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Italian Royal Families / Re: The Dukes of Modena, Este and Habsburg-Este

« on: September 04, 2006, 01:34:07 AM »

I have only two pictures to compare but woman in the first portrait does strongly resemble Adelgonda.

Thomas

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Italian Royal Families / Re: The Dukes of Modena, Este and Habsburg-Este

« on: June 20, 2006, 05:27:57 AM »

This is Ernestine von und zu Arco (1779-1820).  She is listed as the daughter of  Ignaz Joseph von und zu Arco and Countess Maria Antonia von Adlstetten, Haus und Fuerth on Brigitte's Worldroots site.  I found an extensive Arco Family geneology on a Czech site but it did not list Ernestine.  She married Maximilian Karl Joseph, Graf von Montgelas (1759-1838) the famous Bavarian statesman who engineered the creation of the Kingdom of Bavaria.  She is listed in his geneology.  So if her dates and parentage are correct she is the sister of Ludwig von und zu Arco and the aunt of Aloys and Maximilian.

Thank you Britt25 for those wonderful Este-Modena portraits!

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Italian Royal Families / Re: The Dukes of Modena, Este and Habsburg-Este

« on: June 16, 2006, 07:50:26 PM »

Dear Arco & Arco2:
As soon as it occurred to me to ask Arco to share some portraits I realized that I did not know how to upload to this board myself and perhaps that we the reason Arco had not done so already.  So I contacted Marc who shares pics all frequently.  He replied:

>No problem Thomas!If you have your photobucket account then go to browse and when you find the picture you want just press submit the picture from your computer!When the picture apears in your photobucket then just COPY the third IMG row below the picture and PASTE it in the free space for messages in this forum and then the picture schould be there! <


Now, I don't have a photobucket account but I imagine that any online photo account such as Kodak ot Yahoo whould allow the same thing.   I may be wrong and am still looking into this.  

Also, I neglected to mention that when in Amsterdam some years ago, trolling for portraits as I am wont to do, I came across an antique dealer who had two sedate but intriguing 19th c portraits of a count and countess Arco-I think-Zinneberg.  They were of course more expensive than the budget allowed and he refused to give me photos of them.  I was very disappointed.  They were very "Victorian" in style, dark lighting and dark colors, but the physiognomy ws quite detailed.

Again, thank you Arco & Arco2 for your contributions.

Thomas

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Italian Royal Families / Re: The Dukes of Modena, Este and Habsburg-Este

« on: May 11, 2006, 05:08:52 AM »

In Gleb's link to the history of Modena at Newadvent.org I found the following:
"The son of Cesare, Alfonso III, after a reign of only one year (1529), became a Capuchin monk in the convent of Castelnuovo di Garfagnana, founded by him, and died in 1614."
Could this be the Alfonso of Modena pictured in Marc's post and therefore would have been a duke at one time?

Thomas

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Italian Royal Families / Re: Savoia-Carignano

« on: May 02, 2006, 03:47:35 AM »

By the way, Amedeo, what can you tell me of Maria Cristina of Saxony-Curland, Carlo Emanuele's wife?  I have studied a little of the Biron's of Curland.  Who is this princess?

Thomas

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Italian Royal Families / Re: Savoia-Carignano

« on: May 02, 2006, 03:41:50 AM »

Thank you, Marc & Amedeo for this great incursion into the Savoy-Carignan's!!!  One of my favorite families, there is never enough information on them in English.  
Thomas Francis's marriage to Marie was very political as one might guess.  Richelieu was buffering France's borders and strengthening the crown's power.  Thomas's mother being Spanish was a big point in the Habsburg's favor so Richelieu had to do something about that.  He had beheaded Marie's brother for lèse-majesté. Being of Royal Bourbon blood although too distant from the throne to be a "Prince of the Blood", he and his relatives were very jealous of their power and influence and their ability to challenge the crown.  Richelieu was doing away with all that and Soissons lost his head.  All his property, which was considerable, escheated to the crown.  In order to woo the Savoy's, Richelieu allowed the restoration of the families's status and property and, almost unheard of, allowed it to pass through Soissons' sister in marriage which was arranged to Thomas Francis 1st Prince of Carignan.  As Amedeo pointed out, this didn't work as Thomas fought for the Spanish anyway.

Thomas

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Italian Royal Families / Re: Savoia-Villafranca Soissons

« on: April 28, 2006, 04:30:45 AM »

Amedeo:
What happened to the sons, Filiberto count of Villafranca and Vittorio count of Soissons?  Do you have any pictures of them? Or their descendants?

Thomas

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lieven family pictures

« on: April 10, 2006, 06:07:26 AM »

Radoslaw:

Thank you so much for your response.  I AM interested in Princess Lieven's Polish exploits but unfortunately I do not know Polish:  an unfortunate handicap when one is interested in the great Polish aristocratic families as well.  Poland sent a great exhibit of Paintings from King Stanislav's time in an exhibition that stopped here in San Francisco.  The portraits were wonderful!  One of King Stanislav in state robes, another of a Czartorovski Prince, Adan, I think and several others.

Thomas

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Italian Royal Families / Re: The Dukes and Duchesses of Parma - portraits

« on: April 08, 2006, 12:19:37 AM »

I would like to thank Crotalo so much for the great pictures.  I have this wonderful addiction called portrait mania and this has been an exciting experience!

Thomas

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lieven family

« on: April 07, 2006, 03:43:48 AM »

I notice that the pictures of which Radoslaw spoke were never posted to the forum.  Would someone be so kind as to post them:
Lieven 1815 a
Lieven 1856 a
Lieven i Kozlowski
Lieven 1856 c
Lieven na okladke
Lieven 1823 a
Lieven 1823
Lievendavid
Lievenpop 1824a
princess Lieven 1815 c
Lieven 1823b
Lievensr
Lieven1

I was in the midst of a project on the Princess and her fascinating magnetism for men of power.  Unfortunately the project was dropped although I may pick it up again and would love to see the portraits.

Thomas