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French Royals / Re: Princess Mathilde Bonaparte
« on: July 07, 2006, 01:40:28 AM »
The wife of Anatole's nephew Prince Elim Demidoff mentions how  Mathilde drew her attention to the sumpteous emeralds she was wearing,telling her they would be hers one day.After Mathilde's death Prince Elim contacted her Bonaparte nephew and executor concerning the Demidov gems and was told they had not been there  at the time of the Princesses death......In the subsuquent sale of the Princess's property the Demidov's found no trace of any items that had come from their side of the family.

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Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Oreanda
« on: July 05, 2006, 12:23:43 PM »
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Svetabel,
Do you know it the building on the left is the building GD Konstantin Nikolayevitch and his family used after the big palace burned down in 1882?  The new book, Gilded Prism, also mentions that besides living in "the wooden dacha" the family used the "Villa Tiesenhausen" for entertaining.  Do you know anything about either?
Thanks,
BobG
The villa Tiesenhausen was no doubt the same property as the later home of Count Soumarokov- Elston and later Prince Youssoupoff at Koriez.Countess Tisenhausen who never married was the mother of Felix Nikolayevitch Elston 1820-77.He married Countess Helena Soumarokov and took her name and title.The eldest of his 3 surviving sons Felix 1856 - 1928 married Princess Zenaida Youssoupoff and like wise adopted her rank & title.The Youssoupoff's spent much time at Koriez and it was from this last perch in Russia they fled aboard the HMS Marlborough with the Dowager Empress. Countess Tiesenhausen must have bequeathed the estate to her descendants. She left her stupendous gems and her shares in vastly profitable mines in the Urals to the Princely Clary family, Bohemian based descendants of her sister.

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French Royals / Re: Siblings of King Louis XVI
« on: June 22, 2006, 04:23:21 AM »
I think she had the chance to flee with Mesdames when they left for Italy but refused to leave her brother...

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The Windsors / Re: Princess Margaret (1930-2002), & her family
« on: June 18, 2006, 02:39:42 AM »
Sarah Chatto was cerainly resplendent at the Queens Thanksgiving service.Wearing a collet diamond and pearl necklace with pearl drop,diamond and pearl earrings and a large floral spray brooch.All these gems were certainly her mothers and were no doubt handed on before the Princess's death (the brooch may be the detachable centre of the floral tiara Sarah wore on her wedding day).Sarah it seems still has plenty of bling in her jewel box should the occassion demand. :)

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Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Princess Nora von Fugger
« on: June 18, 2006, 02:19:40 AM »
Princess Nora is mentioned in the marvellous memoirs of Countess Cecilia von Sternberg "The Journey" 1977.The Countess may have been a distant relation after her marriage to Leopold von Sternberg.However she mentions Nora as a friend of her maternal grandmother Countess (Alice)Hoyos who lived in Vienna.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Princes Baryatinsky
« on: June 17, 2006, 02:04:23 PM »
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thank you Hikaru !
Is Anatoly Wladimirovich the one who died in an hospital in Paris ?
Anatole's wife Marie ( he was her second husband)wrote a book published in the 1920's.

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The Windsors / Re: Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone
« on: June 17, 2006, 10:10:40 AM »


Alice during the war in Ottowa with her Niece Wilhelmina.
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Alice and Wilhemina were actually FIRST COUSINS the children of 2 sisters Helen and Emma of Waldeck -Pyrmont

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The Windsors / Re: Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone
« on: June 17, 2006, 10:06:38 AM »
Theo Aronson wrote an excellent biography of Alice.

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The Windsors / Re: Princess Margaret (1930-2002), & her family
« on: June 17, 2006, 05:42:59 AM »
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Perhaps so, but the stone- amethyst is still listed as "mourning " appropriate in the Victorian era. It makes sense, purple is the colour of mourning. And, those people gave mourning jewelry [braided hair et al] for wedding presents.
The victorians reveled in melancholia

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The Windsors / Re: Windsor Jewels Part 4
« on: June 15, 2006, 03:23:48 PM »
This has all been talked about at length before on it's own thread.Q Alexandra's parue passed to her grand daughter Maud of Fife, later Lady Maud Carnegie.The Duchess of Kents set is Part of the royal collection.The set that was sold is Queen Marys.....

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The Windsors / Re: Precedence
« on: June 15, 2006, 08:53:01 AM »
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I'm going to give it a shot.  ;)

EII
Philip
Charles
William
Harry

Anne
Zara
Peter

Andrew
Beatrice
Eugenie

Edward
Sophie
Louise (would they count her as an attendant--if she's there-- since she's only a toddler?)

That's 14 of the main royal family.

Duke of Kent
Duchess of Kent (she often attends events still related to family)
Earl of St Andrews
Lady Helen Windsor
Lord Nicholas Windsor

Duke of Gloucester
Duchess of Gloucester
Their children--3 I think?

Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy
Her 2 children

Prince Michael of Kent
Princess Michael of Kent
Their 2 children

That's another 17 for a total of 31.

Viscount Linley
Sarah Chatto

That's 33. Oh, Pss Anne's husband--that's 34 . There are 6 spouses of the non-royal members of those born royal (like Linley and Sarah)--that could make 40.
Apart from Camilla there is Princess Alexandra's daughter in law,Julia Mrs James Ogilvy and as a longshot there is The Duke of Fife who is a member of the greater Royal family....

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The Windsors / Re: Princess Margaret (1930-2002), & her family
« on: June 15, 2006, 02:26:20 AM »
Surprised the Annigoni only raised £680,000 it was hyped to be the top lot of the sale !!!!!!!!!!!! .I think the heirs -in hindsight- would have been better to hand it over to the Royal Collection or the National Portait Gallery.

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The Windsors / Re: Princess Margaret (1930-2002), & her family
« on: June 14, 2006, 07:47:16 AM »


Lots 191 & 192 went for GBP 993,600 & 926,400 respectively (according to Christie's website), perhaps one of them was the Poltimore?



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Lot 191 was Queen Mary's rivere necklace.The Poltimore was lot 192 :)

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Having Fun! / Re: Most handsome man
« on: June 14, 2006, 06:43:14 AM »
Michael Alexanderovitch or his brother in law Alexander Milhailovitch...

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Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: The Marble Palace
« on: June 14, 2006, 06:39:53 AM »
Seem to remember the author EM Almedingen talking about the raspberry coloured drawingrooms....

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