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I was sent this photo.   

Is the pup Jemmy?


The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц" to. I think the pup is Швыбзик (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.

I'm with you Ally and I'd like to know what breed of dog this is. Lovely photos too I might add particularly the one of AN which is a little clearer. 1915 or '16 I'm assuming?

Some years ago, this puppy was talked about and several photos were shown.  If this is correct,  then this puppy died quite young.  When I have time,  I’ll dig back through the pages.


The Imperial Family / Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
« on: October 24, 2016, 03:44:46 PM »
Thank you.

I finally have a little extra time and hope to pop in once in awhile.


The Imperial Family / Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
« on: October 21, 2016, 07:40:37 PM »
AP tells us:
>>The old horses are allowed to walk about in the meadow during summer. On the other side of the stable is a burial ground where a row of marble slabs mark the resting places of the favorite horses. Here lies "Ami" the horse that was with the Emperor Alexander I in Paris; "Flora", the horse that carried the Emperor Nicholas at Varna; and "Cob" the horse, which the late Tsar Alexander III used to ride, when he reviewed his troops.<<

The Imperial Family / Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
« on: October 21, 2016, 07:15:42 PM »
More from wikipeda:
>>Polish and Russian breeding programs[edit]
With the rise of light cavalry, the stamina and agility of horses with Arabian blood gave an enormous military advantage to any army who possessed them. As a result, many European monarchs began to support large breeding establishments that crossed Arabians on local stock, one example being Knyszyna, the royal stud of Polish king Zygmunt II August, and another the Imperial Russian Stud of Peter the Great.[115]

European horse breeders also obtained Arabian stock directly from the desert or via trade with the Ottomans. In Russia, Count Alexey Orlov obtained many Arabians, including Smetanka, an Arabian stallion who became a foundation sire of the Orlov trotter.[117][118] Orlov then provided Arabian horses to Catherine the Great, who in 1772 owned 12 pure Arabian stallions and 10 mares.[117] By 1889 two members of the Russian nobility, Count Stroganov and Prince Shcherbatov, established Arabian stud farms to meet the continued need to breed Arabians as a source of pure bloodstock.[113][117]

In Poland, notable imports from Arabia included those of Prince Hieronymous Sanguszko (1743–1812), who founded the Slawuta stud.[119][120] Poland's first state-run Arabian stud farm, Janów Podlaski, was established by the decree of Alexander I of Russia in 1817,[121] and by 1850, the great stud farms of Poland were well-established, including Antoniny, owned by the Polish Count Potocki (who had married into the Sanguszko family); later notable as the farm that produced the stallion Skowronek.[120][122]<<

The Imperial Family / Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
« on: October 21, 2016, 06:45:10 PM »
wikipedia carries this magazine article:
Vol. 76 June 2013 - The Crabbet & Russian ....
June 2013 - The Crabbet & Russian Edition, Russian

A Russian History
By Anne Finnerup   Wed, May 29, 2013
The Arabian horse in Russia has a very long history, going all the way back to the 12th century.

Photography unless stated from Finnerup Archives (lead photo:Naseem by Skowronek).
Historical times

The Arabian horse in Russia has a very long history, going all the way back to the 12th century. Ivan the Terrible had Arabians in his stables in the 1500s, and in the 18th century there were around 100 active Arabian breeding stallions in Russia.

From top: Amurath by Tajar; Arax by Amurath; Aswanin 1958 at the age of 18 years old; Mansour by Gamil Manial.
photos show

A nobleman by the name of Alexey Orlov created a new breed of horse – the Orlov Trotter – which had a very large percentage Arabian blood. Already at this point, the Arabian horse was highly treasured and very much in demand. Orlov paid the staggering sum of 60,000 Ruples for the stallion Smetanka who died after only one breeding season, but still had a profound influence on the breeding of both Orlov trotters and many other breeding programmes with a high percentage of Arabian pure-bred horses in their bloodlines.

Back then, the Arabian horse was not only praised for being a great endurance horse, a good hack, dressage horse, or family pet; no, their value was in their talent as war horses. They were strong, but still fast, agile and brave – all qualities that could potentially save the lives of their riders and that had made, for example, the Mamluk Cavalry near impossible to defeat until the introduction of the machine gun and the repeating rifles on the battlefields.

In 1889, another nobleman named Count Stroganov founded the stud that later became known as the Russian State Stud, Tersk. Count Stroganov, together with Prince Sherbatov, travelled several times to Arabia and Syria and they brought back with them valuable pure-bred Arabian horses.

Prince Sherbatov used them mostly for improving other breeds, but Count Stroganov created a programme for breeding pure-bred Arabians. In 1899, there were 66 pure-breds at the stud, including youngstock, and in 1901 they published the first stud book for Arabian horses in Russia.

The histories of the Russian and the Polish Arabian horses are inextricably intertwined; for many years, Poland was occupied by the Russians and, at least by the Russians, considered to be part of Russia, for example during the years 1864-1918 where the studs from the Polish/Russian areas bred many good pure-bred Arab horses that were also exported to the rest of Europe.
The famous stallions (1) Ursus (Dahman-Amir x Hagar), (2) Wan Dick (Vasco de Gama x Hela) and not least (3) Skowronek (Ibrahim x Jaskolka) are examples of horses that were born in areas that were Russian at the time, but which previously, as well as later, belonged to Poland.

During the Russian Civil War of 1917-1920, the entire breeding programme was blown to smithereens; all the horses disappeared, were killed or were lost forever. Not a single one of these valuable, wonderful creatures made it through this black time in the history of the Arabian horse. If any survived, they were scattered to the wind and never returned to the stud or the breeding programme.<<

The Imperial Family / Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
« on: October 21, 2016, 06:26:29 PM »
Joanna wrote a lot of data under the topic of The Horse Tomb of the Tsars:

Here is a photo of the Horse Cemetery of October 22, 2000:


The Imperial Family / Re: Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Links List
« on: October 19, 2016, 06:37:05 PM »
Constantinople wrote in the topic THE TSAR'S HORSES on 4 Aug 2010:
>>The finest stables in town were the Imperial Stables on the Moika Canal. They were originally built in 1720-3 by the German architect, Gobel, but they were rebuilt by Vasilii Stasov in 1817-23. At the center of the main facade of the building seen here, is a large church with an Ionic loggia facing the street. The building was huge and complex, it had four long facades bend to conform to its' location and it enclosed a large courtyard.

The Imperial Court required hundreds of fine animals every day to conduct its' normal business and many more on special occasions. The Tsar had his own personal horses, which were kept mostly at Tsarskoe Selo and Gatchina. Deep relationships often developed between the sovereign and his mounts. Many of these horses served their masters for years, accompanying their masters on a daily basis and also riding in parades and taking part in battles. It was hard work, but these horses were well cared for. Their stablemen came from across Russia and all over the world. They had Russian groomsmen, English trainers and German doctors to look after them. They lived in equine luxury near the Tsar's palaces and often accompanied him on his foreign travels. Their equipment and tack was the finest to be had, and it was kept in tip-top shape at all times. When the working days of these pampered animals were over they were sent to the Imperial stud farm at Tsarskoe Selo. Even in retirement they were remembered. The Tsar and his family would often visit their mounts in retirement. At the end of their days they were given funerals and buried in the horse cemetery, there graves honoring them by name, date of birth and death, and the Tsar they served.


The breeds used for stud for the officers in the Tsar's army changed through time.  I do know about my great grandfather's horses that were in the Tsar's and many officer's stable in the late 1800s.  Some of his mares came from Trakenhner and his studs was from the Persian-Arabians.  They were beautiful, 18 hands high and different colors.  Many regiments rode one color horse.  Popular was the greys for the Tsar and his generals.  Orlov horses were trotters.  The father of Leo Tolstoy bred horses but the author wasn't interested and sold all of them.  There were the Hoffmann's horses that bred Orlov with Arabians.... Nathaniel Schlauch bred his Orlov trotter  stallion "Piron" with his stock... "Piron" was one of the few German-Russian horses that survived WWI and became a star in the circus and was grand for parades.

According to Constantinople, TSAR'S HORSES,  Tatiana's diary names many of their horses.

Somewhere I had named the name of many of the various horses of many of the Tsars.   When or if I find it,  I'll post it.


Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Her Accent
« on: October 07, 2016, 07:17:48 PM »
German and Latin were important in the field of medicine before the mid 1950s.

A person does not have to live in Germany to claim their German heritage.  The Winsors and Romanovs have their share of German ancestors. 


Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Her Accent
« on: October 07, 2016, 07:05:01 PM »
So glad to see people are still paying attention.   It's been sometime since I jumped into AP and I  failed to be as accurate as I should be among the cream-of-the-crop of European historians. 

George III was "the farmer" and lucky for the US was ruling when we had our "Rebellion of the Colonies".

True,  the House of Hanover was changed to Winsor in 1917 which I should have said first then added:  ...due to the Hitler and Nazi Germany,  the British wanted to farther distance themselves from being German.   

I was glad to see that some posters  realize how German the British royal family was. 

As far as accents,  I have cousins who have grown up in the Midwest who's first language was German and didn't learn English until they entered school.  Some still carry the telltale accent of German which tells people their first language was German.  Others have lost their accent.  My folks spoke different dialects of German  (High and Low) and it was hard for them to communicate so they spoke English in our home and I never learn to speak German.  I was probably the only German-Russian-American kid in our town that didn't speak German first.  My mother's mother spoke seven languages and always with a German accent.  My mother spoke German first then English but hasn't an accent.  She can switch back and forth from one language to the other with ease.  My younger son had an ear for language just like my mother's mother.... No accent when speaking any language he voiced.   So,  it just depends on the person.  In Alexandra case she spoke German first.  Did she have an accent?  I think it would depend on the person who was listening and being able to detect an accent.  Also,  our speech changes as we grow older.  It depends upon who we are around...  I often fall into being a mimic and have to catch myself so I do not offend anyone.


Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Her Accent
« on: October 06, 2016, 07:37:03 PM »
Albert, Prince Consort was a German.  He spoke German as his first language.  After his marriage to Queen Victoria he requested that behind closed doors the family should speak German in his presents.  Therefore, all of his children spoke German and I believe Alexandra, also, spoke German with her own father before she lived with Queen Victoria.

Because of Hitler and the Nazi take over of Germany,  the British wanted to cover over their own German blood and changed themselves into the House of Winsor.  Remember,  they had been des. of the old German farmer Georgie I of Hanover who never spoke English.  History books have downplayed how German Queen Victoria was. 

This old bear is old enough to remember that universities and high school taught German for those who were going into the field of medicine.   French and ballet were taught to the girls who had social status.  In Austria the upper class spoke Italian....  The British laughed at our American English while Americans vowed never to bow to anyone. 


What is known about the author Simon Sebag Montefiore?

Evpatoria, May 1916

ГА РФ, ф. 683 оп. 1 д. 125 л. 8 фото 110



THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS by King and Wilson p. 364 tell us that  Joy was found with Michael Letemin when he was arrested.  

Aleksei's dog, named Shot:

The dog "Shot" was probably the dog before Joy.  Does anyone have anything in the diaries that talk about Joy as a pup or anywhere that tells us how old Joy was?  Or why he became Alexis's dog???


As far as we know,  the King Charles coloring was similar to the one shown here.


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