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I will have a closer look into my books this weekend, Eric. But as far as I remember Marie didn't live with Mathilde, but they met regularly.

Indeed. They left Rome soon after that. I did not know where Maria Sofia lived when she was in Munich ? Did she bought a house there or live with her brother Karl Theodor ?

I read that she stayed with her sister-in-law Marie José at the Maxplais. Later she had an apartment somewhere at the Karlsplatz (also called Stachus) in Munich.

I think the girls were Sophie & Marie Gabriella.

No. ;-)

Marie José, Carl Theodor, Ludovica, Archduke Carl Ludwig and Sophie in front of Possenhofen.

I don't think so. Marie would have loved her the same.

I agree. And they both were devastated when little Christina died.


Again a picture from the ONB - I actually bought a copy of the original. Again and again it's annoying to find these pictures somewhere in the internet.

Only one question about it: Is Marie Valerie in mourning?

I guess this photo was taken in 1895. Ella (born January 1892) and Franz Karl (born February 1893) look like three and two year old children. In February 1895 both Archduke Albrecht and his younger brother Wilhelm died.

I guess there are also pictures of Franz Salvator and his eldest children from this sitting. I'll have a look.

The Wittlesbachs / Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
« on: November 02, 2010, 05:57:21 PM »
I agree.

As far as I remember Dominique Paoli identified the girl as Archduchess Marie Valérie. I didn't have a closer look at the photo and just memorized what I once read. But yes, I also think it's Amélie - although it's a strange combination, because there aren't - at least - known pictures of Amélie and her cousins except for Marie Valérie and the one taken at Ludovica's 80th birthday in 1888.

The Wittlesbachs / Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
« on: November 02, 2010, 01:54:07 PM »
Thank You for this new photo  :-*

This photo is actually well-known. Dominique Paoli published it in her biography "La Duchesse d'Alencon".

Number 3 is most probably Archduchess Marie Valérie.

Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« on: October 30, 2010, 08:10:41 AM »
@ Rani: Actually Albert himself was the one who started those "naughy pictures" ... ;-)

Mediatized Noble Families / Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« on: October 29, 2010, 05:13:49 PM »

You should have posted the one of half-naked Albert and his girlfriend.

I think these pictures are absolutely ridiculous.

Archduke Rainier died at only at 35.  Does anyone know what happened?

He died of sepsis.

The Wittlesbachs / Re: Max Emanuel in Bayern
« on: October 22, 2010, 11:55:28 AM »
A stylish and elegant princess Amelie in Bayern born Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

What an amazing picture! I have never seen a photo of Amélie which was taken shortly before her death. She reminds me a lot of her mother Clémentine and her sister Clotilde who also gained weight in their later years.

Amélie wrote "1893" on the photo. So I guess it must have been taken before June, because on 12 June 1893 her husband Max Emanuel died. As a widow she wouldn't have worn such an elegant dress, would she?
Or was the photo really done in 1892 as Therry wrote and Amélie dedicated it to her aunt ("Für die theuere Tante") one year later?

Why does Mathildehohe bear her name? I guess she is buried there. bUt who came up with  the idea of giving her name to this place?

Mathilde is buried in the church of St. Ludwig at Darmstadt.

I guess that Mathildenhöhe was named after Mathilde, because she was the hereditary princess of Hesse and it was quite common to give a special place the name of a member of the ruling family. In 1830 a nice little park at a small hill in the south of the Stadtschloss (castle) was named after Mathilde.

Did you know that Mathildenterrasse at Mainz bears her name, too?

The Habsburgs / Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
« on: August 26, 2010, 10:39:32 PM »
I think it´s Elisabeth Charlotte (1922-1997) youngest daughter of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita, but I´m not sure.

You're right. :-)

Well, the one who decided about their children was Ludovika, in the case of Marie I neither know what Duke Max thought about the proposal of Francesco II, or in the case of any of his other daughters

As far as I know Archduchess Marie Caroline, Rainer's wife, was the one who made the connection between Marie and Francesco. Her sister Maria Theresia was Francesco's stepmother. That's why Ludovica and Marie Caroline got together and tried to win Francesco (and the crown) for Marie.

Marie Caroline was also the one who was responsible for Archduke Carl Ludwig's wedding to Princess Maria Annunziata of the Two Sicilies.

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