger part of family lived with Anna.
Two of the children opened the religious Ikon that was Anna's only remainder and connection of her history in Russia.
This Ikon was about an inch thick and was hollow.The girls found a documents inside that were written in Russian language.They took these documents to the school asking the teacher of russian language(russian language was a compulsory subject at Czech school at that time)to translate it to czech language.The teacher took it home and never gave it back to the girls-saying that it was stupid and incredible story(the content of documents).
The girls never told Anna about these documents being afraid of punishment.
I found recently some information about my grandmother's adoptive family. I have searched for that almost 5 years ...
My gradmother's adoptive father was born 1886 in Czechoslovakia. When he was only 16, somehow he left to Russia and settled down in town
Verkhne Udinsk (after 1934 this town was rename, and now is call Ulan Ude).
There he got merried with russien widow Nadezda Vochminova. She had two daughters. One was from previous marridge and second daugther was adopted.
Until 1918 was not any history about them. When Czech legion fought again communist troops, my great-grandfather enroled as a volunteer.
He fought with Czech legion until 1920 and later he and his family were evacuated from Vladivostok. On a day August 7, 1920 they sailed with 34. transport on warship "HUNDSENT".
They arrived October1, 1920 to Terst.
From my family record I recovered, that my grandmother's adoptive parents divided in Vladivostok. My grandmother with her sister and her mother Nadezda Vochminova sailed away July 5, 1919 on ship "SIMBIRSK" and my grandfather left by warship "HUNDSEND".
Also interesting is, I find out from copy of my gradmother's birth certificate, that her adopive mother descent from family IOANNOV.
My mother told me, that her mother told her, that when they rided in military train to Vladivostok, she (my gradmother) was wrapped in a wood barrel. Soldiers were telling to everyone not to come to close, because she had a typhoid.
Last week my cousin went for DNA test and answer was , that my family is originaly from Balkan, I have result of that, but is in czech language ... 42.2 % Balkan
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Balkan Royal Families / My grandmother ...
« on: July 21, 2022, 07:19:51 PM »
I am searching about my grandmother history. She was born in Russia in the year of 1910. She already die in 1985. Her name was Anna Vochminova.
Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was. My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.
Anna was saved during revolution and adopted by widow merchant Nadezda Vochminova who consequently married a Czech legionar named Josef Bednar(Omsk or Yekaterinburg) who took her with his military unit when they were evacuated back to Czechoslovakia via Vladivostok and Italy.
All my family would like to know, who she really was. My mother told me that her mother(Anna) told her some memory from her past when she live in Russia, before she was adopted. She was only young girl, but she remembered that she lived in the monastery and every Sunday some lady came visited her. Sometimes she took her to nice palace with waterworks and colonade.
I have some picture of my grandmother. I woud like to show to you.
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Films and TV shows about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia / Nice short video with pictures of Family Romanovs ...
« on: November 10, 2015, 04:10:26 PM »5
The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: a claimant from Russia, Omsk
« on: May 25, 2013, 12:09:20 PM »Oh my gosh, the family resemblence is amazing. I can't believe how much she looks like Grand Duchess Olga, later in life when she was living in Canada.I do not see any resemblance from the picture with Russian language
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The Imperial Family / Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« on: May 25, 2013, 12:05:50 PM »Thank you very much for your quik answerCould somebody please tell me, who is infant sister Natalia?
...when Stana attended exams of Gavriil and Ioann in Livadia and then brought them at first news of their infant sister Natalia's birth and then her death ...
The second daughter of GD Konstantin K., she was born in 1905 and died the same year.
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The Imperial Family / Re: Prince Ioann Konstantinovitch (1886-1918) - letters
« on: May 25, 2013, 04:03:34 AM »
Could somebody please tell me, who is infant sister Natalia?
...when Stana attended exams of Gavriil and Ioann in Livadia and then brought them at first news of their infant sister Natalia's birth and then her death ...
...when Stana attended exams of Gavriil and Ioann in Livadia and then brought them at first news of their infant sister Natalia's birth and then her death ...
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Research Russian Roots / Re: Russian desendants! Why not move back to Russia? Let's do it!
« on: February 19, 2012, 10:12:05 PM »
Many of these desendants do not speak russian
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Research Russian Roots / Re: My Gt Grandperants
« on: February 19, 2012, 10:07:35 PM »Prior to 1920, Odessa was part of Kherson Governorate. Carl Urbanek seems to be a German name, which is not unlikely: the region had a sizable ethnic German population.Carl is maybe German name, but Urbanek is Czech name
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Research Russian Roots / Re: Born in Russia about 1910
« on: May 14, 2011, 01:53:55 AM »
Two days ago I sent e-mail to this web page http://www.familytreedna.com/Default.aspx with this question:
My grandmother was born in Russia about 1910. Our family have a letter from her step-father, that she descent from Russian family Romanov's. How we can identify her past? She already died in 1985
They answered me this:
Thank you for your email. Can you please confirm if this is your maternal or paternal grand mother? In July 1991, nine bodies were exhumed from a shallow grave just outside Ekaterinburg, Russia. Circumstantial evidence, along with mitochondrial DNA sequencing and matches, gave strong evidence to the remains being those of the Romanovs, the last Russian Royals who were executed on July 18, 1918. The testing may be able to indicate if you are matching these DNA signatures but it could only indicate that you are related (we would not be able to say how close the relationship may be as it could be going back many hundreds of years.)
So they wrote that is only strong not 100% evidence to the remains being those of Romanovs
My grandmother was born in Russia about 1910. Our family have a letter from her step-father, that she descent from Russian family Romanov's. How we can identify her past? She already died in 1985
They answered me this:
Thank you for your email. Can you please confirm if this is your maternal or paternal grand mother? In July 1991, nine bodies were exhumed from a shallow grave just outside Ekaterinburg, Russia. Circumstantial evidence, along with mitochondrial DNA sequencing and matches, gave strong evidence to the remains being those of the Romanovs, the last Russian Royals who were executed on July 18, 1918. The testing may be able to indicate if you are matching these DNA signatures but it could only indicate that you are related (we would not be able to say how close the relationship may be as it could be going back many hundreds of years.)
So they wrote that is only strong not 100% evidence to the remains being those of Romanovs
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Research Russian Roots / Re: "Between St. Petersburg and Europe: One woman's story"
« on: September 20, 2009, 11:20:16 AM »A maybe somewhat better version of the text is available in adress
betweenstpetersburgandeurope.blogspot.com
If there is somebody who could correct my text in English there, I would be very grateful. I would appreciate even other comments about the text as for example if you can understand what I am trying to say or not.
Thanks a lot and greetings
Amely
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11015.0
I do not continue on my story, because I got e-mail from Ekaterinburg that they can not find for me any more informations.
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Research Russian Roots / Re: Born in Russia about 1910
« on: July 01, 2008, 02:16:04 AM »Midle of this month I came back from Czech Republic, where I was wisiting my family and also I tray to find out more informatoins about my grandmother.
From my family record I recovered, that my grandmother's adoptive parents divided in Vladivostok. My grandmother with her sister and her mother Nadezda Vochminova sailed away July 5, 1919 on ship "SIMBIRSK" and my grandfather left by warship "HUNDSEND".
Also interesting, I find out from copy of my gradmother's birth certificate, that her adopive mother descent from family IOANNOV.
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Research Russian Roots / Re: Born in Russia about 1910
« on: July 01, 2008, 02:13:57 AM »Midle of this month I came back from Czech Republic, where I was wisiting my family and also I tray to find out more informatioins about my grandmother.
From my family record I recovered, that my grandmother's adoptive parents divided in Vladivostok. My grandmother with her sister and her mother Nadezda Vochminova sailed away July 5, 1919 on ship "SIMBIRSK" and my grandfather left by warship "HUNDSEND".
Also interesting is, I find out from copy of my gradmother's birth certificate, that her adopive mother descent from family IOANNOV.
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Research Russian Roots / Re: Born in Russia about 1910
« on: July 01, 2008, 02:11:39 AM »
Midle of this month I came back from Czech Republic, where I was wisiting my family and also I tray to find out more informatoins about my grandmother.
From my family record I recovered, that my grandmother's adoptive parents divided in Vladivostok. My grandmother with her sister and her mother Nadezda Vochminova sailed away July 5, 1919 on ship "SIMBIRSK" and my grandfather left by warship "HUNDSEND".
Also interesting is, I find out from copy of my gradmother's birth certificate, that her adopive mother descent from family IOANNOV.
From my family record I recovered, that my grandmother's adoptive parents divided in Vladivostok. My grandmother with her sister and her mother Nadezda Vochminova sailed away July 5, 1919 on ship "SIMBIRSK" and my grandfather left by warship "HUNDSEND".
Also interesting is, I find out from copy of my gradmother's birth certificate, that her adopive mother descent from family IOANNOV.
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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Fifth Daughter Claimant - Alexandra DeGraffe
« on: June 23, 2008, 12:25:49 AM »Has anyone ever herd of this story? They are claims that instead of miscarriange Alexander had given birth to a 5th daughter named Susan De Garrieff and gave away because the gender of the child. Anna anderson had met this women claiming her as her sister.In which year was 5th daughter born?
De Graaff, who later called herself "Princess Alexandra," claimed that she had actually been born in 1903, the year that Tsarina Alexandra experienced either a "hysterical pregnancy" or a miscarriage. According to letters and diary entries by the family that were later published, Alexandra did not give birth to a child in 1903.[3] However, de Graaff claimed that because Nicholas and Alexandra already had four daughters and there was pressure upon them to produce a male heir to the throne, they decided to place their supposed fifth daughter with adoptive parents. Philippe Vachot, a doctor and "holy man" at the Imperial court from Lyon, France, supposedly arranged for the baby to go to Hemmes.[4] De Graaff's claims are seen as plausible by some because Vachot was supposedly hired by the Romanovs at a time when they were desperate for a male heir, pursuant to his claims to be able to influence the sex of children at an early stage of pregnancy. Accordingly, when the fifth girl, later to become de Graaff, was supposedly born on September 1, 1903, Vachot had motive to secret the child away and claim that the Tsarina had not in fact been pregnant. Her pregnancy had been previously reported in the European press.
In 1905, several months after the August 1904 birth of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich of Russia, Vachot returned to France a rich man, having been generously compensated by the Romanovs.
De Graaff told the London Telegraph in October 1968 that Hemmes told her the truth about her origins in 1937. At that time she received her dowry from the Romanovs: five million rubles, a cloth belonging to the crown jewels, china and "trinkets." Hemmes supposedly told her that he had received "hush money" from the Romanovs to stay quiet about his daughter's true origins. An intriguing side note to the story is that Hemmes, who came from a poor family and was himself impoverished, was able in 1919 to build a luxurious home for his family in Rotterdam, which he later lost through incompetent business dealings. Moreover, Suzanna de Graaff left the paper rubles she claimed to have received as a dowry to her three children, one of whom, Anton van Weelden (de Graaff was married twice, producing van Weelden from the first marriage and twin daughters from the second), showed his portion to reporter James Lovell in 1989. Lovell reported in his book "Anastasia: The Lost Princess" (St. Martin's Press, 1991) that the pre-revolutionary rubles shown to him by van Weelden had apparently never been circulated; they were new, still crisp and in numerically sequential order.
Anderson told the London Telegraph that she accepted De Graaff as her sister. The two women first met in Germany in about 1950 and exchanged letters.[5] De Graaff's sister Adriana Hemmes rejected de Graaff's claim to be a fifth daughter of Nicholas and Alexandra as completely false and was estranged from de Graaff in their later years.[6] De Graaff died of a heart attack in November 1968.[7]
It should be noted that de Graaff never tried to capitalize on her claims, and in fact made them public only weeks before her death.