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The Habsburgs / Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« on: August 18, 2010, 09:17:41 AM »
ohhh i see!!! . I thought it was a nickname since it was among (). Thank you, i added a new word to my German !

That's just fine. It was a really cute mistake. I was smiling for quite a while. :-)

The Habsburgs / Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« on: August 17, 2010, 11:58:47 PM »
Maria Theresa with her step kids Ferdinand and Margarethe ("Mitte")  and her daughters Maria Annunziata and Elisabeth

... but Margarethe's nickname wasn't "Mitte", but "Gretel".

"Mitte" is the German word for "in the middle", so here it means that M. is standing in the middle of the group. ;-)

The Habsburgs / Re: Archduke Albrecht (1817-95), and his family
« on: August 13, 2010, 11:40:26 AM »
The last one is Mathilde.

Yes, it is Mathilde. There are different versions of this photo.

French Royals / Re: Sophie, Duchess d'Alençon Part II
« on: July 29, 2010, 06:04:41 PM »
I don't have the dot taps.  :(

I know, but you wrote "Schornburnn" which might confuse other members of this forum. Besides it is possible to write "oe" instead of "ö".

French Royals / Re: Sophie, Duchess d'Alençon Part II
« on: July 28, 2010, 03:02:35 PM »
Sisi and her husband FJ did gave them (Sophie and her husband) a stern lecture when they visited Schornburnn after the storm blew over...

It's Schönbrunn.

Look for it in her first topic. It was posted over here and surely someone posted the name of the artist

As far as I remember the artist was Carl Fröschl.

Thanks. I think one of her daughters was named Immingrad who wrote her memoirs. I saw it when I was in Munich.

Their names are Heinrich (1922-1958), Irmingard (born 1923), Editha (born 1924), Hilda (1926-2002), Gabrielle (born 1927) and Sophie (born 1935).

The Wittlesbachs / Re: Prince Luitpold of Bavaria 1901-1914
« on: July 14, 2010, 04:29:14 PM »
Are there a books on Luitpold's diary in English?

Luitpold's diary - in case he had one - hasn't been published. Maybe you could find some information in biographies about his father Rupprecht. Huber also mentioned him quite often in his book about Marie Gabrielle, which is only available in German.

The Wittlesbachs / Re: Ludwig in Bavaria
« on: July 11, 2010, 02:45:58 AM »
Oh ! You cut Henriette Mendall (her mother) out ! 

It's Mendel.

Is he this one who was adopted, because the Dukes in Bavaria had no sons?

No, Duke Ludwig Wilhelm in Bavaria, Carl Theodor's son, adopted Prince Max Emanuel, Albrecht's second son, because he didn't have any children. But, as you maybe know, Max Emanuel has 5 daughters ...

I take it that no one has written a biography of Marie Gabrielle since Huber?

A historian I know wanted to write a new biography, but Duke Franz of Bavaria, Marie Gabrielle's grandson, was against it. He doesn't want historians to have access to the family archives in Tegernsee. But the Duke told my friend that he would highly appreciate a photo book about Marie Gabrielle. It's a pity.

The daughter is prettier.  

Well, I don't think that Marie Gabrielle's looks are comparable with those of her mother Marie José. The daughter was a blond with blue eyes and Marie José inherited the dark features of her parents.

In my opinion Marie Gabrielle was a pretty girl and young woman, but her fragile health and the loss of her children made her look unhappy, sad and exhausted.
Anyway, she was the most beautiful daughter of Carl Theodor. Amélie looked a lot like her mother Sophie of Saxony, Sophie was quite featureless and Elisabeth had that longish face I will never get used to.

I have always prefered Marie José - she's one of my all time favourites. :-)

Yes. I remember the famous telegram of "Mimi, arriviing with Spatz and grathel (not sure if the right spelling)" which meant Ludovika, Mathilde and Maximilan.

Gackel was Carl Theodor's nickname. In Bavarian dialect a cockerel is called "Gickerl" and what he does is "gackern" (to cackle). So, when Ludovica and her children Spatz (engl. sparrow) and Gackel arrived, everyone thought that the duchess took animals with her. :-)

Wedding of Ludovika and Max 1828

A picture I took of St. Quirinus, Tegernsee, where Ludovica and Max married:

A memorial plate of Ludovica's wedding in 1828:

A memorial plate of Amélie's wedding in 1892:

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