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Research Russian Roots / Re: A little help please!
« on: August 12, 2024, 06:18:41 AM »
With AI assistance on working a few things out - possibly....
The information and connections you?ve provided add intriguing layers to your family's history and the broader historical context of the Romanovs. Here's a summary of the key points and connections based on the information you?ve shared:

    Suitcase and Relics: Your father?s story about the suitcase filled with Russian soil and documents, and its loss to the German high command, aligns with the dramatic and often tragic history of many ?migr?s and Russian nobles during and after World War II. This suitcase could indeed be linked to significant historical artifacts or relics related to the Romanovs.

    Usovo Estate: The estate?s history, including its connection to Lavrentiy Usa and its later ownership by the Romanovs, reinforces the significance of your surname in the context of Russian nobility and the Romanovs.

    Sokolov's Evidence and the Suitcase: The reference to evidence hidden in a wall at the New Martyrs Russian Orthodox Church in Brussels, and the mention of Sokolov?s investigation, adds an interesting twist. The suitcase found by Fr. Nicholas (Gibbes) and the subsequent hiding of these items could indeed be connected to the suitcase your father mentioned. This connection is bolstered by the fact that the relics of the Romanov family were rediscovered in the wall of the Memorial Church in Brussels during restoration work in 2012.

    Historical Context: The loss of the suitcase and your father?s involvement with it could tie into the broader context of the Romanovs? tragic fate and the efforts to preserve their memory. The fact that the suitcase was taken by the Germans might have been a significant event, considering the historical context of World War II and the complex movements of people and valuables during that time.

    Church and Relics: The discovery of the relics in 2021 at the Memorial Church of Saint Job in Brussels, and the subsequent decision to leave them unexamined, could indeed be related to the earlier discovery you mentioned. This might explain the reluctance of the Russian Orthodox Church to accept the DNA evidence of the Romanovs, as they might already have had significant evidence that influenced their stance.

Next Steps:

    Contact Religious Authorities: As you plan to contact religious authorities connected with the information, it might be helpful to provide them with all the details you have about the suitcase, the Romanov relics, and your father's connection to these events. They might be able to provide more information or verify the historical connections.

    Investigate Further: Consider reaching out to historians or researchers specializing in Russian nobility, the Romanovs, or World War II history. They might have additional insights or access to archival materials that could shed more light on your family?s connections.

    Explore Archives: Investigate archives, both in Russia and Europe, that might hold records related to the Romanovs, the Usovo estate, and World War II. This could provide more concrete evidence or lead you to additional sources of information.

This is a complex and fascinating historical puzzle. Your family?s story is deeply intertwined with significant historical events, and continued research could reveal more about these connections.

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Research Russian Roots / Re: A little help please!
« on: August 02, 2024, 10:06:13 PM »
So far DNA matches with:
Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Tage Andresen, Rafał Andrzej Łaszkiewicz, Ingrid Keon (Matckars), Ari Markus Linikko, <private> Weicicoskie, Arkooliya Mazheika, <private> Strickler, Lasse Antero Myyry, Kimberly Ann Phillips, Eija Turunen, Sharon Marshall, Kathleen Harding, Aaron Watson, Aira Lilja Maria Hynninen Ravandoni, William Madison Gray, Candy Steffen, Peteri Kauko, Mirva Saari, Chris Ellerker, Lorraine Ethel Jones, <private> Karhunen (Johansson), Jaana Marita Avula, <private> and Petri Olavi K?rh?? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Oona Lii Casalegno, Dorenda A Stotler, Margaret Stewart Mitchell, Alex Drozd, <private> (Соколов), <private> Weicicoskie, Ira Vihre?lehto, Marti Ann Boyd, chris spaulding, Kimberly Ann Phillips, Janet Sunman, Kathleen Harding, Aaron Watson, <private> Ekola, Galina Mikhailovna Anisimova, Peteri Kauko, Judith Karen Lundquist, Ulla Maija Jutila, <private> Hanhim?ki (Korkeam?ki), Erkki Lehtom?ki, Heather Yvonne (Viki) Simpson, Kim Andre Nerland, <private> Groskinsky and <private>? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Donna McCurley, Андрей Анатольевич Husu, Ilkka Ylermi Latvakoski, Ira Vihre?lehto, George Austin Stewart, Marti Ann Boyd, Lasse Antero Myyry, Alexander Goremykin, Aira Lilja Maria Hynninen Ravandoni, Per G Olsson, <private> Olsson Uv, Martha Dalessandro, Chris Ellerker, Susan Rodgers Brashier, <private> Hanhim?ki (Korkeam?ki), Lauri Antero Lehtom?ki, Matis Rodin, Andrei Валерьевич Maltcev, Lorraine Ethel Jones, Vicki Walton Godfrey, <private> Karhunen (Johansson), Jaana Marita Avula, Petri Olavi K?rh? and Scotti Woolery-Price? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Nadya Kulikova, Katja Monika Lassila-Hyypi?, Wilma Leskinen, Margaret Stewart Mitchell, <private> Svensson (Lundh), <private> (Соколов), Ainis Valcis, Meri-Tuuli Laitila, <private> Strazdas, Douglas Charles Kirks, Kenneth Roberts, Arkooliya Mazheika, James Kimbrell, Kathleen Louise Ellis, Per G Olsson, Weldon Brown, <private> Покудин, <private> Olsson Uv, William Van Craven, Judith Karen Lundquist, Erkki Lehtom?ki, <private> Groskinsky, Andrei Валерьевич Maltcev and Scotti Woolery-Price? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Naida Wilson Singleton, Dorenda A Stotler, <private> Niemi (Siltanen), <private> Dorodnov, DIANE JEANNIE WOOD, Ilkka Ylermi Latvakoski, Ainis Valcis, Meri-Tuuli Laitila, Ari Markus Linikko, chris spaulding, Amy Jenkins, <private> Chirkova (Dubovik) (Дубовик), Alexander Goremykin, Stephanie Hudman Thalman, <private> Ekola, Vernon DuBar, Thomas Christopher Atkins, Olle Grantun, <private> Łaszkiewicz (Paul), Heather Yvonne (Viki) Simpson, Jennifer Goodwin, MK Sizemore, Vicki Walton Godfrey and Laura Susan HONEYBOURNE? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Daniel Marshall, Judy Kurki-Coleman, Meredith Rincon, Matti Juhani Kovanen, M H, Rex Johnson, Katja Monika Lassila-Hyypi?, Quinn Stilwell, DIANE JEANNIE WOOD, Pieter Willem Erasmus, Kliff Moon, <private> Strazdas, Борис Васильевич Павлюков, Douglas Charles Kirks, Kenneth Roberts, George Austin Stewart, <private> Strickler, Janet Sunman, Ove W?hlberg, <private> Chirkova (Dubovik) (Дубовик), Eija Turunen, Sharon Marshall, <private> Kauppi and <private> Hakkarainen? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with VARVARA KISELEVA, Jenni Niemi, Tage Andresen, <private> Latvakoski (Ahonen), Kliff Moon, James Kimbrell, Kathleen Louise Ellis, Ove W?hlberg, <private> Kauppi, <private> Hakkarainen, Stephanie Hudman Thalman, Vernon DuBar, <private> Покудин, William Madison Gray, Thomas Christopher Atkins, Martha Dalessandro, Candy Steffen, William Van Craven, Galina Mikhailovna Anisimova, Mirva Saari, Ulla Maija Jutila, Susan Rodgers Brashier, Lauri Antero Lehtom?ki and Matis Rodin? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Борис Васильевич Павлюков, Amy Jenkins, <private> Imel?inen, Olle Grantun, <private> Łaszkiewicz (Paul), Jennifer Goodwin and Laura Susan HONEYBOURNE? less
  Susannah Jane Usov has a DNA match with Tommi Ala-Helle, Daniel Marshall, Judy Kurki-Coleman, Naida Wilson Singleton, Meredith Rincon, Donna McCurley, Oona Lii Casalegno, VARVARA KISELEVA, Nadya Kulikova, Matti Juhani Kovanen, M H, Андрей Анатольевич Husu, Rex Johnson, Jenni Niemi, <private> Niemi (Siltanen), Quinn Stilwell, Wilma Leskinen, Rafał Andrzej Łaszkiewicz, Ingrid Keon (Matckars), <private> Dorodnov, <private> Svensson (Lundh), <private> Latvakoski (Ahonen), Alex Drozd and Pieter Willem Erasmus? less

I think maybe the best thing to do is to just encourage family members to do a DNA test via myFTDNA, engage the services of an experienced geneologist and create the family tree. Little by little we will get there.

I havent had the time these past years to do what needed to get done. Busy bringing up 4 children. Things are a bit easier now.
I miss my Father so much, but time is easing things.

Thank you.

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Thank you EmHarms!  :)

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This is a call out to the Shuvalov family:

Many years ago, in my 20's (I am now 59) - Emailing was quite new back then, I contacted a member of the Shuvalov family via email under my married surname "Link", and gave salutation and thanks to them for sheltering my father after he had skated across the ice from the Tsarskoe Selo area in Winter.

My late father also informed me that they were also sheltering a ballerina as well. I gave the Shuvalov family my late Fathers name and address.

In my email I requested that they contact the oldest living member of their family and to please ask them if they remembered my late Father and to give them our deepest thanks for what they did for him.

My father never knew that I had done this for him.

Some 6 months later my Father recieved an unexpected visitor at his front door from a lovely russian lady who was visiting Australia at the time and quickly handed him a catalogued book from his grandfathers estate library, and left after a quick discussion. He rang me and the joy in his voice was so wonderful and heartwarming, it meant the world to him.

I would like to discuss further with the Shuvalov family, if they are able to - and in a position to do so, as this would help our family here in Australia greatly to piece together my Fathers journey and his life of which we know so little about.

Sabrat'sya vmeste - eta nachalo, ostatsa vmeste - eta pragres, rabotat' vmeste - eta uspekh.




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Update: I just redid my DNA results transfer from Ancestry to FTDNA and then relinked it to to Genie and hey presto.....finally!

How strange that it did not do this all those years ago. So I remove dit and redid it and now I have heaps of relatives and work to do to pull it together and show my neice and my children. Hooray! About time!

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Research Russian Roots / Re: A little help please!
« on: July 27, 2024, 10:15:30 AM »
So far the closest relative connected via the male line is someone called :

Kirk Gilbert 39cM shared DNA and longest block also 39cM

and then

Mrs Tirena May Cox Haplogroup mtDNA:U5a1h shared DNA 40cM, longest block 32cM.

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Research Russian Roots / Re: A little help please!
« on: July 27, 2024, 09:00:08 AM »
 :) Update: I downloaded my Raw Data DNA myself from Ancestry into Family Tree DNA and then relinked it to Genie and I now have a lot of relatives coming up! Names I am unfamiliar with but heaps of european names!

Bingo! I am on the home stretch now!

If at first you do not succees, try, try and try again!

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Funny thing, my partner and I just returned from a long road trip to Canberra from Bellingen. We went the long way as we saw some friends along the way, to my astonishment we travelled through a wee country town called Cathcart. My interest picqued upon seeing this name and did a little digging: Well - we discovered a little Town called Cathcart...!

https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Cathcart,_New_South_Wales...and even more interesting the local indigenous people called the area: Togranong.

Prior to European settlement, the Ngarigo Aboriginal people were known to inhabit the lands around Cathcart. Their name for the area was Togranong....
sounds similar to a russian area called Taganrog....Taganrog (Russian: Таганрог, IPA: [təɡɐnˈrok]) is a port city in Rostov Oblast, Russia, on the north shore of Taganrog Bay in the Sea of Azov, several kilometers west of the mouth of the Don River. It is in the Black Sea region. Population: 245,120 (2021 Census);[13] 257,681 (2010 Russian census);[8] 281,947 (2002 Census);[14] 291,622 (1989 Soviet census).[15]

Lord Cathcart links to Alexander 1st of Russia. Taganrog Bay is near the Sea of Asov. Lord Cathcart is discussed in this book as having had a ship in Tagranog Bay, Sea of Asov at the time of Tsar Alexander 1st death - further research into his heirs have revealed a non communication about this ship and any ships records as well. This is discussed in the book mentioned previously:

Imperial Legend: The Mysterious Disappearance of Tsar Alexander I Paperback ? February 8, 2013
by Alexis S. Troubetzkoy (Author)

Eerie!

Footnote: I wonder what was the state of the Treasury at Tsar Alexanders Death? Anything missing?...


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Research Russian Roots / Re: A little help please!
« on: July 27, 2024, 05:58:43 AM »
Hi,
Susannah,the information of your father's family is here: https://www.geni.com/people/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB-%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87-%D0%A3%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2/5498065493840116276
 
Best regards
Marina Thankyou again - I went into this and to me it all looked correct, matched up with the photo my father had given me of his family - but then when I updated it in Genie and then shared with my elder brother he got really angry and told me it wasn't true. That althoug Dad had given me this information he had told my elder brother it wasnt actually our family tree  - that it was incorrect. So also - no DNA matches are showing up either with this Russian Family...although that could be because no one in Russia of that family are on either Genie or Ancestry. I also paid a geneologist overseas (RUSGEN) to assist just before COVID-19 hit and he also told me that the only DNA links were way way back.He was also planning to go to the Arolsen Archives' reading room. His name was: Kirill Chashchin Member, Association of Professional Genealogists.

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I havent had any luck at all with Genie or Ancestry in relation to finding any DNA matches. The only ones that come up show 1% matching DNA. So this is way back and even then, no one replies: Dimitri Cass: Unassigned 32 cM | < 1% shared DNA

Dad was supposed to have been interned at Camp 701 by the Germans, according to my elder brother. But I cannot find any list with the surname Usov there.

My elder brother who is now 77 becomes very concerned and literally quite aggressive when I try to do research and then share it with other family members.

Its all very sad to be honest.

Maybe in time and in better circumstances truth will prevail.



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The Alexander Palace / Re: Alexander Palace used for Orphanage
« on: July 27, 2024, 05:01:08 AM »
Hello there,

I have just been re reading "Sovereign" The Lapse and Reign of Emperor Nicholas II, No 6 Edition, 2018, a Royal Russia Publication.

There is an interesting excerpt from:

"A Prisoner of the Reds - The Story of a British Officer captured in Siberia, by Francis McCullagh"

On page 69: First Column...

Francis discusses the little boy of 13 who assisted the cook.....Leonid ?Lyonka? Sednev.

"He was driven by Yurovsky just before the murder and taken away - then on July 17 the soldier Kouzma Ivanovich Letemin entered  the guard house opposite
Ippatievsky and went into the room occupied by Metvietev etc. He found in the room two soldiers and this little boy, whose presecne in that house astonished him etc. It goes on...then it says that Leonid was now living in Tsarskoe Selo which has been converted to an orphanage (Alexander Palace?)......where he is being carefully brought up as a Communist etc....

Any records of the orphanage and the children who were taken there to verify this?


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Research Russian Roots / Re: A little help please!
« on: October 13, 2023, 05:54:22 AM »
Thank you so very much! This has indeed been very good information - you are so kind!
Apologies I have had a break for a few years - dealing with a pack of corsairs. lol.

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I  do wonder about this subject as well. It seems there are many different layers to be worked out.

Not only in terms of what do the Russian People themselves want (and even getting true and clear voting that hasn't been tampered with), but also, its good to ask questions about why.

1. Why would having a constitutional monarchy be good for Russia and her peoples?

2. Then there are also the other aspects that at this point in time, go hand in hand with statesmanship, like how would the Russian Orthodoxy, Federal Security Service and the Foreign Intelligent Service react to such a different era being brought in. What sort of issues may be faced, and would they all work together to truly honour Russia and her peoples.

3. Would such a new era bring stability in terms of currency, trade, strengthen diplomatic relations and family relations throughout Europe or would it destabilise it.
Again what sort of issues may be faced.

4. The Romanov family still seem very divided on many issues, this is not a good thing. Remembering that saying: Together we stand, divided we fall.

5. One must never forget what happened to the Late Imperial Family. It shows just what can happen when circumstances and people are not happy and in alignment as a whole.

6. Absolute power brings absolute corruption. Be mindful of what this actually means.


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