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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Anna Anderson and Anastasia
« on: July 09, 2004, 02:14:23 PM »
Yeah, and also, in James Blair Lovell's book, there is a picture of Anna Anderson's ear in close-up and a picture of Anastasia's ear in close-up. The photos are captioned "Comparison of Anastasia's ear with Anna Anderson's.

THE PICTURE OF "ANASTASIA" WAS ACTUALLY of Grand Duchess MARIE. I hope that is not the picture they used to determine her authenticity.

Books about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia / Rescuing the Czar
« on: July 09, 2004, 05:26:04 AM »
Has anyone else heard of this book, or read excerpts from it? It is mentioned heavily in Shea McNeal's "Secret Plot to Save the Tsar" and in Guy Richards "Hunt for the Czar" and "Rescue of the Romanovs". It appears that mystery surrounds this book because it is written in the form of two diaries, haphazardly put together and quite jumbled. It reveals that an American secret agent and someone else, probably Russian, evacuated the Romanovs out of Ipatiev house through a water cistern underground which led to a British consuate in Ekaterinburg, and from there supposedly they were whisked off to many other countries, including Hong Kong...

No one knows who wrote it, and it appeared in big-name libraries like the Library of Congress and Yale in 1920 and there was no promotion of the book whatsoever. Hearing all this, I thought it was intriguing, but then I read some of it in Richards' "The Hunt for the Czar" and I thought, what a bunch of crap!

:-/ "Rescuing the Czar" reads like an Ian Fleming novel, at best! Our "rescuer", a Mr. Fox, is a guard in the Ipatiev house who stages a rescue attempt after he knocks one of the guards unconcious and leads the family out of the house and into a tunnel underground (conveniently, no mention of any of the guards on the roof or sentries noticing this--hard to beleive) and they crawl for long hours in a dirt tunnel. He describes how Alexei bleeds and Alix bandages his wound, and he flirts with Maria...all of it is written in an almost humorous way, like he is poking fun at the Bolsheviks and having a daily jaunt. No serious undertones at all.

I can't beleive anyone would take this book seriously, or even CONSIDER it, as McNeal did, as grounds to claim an escape.

It is impossibe to obtain in entirety, unless you want one of the 1200 copies ever published- and are prepared to pay a price... for example, online at this bookstore:

I was left really scratching my head after reading "Anastasia: Riddle of Anna Anderson" and Anastasia: the Lost Princess".

She knew so many tiny details that it was astounding. How could she have known this stuff, as an imposter? If she wasn't Anastasia, she must have had contact with the Imperial family through a servant, or a staff member, or SOMETHING, to know how Anastasia bathed Shura in perfume, and the brown velvet texture of Alexandra's dress in a b/w photo, and the style of the tsar's pipe, and all the details about Felix Dassel from the war hospital--- how did she KNOW?! HOW!

And yet, DNA proves her to be F. Schanzkowska?!
It just doesn't add up. If Anderson was the factory worker, how did she know all that? I could've beleived the evidence easier if it proved her not to be Anastasia and not to be F. Schanzkowska, either.

And the scars, and hallux vagus?! This is another story... ???

WOw, I have learned so much on this board so far..and I thought I knew all I could! I agree with the person who said that they thought the more they read about the Romanovs' fate, the more they would know but it turns out to be the opposite!

There are so many stories and possibilities of what happened that night, that I doubt we will ever know what happened to them. So FRUSTRATING!

I never knew that Maria was flirting with the guards in Ipatiev house-- when you say that she was "caught" with Skorokhodov-- what exactly was she doing?  No other books give mention of this... very interesting, gosh!
Also interesting (I have not yet read the book, but I am asking for it for my birthday in Sept.!) is your detailed account of the murder scene, from what I read here. Where did you find such information (about how Dr. Botkin and Trupp died)?  Why can't all books be that way!

If the murders did take place (I am not saying they didn't. I just don't know!) then it would be damn peculiar to find out why the Bolsheviks went door-to-door the next morning looking for Romanovs! I have heard this many times in other publications, from Ekaterinburg residents who claim to have seen Red Guards board their trains and search for "Anastasia" or "Alexei". In "Hunt for the Czar" a man describes how his young son, who resembled Alexei, was snatched by Reds on a train and almost taken away until the father showed them that his son was not lame, and proved it to them by having the boy walk and run-- I guess something they didn't think Alexei was able to do.

So many mysteries, one on top of the other! This has got to be the hardest case of the century to crack!

Here is an easy question: does anyone have a picture of a truck that looks similar to the Fiat that was supposed to have carried the bodies? I always wondered what a 1918-era Fiat truck looked like.

Servants, Friends and Retainers / Re: Leonid Sednev
« on: July 08, 2004, 10:34:52 AM »
If and when you ever find those memoirs, I guarantee you that if you publish it, we'll alk make you rich! ;)

The Final Chapter / Re: Rescue plans?
« on: July 08, 2004, 10:29:03 AM »
Thanks, Penny, for clearing that up!

Odd that she said the commissar was Yurovsky, when we know he didn't enter the picture until June in Ekaterinburg.

Oh well, maybe she was mistaken.

The Final Chapter / Re: Rescue plans?
« on: July 08, 2004, 10:24:22 AM »
Thanks for your input, guys! Yes, the title is "Eyewitness in Tobolsk" and the author is Olga Belisle. Here is a link to the auction:

Having Fun! / Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« on: July 08, 2004, 09:06:06 AM »
Grand Duchess Marie is my faovrite, and always has been. She is the most beautiful girl ever born, and she had soul. I read in Carolly Eckerson's bio of Alexandra that Marie went through a period where she "was very moody and claimed that no one loved her and she was always alone". Poor child! And so sweet. Her beauty is unmatched...and that ancidote made her seem a little more human. No one is as perfect as some historians make her out to be!

The Final Chapter / Re: Photos at Ipatyev House?
« on: July 08, 2004, 08:46:26 AM »
Thanks for the link!

I remember the picture (I forget what book it is in, I'll have to look) of Alix, Tatiana and Olga sitting on the roof at Tobolsk, captioned "The last known picture of Alix and any of her daughters". So I guess the pictures on board the steamer "Rus" is the clearest last photos we have of them. I think the picture of Alexei with his hands up was taken on the steamer, also. (In that dumb Kitchen Boy book, Lenoid Sednev says he took the picture in the Ipatiev house.  ::))

It would be quite a see any photos of the rest of the family, in Tobolsk or Ekaterinburg.

They might exist, but Russia has such ridiculous laws, and it was run by such boneheads for such a long time that anything left concerning the Romanovs is extremely hard to get to, if existing at all.

Hi-- I got the book in the mail today. I was wondering, like you, whether or not to get it. I will tell you this--it's not worth it. There are hardly any photos of the imperial candids, no poses, no vacation shots, what-have-you. It is filled with military type shots and long-distance photos of royal processions..very boring. A dissapointment. Most of the book is about tsars before Nicholas II, anyway!
I recommend Love Power and Tragedy, Tsar: Lost World of N&A, N&A:The Family Albums, and Royal Russia. I am waiting for Romanov Family Albums and Sunset... which I hope will be better!

The Final Chapter / Re: Rescue plans?
« on: July 07, 2004, 07:25:04 PM »
Hi all, I never new there was an active discussion board about the Romanovs! Wow. Having been intrigued by the mytery since I was in 7th grade (i am now a junior in college) I have most of the books about them that you can get, and I've read all at least twice. All I can say is, I STILL have no clue what happened. And no one probably will. It's all so complex. Has anyone else read about the box that Sokolov supposedly had that has "disappeared"? He tried to offer it to the King of England and the Dowager Empress, but they refused it. No one is sure, but it is said to contain some remains from the Koptyaki wood, and there is a rumour that it conatines 'bones from two bodies found farther away from the mass grave, near a bonfire'. In Massie's "The Final Chapter" he discusses this and writes that the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad has it and won't let anyone see it. If this is true,then it may possibly be the end of the speculation about the other two bodies, but who knows?

Also, there is a book on ebay titled "Eyewitness in Tobolsk" supposedly told by a young exiled German princess named "Hulda" who lived near the Governor's Mansion and saw the family while they were in prison. I was wondering if anyone else has heard of this book, and whether or not they know if it is a true account or just another clever act of fiction, like The Kitchen Boy (which angered me when I got to the end!!!)

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