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I find it very strange that we don't come up to a total of 10 children for Isabel I! I thought that there would come some info from some psanish sources about these children

French Royals / Re: King Louis XII
« on: April 02, 2007, 02:49:46 AM »
Anne de Bretagne (1477-1514) was married to Charles VIII and Louis XII. I have read in different articles that she had 8 or 9 children (pregnancies) during her marriage with Louis XII.
I can only find 4 children from this marriage.

With Charles VIII:

-1 Charles Orland °Plessis-lès-Tours 10/10/1492 - + Amboise 16/12/1495
-2 son fils, stillborn,  Courcelles aug 1493
-3 daughter, stiilborn,  mar 1495
-4 Charles °Plessis-lès-Tours 08/09/1496 - + idem 02/10/1496
-5 François °1497 - + Montils-lès-Tours 1497
-6 Anne °born/died + 20/03/1498

With Louis XII:

-7 Claude ° Blois 13/10/1499 - + idem 20/07/1524, reine de France
-8 son °born/died + Blois 21/01/1503
-9 Renée ° Blois 25/10/1510 - + Montargis 12/06/1575, duchesse de Ferrare
-10 son °born/died Blois jan 1512

Who can help me getting this list up to date?

BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Princess Marianne of the Netherlands
« on: December 17, 2005, 04:59:38 AM »
She was thought to be one of the most prettiest princesses of that time.
Among her suitors were Pedro I, Emperor of Brazil.

Iberian Royal Families / Re: Carlos III of Spain and his family
« on: November 09, 2005, 10:52:39 AM »
King CARLOS III Sebastiao of Spain (1759-88), Duke of Parma (1731-35), King of Naples and Sicily (1733-59), *Madrid 20.1.1716, +there 14.12.1788, bur Escorial; m.Gaeta 19.6.1738 Pss Maria Amalia of Saxony (*24.11.1724 +27.9.1760)
B1. FELIPE Antonio Januario Pascual Fernando de Paula, Infant of Spain, Duca di Calabria, excluded from the succession due to his imbecility, *Portici 13.6.1747, +Naples 19.9.1777
B2. CARLOS IV Antonio Pascual Francisco Javier Juan Nepomuceno José Januario Serafin Diego, King of Spain (1788-5.5.1808), *Portici 11/12.11.1748, +Naples 19.1.1819, bur Escorial; m.San Ildefonso 4.9.1765 Pss Maria Luisa of Bourbon-Parma (*9.12.1751 +2.1.1819)
(*Madrid 6.6.1894, +Madrid 14.11.1964)
B3. King FERNANDO IV of the Two Sicilies (1759-1806)+(1815-24), *Naples 18.1.1751, +Naples 4.1.1825; 1m: Caserta 12.5.1768 Archdss Maria Karoline of Austria (*13.8.1752 +8.9.1814); 2m: (morganatically) Palermo 27.11.1814 Donna Lucia Migliaccio Duchessa di Floridia (*Syracuse 19.7.1770, +Naples 26.4.1826), for his descendants see HERE
B4. GABRIEL Antonio Francisco Javier Juan Nepomuceno José Serafin Pascual Salvador, Infant of Spain, *Portici 11.5.1752, +Escorial 23.11.1788, bur there; m.Vila Vicosa 8.5./Aranjuez 23.5.1785 Infanta Maria Ana Victoria of Portugal (*Queluz 15.12.1768, +Escorial 2.11.1788, bur there) B5. ANTONIO Pascual Francisco Javier Juan Nepomuceno Aniello Raimundo Sylvestre, Infant of Spain, *Caserta 31.12.1755, +Madrid 20.4.1817, bur Escorial; m.Madrid 25.8.1795 his niece, Infanta Amelia of Spain (*9.1.1779 +22.7.1798)
B6. FRANCISCO Javier Antonio Pascual Bernardo Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno Aniello Julian, Infant of Spain, *Caserta 17.2.1757, +Aranjuez 10.4.1771, bur Escorial
B7. MARIA ISABEL Antonieta de Padua Francisca Januaria Francisca de Paula Juana Nepomucena Josefina Onesifora, Infanta of Spain, *Portici 6.9.1740, +Naples 1.11.1742, bur there
B8. MARIA JOSEFA Antonieta, Infanta of Spain, *Portici 20.1.1742, +Naples 3.4.1742, bur there
B9. MARIA ISABEL Ana , Infanta of Spain, *Naples 30.4.1743, +Naples 5.3.1749, bur there
B10. MARIA JOSEFA Carmela, Infanta of Spain, *Gaeta 6.7.1744, +Madrid 8.12.1801, bur Escorial
B11. MARIA LUISA, Infanta of Spain, *Portici 24.11.1745, +Vienna 15.5.1792, bur Vienna; m.Innsbruck 4.8.1765 Emperor Leopold II of Austria (*5.5.1747 +1.3.1792)
B12. MARIA TERESA Antonieta Francisca Javier Francisca de Paula Serafina, Infanta of Spain, *Naples 29.11.1749, +Portici 30.4.1750, bur Naples
B13. MARIA ANA, Infanta of Spain, *Portici 3.7.1754, +Portici 11.5.1755, bur Naples

Margaret did get laid by Juan de Trastamara. When he died in 1497 she was so shocked that she miscarried. It was a son of 6/7 months growth.
Juan and Margaret did love eachother and during their marriage their was a lot af action in their royal bed.

Did Queen Isabel have any stillborn sons or sons who died young? Any miscarriages?


August 12, 1564: She miscarried twin girls of three moths of pregnancy.

October 3, 1568: She gave birth to a baby girl of five months of pregnancy. The baby was born alive and was quickly baptised with the name Juana. She died only an hour and a half after. Isabel died the same day.

Isabel also had a miscarriage in 1562, almost bled to death by the Spanish doctors. An Italian doctor saved her.

Iberian Royal Families / Re: Queens of Aragon
« on: October 30, 2005, 07:00:39 AM »
By the way, there are some theories about these two women:
1. they (or one of them) belonged to the house of Burgundy
2. they (or one of them) belonged to the house of Aquitaine
3. they (or one of them) belonged to the house of Este

These theories are just wild guessing.

Iberian Royal Families / Re: Queens of Aragon
« on: October 30, 2005, 06:48:00 AM »
Both Alfonso VI, king of Castille and Pedro I, king of Aragon had a wife from 'Italy': Pedro had Bertha (married about 1097) and Alfonso VI had Beatrice (married about 1108).
Both men had another thing in common: they were both married to two (half)sisters with the same name Agnes of Aquitaine, both daughters of Guillaume VIII, duke of Aquitaine. The first Agnes (abt 1072-1097) and was married to Pedro I. The second Agnes (1059- after 1111) was married/divorced to Alfonso VI.
A daughter of Guillaume V of Aquitaine, by his wife Agnes of Burgundy, was named Beatrice. Agnes of Aguitaine, the widow of Ramiro I of Aragon,
remarried to Pietro of Savoy. Is this possible that both Berta (a sister of Pietro was named so) and Beatrice (named after a cousin of Agnes) were daughters of this couple?

Iberian Royal Families / Re: Monarchs of Navarre
« on: October 23, 2005, 08:56:20 AM »
F1. Carlos, Pr of Viana, *Penafiel 29.5.1421, +Barcelona 23.9.1461; m.Olite 30.9.1439 Agnes of Cleves (*24.2.1422, +Olite 6.4.1448)
G1. [by Maria de Armendariz] Ana de Navarra, +1477; m.1471 Luis de la Cerda, Duque de Medinaceli (+1501)
G2. [by Brianda de Vaca] Felip de Navarra, Archbishop of Palermo, *1456, +k.a.Granada 1488
G3. [by Cappa N] Juan Alonso de Navarra, Bp of Huesca, *Palermo 1459, +Huesca 1529
H1. [illegitimate] Carlos d'Aragona
F2. Infta Juana, *1423, +Olite 22.8.1425
F3. Blanca, Pss of Viana, *Olite 9.6.1424, +of poisoning at Orthez 2.12.1464; m.Valladolid 16.9.1440 (annulled 1453) King Enrique IV of Castile
F4. [1m.] Queen LEONOR of Navarre (1464-79), *2.9.1425, +Tudela 12.2.1479; m.30.7.1436 Cte Gaston IV de Foix et de Bigorre (*1425 +25.7.1472)

Cte Gaston IV de Foix et de Bigorre, Vcte de Bearn, *1425, +Roncevalles 25.7.1472; m.30.7.1436 Queen Leonor I of Navarre (*1425 +12.2.1479)
D1. Gaston, Prince of Viana, *1444, +Libourne 23.11.1470, bur St.André de Bordeaux; m.Lescar 7.3.1461 Madeleine of France (*1.12.1443, +24.1.1495)
E1. King FRANCISCO I PHOEBO (Phoebus) of Navarre (1479-83), *1466, +Pamplona 30.1.1483
E2. Queen CATALINA of Navarre (1483-1517), Cts de Foix, etc, *1470, +Mont-de-Marsan 12.2.1517, bur Lescar; m.Orthez 14.7.1484 Jean d'Albret (*ca 1469 +14.6.1516)
D2. Pierre de Foix, Cardinal, Archbishop of Arles, *Pau 7.2.1449, +Rome 10.8.1490
D3. Jean de Foix, Cte d'Etampes, Vcte de Narbonne, *after 1450, +Etampes 5.11.1500; m.1476 Marie d'Orleans (*1457 +1493)
E1. Gaston, Cte de Foix et d'Etampes, Duc de Nemours, *Mazéres 10.12.1489, +k.a.Ravenna 11.4.1512
E2. Germaine de Foix, *after 1490, +Liria 15.10.1538; 1m: Blois 19.10.1505 King Fernando II of Aragon (*1452 +1516); 2m: 17.6.1519 Johann of Brandenburg-Ansbach (+1525); 3m: Seville VIII.1526 Fernando d'Aragon, Duca di Calabria (+1550)
D4. Jacques de Foix, Cde de Cortes et de Montfort, *after 1470, +1500; 1m: Tafala 28.3.1485 (div 1494) Ana de Peralta; 2m: after 22.2.1494 Cataline, dau.of Luis de Beaumont, Cde de Lerin
E1. Jean de Foix, Abbot at St-Volusien-de-Foix
E2. [illegitimate] Fréderic de Foix, sn d'Almeneches, +1537; m.Françoise de Silly
F1. Jeanne; m.Armand de Gontaut (+after 28.9.1591)
E3. [illegitimate] Jaime de Foix, Bp of Lescar, +1535
D4. Marie de Foix, Carcassonne after 1452, +Casale 1467; m.19.1.1465 Mgve Guillaume VIII of Montferrat (*1420 +1483)
D5. Jeanne de Foix, *after 1454, +Pau after 10.2.1476; m.Lectoure VIII.1469 Cte Jean V d'Armagnac (*1420 +1473)
D6. Marguerite de Foix, *after 1458, +Clisson/Nantes 15.5.1486, bur Nantes; m.Clisson 27.6.1471 Duc François II de Bretagne (*1435 +9.9.1488)
D7. Catherine de Foix, *after 1460, +before 1494; m.1469 Gaston II de Foix, Cte de Candale et de Benauge (+25.3.1500)
D8. Isabel de Foix, *after 1462; m.Guy, Sire de Pons
D9. Leonor de Foix, *after 1466, +young

Jean d'Albret, King of Navarre (1483-1516), *1469, +Pau/Moneins 17.6.1516, bur Lascar; m.Orthez 14.7.1484 Catherine de Foix, Queen of Navarre (*1470 +12.2.1517)
F1. Andres Febo of Navarre, *Pamplona 14.10.1501, +Sanguesa 17.4.1503
F2. a son, *and +1500
F3. King Enrique II of Navarre (1517-55), *Sanguesa 24.4.1503, +Hagetmau 29.5.1555; m.St-Germain-en-Laye 24.1.1527 Marguerite d'Angouleme (*11.4.1492 +21.12.1549)
G1. Jean of Navarre, *after 1530, +young
G2. Queen Juana III of Navarre (1562-72), Pss de Bearn, Dss d'Albret, Cts de Foix, etc, *Pau 7.1.1528, +murdered Paris 9.6.1572, bur Vendôme; 1m: 13.7.1541 (div.1546) William, Duke of Cleves, Julich and Berg; 2m: Moulins 20.10.1548 Antoine de Bourbon, Duc de Vendôme (*22.4.1518 +10.11.1562)
F4. Buenaventura of Navarre, *Pamplona 14.7.1505, +1510/11
F5. Martin of Navarre, *after 1506, +Sanguesa after 1512
F6. Francis of Navarre, *1508, +Salvatuerra de Bearn after 28.9.1512
F7. Charles of Navarre, *Pau 12.12.1510, +in prison in Naples IX.1528
F8. Anne of Navarre, *Pau 19.5.1492, +Pau after 15.8.1532
F9. Magdalene of Navarre, *Olite 29.3.1494, +Medina del Campo V.1504
F10. Catherine of Navarre, Abbess of La Trinite de Caen, *Pamplona 1495, +Caen XI.1532
F11. Joanna of Navarre, *and +Pamplona 1496
F12. Quiterrie of Navarre, Abbess of Montvilliers, +there 1536
F13. Isabelle of Navarre, *1513/14; 1534 Vcte Rene I de Rohan (+1552)
F14. [illegitimate] Pierre d'Albret, Bp of Comminges, +after 1.3.1568

Iberian Royal Families / Re: Kings of Castile
« on: October 22, 2005, 11:08:43 AM »
Okay thank you for sharing. But i have my doubt on these dates since no other (professional, academic) source mentions them.
And as it seems González, Julio is the expert on Alfonso VIII.

Iberian Royal Families / Re: Kings of Castile
« on: October 22, 2005, 08:50:45 AM »
What is your source? I see you have even have the day of births besides the birthyear and so far i have not seen this in any source, like Europaische Stamtafeln.
González, Julio in his book 'El reino de Castilla en la época de Alfonso VIII' did a full research and doens't have e.g. the exact year of birth for Leonor (he estimated the year as 1200) and Constanza he estimated the year as 1195).

Iberian Royal Families / Re: Monarchs of Navarre
« on: October 22, 2005, 03:57:07 AM »
Blanche was first intended to marry the just widowed Jean II. son of Philippe VI.
The story goes that when Philippe VI saw Blanche he decided to marry her himself. Poor Blanche, forced to marry a man, nearly 40 years her senior, he was ca 56 and she was 16 when they got married. Philippe died after a year leaving Blanche with child. This child Jeanna-Blanche was born posthumous in 1351 and died in 1371 from the plague on her way to be married to Juan I, king of Aragon.

BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Philippe of Flanders and his family
« on: October 21, 2005, 12:15:29 PM »
Clémentine was in love with Baudouin. This love was not mutual. Baudouin didn't love her that much. After his death Clémentine was devastated.

The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Henrietta Maria, Queen of the Cavaliers
« on: October 21, 2005, 03:08:42 AM »
Queen Henrietta Maria (November 25, 1609 – September 10, 1669) was Queen Consort of England, Scotland and Ireland (June 13, 1625 - January 30, 1649) through her marriage to Charles I. The U.S. state of Maryland (in Latin, "Terra Mariae") was so named in her honour by Cæcilius Calvert, son of George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore.

Born as Henriette-Marie de Bourbon, Princess of France, she was the youngest daughter of Henry IV of France and Maria of Medici and the sister of the future Louis XIII of France. Her father was killed before she was one; her mother was banished in 1617.

She was born at the Louvre Palace and brought up as a Roman Catholic. This made her an unpopular choice of wife for the English King, whom she married by proxy on May 11, 1625, shortly after his accession to the throne. They were married in person at St Augustine's Church, Canterbury, Kent, on June 13, 1626. However, her religion made it impossible for her to be crowned with her husband in an Anglican service. Initially their relationship was cold. Henrietta Maria had brought many servants with her from France, all of them Catholic, and all costing the King a lot of money to maintain. It is said that eventually Charles sent this retinue home, only allowing his teenage bride to retain her chaplain and two ladies in waiting. Finding her sadly watching the retinue depart for France at the window of a palace, Charles angrily and forcibly dragged his wayward queen away. Charles had intended to marry a daughter of Philip III of Spain, but a mission to Spain in 1623 had failed. Every time the two would meet, they would start arguing, and would separate, not seeing each other for weeks. They would meet again, and have to separate again, because they could not stop arguing.

Henrietta Maria (c. 1633) by Anthony van Dyck.Henrietta Maria was not close to George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham, the King's favourite. Buckingham was murdered in August 1628, probably with the backing of Queen Henrietta and her French faction at the Royal court. After this her relationship with the King improved and they finally found deep bonds of love and affection. Her refusal to give up her Catholic faith alienated her from many of the people and certain powerful courtiers such as William Laud, Archbishop of Canterbury and Thomas Wentworth, Earl of Strafford. Charles, on the other hand, had definite leanings towards Catholicism, and, once he had reached maturity, did not share his father's sexual ambivalence. Henrietta Maria gave birth to ten children, six of whom survived into adulthood, and also had several miscarriages. Their surviving children were Charles, Prince of Wales (b. 1630), Mary, Princess Royal (later Princess of Orange) (b. 1631), James, Duke of York and Albany (b. 1633), Elizabeth (b. 1636), Anne (b. 1637), Henry, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1640), and Henrietta Anne, Duchess of Orleans (b. 1644).

Henrietta Maria increasingly took part in national affairs as the country moved towards open conflict through the 1630s. She allied with Puritan courtiers to deflect a diplomatic approach to Spain and sought a coup to pre-empt the Parliamentarians. As war approached she was active in seeking funds and support for her husband, but her concentration on Catholic sources like the Pope and the French angered many in England and hindered Charles' efforts.

In August 1642, when the conflict began, she was in Europe. She continued to raise money for the Royalist cause, and did not return to England until early 1643. She landed at Bridlington in Yorkshire with troops and arms, and joined the Royalist forces in northern England, making her headquarters at York. She remained with the army in the north for some months before rejoining the King at Oxford. The collapse of the king's position following Scottish intervention on the side of parliament, and his refusal to accept stringent terms for a settlement led her to flee to France with her sons in July 1644. Charles was executed in 1649, leaving her almost destitute.

She settled in Paris, appointing as her chancellor the eccentric Sir Kenelm Digby. She angered both Royalists in exile and her eldest son by attempting to convert her youngest son, Henry, to Catholicism. She returned to England following the Restoration in October 1660 and lived as 'Dowager Queen' at Somerset House in London until 1665 when she returned permanently to France. Her financial problems were resolved by a generous pension. She founded a covent at Chaillot, where she settled.

Henrietta Maria died at Château de Colombes, and was buried in the Royal tombs at Saint Denis Basilica near Paris.


The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Henrietta Maria, Queen of the Cavaliers
« on: October 20, 2005, 01:45:20 PM »
Henriette Marie bore Charles I nine children and had a few miscarriages. Anyone more details about when these miscarriages took place?
So far i know, Charles I loved Henriette Marie dearly and he never took a mistress.

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