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The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: October 09, 2007, 01:59:49 PM »
Yes, my dear Eric Lowe, you are right, I would have wrote something more on the painting. A very beautiful one, and not common , of the austrian emperor...
So the title is François Joseph, empereur d'Autriche, à cheval.  
the painter is Otto von Thoren (1828-1889) (I did no more research on the painter)
the painting is from 1866 and belongs to the French State. He is in Paris, Musée d'Orsay.

Now my dear dear Britt, WHY ? it was a common practice between sovereins to exchange paintings as gifts particularly for a visit. This painting was painted  in 1866 and now is in France, as a gift of F-J to Napoléon 3 , as a thank for inviting him in France. to the Great Exhibition of 1867...
This habit is one of the reasons why paintings of Non French Sovereigns are remaining in french museums and castels. (the other one is that Napoléon 1er stoled some thousands of paintings from europeans castels and collections !)

About Sisi  and Eugénie, remember my dear that I am not a specialist of these two marvellous empresses. On my point of view, anyway, they do not have had close relationships before the late eighties of the eighteen century, where they met on the Cote d'Azur, without any official duties (as Eugénie was no more a sovereign an Sisi was deeply depressed). I guess they met regularly but not often. (each year? each two year?). Before that time they met in SALZBURG (on july 1867?) (you know the day I suppose ) for very few days and in rather sad circumstances (Maximilian was killed in Mexico, the two empires had huge economic problems, etc). People though (hoped) in a competition between them but they had a good understanding.

Unfortunately, I have lo leave the Forum
best thanks and regards to Eric and Britt

your Mr Canard

The Habsburgs / Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« on: October 08, 2007, 03:11:47 PM »
here a painting of Fançois-Joseph (a painting now in France - I guess presented to Napoléon 3 after the visit of F-J to the parisian Great Exhibirion in 1867)

Your most devoted
Mr Canard

P.S. I have been obliged to work Sunday and to-day so I will continue the other threads ( journeys, mistresses, nicknames) to-morrow

The Habsburgs / Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« on: October 07, 2007, 07:01:16 AM »
my dears, this time, I am not kidding nor joking.

I think the nicknames Nicchia, Ciolla, Tetella and Petite are words with 2 (ore more) meanings. Ones could be heavily sexual . But I have to verify carefully. That's popular language, low speaking. Those things are generally not on the web, and sometimes neither into books. I have to ask a friend living near Napoli for the actual meanings and a specialist of popular languages for their senses at the times of Ferdinando 2 .

Best regards from your devoted

Monsieur Canard

The Habsburgs / Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« on: October 05, 2007, 09:50:03 AM »
To the Non-Speaking-Italian members of the Forum

Be careful, if you think to give the nicknames Ciolla, Tetella, Petite ... to your daughters : these words have a double signification.

Your most devoted

Mr Canard

Dear, Dear Svetabel

Thank you very much: I have an italian book on germans sovereigns and mediatised german families were there is an error of dating (second wedding of Friedrich Wilhem in january 1846) So, thank you!!

Your most devoted

Mr Canard

The fact is that the husbands of Elizabeta Michailovna and of Alexandra Nicolaevna had - speaking only after few informations -  very different behaviors.
The two Grande-Duchesses married on january 1844 (28th of January for Alexandra Nicolaevna and 31th of january for Elisabeta Michailovna). Alexandra died on august 1844 and Elisabeta on January 1845. Alexandra's husband married again after - I guess - one year or two and the record of the princess exists only in Russia because he rmother and father builted in Tsarkoie Selo a monument (also I guess - but I am not completely sure - that some orphanage in St Petersburg was named by her name) . Adolf builted an orthodox church and a russian cemetery in his own city and married again after quite 10 years.

Now this consideration is only a superficial one and certainly do not receive all the  facts (purhaps the second marriage of Friedrich Wilhelm was a dynastic and politic duty, and so on)

News Links / Re: Previously Unrecorded Rothschild Faberge Egg to Be Sold
« on: October 04, 2007, 11:06:49 AM »

£9.000.000 is not too expensive
but this egg IS NOT a duck's egg...
So I do not buy!


your poor plucked

Mr Canard

The Habsburgs / Re: Queens of Bohemia
« on: October 04, 2007, 05:22:27 AM »
Dear Trenk80,
 don't bother !
 that's not a fight against you...

It is just a way (also funny, I hope) to obtain a better quality of the texts on the Forum. This forum is a sentimental and romantic one (many many people are here to express their sweet feelings of pity, their love for beauty, etc...) BUT every people, here, use HISTORY.

History is a science AND  a cultural collective MEMORY and HERITAGE; History is like Nature, it belongs to everybody on the earth. So it has to be respected. For that reason some of us try to correct wrong dates, wrong titles, wrong judgments... and so on. One of the important things of our human culture is that "all is complex" and "all is not equal". I mean:  cultural phenomenons are highly complex and  among cultural phenomenons there are differences (and somebody could add there are hierarchies). Picasso is not a tagger, Montesquieu is not a cartoon, the culture of MittelEuropa (and specialy the Bohemian one) is not the Balkanic one. For an entire people (becaue in a society everyone is linked to anybody) it represents a huge investment in brain, lifes, money, time, etc... during 8 centuries.

An other problem of the forum is the respect of the language. Everybody writes english, but many people are NOT english - I am french and NOT FLUENT in english ... so, many texts (also mines) are full of errors, don't make sense... . We need corrections, we have to accept its as we join the Forum.

And we all can try to respect our common inheritance: History.


Mr Canard

The point is: was Ekaterina Michailowna considered ugly in his time ? I have no documents on that, no memories, no letters ... and I do not read russian. Purhaps something could be find in the language of her husband (german but I do not read german...). I have a vague memory to have rode once that - as a young girl - in Russia she was considered charming and very cultured, with a sweet voice and sweet manners.

Many french travellers said that russian women of the nobilty were slight, beautiful in face, really cultured. So, beeng plain,  E M was certainly different. She also married young (17een, I guess) and it seems her husband was deeply in love with her. I do not know if the niece that Nicolas wanted to marry Alexander was her... I thought (without a precise reason) it was Maria Michailovna (the one dead in Vienna of tuberculosis).

An other fact is that to-day, to be plain still means to be considered in some way "ugly" (as a man and as a woman). 

Your friend

Mr Canard

French Royals / Re: Impérial Mistresses
« on: October 04, 2007, 03:57:52 AM »
brava Britt!

French Royals / Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« on: October 03, 2007, 05:04:23 PM »

it seems quite impossible to find a text about Marie. Few words in the Memories of her daughter La Grande Mademoiselle (but she did not knew her mother, so she said that she heard from her family - few things ...that Mary was brave and had a noble mind..) .

and not a single portraict of Marie on the web. (3 - 4 paintings are now in Versailles but not reproduced). There were a painting of the famous painter Pourbus... (who painted Henri IV, Marie de Medicis, etc... where is it ....?

Anyway I found her father and her mother :

her father : Henri de Bourbon , duc de Montpensier (1573-1608)
(the painter is Louis-Edouard Rioult (1790-1855), so the painting is an artefact, probably comissioned by the King Charles X of France from SOME ENGRAVING OF THE XVIth century (?):

her mother : Henriette-Catherine de Joyeuse , duchesse de Montpensier, then de Guise (1585-1656).
It is an anonimous painting, painted aproximatively in 1612:

the fruit in her hands (the grenade) indicates she is a widow (and had done a second mariage - in 1611- ).

and naturally we have so many paintings of her daughter La Grande Mademoiselle - on this one she was 18 or 19... but mainly she looks like her grandmother Catherine de Médicis on the paternal line:

Mr Canard

French Royals / Re: Impérial Mistresses
« on: October 03, 2007, 09:32:03 AM »
Dear Britt, you are brilliant...

About the question of a litterature on Rachel in English or in German, I am not sure to be able to help you. The libraries of Mr Canard are only French, Italian and Spanish. For other documentation, your favorite duck has also to explore the web. Did you got the text about Musset and Rachel ? He seemed to me a fairly good one and gives an idea of the quality of the girl.

Anyway, as I am rather tired this autumn and yesterday I forgot a file with two or three informations and pictures I prepared, but now here they are: 
first a portraict of A. Walewsky, an attractive young man:

and a better view of the splendid sculpture of Rachel in the Musée du Louvre :

Then the fact that Rachel had a second son, from Arthur Bertrand, (himself a son of a napoleonic général Bertrand): the boy was named Gabriel-Victor Félix, born  26 -1-1848 and became a brilliant marine officer . The sisters and the brother of Rachel clearly "adopted" him. Arthur Bertrand seemed to have been rather childish and the liaison, for Rachel, a difficult one...

Now the 4 talended sisters. They were called Sarah, Dinah, Lia et Rebecca and had all a theatre career. (The career od Dinah, I guess, was interrupted by illness afterwhat she returned to theatre in good health)

         Sarah was purhaps the closest to Rachel : for a while (1853) she joined Comédie Française. Here a painting of Rachel commissioned in 1859 by her sister Sarah Félix to the painter Jean-Léon Géròme. Now the painting  belongs to Comédie Française. Mainly her carreer was in private theatres and tournées.

Lia was very very talented:

here is Lia again by Disderi with a young girl (Rebecca ?)

and with Dinah:

Dinah  joined for a long time the Comédie Française : 1862-1882

Rebecca , from 1845 to 1854 also performed in the Comédie Française

and again their brother Raphael was an actor and joined Comédie Française from 1846  to 1851, but mainly he seems to have helped Rachel and his sisters for contracts with theatres and organisation of tournées.

Next post (next Sunday) : MARGUERITE BELLANGER and NAPOLéON 3

your devoted

Mr Canard

One thing are the paintings, another are the eyes and the mind of contemporaries ... some memories from french diplomats, hight ranked travellers , etc , describe GD Olga Nicolaevna as a girl "with the look and the manners of a blond fairy". GD Maria Nicolaevna, on contrary,  is described as high-handed and ... not so pretty ("a long face very similar to the one of her father") and also as a princess VERY skilled on the cultural and artistic matters. GD Alexandra Nicolaevna is ignored in these chronicles but we have to consider that she married rather young, died after 8 monthes and not had a long social life... when GD Maria had one in Russia from 1839 to 1860 and GD Olga from 1840 to 1846...

To be noted that the first choice of Nicolas AND of OLGA , for a fiancé, was certainly Archduke Stephan Franz Victor of Austria,

but Metternich remained absolutely opposed.  At this time he was governor (civil governor) of Bohemia and in 1847 became Palatin of  Ungheria (civil and military governor). (once upon a time, in Hungary, someone said to me that, as writes Eric Lowe in courteous manner,  Stefan played on the other team as well). (t.b.n. that AD Stefan Franz Viktor never married). AD Stefan's father first wife was GD Alexandra Pawlovna.

Anyway, after the european revolutionaries riots of 1848, AD Stefan had an austrian military carreer, then retired and died in south of France (Menton) in 1867.

Returning now in Russia 1840.... many young princes were in love with Olga , as Prince Baryatinsky and also Alexander of Hesse (brother of Imperatrice Maria - the wife of Alexander 2), etc, etc... (the russian ones, generally Nicolas gently sended them to Finland or Caucase or farest...)

Later on (1851) Alexander of Hesse married a lady-in-waiting of his sister (hudge scandal !!) Julia Von Hauke (from this wedding, the Battenberg-Mountbatten, etc). The father of Julia, anyway, was considered a hero as he died in Poland in 1830 to protect GD Konstantin Pavlovitch from the rioters but Julia was not in the Almanach du Gotha as a fiancée for a royal wedding...

Why did Nicolas 1 desagreed Alexander for marrying Olga ? He was a third son and had few possibilities to regn! But Nicolas 1 considered Alexandre a possible groom for one of his nieces... so one can immagine how much this morganatic marriage deceived the Emperor ....

French Royals / Re: Impérial Mistresses
« on: October 02, 2007, 12:00:39 PM »
The actress Rachel (21 February 1821 – 3 January 1858) had a soul of exceptional quality !

She hated gossip and we have many witnesses of the fact that – although she lived in a cruel ambient - she forbad any criticism of her colleagues in her own circle and house. Born by chance in Mumpf (Aargau canton) in Switzerland, she was from Jewish family from the Alsace region (a land that France and Germany often contest  during their History). Her father was a poor peddler, her mother sang in the streets…  and the girl often earned money, when a child, singing also in the streets  (also later on in Paris…) After her birth, went 3 sisters and a brother.

The family came to Paris at the beginning of the ’30 and, after a difficult period ,  Rachel began to study song, dramatic art and elocution. Admitted in the prestigious school of the french Conservatory of Dramatic Art (her private teacher, an old actor, helped her) she quickly became the best pupil of the staff; after few exhibitions in private theaters (here she was given her stage name Rachel) she entered the Comédie Française in 1838, in a classic tragedy (Horace of  Pierre Corneille). At this time she was the mistress of Louis Véron, a wealthy french manufacturer. He tried to make of Rachel simply a courtisane but she refused and never abandoned her work on the theatre.

She began to provide to the all family, giving lessons to her sisters (the 3 entered later the Comédie Française) and making a tour manager of her brother Raphael.

Touring in England (1846) she met Louis- Napoléon  and had an affair with him. She is also said to have had a short affair with Prince Napoléon (Napoléon Joseph Charles Paul Bonaparte). The character Vashti in Charlotte Brontë's novel Villette was based on Rachel, whom Brontë had seen performing in London.

But the most important affairs of her life were with
-the french poet Alfred de Musset (he called her “enfant sublime” (sublime child)  and so many people after him
-and the son of Napoléon 1er , Alexandre Walewsky (she had a son with him in 1844). 

Anyway, fro 1837 to 1855 she played theatre in Paris, France and in the world. her clear diction, rhythmic speech, and economy of gesture contrasted with the exaggerated style of the time. She had a hudge success everywhere.  To be noted during 1854: touring in Warsaw, Saint Petersburg and Moscow (January-April) and 1855: touring from september to december in the United States.

But she was dramatically  ill of tuberculosis at this time and, retired near Nice in France (trying to heal) she died on  January 1858 and was buried in Paris (Père-Lachaise cemetery, Jewish quarter). 40 000 persons accompanied her to her grave and 4 french writers and poets sustained the coffin.
Here is an english text refering to Alfred de Musset  and Rachel.

and now some pictures :
first, 2 pictures of Rachel on the stage:

the last one from a great artist, Achille Deveria (1800-1857)

Then a sculpture of Jean Auguste Barre (now in the Louvre) :

finally some drawings and paintings of her in the classic stage costume of Phedra :

On this last painting of the painter Faustin Besson (1821-1882) she is painted with all her colleagues of the National French Theatre (LA COMéDIE FRANçAISE) (the painting is still in this theater)  but Rachel with her red coat is clearly dominating the group and at the center OF THE ATTENTION:

The next mistress of N3 had a rather longer affair with him...
so, to be continued  ........./............

French Royals / Re: Impérial Mistresses
« on: October 02, 2007, 10:34:04 AM »
Here I am...

We can also add, for Napoléon 3 :

                      for a (short) while Elisabeth Félix, a very talented actress surnamed RACHEL

                      and mainly Julie Leboeuf  (aka Marguerite Bellanger ) from humble origin but she had a great importance for Napoléon 3.

So I will ( slowly, as I have a huge work to do ) say something about

- for N3 : Rachel, Marguerite Bellanger and Louise de Mercy-Argenteau (the other ones are well known also for people speaking anglo-american)       
- and for N1 : Mademoiselle Georges, Caroline Branchu, Giuseppina Grassini and Elisabeth Le Michaud d'Arçon. 

Please, consider I am NOT fluent in english (and writing is worse than speaking!!) so for me it is a difficult duty, but I do it with pleasure for the forum. Thanks.

your most devoted

Monsieur Canard


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