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They featured the book in this magazine of my mother's. She pointed it out and the summary was hilarious. "Mentally-ill mother" and something to the effect of an indulgent, rich father. They also called her "bolder" than Anastasia. :D

oh god. i really hate the author i think they are trying to put some disinfo so peope don't know history anymore?

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Nicholas II / Re: Personal Attributes of Nicholas II
« on: October 03, 2008, 02:24:43 AM »
it doesn't sound like its him. seems like its informal? If thats the right world. he sounds way too confident and tough to be Nicolas. how do we know its him again?

btw, thanks for the link :D

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how disappointing :( whats the use?

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the tsarina's daughter by Carolly Erickson. Anybody heard of it? I'm not a fan of this author but because she is going to write about one of the grand duchesses i have to read it.  it comes out in sept 30th here.

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French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: September 05, 2008, 06:27:41 AM »
i bought the book the portrait of an average woman by stepfen zweigh. very good book i read a few pages.  and highly recommended to me by others as a must read but there are no references or sources in the back of the book. how do i know where he gets the information?  so he is a trustworthy source himself why?

I have that book and enjoyed it.  IMHO, the author is Viennese and so I trust that he has an 'Austrian' view on Marie Antoinette, in context of their country's history, the Habsburg monarchy, etc. I especially liked reading the letters of Maria Theresia to MA on that book; they are very insightful. 

One thing though: I think the author was  a bit  harsh on Maria Antoinette and her sisters, while tending to paint Maria Theresia as all-good or one who did not do anything wrong and that the daughters were simply unruly.  For example, the author did not make allowances for MA's youth/neglected childhood nor the circumstances of her sisters but just criticized them for their mistakes and levity.

There are many books online on Marie-Antoinette you can get for free.  The one by the Princesse de Lamballe is  also a good read.

Hope this helps a bit....

i noticed that as well. he was judgemental and harsh yet it was very ingrossing to read. like gossip. lol

where is this lamballe book you speak of?

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French Royals / Re: L`Imperatrice Josephine
« on: September 04, 2008, 07:18:36 PM »
imagine someone of her rank at birth boing to versalles in king louis xvi times :O. she would not be admitted and this woman of such low rank/birth is queenn it doesn't seem right to me.

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French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: September 04, 2008, 07:03:51 PM »
i bought the book the portrait of an average woman by stepfen zweigh. very good book i read a few pages.  and highly recommended to me by others as a must read but there are no references or sources in the back of the book. how do i know where he gets the information?  so he is a trustworthy source himself why?


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French Royals / Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« on: August 31, 2008, 02:02:02 AM »

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French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: August 30, 2008, 12:12:13 AM »
there are a lot of sources written in the end of the book but who knows which sources she used to make these conclusions?  maybe we can write to her. i have been thinking about that for a while. i want to ask her why she didn't do enough research on madame du barry when she is clearly much older than marie antoinette. yet she says she is only 2 years older! its a mistake and she should know about it.

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French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: August 30, 2008, 12:09:54 AM »
what is the exact Title and Author for this book Please?

I'd like to see what the reviews say and also what category this Book is in. Are there any Sources listed of Primary Documents? Particularly for the Louis Story of an illegitimate Child? I'd like to look at them if there are. :)

marie therese:child of terror. the fate of marie antoinette's daughter by susan nagel.

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French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: August 30, 2008, 12:07:00 AM »
What I found most surprising in this book ( like the first poster) is that it says Louis XVI had a mistress, and it talks about his illegitimate daughter (supposedly). Has this ever been put in any other book? I'd read alot, and never came across it.From what I know, it was just a romour. The author shouldn't talk about like it is fact. We don't even know if he ever had a mistress, much less a illegitimate daughter. He wouldn't seem to be the type. It has Been a few months since I read the book, and I don't have it in front of me, but was the Duchesse de Polignac mentioned in the book as being the mother is his supposed illegitimate daughter or was that somebody else? Either way, I don't think it was true. Gorgeusbutterfly, wgat did you think about (if you have read that far) how the author talks about the mysterious woman in Germany who rumor had it could have been the real Marie Therese, after she left France for Austria ( before she got married)? The author gives a lot of credit to rumor.But, the wives of Louis XVI's brothers WERE said to be ugly, repulsive etc.Every book says that.Potraits likely flattered them.

i have read in other books that the king did like poliganac a lot. and that he was her favorite of his wives friends. i also read that they met together but never have i read that she was his mistress.  i think whatever child he had that was illegatmate was not poliganac's from what i remember reading in the book.   and as far as the woman who was supposably switched with marie therese, well i haven't gotten there yet. i will let you know when i finish the book :)

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French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: August 26, 2008, 10:21:37 PM »
i have just read 20 pages and found a few inaccuracies  the author first says that king louis xvi had an affair with duchesse de polianac. everybody knows there is no proof of this. then she says madame du barry is only 2 years older than marie antoinette. i read madame du barry's biography and marie antoinette's and i goggled and there is more than 2 years more like 13 years! thats a huge mistake!!  THEN she goes on says that the kings brothers, comte de Provence and comte d'Artois 's wives were very ugly but i looked at there photos and are FAR from ugly.

here are the photos of the wives, judge for yourself http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/LuiseMariaGuiseppavonSavoyen.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/MarieTheresedeSavoie.jpg

how could this book be published? i'm only on page 20. and find too many faults. this is so disappointing.

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French Royals / Re: Books on French Royals
« on: August 26, 2008, 08:25:53 PM »
Hi, I'm new here-

I just finished this book. I was disappointed as I found several inaccuracies in the book. Some of her information just seemed too unbelievable and her sources did not adequately explain to me where she came up with her ideas. I found some truth weaved in with some untruth. I am glad that this is not my first reading of this subject because if it had been, I would have been somewhat misled.

This would probably be somewhat more informative:
"The Ruin of a Princess" as told by the Duchesse d'Angouleme, Madame Elizabeth (sister of King Louis XVI), and Clery (the King's Valet de Chambre)
Translated by Katherine Prescott Wormeley (1912) New York, Lamb Publishing Co.

Thank You

I agree,i noticed the inaccuracies as well and am very disappointed! she made very stupid mistakes, madame du barry was stated to be 2 years older than Marie Antoinette. Madame Du Barry was born in 1743 and Marie Antoinette was born 1755. You do the math. as a historian i would think she'd know better. Also she says that duchesse de polianc and king louis xvi had an affair as it was a mere fact when it was just a rumor and no proof of their affair exists.

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French Royals / Re: Mistresses of the French Kings
« on: August 26, 2008, 08:16:52 PM »
louis xv was told by the priest that to save all his prior sins he would have to send madame du barry to a convent, so he did.  he was afraid all his life of death and the after death.

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Olga Nicholaievna / Re: Photo of Olga reading a book....
« on: May 23, 2007, 06:57:07 AM »
Hey! in the first photo of her reading a book, doesn't it look like this? with maybe she pasted her name on the front and back ?http://cgi.ebay.com/19c-The-Princess-and-the-Goblin-1st-Edition-1872_W0QQitemZ190114880587QQihZ009QQcategoryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting




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