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The Final Chapter / Did the IF already know Colonel Kobylisnky?
« on: July 08, 2012, 02:01:49 PM »
I was reading about Colonel Kobylinsky both on russian page of Wikipedia and on "The last days of the R" (the part of his deposition)
I was surprised to learn that the Colonel during the war was 2 times injured and was nursed in the war hospital in Carskoe Selo. I wonder if we knew that he was ever nursed by Af or OT, or Tn during his stay. Do we have anyh hint that he had met the girls or the Empress BEFORE he was assigned to their guard after the Revolution?
I found it curious!

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Servants, Friends and Retainers / OTMA's "Sailor nannies"
« on: April 05, 2012, 07:45:03 AM »
Browsing in the Forum, i found mention of the fact that particular officers on the Standart were assigned to take care of everyone of the girls, so not only Aleksej had his "djadka."
I looked for something precise about it, but found only some mention here and there in threads about other subjects, so i wanted to merge all the infos about it in a single thread, since i haven't undertood very clearly.

Do anyone know the names of everyone of these "sailor nannies" and who to whom were they assigned?
And, BTW, Sablin was for ON and Rodionov for TN, or vice versa?

Thanks evryone.

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The Final Chapter / Matveev telegram
« on: April 03, 2012, 03:24:24 PM »
In more than a single source, i found some infos about a telegram received at the Governor's Mansion on Friday, 3rd May 1918 NS, sent by Matveev and announcing that NAM had been stopped and arrested in Ekaterinburg. To be precise:

Gilliard in "thirteen years"
Friday, May 3rd - Colonel Kobylinsky has received a telegram saying that the travellers have been detained at Ekaterinburg. What has happened?

Gilliard, from the deposition in "The last days of the R"
(page 29 in the old edition i found at the library):
"Greatly to the surprise of everybody, Kobylinsky suddenly received a telegram from Matveieff stating that the emperor and all the persons in his party were held up In Yekaterinburg. This was quite unexpected, as we all thought that the emperor was to be taken to Moscow"

Gibbes, from his deposition in "The last days of the R"
Page 49
"Later, somebody sent a wire that they were "held up" at Yekaterinburg. We were badly stricken by this news."

Kobylisnkij, from the deposition, same book:
(page 119)
On the 2oth of April the committee of our detachment received a telegram from Matveieff who informed them of the arrival at Yekaterinburg, I can not remember the exact words, but we were all surprised at its contents- We were all thunder-struck, as we were previously convinced that the emperor and empress would be taken to Moscow*

From le tsarevitch
(pag 261) "Nous avons appris par le tèlegramme de Matv. que tout va bien"
"We have know from Matveev's telegram that everything is alright"
(letter from Olga to AF , 4th May)

Ok, is this everything we know about this telegram, or do we have something more?
It seems a very important document to me - the different witnesses seem to tell slightly different things, so i would be very curious to see the text.



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Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich / Card game in Tobolsk
« on: March 04, 2012, 08:50:49 AM »
In some Tobolsk letters and memories from tutors, i recall i read Aleksej always used to play a card game named something like "If you go slow" (or something similar, at least).
I don't think it's the same thing of "Nain jaune", and i was wondering which game it could be. I tried to search in the web, but nothing came up, i suppose we should know the Russian name for it.
Does anyone knows anything about it?

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The Final Chapter / Commissar Pankratov and Maria
« on: February 20, 2012, 08:18:49 AM »
I didn't find a specific thread on this, or even on Pankratov himself, and I was having interesting reflection on him, so thought of start a new thread.

Reading the letters of IF during separation (the ones in le tsarevitch) i found this:

From NAM to OTAA
18 April/1st May  1918

[written by Maria] (...)Mama mocks me imiting Pankras's infatuation

The footnote says that Pankras stays for "Pankratov", the Commissar.

Then i found GD Ally's quote in an old thread:

Now I´m going to try and translate into English a Czech text from 1930:

Elizaveta Ersbergova: "Pankratov was good, honest and decent man. All at all he treated them nicely and one could notice he pitied them. He was especially fond of Maria Nikolaevna. Once she fell and hit into her eye. As soon as he heard that, he hurried along and was obviously very concerned..."

This seemed to me quite ineteresting. Commissar Pankratov liked Maria and in the family this became a source for mocking her (and from AF herself!!)
i thought this could be a nice source for a discussion!


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The Imperial Family / What exactly did OTMA know about Alexei's illness?
« on: February 06, 2012, 12:20:26 PM »
I've used the search engine, sure that had already been discussed, but found nothing exactly about what i'm wondering; but if i missed it for mistake, i hope Mods will merge this thread.

I was wondering WHAT exactly did OTMA know about Alexei's illness. of course they knew he was chronically ill and that his illness was a secret (and they kept it) and maybe also its nature (bloos deases), which i think is quite easy to understand. But do we know whether they know something more precise? Or, better - what do you think they knew (i fear it's impossible to know what they indeed knew, since they kept the secret). Do you think Alexandra ever told them something about it? Did they even know the name of it? And did they know they could pass it to their sons? We going on speculating on DNA, but i really would like to imagine how the girls saw all of this.

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The Final Chapter / Officer letters - original French
« on: December 12, 2011, 06:36:17 AM »
I have always read the "officer" letters in English translation but i'm looking for the original french text - both the officer ones and the family's asnwers. I found a pair of them scanned in "The Fall of the Romanovs" and since my French is better than my English i'd like to read also the others in original.
Anyone knows where i can find them? I have had no luck so far.
Thanks

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The Final Chapter / Duty Guard Log
« on: August 21, 2011, 04:55:44 AM »
In "A lifelong Passion" there are some extracts from the "Duty Guard log" of the guards in Ipatev House, and they seem very interesting because everything the IF did in a certain day was noted down. I couldn't find infos about this documents in the book, but i really would like to know wether the DGL is a document that can be consulted, and where i could find it - even buying it of course. I made some researches but no way. Thanks!

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The Final Chapter / OTAA arrival in Ekaterinburg
« on: August 05, 2011, 10:00:44 AM »
Since i haven't found a suitable topic for my question, i'll put it here. As usual, if mods think there's a best place, i'll be happy to see this thread moved.  :)

First thing: this is a real little detail, but since i'm that kind of person that always looks for details, here I am.
In all the memoirs i've read about the IF in ekaterinburg, i've always found that Nagorny wasn't allowed into Ipatev House the day of OTAA arrival - 10/23 May, but only the day after. But he, apparently (if i'm wrong, please correct me) carried Alexej till inside the car or (i've never found this detail) till the palisade.
Anyway, if he wasn't allowed further till the day after, WHO carried the poor boy INSIDE the house? Is this detail known - and i haven't found it - or is it simple unclear?
I'm inclined to think that Avdeev let Nicholas go down and take his own son - this is more likely that a Red Guard carrying the boy, but still i would like to know if this detail is hidden somewhere.
Thanks!

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The Final Chapter / Avdeev
« on: July 27, 2011, 08:03:40 AM »
It was a while since i started wondering: the first Commandant of Ipatev House was called Avdayev Or Aveyev? Since i had found both the nemes, i was unsure. I decided to make a research in russian to be sure, and i found something!
Thought it could be interesting for you all, so here it is.
Taken from here: http://feb-web.ru/feb/rosarc/ra8/ra8-436-.htm

Авдеев Александр Дмитриевич (1880—1947), член Исполкома Уральского облсовета. В марте 1918 г. был послан в Тобольск. Вместе с В. Яковлевым перевозил Николая II, Александру Федоровну и Вел. Кн. Марию Николаевну из Тобольска в Екатеринбург. Был первым комендантом Дома особого назначения (4 июля 1918 г. заменен Я. Юровским). Воспоминания Авдеева опубликованы в журналах “Красная новь” (1928. № 5. С. 197—209) и “Пролетарская революция” (1930. № 9. С. 94—127)

AVDEEV, Alexander Dmitrevich. (So they answered my question!) (1880 - 1947)
Member of the Uralskij Soviet. In march 1918 was sent to Tobolsk with B. Jakovlev to move Nicholas II, Alexandra Fedorovna and Maria Nikolaevna from Tobolsk to Ekaterinburg. He was the first Commandant of the House of special Purpose (on 4th july 1918 he was replaced by Jurovskij). Avdeev's memories were published on magazine "Krasnaja Nov'" (= Red Land) (1928, num. 5, pages 197 - 209) and "proletarskaja revolutzija ("proletarian Revolution") (1930, num 9, pages 94 - 127).

This is the first time i find something about HIM!
Hope you enjoed it.



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Alexandra Feodorovna / Miscarriage
« on: July 03, 2011, 03:19:36 PM »
I didn't want to start a new thread for this maybe simple question, but i didn't fin an existing thread that seemed suitable.
So, if mods thinks there is, i'll be very happy to see this thread united with another one!
To my question, now. Well, 2 questions.
1) I'm sure i've read a lot of times that during the coronation ceremony in May 1896 Alix was pregnant, and she lost the child a month later due to the stress. But i really can't find a source explaining me better about it. Since i didn't find anything here (or maybe i didn't searched well) i would like to ask you: what do you know about it?
I even read on an italian magazine (!!!) that the child from the miscarriage was a boy (!!!). But, first of all, the person who wrote this is not at all reliable; second, i don't think you can see the sex of a foetus a month old, or at least i guess they couldn't do it in 1896... but i'm not sure at all. Anyway, i just wanted to know more about it.

2) In 1903 (or as 1902?  :-\) Alix was pregnant. Someone told it was just her immagination, there was no child; other tell she was really pregnant but she lost the child (again). Do we know what the truth is, or can we just guess?

Thank you very much in advance.

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The Final Chapter / Search
« on: July 03, 2011, 05:43:28 AM »
I think all of us know that If's lagguage was searched by the IH guards when they arrived, some day AFTER Nicholas, Alexandra and Maria arrived, and then again with OTAA'a lagguage.
What it's not clear to me is: 1) Were they also searched phisically? I'm quite sure yes, because Alexandra wanted the girls to wear their corsets everyday.
2) If yes, when exactly? I mean: we know the lagguage came some day after the people. But were Nicholas and Alexandra (and Maria) physically searched at the very moment they took their first step into the House? The same for OTAA? They entered the house and they were searched BEFORE going to see parents&sister?
Maybe it's a odd question, but i had always understood, reading books about it, that at least NAM were searched IMMEDIATELY. I can't recall reading something like this for OTAA, though.
Have i understood right or wrong?
Can you help me?

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Anastasia Nicholaievna / Anastasia's pet name
« on: June 23, 2011, 10:43:51 AM »
I have already seen there's a topic about Anastasia called Ana or not (and it was clear not). But i didn't find a topic about her reald pet name, i mean, the one used in family. If there's and i didn't find it, mods, feel free to move this topic!
Having studied russian, and knowing how russian use pet names and nicknames, i'm always a bit surprised that in thei letters & diaries, NAOTMAA often called each other with full names. Knowing, moreover, how used were nicknames in european royal houses during Belle Epoque (Sasha, Minnie, Nicky, and from alix's side, Alicky, Vicky, Ella, Ernie, and so on!), i always thought it was a bit uncommon.
I have only once seen Anastasia called with one of russian petnames of her name: she herself calls her "Nastaska" (if i remind well) ina letter to Nicholas. (i'm not at home so i can't quote the letter from A lifelong Passion, sorry).
my question is: do we have other examples of anastasia being called otherwise than her full name?
Knowing russian, it's obvious for me writing about them who call each other with russian pet names, but don't finding them in letters, i'm a bit astonished O_o
ok, we know that Marija was called Mashka, or Masha, but i would need something for Anastasia now  :) something real, i mean.
thanks!

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Anastasia Nicholaievna / Anastasia's 16th birthday
« on: June 20, 2011, 12:35:31 PM »
I made a research in the whole forum to see if someone had already told something about this, but i didn't find anything; but if i didn't search well and this is already discussed, i apologize.

Anastasia is the only one of the girl who turned 16 after the revolution.
Of course this meant that she didn't have a ball and so on - but maria hadn't neither, because of the war.
I was wondering, at the contrary, wether she received the traditional present from her parent's - if i remember well, a diamond ring and a diamond necklace. if i'm wrong, please correct me!
I mean, did Nicholas ordered them to Fabergè before the Revolution, knowing his daughter was to became a woman, or she just hadn't it? I'm a bit undecided about it. I don't know wether we know this from documents, or if we'll have to speculate freely, but i'm keen to know what you think about it!

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The Final Chapter / Question about ipatev house's plan
« on: June 15, 2011, 03:31:21 PM »
I'm having some troubles tryign to figure out how it really was ipatev house's plan; pointing out that i'm not an architect nor something like this, AND that i'm a real zero in understanding plants and so on, i think i really need your help.
I found many plans of the house, but i usually use this one, 'cause i think it's clearer:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/piantaprimopiano2.jpg/

I just can't understand why there are 2 stairs.
I mean: you open the front door, there's the first stair. First of all: can you, standing HERE, go in the basement? It seems yes.
But in this plan, that refers only to the upper floor, there are two stairs. When that's written "Antichambre" (hall) you can already go in the other rooms. But there isn't ANOTHER stair; why, if there's not another floor? Is it another stair or the same one?

I know it's a odd question, and it's my fault 'cause i'm so stupid i can't read a plan; but i really can't understand. I try to figure out how it was entering there, but i just am too confused. I'm sure you can help me!
So thank you so much!


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