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The Hohenzollern / Re: End of the Monarchies
« on: February 11, 2008, 12:05:08 PM »
Would it be correct to view the North German Confederation as a Prussian Empire but not to view the German Empire as such?

The Hohenzollern / Re: End of the Monarchies
« on: February 10, 2008, 07:53:26 AM »
'A major reshaping of central Europe without a bloody war': well, if one overlooks minor matters like the wars with Austria, Denmark and France. Bismarck's legacy was in fact highly equivocal because he set Germany on a militaristic course which was extremely dangerous when he was no longer in control.

True, but after the war with France, all Bismarck wanted was peace. I think that his only major mistake was Alsace-Lorraine. Had Germany not annexed that area perhaps much bloodshed could have been avoided.

The Hohenzollern / Re: End of the Monarchies
« on: February 07, 2008, 02:02:39 PM »
I always thought that Friedrich Ebert was an anti-monarchist. But, now that I am starting to read about him, it seems that he was not as strongly anti-monarchy as I thought. Was there ever a referendum on whether the various German states should be republics or monarchies? It seems that during the Revolution the monarchs abdicated and, later, the Weimar Assembly just took republicanism for granted.

"This is the kind of canonization I don't think is terribly helpful," said Reese, a Jesuit and former editor of the magazine America. "We don't need any more kings or princes or bishops . . . We need to find saints that connect to ordinary people.

FYI, most people would consider the Jesuits and America to be fairly leftwing. So this comment is not surprising.

The Hohenzollern / Re: The Kaiser and Britain
« on: February 04, 2008, 10:29:55 AM »
In one of the biographies I read many many years ago, the offer of asylum from Britain to the UK was discussed. It has always remained in my mind as a noble offer and, frankly, a strange one. My understanding is that the Kaiser and his wife at first accepted and that she was thrilled to be going to Britain. However, the Kaiser felt that the Dutch had been very good to him and he wanted to share their sufferings rather than run out on them. His later telegrams of congratulations to Hitler on the fall of Paris were not entirely heartfelt. At least according to the biographies I have read the telegram was meant to help improve relations for his family which was under scrutiny by the Nazis.

Singing Tantum Ergo at a Funeral Mass is odd, but if Carl requested it, that explains why it was sung. The Imperial Hymn was sung outside the crypt just before the coffin was carried in - at least I think it was if heard correctly on the Youtube video I watched. The Imperial Hymn is known as the Volkshymne in German?

I find it strange that "Tantum Ergo" was sung at a Funeral Mass. Was this just a way to be able to sing the Imperial Hymn else it would not be permitted? (Although I seem to recall that it was sung at Empress Zita's funeral.) Did Carl have a devotion to the Blessed Sacrament so that this hymn would be requested? I find it odd, although it probably isn't.

 From the video it is hard for me to make out the words! The caption says that they sung "Tantun Ergo" to the Imperial tune. But that is a Benediction hymn, why would they sing that at a funeral Mass? Or did they sing the words of the Imperial hymn?

The Hohenzollern / Re: Kaiser Wilhelm II
« on: January 18, 2008, 09:32:10 AM »
A few random questions. Was security a major issue for Wilhelm in exile? Were there any threats? Did he have to have guards? I am told that the Dutch government wants to close Huis Doorn. is this correct? What will happen to it and its contents?

The Hohenzollern / Re: End of the Monarchies
« on: January 10, 2008, 11:36:21 AM »
If I understand the Basic Law (constitution) of the Federal Republic of Germany correctly, one cannot even propose an amendment to the Basic Law to change the system of government from a republic to something else. So, to restore one or more German monarchies, a whole new constitution would have to be adopted with all the issues surrounding that, or the Basic Law's own amendment provisions would have to be disregarded. Of course, this is purely an academic discussion.

The Habsburgs / Re: Archduke Otto (1912-2011) and his family
« on: January 09, 2008, 10:26:50 AM »
Archduke Karl as Otto's eldest son will become head of the House of Habsburg. Indeed, I think Otto has already confirmed this and Karl is effectively a regent. There is a short Wikipedia article on him in both English and German. Does anyone know what he does now? Does he work? Are the Habsburgs comfortable enough that he does not have to work? Does he live in a villa near Salzburg or just an ordinary house? Does he have any interest in the family and in keeping the Habsburg aspirations (such as they are!) alive? Thanks.

The Habsburgs / Re: The restoration of Monarchy in Austria...
« on: January 08, 2008, 06:01:48 AM »
Why should there be? The Austrian people do not seem interested.  Typically, such parties consist of snobs, eccectrincs, fanatics and or romantics with no real political purpose or connection to popular reality. If a monarchy is stable and popular, there is no need for  such a political party, as they are often seen as arch-conservative, church-linked and  therefore divisive in modern society. It also defeats the concept of a monarch being "above politics". They do come into play where the monarchy is under threat, however, as in Australia and Canada.  How effective they are is to  ultimately be seen.

All I can say, as a non-Austrian, is that it would be nice if a solid group of persons existed who wanted to bring the monarchy to the attention of the voting population as a positive institution and a link with the past. But, that is, I strongly suspect, a pipe dream. I dare say that Otto and Karl are not too interested in a restoration either.

The Habsburgs / Re: The restoration of Monarchy in Austria...
« on: January 07, 2008, 12:50:23 PM »
Actually, I find it surprising that there is not at least one political party in Austria that is pro-monarchy. Someone needs to start one!

The Habsburgs / Re: The restoration of Monarchy in Austria...
« on: December 31, 2007, 05:50:37 AM »
Okay, I realize that I am in dreamland here, but if Austria were to bring back the monarchy, should the reigning monarch be known as Emperor of Austria or Archduke of Austria?

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