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Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich / Re: Aleksei Photos III
« on: July 19, 2014, 10:16:41 PM »
I have to guess Alexandra wasn't present during this moment  ;)


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The Final Chapter / Re: Captivity photo's
« on: July 19, 2014, 09:53:26 PM »
I've never seen this one before...



And this one is Nicholas's study at Tobolsk as it is today


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The Final Chapter / Re: Captivity photo's
« on: July 19, 2014, 09:38:19 PM »
I can identify Anastasia and Tatiana but I'm having trouble separating Olga and Maria




Does anyone have a more clear better version?


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Thank you very much Inok Nikolai!

The whole cousin thing kind of confuses me once we get past first ones but what cousins are Olga and Elizabeth?

Christian IX - Alexandra - George V - George VI - Elizabeth

Christian IX - Maria - Olga

I think first cousins twice removed or something like that, I don't know. Is there any other bloodline connection between them?


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This is a very pretty photo of Olga in the last years of her life. It was taken in 1959 when Queen Elizabeth visited Toronto and Olga was invited to a luncheon on Britannia.


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Has anyone ever visited Olga's grave in Toronto? There's a plaque at the base of the gravesite that tells the story of her life. Maybe someone could at least summarize what it says.



This is the plaque I'm talking about which unfortunately is too small to read.




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The Final Chapter / Re: Captivity photo's
« on: July 19, 2014, 01:47:14 PM »
I hope your right. There must be a treasure of photos somewhere in the archives from not just captivity but before the war too just waiting to be found.

I'm guessing photos where taken either by servants or the IF. And maybe before Tobolsk while at the AP even their captors???

If Maria was the one learning how to develop photos at Tobolsk then I wouldn't be surprised if a large majority of what we have were taken by her and that's why photos of her are so rare. I can understand the rareness of Alexandra photos but it seems strange that there are so few of Maria unless she was the one taking them.

Last photos:

Olga, Tatiana, Anastasia, Alexei - on the Rus to Yekaterinburg
Nicholas - Someone here said its one of him standing outside in Tobolsk (the one where the big fence can be seen behind him). Does anyone have it? I've seen it but it was a while ago.
Alexandra - on the balcony in Tobolsk
Maria - ??

Does anybody know the last photo of the whole IF together?  

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Looks like the artist drawing of Irina Dru posted on #339 used the photo of Irina and Felix posted on #341 as the model.

It's always interesting to see and compare the original photo with the drawing.

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The Final Chapter / Re: Captivity photo's
« on: July 18, 2014, 03:54:56 PM »
I know the last known photos of Olga, Tatiana, Anastasia and Alexei taken on the Rus but does anyone know the last photo of Maria? I know she wasn't there since she accompanied Nicholas and Alexandra to Yekaterinburg ahead of the others. Does anyone know what Maria's last photo is?

It's been said on here the last known photo of the Empress is of her on the balcony with Olga and Tatiana at Tobolsk in 1917 so I assume this would be the last of Nicholas and Alexandra together as well.

 

So unless I'm wrong the only "last known photo" I don't know is Marias



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Olga Nicholaievna / Re: Tsarina Olga!?!?
« on: July 15, 2014, 06:55:35 PM »
All those marriage rumors and not a single one followed though  :(

To think if she had married she would have certainly lived....so tragic

I always got the feeling deep inside that if OTMA ever did marry it would be a marriage similar to their aunt Olga. Not the gay part, but a prince who while not important or grand enough for the daughter of a Tsar was rich and came from a respected name family in the empire. The best they would come to marrying a foreigner is if their husband moved to Russia like the husband of Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna (daughter of Nicholas I) did. That's just my opinion of course but for some reason I find it hard to imagine any of them really leaving home and moving away.    

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I've never seen that photo before, thanks Carolath!

She looks very stern. I've never considered her a great beauty or anything although there are a few photos of her that do make her look pretty. To be honest and a little shallow I think it was her nose, its what stands out in many of her pictures. Photographing almost at a profile most of the time didn't help her  :-[

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I was reading Ian Vorres biography on Olga Aexandrovna and she mentions Ekaterina having a house not far from hers and that she would privately visit her. She pretty much said Ekaterina lived in the past, talked of nothing but Alexander II and that her house was filled with relics of the past.

I thought after the assassination she moved to France and didn't know she had a residence in St. Petersburg. I found that pretty strange since I imagine it would have been pretty awkward. Are there any photos of Ekaterina post 1881 and in old age?

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Olga Nicholaievna / Re: Tsarina Olga!?!?
« on: July 14, 2014, 08:45:33 PM »
Was amending the line of succession ever seriously considered?

I know Alexandra was obsessed with Alexei succeeding to the throne and Nicholas was determined to leave everything just as his father had left it to him but they must have realized just how unrealistic it was becoming as time went on (especially after Spala).

Did they really think when Nicholas died Alexei could truly be successful as Tsar with his condition? Nicholas clearly didn't when he illegally abdicated for Alexei in 1917 so why didn't he act earlier when there was still a throne to protect? I'm surprised he still wanted Michael to take the throne after he broke the house rules and married Natalia in 1912. It would have been a perfect moment to amend the succession and put his daughters ahead. I really don't understand because like edubs31 said better Olga then the Valdimiovich.

Let's pretend Nicholas did amend the succession and allowed his daughters to follow Alexei. Despite wanting to keep the whole family together by 1917 Olga was legally of age, so he wouldn't be able to abdicate for her. Would Nicholas still have abdicated for Alexei and leave the whole mess to his daughter? Would there actually have been a Tsar Alexei with a regent Olga? How would Alexandra react to being separated from any of them? Also I believe Olga suffered a breakdown during the war so that leaves the question of her mental strength unless ascending to the throne suddenly made her better. At the time of abdication Olga was ill at Tsarskoe Selo, would she still accept it or would the desire to keep the family together make her refuse it too? One wonders what would have happened if she suddenly at that moment became Tsarina.

It's a series of major what ifs

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Forgive me if there is already a thread on this but I didn't find one. I was playing around on youtube and I was lucky to find this in its entirety.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ptvwj/episodes/guide

It's a three part BBC documentary on Queen Victoria and her relationship with her children. It showed her obsessive behavior concerning Albert and her difficulty after his death and its effects on her relationship with their children. It features interviews with historians including Charlotte Zeepvat.

I thought it was very interesting and while I knew the basics that were shown I didn't know the smaller details. I knew Victoria could be difficult but she came off a lot harsher then I would have imagined her. I always viewed her as very selfish but didn't think she was that cruel. I was already sympathetic to the children to start  with but after watching this I felt for them even more.

On other Royal forums the reaction to this seems to be rather mixed. Many people have said Victoria's behavior is exaggerated and she was nowhere near as bad as the documentary suggests while others said she was.

Has anyone else seen this and what did they think of it?

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I'm so jealous, as Rodney_G said we rarely get BBC broadcasts in the USA and they always have such fascinating stuff  :(

American history channels certainly won't show it cause it doesn't feature Hitler  ;). And American PBS stations, if they actually air it at all, wouldn't show it until a long time after it first aired.

Hopefully someone puts it on youtube or something

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