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Ekaterinburg diocese posted this on their VK account a few months ago:

'Opponents of the authenticity of the Tsar's remains sometimes speak on behalf of all Orthodox Christians and predict a new church schism if they are recognized as relics. What can be said in response to this? ? The fact that some of these people make such loud statements "on behalf of the Orthodox," emphasizing the "possible schism" is truly a terrible statement for them. By doing so, they already separate themselves in advance from the Holy Mother Church. Recently, some people have been holding their own conferences, where they express their opinions and evidence "about the falsity of the Tsar's remains," and at the same time they report in the media that they are doing this allegedly "in pursuance of the resolution of the Bishops' Council." I doubt that they received a blessing for these conferences from the ruling bishop of the city of Moscow ? His Holiness the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia. I can say for myself that the Holy Church has experienced numerous schisms and disorders over the course of two thousand years, but one thing remains unshakable - these are the words of Christ the Savior, spoken to the Apostle Peter: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matthew 16:18). Saint Cyprian of Carthage said very simple words accessible to the human mind and heart: "For whom the Church is not a Mother, God is not a Father." If the Bishops' Council recognizes the "Ekaterinburg remains" as the relics of the Holy Royal Passion-Bearers, and it is written "It was the will of the Holy Spirit and us...", then the entire Fullness of the Russian Orthodox Church must accept this holy news with reverence and joy. When the holy relics of the Royal Passion-Bearers are placed in reliquaries, and due honors are rendered to them, and numerous worshipers and pilgrims come to them, then, by the ineffable mercy of God, they will show us, sinners, their help, miracles and healings. And then Great Russia will shine in even greater glory and grandeur. Archimandrite Tikhon (Zatekin)'

So here's my take. The point the Archimandrite makes at the end is key: if & when the remains are officially recognized, they'll be prepared in reliquaries and pieces will be sent to multiple churches. The Orthodox Church operates today the same as it did in the 4th century, and decisions are made on a timeline that might not fit into our understanding. That the remains will be treated as relics is part of the delay; just the reality of things taking time rather than a matter of disrespect.
It's going to be a "Catch-22" for people who don't want further disturbance of the bones: when officially confirmed, there will be pieces of the bodies sent to churches. So either way, there's not going to be the simple matter of just putting the remains back in the tombs. That they haven't been reburied yet is probably a realistic indication that they ARE going to be officially recognized soon, since they wouldn't want to go through the whole rigamarole of exhuming them all over again when that time comes. So it could actually be a good sign of a nearing conclusion.

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Forum Announcements / Re: Forum Members Not Heard From in a Long While
« on: August 22, 2024, 12:52:34 PM »
Same here! This forum is still a great resource and could be even better if we could get it going again, with the newer information we have nowadays that could correct older, incorrect threads.

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I wish you luck & success! It would be great to see this forum reignite for reasons like this.

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The Final Chapter / Re: Royal Retinue Heroes
« on: July 30, 2024, 09:13:24 PM »
To me, the Man in the Photo is not Nagorny, but instead Alexeis other " Saylornanny" Derevenko !!!!

There are not many Photos of Nagorny, but many with Derevenko, so you can compare.

Nagorny was, as far as I know, taller and slimmer...

many Greetings

guinevere

Interesting guinevere !  I'll have to look into this. You could be right. They are often confused. Yet this photo was in an article Gilliard wrote and he seemed quite involved in providing  the illustrations. Certainly Derevenko would not be inculded in a thread of Royal Retinue Heroes !

I got a copy of The Private world of the Last Tsar today and thanks to you, Nicola, I know the cover photo is printed backwards! Nicholas's  medal is on the wrong side! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

An extremely old thread, but just to revisit & revise:

The top photo IS Nagorny. The full photo shows a man much leaner than Derevenko was in 1916, when the photo was taken. Other photos taken at the same time show Nagorny was there, and not wearing his hat. The ears, chin, lips, eyes, nose, etc. all match Nagorny's in his cabinet photo...

The middle photo is Derevenko.

The bottom photo is NOT Nagorny, but possibly the sailor named Zimonin. He matches NO other photos confirmed to be Nagorny.

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Hello Inok,

I realize this thread is quite old, but since the restoration of the forum this was pinged to me as a thread that I had not yet read, and I wanted to follow up and see if the publication has since happened, or is planned?

Ahhhhh welcome back! I am seeing this thread for the first time and am also hoping to see something come of it.

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The Alexander Palace / Obscure AP room photos over the decades?
« on: May 13, 2023, 07:42:07 PM »
I'm searching for any photos taken of the servants' rooms on the children's floor - specifically Derevenko's and Nagorny's. Probably no photos exist, but if anyone knows of something, I would be grateful.

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I think this entire Forum has died since Covid......................... Ive never seen his letters , but there are many public photos on web.
I hold out hope it can rise again.  Maybe the format is a little obsolete for the 2020's, but I have yet to discover any social media sites that offer the same wide variety that APF does, not to mention the sentimental value it undoubtedly has for many of us

I absolutely agree. Some of these old threads hold obscure photos that have since passed into private collections.

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I think this entire Forum has died since Covid......................... Ive never seen his letters , but there are many public photos on web.

Sadly that's true about the forum.

I have the public photos that are available online but unfortunately too many people have miscaptioned photos that aren't even really Nagorny. My goal is to find obscure information about him aside from the common misinformation. I'm still searching.

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Bumping again in hopes of new activity. <3

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I'm interested! There used to be a lot of resources here that are now, unfortunately over the years, broken links. Now attempting to do my own research, I'd love to see the kind of collaboration that used to be here when I was just a "noob".

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Servants, Friends and Retainers / Re: Mr Charles Sydney Gibbes
« on: May 03, 2022, 04:05:18 PM »
Hoping to resurrect this thread; I'm trying to locate Gibbes's collection of photos. Does anyone know where they might be stored, displayed, etc.? Private collection?

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The Alexander Palace / Re: Floorplans of the Alexander Palace
« on: March 21, 2022, 01:18:54 PM »
Bumping this old thread in hopes it will become active again...

I'm hoping to find more about these floor plans, particularly the rooms of Derevenko & Nagorny. Anyone able to help or point me in the right direction?

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The Imperial Family / Re: World Today
« on: March 12, 2022, 07:08:11 PM »
Short answer: Pauline Laws.

Absolutely.

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The Final Chapter / Re: Captivity photo's
« on: March 12, 2022, 07:05:41 PM »
Thank you so much! I love seeing the whole photographs! The ones of the home made alter are so moving



looks like the Joy and jemmy are checking out that pile of wood in  bottom of the photo

People here [according to a Russian book]:

V.A.Dolgorukov,
Tsarevich Alexei,
P. Gilliard,
E.A.Schneider,
Grand Duchess Tatiana,
Tsar Nicholas II.

It was taken in 1918.

Resurrecting this old thread, which I hope is okay. I kind of think that central figure, the tall one beside Alexei, might be Nagorny. The silhouette resembles his, especially given the hat, pea-coat he wore in photos from the previous year, dark pants, & tall boots. This looks exactly like what he wore in photos from 1917.

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The Final Chapter / Re: William Lincoln archive
« on: November 11, 2021, 01:36:55 PM »
I wish it would be possible to contact the owner and see if they're willing to allow scans of the photos.

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