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The Final Chapter / Re: Rescuers of Romanovs
« on: February 06, 2005, 07:28:41 PM »
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The only excuse I could make for him is that he was a King under pressure in war time. He wanted to assure his people that he was thoroughly 'British' & with them. The war had dragged on too long & I don't think his motives were entirely to 'save his crown' but rather to 'save his country.' The truth is (IMO) has the Romanovs come here, the British people would have moaned a bit (we seldom go overboard!!) but it would have been alright....


that same summer, that same june-july, i believe, G offered asylum to marie of romania and her entire family, as the germans overran bucharest and the russians overran other parts of R. they refused his offer and went further into the countryside and eventually the offensive tide was turned back.

did he offer to missy because of their past? (missy grown up in britain; missy and george having been 'sweet' on each other;) or because he couldn't have another dead royal family on his head?

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would all those who consider themselves members of the prosecution team IM me so that we can get progress reports?  thanks.


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Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« on: January 29, 2005, 07:00:20 PM »
the saint Daphna story reminds me of st. maria goretti, who, at the age of 12 when one of her father's farmhands tried to force himself on her with a kitchen knife, allowed him  to stab her 44 times (leading to her death) rather than give in.  before she died she forgave him. as this happened in 1911 (i think), the civil authorities of course imprisoned him for life for murder. somehow, out of this rather mundane crime of passion, sainthood followed for her.

as cynical 1970s teenagers, we elected her to be our class patron saint, of course with none of us having the intention of protecting our virtue so far.

but her story has always made me wonder about what turns a victim of a spectacular crime into a martyr.  yes, i know that it is the subsequent certification of miracles in her name, but still...

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News Links / Re: putin is the victim of the jews
« on: January 29, 2005, 06:51:05 AM »
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What was the medal for?


liberating auschwitz.  putin recieved it "on  behalf" of the red army.  the president of poland recieved one to, for what i must check.

"The rabbi praised Russia's role in liberating Auschwitz and liberating Europe from fascism and praised Poland for improving its ties with its small Jewish community and in hosting the ceremony."

but neither the rabbi nor putin mentioned the jews murdered there.  i don't know if president Kwasniewski mentioned the slaughtered jews there.  somehow, i think he would.

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News Links / Re: putin is the victim of the jews
« on: January 28, 2005, 08:33:15 PM »
interestingly, at aushwitz, putin never mentioned the jews murdered there, even as he recieved his medal.

the gifting of that medal is causing a lot of trouble within jewish political circles all over the world, as it was granted by one 'orthodox' sect which has managed to make a lot of money and gain a lot of power in russia at the expense of the larger remaining jewish community.

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News Links / Re: putin is the victim of the jews
« on: January 28, 2005, 08:30:48 PM »
And then, at auschwitz, putin recived a medal from the same jews who are    vicitmising him:

http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2005/01/27/news/camp.html

Leaders mark the Auschwitz liberation
By Judy Dempsey International Herald Tribune
Friday, January 28, 2005

AUSCHWITZ, Poland Leaders from more than 40 countries gathered Thursday for an emotional ceremony to remember the victims of the Holocaust on the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp by Soviet troops.

The ceremony here was held close to the railway sidings where tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, Slavs and homosexuals had been transported to their deaths in one of the most notorious of the Nazi concentration camps. The sides of the railways tracks were lined Thursday by big, bright candles.

The survivors, many in their 80s, sat patiently Thursday in the open air despite the freezing temperatures and a biting snow storm that persisted during the afternoon ceremonies.

It was the largest ever gathering of survivors for an Auschwitz anniversary and the ceremonies, attended by Europe's leaders and royalty, underscored how this could be the last time an anniversary will be attended by survivors. More than 1,000 had been invited. The ceremony ended with the haunting sounds of train whistles, conveying the sense of wagons arriving and inmates descending into the camp.

"President Bush has said of the Holocaust, 'there will come a time when the eyewitnesses are gone,"' said Vice President Dick Cheney, who earlier had spoken at a ceremony in the Juliusz Slowackiego theater in Krakow, some 60 kilometers, about 40 miles, west of Auschwitz.

"That is why we are bound by conscience to remember what happened and to whom it happened," he said.

The survivors were covered in thick blankets, fur hats and woolen coats while Polish soldiers served them hot drinks to keep them warm during the three-hour ceremony.

They had arrived - along with the prime ministers, presidents, princes and princesses from across Europe - amid a massive security operation. More than 3,000 police officers were mobilized to stand watch along the road that connects Krakow to Auschwitz.

The road, which wound its way along forests shrouded in snow, fields covered in white and small villages, had been sealed off to public transportation and traffic from the early hours of the morning. Villagers peered out from windows to see the cavalcade of police cars, buses and official cars passing through this part of the Polish countryside.

Among those who addressed the gathering in Auschwitz were survivors of the camp that had been set up in 1939 and which by 1942 had become the biggest center for the mass extermination of European Jews. More than 1.5 million people, mostly Jews, were killed in Auschwitz.

When Soviet troops reached the camp on Jan. 27, 1945, there were only 7,000 survivors, many barely alive. The Nazis had driven most of the prisoners who could still walk through the snow on a "death march" toward camps farther west.

Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, a former Polish foreign minister who for decades had sought reconciliation between Germans and Poles, spoke on behalf of Polish prisoners. Simone Weil, the French lawmaker, represented Jews. Romani Rose from Germany's Council of Romas, made a short speech on behalf of European Gypsies.

Rose specifically thanked the German president, Horst Köhler, for asking him to attend the ceremony at Auschwitz. Köhler, representing the country that perpetrated the Holocaust, was not invited to speak.

The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, representing the liberators of Auschwitz, used the occasion to warn against compromising with terrorists.

Dressed in a thick black coat, Putin praised the "valor of the Soviet soldiers who lost 600,000 lives for the liberation of Poland. We will never forget that the Soviet Union paid an enormous price of 27 million lives for that great victory."

However, Putin also warned about making any compromises with terrorism.

"We shall not only remember the past but also be aware of all the threats of the modern world," he said. "Terrorism is among them and it is no less dangerous and cunning than fascism. And it is equally cruel: It has already claimed thousands of innocent lives."

With little emotion, Putin said the Holocaust showed just as "there were no 'good' and 'bad' fascists, there cannot be 'good' and 'bad' terrorists. Any double standards here are absolutely unacceptable and deadly dangerous for the civilization."

Toward the close of the ceremony and as darkness started to fall, the chief rabbi of Russia, Berel Lazar, presented Putin
and the Polish president, Aleksander Kwasniewski, each with a special medal. The rabbi praised Russia's role in liberating Auschwitz and liberating Europe from fascism and praised Poland for improving its ties with its small Jewish community and in hosting the ceremony.

Earlier at the Juliusz Slowackiego theater, Putin, who was one of the main speakers along with Cheney, Kwasniewski and President Moshe Katzav of Israel, won long applause after he acknowledged the persistence of anti-Semitism in Russia.

"Even in our country, in Russia, which did more than any to combat fascism, did most to save the Jews, even in our country, we sometimes unfortunately see manifestations of this problem and I, too, am ashamed of that," said Putin.

He was referring to a letter, recently signed by 500 Russians, including nationalist members of the Duma, demanding that all Jewish organizations be outlawed and officials who supported them be punished. The letter also accused Jews of fomenting ethnic hatred and provoking anti-Semitism.

"Anti-Semitism has returned to Russia," said Moshe Kantor, chairman of the board of governors of the European Jewish Congress and one of the main organizers of the anniversary ceremonies.  Kantor, a Russian industrialist specializing in the aeronautics and space, said in an interview there existed in Russia "a consortium of economic and political interests" behind the letter. It was no coincidence the letter had been drawn up just before the Auschwitz anniversary, he added.


The ceremonies Thursday began with a forum organized by the European Jewish Congress that brought together young people from around the world, Auschwitz survivors and former Soviet soldiers who freed the camp.

Anatoly Shapiro, who commanded the Russian unit that captured Auschwitz 60 years ago, won loud applause when he said: "I would like to say to all the people of the earth: Unite, and do not permit this evil that was committed."

Shapiro, 92, had made a recorded video since he was too ill to travel from his home in New York.

Three other former Soviet soldiers, their suit jackets decorated with medals and ribbons, stood in a theater box to take applause and then appeared on stage where Kwasniewski presented them with medals.

Kwasniewski said the lessons learned from Auschwitz had to be constantly repeated and not only during special ceremonies.

"The world has not always heeded the sad lesson of Nazi crimes," he said, vowing to "ensure that future generations never forget."

Kwasniewski had earlier said on Polish radio: "When I see ethnic purges in the Balkans or what is happening in some African countries, I have to note that, unfortunately, the message of Auschwitz has not been heeded.

"We must constantly remind each other of the message, not only when there are ceremonies like the one today."

In Strasbourg, France, the European Parliament president, Josep Borrell, said it was important never to forget what happened during World War II, when the Nazi regime under Adolf Hitler killed millions of Jews, homosexuals, Slavs, Gypsies and handicapped people.

"Everyone is surprised such a thing happened, but it did," Borrell said. "It's difficult to pay just memory to it. It is a battle against the weakness of memory, something which should never happen again. "If we forget history, we are condemned to repeat it."

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News Links / Re: putin is the victim of the jews
« on: January 28, 2005, 05:48:43 AM »
from the wall street journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB110664595661435075-IRjgYNglaV4nZ2qaXqIbqqGm4,00.html

Russian Lawmakers Call For Ban on Jewish Groups

Associated Press
January 25, 2005 4:56 a.m.

MOSCOW – A group of nationalist lawmakers is calling for an investigation aimed at outlawing all Jewish organizations in Russia, accusing them of fomenting ethnic hatred and provoking anti-Semitism.

In a letter dated Jan. 13, about 20 members of the lower house of parliament, the State Duma, asked Prosecutor General Vladimir Ustinov to investigate their claims and, if they are confirmed, to launch proceedings "on the prohibition in our country of all religious and ethnic Jewish organizations as extremist."

Arguing that Jews were to blame for anti-Semitism, the authors of the letter want Jewish groups outlawed based on legislation against extremism and fomenting ethnic discord.

"The negative assessments by Russian patriots of the qualities and actions against non-Jews that are typical of Jews correspond to the truth, indeed these actions are not random but prescribed in Judaism and have been practiced for two centuries," says the letter, faxed in part to the Associated Press by the office of lawmaker Alexander Krutov.

Thus, it says, "the statements and publications against Jews that have incriminated patriots are self-defense, which is not always stylistically correct but is justified in essence."

The stunning call to ban all Jewish groups comes amid concerns of persistent anti-Semitism that continues to plague Russia. Jewish leaders have praised President Vladimir Putin's government for encouraging religious tolerance, but rights groups accuse the authorities of failing to adequately prosecute the perpetrators of anti-Semitic and racial violence.

Russia's chief rabbi, Berel Lazar, said the lawmakers were either insane or "quite sane but limitlessly cynical" and were hoping to win support "by playing the anti-Semitic card."

With Mr. Putin planning to join events this week commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz by Soviet troops, Russia's Holocaust Foundation head, Alla Gerber, said it was "horrible that as we're marking the 60th anniversary of this tragic and great day ... we can speak of the danger of fascism in the countries that defeated fascism." She said that while the Russian state itself is no longer anti-Semitic, there are "anti-Semitic campaigns that are led by all sorts of organizations."

"The economic situation is ripe for this, an enemy is needed, and the enemy is well-known, traditional," Ms. Gerber said.

Echoing anti-Semitic tracts of the Czarist era, the letter's authors accuse Jews of working against the interests of the countries where they live and of monopolizing power world-wide. They say the U.S. "has become an instrument for achieving the global aims of Judaism."

"It is possible to say that the entire democratic world today is under the monetary and political control of international Judaism, which high-profile bankers are openly proud of," the letter says.

Along with outlawing Jewish organizations, the lawmakers call for the prosecution of "individuals responsible for providing these groups with state and municipal property, privileges and state financing."

The prosecutor general's office could not immediately be reached for comment on the letter, which the Interfax news agency said was signed by lawmakers from the nationalist Rodina and Liberal Democratic parties as well as the Communist Party.

Mr. Krutov, a Rodina member, is deputy chief of the Duma's Committee on Information Policy.

Copyright (c) 2005 The Associated Press

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News Links / putin is the victim of the jews
« on: January 28, 2005, 05:46:49 AM »
from novosti:
http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160&msg_id=5343839&startrow=11&date=2005-01-26&do_alert=0

 PUTIN AS A VICTIM OF ANTI-SEMITISM
2005-01-26 09:46
MOSCOW (RIA Novosti political commentator Pyotr Romanov) - On the day when the world recalled the liberation of Auschwitz prisoners by the Red Army 60 years ago, 500 Russians who claim to be patriots filed a suit with the Prosecutor General's Office in Moscow, demanding that Jewish organizations be closed down in Russia.

These people - some of them are deputies of the current State Duma - believe that Jews blow up their synagogues, defile Jewish cemeteries and fan anti-Semitism in Russia. One of the authors of that initiative, Deputy Alexander Krutov (Homeland), told television journalists that Judaism was even guilty of making human sacrifices. And this is not the Middle Ages.

Russia's Chief Rabbi Berl Lazar was not prepared for the powerful intellectual offensive of the modern-day Black Hundred and hence spoke highly emotionally at a press conference: "The gentlemen who signed that crazy document are unbalanced... And I cannot help them because I am not a psychiatrist."

Unlike the rabbi, Russian Jews do not believe Mr. Krutov is crazy, as they have seen too many of such outwardly healthy people. This is why the Moscow Human Rights Bureau, the International Society for Human Rights, and the Holocaust Foundation filed a counter-suit with the Prosecutor General's Office and the President. They demand that the authorities note the growth of neo-Nazi sentiments in Russia, which, according to a recent report from the Global Forum Against Anti-Semitism, is third in the world for strongly anti-Semitic sentiments. It is poor consolation that France and Britain are at the top of the list - it is their shame and they will have to deal with it.

January is a bad month for Russian Jews. The phrase "residence limit" joined the Russian vocabulary in January during the rule of Alexander I. Solomon Michoels, head of the famous Jewish theatre, was killed on Stalin's orders and the persecution of the Antifascist Jewish Committee began in January 1948. Next followed the notorious "Jewish doctors' plot." And now Mr. Krutov and other Black Hundred members have added their names to the dishonorable January list, which also includes deputies from Mr. Zyuganov's Communist Party (KPRF) and Mr. Zhirinovsky's LDPR.

But the main victim of that anti-Semitic action is not the Jews but President Putin, even though he is invariably polite with the hierarchs of the main faiths of Russia. The trouble is that he will have to answer for the silly and crude escapade of 500 pseudo-patriots, which is bound to have broad international repercussions.

As for the mental health of the authors of the anti-Semitic letter, Rabbi Lazar is wrong: Though they are not very clever, they certainly had a specific political goal in mind. The suit filed by the Black Hundred was prompted by a desire to promptly drive a new wedge between Russia and Israel, while the two countries are trying to smooth over misunderstanding about Russian arms deliveries to Syria.

The only thing they disregarded is that Mr. Sharon and Mr. Putin will come to an agreement, one way or another, while the Black Hundred and Mr. Putin will never find a common language.

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ah, belochka,

the defense is so very well populated and also carries the emotional goodwill of most of the list members while the prosecution suffers, limps even!

but i know that if he joins your team, it was by fair means, not foul...

but the invitation to join the prosecution is extended to all here who wish to critically examine NII and his actions.

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My point was: had the revolutionaries allowed the majority, i.e. the peasants to make their own decision, then nothing would have happened.


the peasants had a traditional communal system for local decsionmaking: the zemstvo.  many reformers, i.e. prince lvov, were involved in the zemstvo system in their gubernyas.  but the centralized bureaucracies were afraid of even that system, either its use or its expansion.  and so, when stalin finished what lenin began, he went after the peasants who had participated/benefited from this system first: they had leadership qualities, they became 'kulaks'.

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So perhaps Lenin was right as far as that was concerned, i.e. the peasants don't necessarily know what's best for them, or even if they do, they won't necessarily do anything about it. Personally I don't know because I don't really understand them.


having lived among pre-revolutionary peasants in iran, i learned something that my maoist friends never wanted to admit: peasants are basically very conservative, very involved with self-interest and survival, but compared to intellectuals, they are reactionary.  they are a paradox: progressive looking after their self-interests but conservative socially, because as it was explained to me by the folks i was amongst, "when society changes, it is us who suffer."

indeed.

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The Russian Revolution / Re: Were there Two Revolutions?
« on: January 24, 2005, 08:31:02 PM »
in 1907 there was a peasant rebellion, very serious one, in romania: over 100,000 troops mobilised against the peasants, by some coutns +10,000 peasnats were killed in two days of the rebellion.  but that isn't/wasn't near siberia!

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Nicholas II / Re: Personal Attributes of Nicholas II
« on: January 23, 2005, 04:39:27 AM »
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When I first read the subject heading of this thread, I thought you were referring to something entirely different. Those of you who have read carefully Venyamin Alekseyev's book on the murder of the Romanovs will know what I mean. But I'm not going to go into details because to do so might be considered morbid or prurient by some.



not fair. tell something, even if only privately.

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News Links / Re: Why Isn't Anyone Talking About This?
« on: January 22, 2005, 08:06:13 PM »
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and still dream of 'universal health care."  
rskkiya


in australia, we have it and it is as weak as the private only system.  for the people who need it, there isn't enough and  then it is only treatments not deemed "experimental."  and if one presents symptoms and is the wrong age i.e. for breast cancer, then one doesn't get the mameogram that will tell for sure, unless one goes private and pays oneself, if they've the money.  i knwo of two young women, under the age of 20 who presented with such symptoms, and now, 10 years later they are both dead.

one can dream of such universal  health care, i think it will remain only that.

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Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Alexandra and her Health
« on: January 22, 2005, 07:28:42 PM »
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Well maybe ... But as far as I can tell, Alix only used opium/morphine rarely - while she seemed to be suffering from "panic attacks" fairly often!


but she took a lot of valerian drops, if i remember correctly.  and laudanum drops too, i think.

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Nicholas II / Re: Nicholas II - Early Crushes - plus Mathilde and Alix
« on: January 20, 2005, 04:26:55 AM »
one can bathe daily but still have memorable body odor, especially in the days before deodorants and anti-perspirants.

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