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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Dukes & Duchesses of Alba
« on: August 13, 2006, 06:41:21 AM »
Cristobal Colon is one of the reasons why I mixed up la Duquesa Roja e la Duquesa de Alba: THEY BOTH ARE INTERESTED IN CRISTOBAL COLON... (one of the others reasons is that I was so tired, so thanks again to Arturo and to Luke...)
la Duquesa de Alba because Colon is her ancestor, and also because she has so many documents about him (it is said that worldwide historians were asking for a gift of these documents to Spanish Archives) La Duquesa Roja because she wrote a book on Colon, as she has a theory (Years ago I saw a documentary on the subject: she also has documents from Medinaceli Archiv): she wrote that Colon DID NOT DISCOVERED american Continents... that these lands were yet well known of arabian captains and sailors... Also she is prayed to give her documents to an University or an Archiv to favourish storicals works.

Frankly, I like the red Duchess, but I think that her theory seems very feable, for many reasons. I agree that somebody before Colon had intuition of the existence of some lands or that Vikings boats could have sailed until North Islands near Canada.... But I have doubts when she says that arabian sailors did many many travels - before Colon - from Africa to America. If one knows some  meditterranean cities and ports and has studied what was ( and still is) the life in the mediterranean...  where not a secret remains hidden, where a spanish captain knows what occurs in Egypt or Venice immediately...  it is impossible. Maritime Mediterranean life (the backgroung of Colon) was  like a village - with also its own common language, la lingua franca...

The genealogic work of Arturo is really interresting;  :D - also its gives us a possibility to consider how many gifts the life gives us when we are conceived - but specially interresting are the names of the ancestors of Arturo , the ones focused and, I guess,  the others ones.

I am curious about the sons of Cristobal Colon: Diego, the Duke your ancestor WHO IS SAID to have had so many difficulties with the spanish crown for the inheritance and Hernando who wrote a book of geography.  I Know that Colon's family has had problems until the end of eighteen's century for the Colon's inheritance related to the contracts he signed with the spanish crown. THE RETURN OF CRISTOBAL COLON  FROM ANTILLAS IN CHAINS  and that 300 YEARS' CASE are'nt the signs of a scandalous ROYAL'S INGRATITUDE ??. :-\

   Inscribed in Latin are the following words: HELVETIORUM FIDEI AC VIRTUTI or THE LOYALTY AND  BRAVERY OF SWISS, and the names of the martyred soldiers who were sacrificed, are also inscribed below the lion.

One of the reasons I wrote that the story was complex is that one: the poor soldiers and swiss officers were oblidged to fight 3 times (on 10th of Aug. and on 2 and 3 September). A Swiss friend just confirmed that aspect of the tragedy. An other aspect is the hudge massacre it has been : 786 men died – 26 officers and 760 soldiers, many of them young - and  366 survived, many of them wounded…

My Swiss friend just sent me the entire inscription carved on the rock:
(I hope my traduction will be rather correct...)

                                   HELVETIORUM FIDEI AC VIRTUTI
                                     to the loyalty and bravery of Swiss

                         on days 10th of august 2nd and 3rd of september 1792

                        here are the names of thoses who, to do not betray their oath

                              FORTISSIME PUGNANTES CECIDERUNT
                                    with great bravery, fighting, died.
                       here below are carved the names of the dead officers

  (here are the names.ecc) survived because of the effective help of friends
                       here below are carved the names of the survived officers

The story of this last aspect (surviving by the help of friends) is also rather moving: many of them died during the fights but some of them also died after the fights (they were in the streets, without weapons) because killed in the streets by the mad crowd, but the last ones were helped and hidden during days and monthes by parisians friends...

Now I report here the thoughts of a french historian when he visited the Monument of the Lion de Lucerne :

Le Lion mourant de Thorwaldsen est taillé dans le rocher même … (il) semble avoir été, le pauvre animal, aussi bon et noble qu'il était puissant. Il meurt, comme un chien fidèle, sur l'écusson des lis qu'il a juré de défendre. Il meurt et semble pleurer; s'il pleure, ce n'est pas sur lui: Voilà un vrai monument suisse. C'est une gloire unique, je crois, chez les artistes modernes, d'avoir fait le monument national d'un peuple. J'y retournai ce soir, et j'en fus encore plus touché. Les arbres qui couronnent ce rocher semblaient aussi pleurer. Le bassin qui est devant réfléchissait la noble image, en la pâlissant et lui donnant un caractère d'indécision fantastique. [...]

Jules Michelet (1838)
(french historian)

This TRAGEDY impressed so much the fantasy of the people of many nations during so many time during the 19th century that, as I said, many similar lions were sculpted in the world. Here is an other one set up to the memory of american soldiers died during the civil war (Colby)

Your, sincerely

M. Canard

  m. Canard,  thank you for posting the images of the Lion of Lucerne,your contribution is much appreciated.  :)  ;)

Thank you,

The story of these poor guys, these faithfull men, had always filled my soul of pity... and also, I consider this terrible day as the very begenning  of a period of blood and madness... as a mad machine only feeded with violence and blood...that period finished with the death of Maximilien Robespierre and his closer group of Jacobins (1794).

From 1789 until this awfull day, french Revolution can be considered as an attempt to govern as french philosophers and american governants advocated (as Montesqiueu, Diderot, George Washington and so many others) with Louis XVI as constitutionnal king and a govern from the middle class to administrate the nation.

After Robespierre was beheaded, the successive period was dedicated to Money (earning or stealing money to every situation or nation...) until the return to law and order ... (that is First Empire)

Thanks to remember the sense of the latin words and the existence of the NAMES of the poor soldiers...

Your Thankfull and
M. Canard

Iberian Royal Families / Re: Dukes & Duchesses of Alba
« on: August 11, 2006, 06:10:07 PM »
The sister of Empress Eugénie de Montijo (she was called Paquita) married a Duke of Alba, but she died rather young ( 1861, I guess )...

Have fun with the titles and a map...

M. Canard

The story of this tremendous error (fault) is a little bit more complex... Anyway, the poor victims must not be forgotten. Here is my feable contribution :

The true Swiss monument

and an american version (Univ. of Indiana ??) (there are so many in the world)

Your desolated

M. Canard

I forgot to write that she was enthusiat of Fascism... She was also rather close to some fascist italian leaders and always ready to meet other european fascists... :-[  So we can say that she converted to Fascist Faith... ::)

Your amused

M. Canard

French Royals / Re: Siblings of King Louis XVI
« on: August 11, 2006, 02:35:26 PM »
... I just got back from a few days in Paris, it was wonderful. I visited the Conceirge (sp?) and saw the lovely memorial to Madame Elisabeth...

Eventually it could be the Conciergerie ??? ??? A hudge royal palace witch became a jail on the XVth century... until the time of Napoléon Bonaparte.

Balkan Royal Families / Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
« on: August 10, 2006, 05:31:24 PM »

I hope it works better. ..

Did someone knows were they were ? I mean in what palace ? Peles ? or what ???

Is Michel de Roumanie living in Elisabeth' Palace ?? Are there actual and old pictures of Elisabeth Palace ??

Best regards

M. Canard

Scandanavian Royal Families / Re: King Oscar I of Sweden and his family
« on: August 10, 2006, 04:18:52 PM »
Beautiful fotography, Marie-Charlotte, because RARE, I guess...

So, Yseult,

I do not know if you knew in what way Hortense lived before and after the fall of the empire; SHE HAD A VERY COMPLICATE LIFE. After she leaved Louis,she live for a while in Paris but she became pregnant of Flahaut and she needed to leave Paris. Eugène - father of little Joséphine, helped her and she returned to Paris. ( the baby was the future Duc de Morny, powerful during second empire...) First Empire falled and her mother died. At the beginning she was far from Napoléon, but when N. returned from Elba island, Hortense turned to him and after the second fall, she begun a very difficult life in exile (Czar and french king do not wanted her in France with her sons) So the situation was rather hard, but Eugène helped her, obtaining from his Father in law, king of Bavaria the possibility for Hortense to live in Augsbourg, not far from Munich were he lived with his family. She bought Arenenberg Castle in Switzerland but only for a summer residence.
When Eugène died, she leaved Augsbourg and lived mainly in Arenenberg.

French Archives have hundreds letters of  "napoleonic" rulers to Hortense, and hundreds  letters from Eugène to Hortense, and also from H. to her brother and from Eugène's wife to Hortense and... about 50 letters from Little Joséphine to her aunt Hortense ! I hope this information can help you to understand the situation...

now let me give you some pictures:

Little Joséphine :

her coat of arms when she became a queen:

her wappen :

her husband Oscar 1 , as young crownprince:

now Oscar in one of the first photography in Sweden, a very rare document...

and Oscar as a king, more mature

That's All, folks...

Your devoted

M. Canard

French Royals / Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« on: August 10, 2006, 02:27:41 PM »

Dear M. Canard, that´s very interesting...I am always so impressed by your widepread knowlegde!  ::)
It´s impossible. I think, we others are all to bad for you ;D

... It´s really interesting, how widespread this "familytradition" and "nepotism" was also under the reign of Napoleon III., there were so many men with good and high positions and titles descending somewhere from the Bonaparte line, or having  same ansistors more far away: Like the counts d´Ornano...

And please: if you can, phone or write to this organization, I would be very interested and curious!


Dear Britta,

I like your sense of humour,  ::) but M. Canard is not a peacock, he is an humble duck and wants to remain a poor gruff pedantic duck ...  ;)

My dear friend Pritchard is not present on the Forum, so I promise you to phone to our brave and generous Knights and to tell you every detail of the talk... Be patient and consider that we are in august, that many people is now, and until the end of august, long away from work and offices...

I kiss humbly your hands  :D

your devoted  ::)

M. Canard

P.S. I agree with you about the particular napoleonic nepotist tradition... but consider first the italian origins of N.I : at this time, that means a mental structure that trusts FIRST in the family, clan, intimate group as brothers, uncles, husbands of the sisters, brothers-in-war, his military group -.  Second, if we consider the special positions (related to the problem of keeping power) of the two emperors, we can understand that they NEEDED  a nobilty. They equally needed an integration of antic nobilty in their First Circle and a creation of a new nobilty,  depending directly from themselves, to govern, administrate, overlook. Old nobilty had some experience (of "how to became a royal", for example...)
 Anyway I do not appraise very much all the napoleonic tribu... only some individualities (I appraise Eugène, Hortense, Mathilde and N.III f.e) and I do not like - but I recognize the genius of N.I, a man able to clearly understand and manage with greatness so many problems ... among the new napoleonic nobilty, few of them remained faithfulls or simply gratefulls... and among the "bipolar nobilty" (persons formerly nobles that N.I gived a title...) there were good and bad persons (as persons who played the card of the new nobilty when N.I or N.III were ruling and played the other one, of antic nobilty when they were taken away from the Great Stage of the Power).

French Royals / Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« on: August 08, 2006, 02:30:17 PM »
Salve Britta, Salve My Dear Friend.

Logic says that also Napoleon and family, AS emperor, princesses, kings and so on are of Napoleonic Nobilty (the situation of their descendents is the same as the situation of a descendent of Prince de la Moskova if there is one, ecc). Only Pauline was a Princesse Borghèse but Dermide died and there is no descendents...

The real questio remains : ARE THE NOBLES OF 1rst and 2nd EMPIRES authorized to claim for a title of Knight (whatever it could be) of the Sov. Order of Malta???

It seems possible to ask the Sovreign Order, by Jove !! They have an adress in Roma, and they will certainly answer kindly, as Knights they are...  I live in Italy, I can write or phone to them, If you want.

And also, I have something for you, una chicca (a grape) as we say in Italy:                ..... A MEXICAN SITE FOR NAPOLéON .... something sub-real... with a serious

Mensaje de S.A.I. el Príncipe Charles Napoléon al pueblo de México,

and a not less serious

Mensajes de los Mexicanos al Príncipe Charles Napoléon, jefe de la Casa Imperial de Francia

I remain Your devoted

M. Canard

Scandanavian Royal Families / Re: King Oscar I of Sweden and his family
« on: August 07, 2006, 07:06:51 PM »
Dear Yseult,

(I apologize for my bad english and I try to rectify some mistakes)

I think that the answer is yes, Little Joséphine could have been sometimes in direct contact with her grandmother in France. I found a biography of Eugène, her father (I quoted only the situations you asked for) :

year 1807
14 march, Milano : birth of Joséphine, first daughter of Eugène & Auguste-Amélie.
Created Princesse de Bologne on December 29th, 1807;
created Duchesse de Galliera on May 28th, 1813
& later - by wedding Reine de Suède.

year 1809
2 december-18 febbruary 1810 : journey of Eugène in France for the divorce Napoléon-Joséphine

year 1810
1rst march Eugène is back in Paris : Eugène raised the title of heir of  the Grand-duché de Francfort
12 mars-17 juillet : journey of Eugène & Auguste-Amélie in France for the wedding of Napoléon & Marie-Louise

year 1811
4 march-17 july : journey of Eugène in France for the birth of the son of Napoléon & Marie-Louise.
Eugène becomes heir of the Royaume d'Italie IF NAPOLEON HAS NOT A SECOND SON.

year 1813
8 august : Eugène leaves Italy with his family for Munich. From Munich he goes probabely to Paris in autumn for few days, then returns to Munich

year 1814
9 may-24 june, Eugène is in Paris and Malmaison. Empress Joséphine dies the 29th of May.

Could we immagine that during no one of these journeys the little girl was with her parents or with her father ?

If I found something more precise, I will tell it to you.  :)

Your devoted

M. Canard

French Royals / Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« on: August 07, 2006, 06:44:46 PM »
M. Canard,
Do you know if any of the descendents of the nobles created by Emperor Napoléon I have yet been accepted into the SMOM as Knights or Dames of Honour and Devotion?

My Dear Friend,

I think SMOM means Ordre Souverain de Malte ?! (I am not a specialist of Knight orders) So my humble opinion is : 

1// Bonaparte has been a plague for the Sv. Order (1798, with 600  war-boats and 30 000 soldiers general Napoléon Bonaparte coureagously assailed Malta who (he knows) had only 300 knights and 6.000 soldiers…) Also the french Republic appropriated the  properties of the Order in France and wherever France ruled…. So…

2// but History is a river and goes on… the Sov. Order counts 12 000 members and as we said before the descendents of Napoléon are very integrated in the group of  the Royals, and the descendents of napoleonic nobilty are also very well integrated in the european aristocracy… But

3// as you know –but someone in the Forum purhaps do not – the Sov. Order is still a rigid theocratic-aristocratic system and there are only 3 sorts of members ; (let me say that in french now) :    
a-les chevaliers d'honneur et de dévotion , (the one you tell in your question, Knights of Honour and Devotion)
b-les chevaliers de grâce et de dévotion,
c-les chevaliers de grâce magistrale
(Same 3 sorts of titles for the women, les Dames etc...)

To became a “a-knight” (chevalier d'honneur et de dévotion) you may present 8 noble direct ancestors  (vous devez présenter huit quartiers de noblesse) that means all your gran-grandfathers and grangrandmothers have  been pure nobles !!!!!!!!. Is the Napoleonic nobilty accepted by the Sov.Order? I think so, but I am not absolutely sure. Anyway rares are the persons ables to present such a score... many weddings were contracted out of nobilty's circle during the last two centuries...(so many rich american girls and so on...)

To became a “b-knight” (chevalier de grâce et de dévotion) you may prove 2 centuries of nobilty  (vous devez  prouver deux siècle de noblesse) that means the line of your father has to be noble from 200 years and for the nobilty created by Napoléon this could have been hard stuff…until 2004

To became a c-knight  (chevaliers de grâce magistrale) you have no noble ancestor to present… purhaps if you are very generous, it helps ??? Anyway, to became a member of the Sov. Order, you need to strictly obey to 4 conditions:
to be a catholic
to be presented by a Knight of the Order
to have worked for the order during some years
to accept the ethic of the Order.

End of the party : your questio was Do you know if any of the descendents of the nobles created by Emperor Napoléon I have yet been accepted into the SMOM as Knights or Dames of Honour and Devotion?
And my answer is that I do not know the name of the 12 000 members, that I remember not a napoleonic' nobilty name among the names of the Knights and Dames I can remember, but it could be, it could be....

IF IT IS, I hope that before their admittance, they are obliged to fall down on their knees and to ask pardon, grace, mercy, forgiveness to the 12 000 members of the community and to the souls of the poors 300 knights of true nobilty, surrending to Général Bonaparte because they choosed to lose anything in obedience to their rule witch prohibits them to fight against other christians…

Your devoted

M. Canard

French Royals / Re: Imperial France: House Bonaparte news
« on: August 07, 2006, 08:31:41 AM »
...and now think of Napoleon, he was only from low Corsican nobility, but from a rather poor, but good and noble family, his ancestors were from Sarzana and Florence and had good positions. The name Bonaparte (Buonaparte) was given to Napoleons ancestry as a sign of honour in the time of the civil wars in Italy in the middleages...

Hello, Britta, you seem well-informed; I just want to add some details and considerations: as I am living near Lucca and Pisa, I know a very interesting private archiv... (it is a little more than an archiv, so I explain) ... named La Zecca di Lucca. Zecca means money but also the institution were money is really elaborated.(Geld praegen I mean) In Lucca this elaboration began very very soon (probabely under Roman ruling) but is securely documented only from 12th century. They don't do money anymore, of course (they stopped when Carlo II "sold" Lucca to Tuscany on 1847 to return for briefly ruling Parma)  but they can show you old machines, very old  documents and so on... One of the things they can show you is the coat of arms of the Buonaparte family, as one of the families responsibles for ruling the territories, long time ago. And they relate this coat of arms with Pisa rulers (Lucca and Pisa were fighting for the territory).
Also in Pisa there is something who tells about nobility of the Buonaparte: there is in Piazza dei CAVALIERI  an University (created by Napoleon and called La Scuola Normale or La Normale. From this school are the main politics of Italy... ) Into the school are painted the arms of coat (wappen) of all the post-medioeval  nobilty, the so-called CAVALIERI DI SANTO STEFANO (Knights of San Stefan) and one of the teachers (in History) of this school said me that the arms of some ancestors of Napoleon are here painted...

Something else: about the "heir of Bonaparte dynasty"; I met him briefly once in Ajaccio on occasion of a party... for some cultural event... he seems to me a very very very busy young manager not at all antipathic but really ambitiously busy , so if you want something from him, try to offer something to him that could be usefull for his projects... About the reasons of his divorce, for me the discussion could be out-forum (but the responsibles persons who are ruling the Forum must decide) as this topic belongs only to his private life. Could we like our own divorce be discussed on Internet?

Last thing, about the too much recent nobility of the Bonaparte among the royals: AS YOU SAID, to be a royal is a question of success in the conquest of power. But then they became a class apart, with their own cultural rules (cultural in a large sense, antropologically) and I think THAT makes really a ROYAL:  his possibility to adapt and fully adopt these rules (as an example of these rules, it could be the things you buy, the things you wear, the way you talk, and so on to infinity...) On this point of view, quite all the Bonaparte had a sudden integration, more easy by some weddings (Wurtemberg, Eugène, etc) their richness (for some of them), and their intelligence to act (mainly) with some politic sense,  witch makes them possible consorts for the older nobility during the 19th century (with some out-sider)

Best regards, I hope I help you a little bit.

Balkan Royal Families / Re: King Mihai of Romania and his family
« on: August 04, 2006, 08:37:33 PM »
I was not able to see "War Stories" with the king. :'(

Dear Palimpsest, as Michel de Roumanie seems to sincerely love music, purhaps would  he be happy to see these 2 pictures of Queen Elisabeth with 2 genius of romianan music:


the first, as you see, is a duo between the Queen and Dimitrie Dinicu, a great violoncellist, and also director of romanian Orchestra at the beginnin of the century ;

this second is a chamber concert with a lady at pianoforte, GEORGE ENESCU, romanian genius of the violin and composer, and the same Dimitrie DINICU (without the moustaches...) (you know that there was also a GEORGE DINICU brave composer and violonist, but here on the 2 pictures is the other one I said)  Queen Elisabeth helps the pianist with the score...  :) :) :)

For a better view of the secon one, JUST CLICK THE ADRESS  or if you want insert the adress in the browser :

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