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Imperial Russian History / The mystery of Saint Serafim.
« on: January 06, 2007, 03:50:50 PM »
Firstly I´m not sure where this topic should go so.. now this is here..  ::)

Reading memoirs of Felix Yusupov I came across a saint named Serafim. It is said that after Aleksander I seeing him Aleksander disappeared. Someone  says he died but there’s also an other storey about him being a monk or a hermit. When opened his chest [by Bolsheviks] the body was missing.  Felix write too that Nikolai Mihailovits who wrote historical documents etc. denied the whole doubt of Aleksander I to be anything else but dead. When Felix asked the reason he thought so Nikolai told that he should not  write otherwise.

The second thing what made me interested is that he actually write that there is going to be a day, after he’s dead, he is promoted as a saint. That day will take a part in summer and present in this ceremony  will be the last tsar. And that is what actually happened in 1903. Maybe just a coincidence but what I’ve red about this saint he really did thing that was connected miracles.

I read too that there are many documents written by Serafim which were burned by the Synod. No one knows reason.

Somehow this made me thinking of Rasputin and his predictions such as Tsar and his family won’t live long after his dead etc. Maybe this sounds stupid and silly but since many of here believes that he was not a saint and was a liar, maybe he had heard the story of Serafim and about this prophecy...

But who was this Serafim? What did he write was so scary that Synod had to destroy them?

So I'll get it then! I'm about to have so much books I can found a library  ::) Thanks!  :-*

Rachel, you mentioned that the book is not worth an extortionate price...I do not live in US nor in place where people use dollars but I've found this book 11 € + mailing expencens 6,5 € = 17,5 € which is something like 22 dollars [am I right]?? Is this too much for this book. I'm pretty sure there is not available a copy of this in our library and if there is  It'll costs 5 € to get one... so.. :] can you help me? Would you by this book at this price?

Thanks and have a good year 2007 <3

I hope this is the correct place to ask this, I used the "Search" feature...  Can anyone tell me about the "Bread and Salt" thing?  What kind of bread exactly, did they just sprinkle salt on hot bread?    I'd like to create some and taste what they tasted.  Any info is appreciated.
In Russia I believe it is just a tradition to give a present to someone who have a new house... bread and salt is very common in here Finland too :) Bread ought to be brown - well I believe any kind of bread is good enough but in Russia, Finland, etc we mostly make(or used to) only brown bread.

And about dieting... I just red an interesting column about dieting in old days. Really thin woman has never been a beauty; thin was linked to some kind of sikness. Women used corsettes and that mostly was the way they hide their extra-kilos. Of course if they did not, for instance, fit in their old dresses they went in some kind of diet. Usually it went like this: less sugar, less fat and more excercice. At the beginning of 20th century women had allso execercice-habits and it came to be a trend in Russia too.

Beauty concept was different in old days and it is very interesting to read all things about this. Women have always tried to be beauty, they have made up, dressed painfully [corsettes in western world, in Japan those foot-things..]. 

Other Palaces / Re: "Russian" places in Finland
« on: October 12, 2006, 08:33:58 AM »

It is amazing to see that Heksinki from the architecture point of view is very close from St Petersburg:neoclassical style...


When Finland was captivate by Russia in 1808-1809 and finally end up to be part of Russia they change the Helsinki to Finland's capital. It has been build during the Russian emporer time and Aleksander I wanted to Helsinki be the capital. That's why as you said capital is architecture point of view is very close from St Petersburg. For example the room in presidental palace where the throne was, was a small *copy* of the Georges hall in Heremitage. Carl Ludvig Engel was the *designer* or architect of Helsinki. When Finland independenced we thought to have a king from German. But when German had his lost in WWI we turn out to have a president. Here's a pic of the crown which was desinged for the king. The crown itself went lost. No one knows where it vanished

 Thank you sending those interesting pics and being interested in our country :)

Other Palaces / Re: "Russian" places in Finland
« on: October 11, 2006, 12:53:57 PM »
And the throne was kept to Finland's independence in this room.

nowday it is in National Museum, Helsinki and here's a photo of it:

here's maybe better pic of it:

Other Palaces / Re: "Russian" places in Finland
« on: October 11, 2006, 12:41:34 PM »
That’s right. We still have some relics from czars emporer time. For example our presidential palace was made for czar in 19th century: here’s a link to the homepage. There is some info what is pretty interesting.

Those pictures were interesting: here’s one of our first diet (is it diet?) in Porvoo:

here you can see Aleksander I and his throne.

We have maintained a statue about czar Aleksander II. Here’s a picture of it:

and next picture is from 1899 when folk flovered the statue for in memory of the *released czar Aleksander II* who was very freeful for our country and this flovering was ment to be a protest for Nicholas II because of his oppression and trying to limit Finland’s freedom.

I hope this brought you some new info. :)

Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich / Re: The Tsarevich's necklace
« on: October 08, 2006, 02:06:34 AM »
You'r story ender made me wonder what happened to these necklaces! I know that the soldiers took them off in the night they were murdered and like the other objects they took those *a good keeping*... If I have red what happened those I have forgot it...  ::) Anyone can tell?

Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich / Re: The Tsarevich's necklace
« on: October 07, 2006, 10:01:53 AM »
There's a topic which is tangent to this subject:,5865.30.html

I think that the medaljong is the one where is a photo about Rasputin and the cross is the cross which every Grand duke and duchess have when they  born. It is a cross which included wax (beewax actually) and it is a granule of The Cross. There's a story that when Nicky was a child he was so hungry that he ate the beewax which was in the cross.

Anastasia Nicholaievna / Re: Eye-color
« on: October 05, 2006, 09:28:47 AM »

Unless there was a genetic mutation, none of the five Romanov children could have had green or brown eyes.

Talking about genetic mutations I've red that Nicholas may have something like that.. it was something to do with the identify of the bodies. Russian did not want to believe he had any kind of mutation, and if I remember correctly USA( ? ) game wiht he had... Can this affect somehow, in case this is even true?  ??? Though I do not believe OTMAA had anything else than blue/grey eyes.

Anastasia Nicholaievna / Re: Eye-color
« on: October 04, 2006, 01:42:52 AM »

For myself--my parents both have hazel-brown eyes. I was born with blue eyes (unusual, but not impossible--even by the old genetics!  :P). But strangely enough, when I was about 11 years old my eyes began to change color!! Over a period of just a few months my formerly clear blue eyes changed to green--and green they have remained, for roughly 4 decades! Go figure!! And the very same thing happened to one of my first cousins--altho her eyes changed from more of a hazel-brown color to green.

Eye does change the color. Uusually babies have blue eyes which will become to something else color or then they can stay as it was. Changes does happen when one is growing up. I remember when my mum asked from her friend that does her child still have the same color in her eyes and I found the question was silly. But then my mum explained the reason it was not a silly question at all.  Blue is an eyecolor where's no pigment. Then there's green with some and the brown is full of pigment. And then there's persons without any pigment [like in the Da Vinci -Code]
Green and brown are the *only ones* who do have pigmentt there's of course many variations of them. Both of my parents doese have blye/grey eyes and I have very strong green. When I do have green and if I' having children they can have brown eyes. Two blue -eyes can have a brown eye child IF the brown eye is a domante feature in one or both of the parent's family. And alsso some blue doese have pigment more than some blue -that's why sometimes one is not sure if he does have blue or green eyes... Complicated hu?

ps. sorry fo mistakes in writing ;)

I've always thought that it is just a some kind of  honour homage.. maybe they always do that when czar's speaking something important...  ::) I have only seen this one photo when they have took their gloves off it would be interesting to see what elses events they have took them off.

Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich / Re: Languages
« on: August 28, 2006, 12:56:43 AM »
And the women at age of 24-25 was aldready an "old made" so... ::) 21 was at least in many countries the  border for children and adults. And at least in Finland, when we had the first time our own parliament in 1906 both the women and men were allowed to give their vote. The border of adult was the age of 21 - and we still were part of Russia. So I gueass that was the leggaly border but in the court and in many rich families the girls job pretty much was having a marriage and children. Age of 16 was the coming out age but many people did think that 16 was too young for marriage. But we have to remember that in those dase you just were a kid and then an adult. There were no teenage or anything like that. Most of the time we are teenage they played or begun to take part of adults life. The teenage conspet was born in 1960 when people and youngs starded to have too much free time ;) Thats why a 15 year old girl were not (maybe) *good* to talk childlish because the kid was about to move over to the adults life.


I allways thought that the Alexeis limping spot was kind of beautiful and touching... :)

The Imperial Family / Re: Stamps
« on: July 09, 2006, 04:07:40 PM »
Hmm.. well I tried to find any info about this and come across with this:

Imperial Russia 1858 10 kopeck, first stamp of Russia: early impression from the first printing's plate, strip of three from left sheet's corner, on commercial letter from BERDIANSK, 16 January 1858 to ODESSA. Stamps with rare pen cancellation, used only during two months, January and February 1858. A classic gem of Russian philately. -- Mikulski - Switzerland!"

And there is too many stamps from that year which are like that one:

Those stamps really proves that my opinion was not the right one  ;D I still fonder how come there then red MARKA... maybe it means something else too..? Well.. atleast you had a short *story* about my coyntrys history.. ::)

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