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Rasputin / Re: What did Alexei and OTMA think about Rasputin?
« on: June 14, 2006, 09:32:49 AM »
True, Mie, he might have seen odd to them.

But on the other hand, children are very openminded and accept a situation such as it is. He might have seem odd, but once they got used to him, that was probably not a big deal. I would imagen that he was a bit exotic to them, very different from anything else in their lives.

But that, of course, is just my thougts.

//Grigorevna




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Rasputin / Re: Reasons for canonization?
« on: May 19, 2006, 02:33:16 AM »
OK. Once again - my intention was not to debate the ”chanses” of a canonization, rather to find out more about how supporters of this idea reason, and how strong that group is within the R-O church. I have a distinct feeling that this group get more publicity than they should have. That is why I started this thread. I do not defend their views.

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Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Reasons for canonization?
« on: May 18, 2006, 08:20:38 AM »
And, Carpe Diem, that radioprogram was interesting indeed!

It shows the connection between nationalists and radical factions of the church and the will to canonize R.
Unfortunately, the ultra-nationalists are growing like weed in Russia at the moment.

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Grigorevna


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Rasputin / Re: Reasons for canonization?
« on: May 18, 2006, 08:08:00 AM »
And still he played along with the game of the church, and let himself be photographed together with potentates and high-ranked priests. He knew that he undoubtedly was in need of the church to reach the higher realms of society. If he had had the opportunity I don't think he would have said no to an official post. There is a series of photos taken with him in a priests caftan (I think 1907 or 1908). He is wearing a crucifix tucked into the jacket. Those pictures were not at all popular with the church, since he posed as a priest.

So I don't think he disliked the church in particular, I think it started by they finding him to headstrong to fit into their strict hierachy.

Anyway it is very ironic that parts of the same church would like him canonized nowadays.
Illidor would have had a fit, had he known.  ;)

//Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Reasons for canonization?
« on: May 18, 2006, 02:06:45 AM »
Thanks for a very interesting answer. I am glad to find a person who has given this some thought. Personally, I agree with your point of view on Grishkas life. I find it very difficult to "judge" how he lived, though his actions might have been faulty. He lived in another culture, another century, under very special circumstances. Given his background, and were he ended up, he was almost bound to become controversial, whatever his actions might have been.

I also do agree with you that his rumor would be quite an obstacle for a canonization. But suppose - just for the thought of it - that Gregory Yefimovichs rumor is far worse than his actual actions. Wouldn't the real actions be more important than the rumor? Can the church really pay any attention to slander?

Just a thought.

And just to be sure that no misunderstandings occur - I do not think that Gregory Yefimovich should be canonized.

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Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Where to find Rasputin's teachings?
« on: May 18, 2006, 01:47:18 AM »
Thanks!
//Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Reasons for canonization?
« on: May 17, 2006, 08:52:29 AM »
Hi everyone!
I've been thinking a bit about this canonization-of-Rasputin-issue that some within the Russian-Orthodox church is persuing. (Which I personally find quite crazy.)

Can anyone please give further details on:

1. How common is this view? Is any person of higher rank within the church actively stressing the question right now?

2. Which are the main reasons for a canonization? Is it on basis of that forge-last letter that G.E is said to have written, or is it on basis of his "healing" powers? Or something else?

3. To be a martyr and to be canonized - is this viewd as being the same thing within the R-O church? I.E to be canonized - are you automatically viewd as a martyr?

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Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Where to find Rasputin's teachings?
« on: May 16, 2006, 02:05:46 PM »
This is really interesting, something I've been looking for for a long time.  :)

I'll see if I can find it on f.ex Amazon. Is it available there, do you think?

And how much is "expensive"?

Best Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Translations of "My Thoughts and Reflections"
« on: May 16, 2006, 01:10:10 PM »
I'll check that out ASAP!!


Thanks!

//Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Translations of "My Thoughts and Reflections"
« on: May 11, 2006, 12:23:42 PM »
Hi there!
I'm sorry, I can't offer you an solution to your problem, since I am not sure at all that there actually IS a translation to that text!

BUT... I would be SO pleased  :) if you could share the text you have, I read some Russian and I am VERY interested in reading it. Can you e-mail it or something? How long is it?

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Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Rasputin's home and village- still standing?
« on: February 26, 2006, 03:37:19 PM »
hi Rudy!

I must say that you have provided this forum with some very unusual pictures! I have seen the one with the house, but never the one with R in the telega.
And it really looks like him!!
Thanks!!
//Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Pictures of Rasputin
« on: January 25, 2006, 12:12:57 PM »
Yes, and one more thing. The debauchery that GE Rasputin was guilty of, were probably not any worse than many others in the high circles of society at that time. Going to prostitutes and sleeping with other peoples wives, yes that is despicable, but hardly "evil".

I think - but that is my personal point of view - that it was/is so easy to target him with all kind of dirty things, just because he was a peasant. What I mean is, that for example prince Yussopov was known for living quite an adventurous life, but he was hardly accused of being some kind of devil reincarnated.

I do not defend GE Rasputins actions, he was not a pleasant person, but it is interesting to put them in another perspective. i.e. class.

Best Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Pictures of Rasputin
« on: January 25, 2006, 09:10:54 AM »
I think it is a relief to read statements such as Richard Cullens. He is quite accurate. This web should be devoted to finding out facts and sharing them with others. If I wanted myths I could read any of the onehundered and one slanderous book that was written about the "holy devil" after the revolution.

//Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Where to find Rasputin's teachings?
« on: December 11, 2005, 03:33:21 PM »
Yuck, anti-semite, that is terrible.  >:( My Russian has never been splendid, but from the little I managed to figure out from the book, he seemed to have quite strange views... Acutally I stopped reading because I didn't like his way of putting things. And I was right...!!

//Grigorevna

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Rasputin / Re: Where to find Rasputin's teachings?
« on: December 06, 2005, 03:08:37 PM »
Hi!
The fact is, I have Platonovs book in my bookshelf, I bought it in Russia about ten years ago. What kind of record does this writer have? Who is he? Historian, no?

//Grigorevna

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