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more pieces found to this furniture set in Finland.

The Provisional Government was by its very definition a temporary caretaker government and was never charged with the responsibility to do anything but govern until the Constituent Assembly took up the issues of a permanent post Tsarist governance. The Bolsheviks so feared the process of liberal government that they shut down the Constituent Assembly with armed force.

The eventual Soviet Union also declined to solve the National questions, taking over popular governments in Ukraine in the Baltics.

In Lenin's own words, "In 1917, Russia was the freest country on earth". The PG abolished capital punishment and other oppressive laws, "deficiencies" remedied bu the Bolsheviks.

The July Days showed how the Bolsheviks were in rebellion against the government, which then jailed the leaders.

The April, June, and July demonstrations were spontaneous political protests against the illegitimate Provisional Government. To characterize it as a Bolshevik rebellion is something of a delusional conspiracy theory. The people of Petrograd made it abundantly clear that they were sick to death of war, hunger, and reaction.

Concerning the Ukraine and the Baltic countries, soviet power was largely established by the local workers themselves in the period November 1917 to January 1918. In Latvia and Estonia, soviet power was illegally overthrown in February 1918 by the German aggressors and in May 1919 the bourgeois nationalists seized power with interference by the Entente, German units, and Yudenich's White Guard gangs. In Ukraine, soviet power was similarly overthrown by the German aggressors in February 1918 and shortly thereafter replaced by a puppet regime. These regions were not practising their right to self-determination when they were in fact either under German or Entente vassalage.

Concerning the Constituent Assembly, it had no right to govern Russia. In November 1917, the soviets established themselves as the supreme state authority in Russia. The soviets also decided to dissolve the Constituent Assembly when it refused to recognize the soviet government's decrees. You may also recall that the right-wing Socialist Revolutionaries and Mensheviks walked out of the Congress of Soviets when the Petrograd Soviet proclaimed state power, precluding the possibility of the formation of a coalition government with the Bolsheviks and Left SRs.

Zvezda please leave the Baltic countries and Finland away from your posts since your posts are explained by soviet propaganda and has nothing to do with the truth.

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Private rooms of the Winter Palace
« on: March 12, 2009, 09:07:26 AM »

This furniture was found from private home in Finland and is going for sale. The owners were a bit surprised when they learned were it was from. Hopefully it gets back to Winter Palace.

The Russian Revolution / Re: No Stalin, no Hitler?
« on: March 11, 2009, 01:45:05 AM »
Unbelievable reasoning from you Zvezda and Robert After reading some of your posts I really thank the God that my grandparents generation stopped the evil forces of Stalin and his red army 1940 and again in 1944. If Soviet Union would have concurred Finland perhaps I would writing here about happy times in collective farm. ( most propably my family would have been killed to a last member).

The Russian Revolution / Re: No Stalin, no Hitler?
« on: February 28, 2009, 02:40:00 AM »
This has been very interesting discussion to follow. Which one is more evil Stalin or Hitler? My personal opinion is of course - Stalin. This is purely to my disgust to Bolshevism, Leninism, Stalinist, communism, socialism or whatever anybody wants to call it (same thing just a little different cover) and the enormous human suffering that came with it. This question has many times linked hear with question of II World War. Who started it, who is responsible of it.
My opinion is Hitler and Stalin both  are equally responsible of starting and allowing it to happen in Europe. Signing of the nonaggression pact in 1939 (Molotov-Rippentrop) and the secret protocol which gave Soviet Union basically free hands in eastern Poland, Baltic countries and Finland and Germany western Poland  and the rest of the Europe made the war possible.
In autumn 1939 Germany started the war and captured the western Poland. Two weeks later Soviet Union did the same and captured eastern Poland. At the same time soviet forced Baltic countries to negotiations to give them military bases. Balts gave in and basically were invaded. finally game Finlands turn and was called on negotiations to Moscow to give up land and military bases from Finland. Finland refused and on 30Th of November Soviet bombs started to drop down in Helsinki and other cityes - so called Winter War had started. Finland at that time had a population of less than 4 million was attacked by a nation of population of more than 140 million. For this aggression Soviet Union was expelled from the League of Nations. The whole world was amazed when they learned that a little Finland could resist the biggest military power of the world. Of course soon the numbers started to talk and Finland was forced for the peace in March 1940. Finland lost some of it's territory but kept it democratic institutions and independence.
In 1940 Hitler continued his invasions to Denmark, Norway and so on. But what is interesting Hitler did not give order to his generals to plan the invasion against Soviet Union until the disastrous Winter war which showed the world the real state of the Red army.

So let's return to question which one is more evil. By all means Stalin. Which one is more responsible for the II World War in Europe- they both are equally responsible.

Very nice. As David Pitchard said the dresses, uniforms, interiors are very much in detail as they were in that time. Many things reminded my grandmother and her house. I also liked that the whites were shown very human and patriotic what I haven't seen that much in Russian movies.

I don't know about that building but when they escaped the revolution they stayed few years at the Haikko manor.

Here is little more about the Villa Rauhaniemi. I found it from the web-pages of the UK embassy. I never heard that Yusupovs would have had any other property in Finland.

Villa Rauhaniemi

"The third lot of land sold was quite large and called 'Lumme', meaning water lily. It was bought by Princess Zaneida Yusupoff, a well-known celebrity in social circles and member of one of the wealthiest families in St. Petersburg. She was also a guest and shareholder of the health spa company, which raised its credibility and social significance tremendously. The villa she built was called 'Rauhaniemi' (headland of peace) and was completed in 1844. It was built directly where the British Residence now stands. There was a strong rumour circulating at the time that the Princess bought the lot because it was so near to the island of Suomenlinna – site of Helsinki's offshore naval fortress -where her lover Isakoff, a demoted captain, was billeted at the time.

A Russian architect designed the first drawings for the villa, with final construction drawings being completed by the architect A.F. Granstedt. The four-storey villa, characterised at that time as 'a monstrous extravaganza in the eastern tradition', had roof terraces and elongated arched windows. There were 15 rooms and one large salon. The rooms, adorned with chandeliers and French wallpaper, were decorated with gypsum ornamentation to almost distasteful excess. The garden housed a smaller villa, and a stable building in the neo-gothic style. This stable, containing four stalls, a carriage shed, one room downstairs and one above, still exists today at the open-air museum of Seurasaari in Western Helsinki, where it was brought in 1918.

The villa was eventually sold and changed hands several times, first to Captain Topelius in 1869, then to Consul Borgstrom in 1874. In 1878 it was sold again to the manufacturer F .W. Gronqvist and, during his ownership, the City Authorities took over the whole of Kaivopuisto, reducing the size of the lot by dissolving a third of it back into the park.

From the mid-19th century Helsinki began to attract those people interested in new business opportunities. German merchants moved from Lubeck to Finland, among them Frank Stockmann and Eduard Paulig, whose businesses are still in operation today.

In 1898 Karl Stockmann, who had married Gronqvist's daughter in 1890, moved into the house with his wife to join his father-in-law, who was by then a widower. Karl Stockmann bought the house and grounds from Gronqvist in 1908. He divided the land into three plots - now the sites of the British Embassy, the British Ambassador's Residence and the French Embassy, and built his own house, designed by Lars Sonck, on the plot now occupied by the British Embassy. "

also a little bit about the area of Kaivopuistowhere the villa was.

The development of Kaivopuisto

"The headland known as Kaivopuisto, situated to the southwest of Helsinki's central harbour, was devoid of houses and in its complete natural state up until the end of the 18th century. The higher northeastern side consisted primarily of exposed glaciated bedrock, whilst the south- west side was essentially flat, with a hill to the south and a lake in the west corner. This natural lake was popular for boating parties.

For many centuries Finland had been a part of Sweden's Eastern Province. When Finland became a Grand Duchy within the Russian Empire in 1809 it had to surrender this undeveloped coastal area, known as Ullanlinna, to the Empire's Institute of Engineering.

The Russians released the Kaivopuisto headland back to the City, however, a couple of decades later following the decline in the military strategic value of the Ullanlinna district.

After much debate the City adopted the radical decision to develop the whole headland into parkland, and lease a section of the land for the construction of a private health spa and baths. A limited company was formed for the health spa, with shares being bought, among others, by the Russian Czar, Nikolai I.
During the early 1830's the park was developed and the health spa opened to the public in 1838. There were two individual timber buildings, both designed by Carl Ludwig Engel, the architect famous for masterminding the design of Helsinki's Senate Square buildings and City Cathedral. The actual bathing rooms numbered 25 and were located in a long low building situated on the coast. A sumptuously decorated apartment was centrally located above, to house the Czar during his occasional visits.

The main building, set back in the park, was named Kaivohuone and still exists today, although it has been radically altered over the years. The original design provided for several large salons, a billiard room, restaurant and society room for ladies plus a newspaper reading room. The restaurant manager also lived on the premises.

The health spa became very popular within the higher circles of Russian society, partly because the Czar had forbidden citizens to travel outside Russian territory and partly because of its proximity to St Petersburg. The baths offered a variety of experiences from chlorinated spring water to scented water and even refreshing seawater. The main building served specially prepared mineral drinking water, which at the time was fashionable as a health cure. This water was produced and specially mixed into a variety of combinations by the then High Commissioner, Victor Hartwall. The family firm Hartwall has been Finland's leading producer of mineral water ever since.

Dancing was arranged twice weekly, Sunday being for the plutocracy, while Wednesday, was reserved for the nobility. The busiest summer recorded at the spa was in 1850 when 27,000 baths were taken.
Sadly this heyday only lasted 20 years. Two outbreaks of cholera, and the Crimean War soon after, put an end to it. The building housing the baths was finally wiped off the landscape during heavy bombing in 1944. "

Rulers Prior to Nicholas II / Re: Alexander III - photo tour
« on: November 06, 2008, 10:43:05 AM »

Other Palaces / Re: Langinkoski, cottage of Alexander III in Finland
« on: November 06, 2008, 08:11:51 AM »

Empress Marie Feodorovna peeling potatoes in steps of the Kotka cottage. I have not seen this photo posted here but if it is please let me know so I can delete it.

Imperial Transportation / Re: Emperors train in Finland
« on: October 23, 2008, 12:51:04 PM »
Thank you Douglas.  I still can´t find any photos except the one little one from the Emperors car in museaum site. Anyway it does not matter. I have seen the cars and I have very good book and nice color  photos about the cars and my idea was to ask the permission from the author put them up here. I am happy hear that they have been posted allready here.

Imperial Transportation / Re: Emperors train in Finland
« on: October 23, 2008, 11:55:00 AM »
Oops, sorry about that. I might be stupid but I can not find any photos of those three train cars that are in the museum from this site. Perhaps you could help me, or someone?

Imperial Transportation / Emperors train in Finland
« on: October 23, 2008, 01:28:37 AM »
I just bought a lovely book from the Railway Museum of Finlad. It is about the Romanovs and the finnish railways. There are magnificient photos of the three remaining railwaycars that are kept at the museum. There are also interesting photos about the Romanovs when visiting Finland. One of my favourite is when Maria Fjodorovna is pealing potatoes in the stairs of Langinkoski cottage with some officers. Unfortunately because of the copyright I quess I am not able to share the photoes with you here in the site.

The Russian Revolution / Re: Communisa crimes
« on: July 21, 2008, 06:41:32 AM »
Oh well Swedish Moderate Party happends to be in power at the moment. Are saying that Sweden has a governement that supports Nazies? And what is wrong with Mart Laar? I thing estonians and people from other Baltic countries might have some first hand knowledge of communist crimes.

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