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Russian Noble Families / Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky

« on: April 16, 2016, 11:53:16 AM »

I am searching for:

1. A certificate for the divorce of Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky from Olga Alexandrovna Basilevsky.

2. A certificate for the death of Olga Alexandrovna Basilevsky.

3. A certificate for the marriage between Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky and Madeleine Julie Thérèse Moulin.

Can anyone please help me?

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution

« on: April 13, 2016, 01:12:22 PM »

The Russian Revolution hit the Russian Princely family Lopukhin-Demidov of the House of Demidov hard. From being a wealthy industrial family they became poor. One woman in the family was the maid of honor Vera Demidoff. She was born 13 June 1871 as a daughter of Lieutnant-General Nikolai Petrovitch Demidoff, created The 1st Prince Lopukhin-Demidov in 1876, and his wife Olga Valerianovna Stolipin. Vera Demidoff was killed by the Bolsheviks during the Russian revolution in 1919.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution

« on: April 13, 2016, 12:42:02 PM »

Prince Mikhail Sergeevich Lopuhin, arrested and shot in the Summer of 1918 in Moscow by the ChKa.

He was not at all a Prince. The Russian princely family Lopukhin became extinct already in 1873. This when His Serene Highness Prince Paul Petrovitch Lopukhin died without legitimate issue.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Benckendorff country house

« on: April 04, 2016, 04:12:55 AM »

Sophie Petrovna de Beckendorff née Shuvalov was the wife of Ambassador Alexander Benckendorff.

They were the parents of Graf Peter von Benckendorff. He was married to Jelena Dmitrievna Naryshkina. Do you have any information about them?

Jelena Dmitrievna Naryshkina was an older sister of Natalia Dmitrievna Naryshkina. She was the grandmother of the present Prince Lopukhin-Demidov.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky

« on: April 04, 2016, 02:44:33 AM »

Marjatta Moulin belongs to the still existing Russian Princely family of Belosselsky-Belozersky. She lives in Helsinki in Finland.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov

« on: April 04, 2016, 02:17:38 AM »

Does anyone here know if The 4th Prince Lopukhin-Demidov live also in Russia or some other country than here in Finland?

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov

« on: March 04, 2016, 03:25:19 AM »

The Princely family of San Donato of the House of Demidov is extinct.

What interests me is the still existing Princely family of Lopukhin-Demidov of the House of Demidov.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: List of the Princely families of Russia

« on: January 14, 2016, 06:04:12 AM »

Thank you!

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Russian Noble Families / Re: List of the Princely families of Russia

« on: January 10, 2016, 05:12:34 AM »

Could this thread be marked as sticky?

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov

« on: December 26, 2015, 02:57:17 PM »

The agnatic line of the Demidov Princes of San Donato went extinct with the death of the 4th Prince in 1943. I'm not sure if this means that the Counts Demidovs also are extinct

There has never existed any Counts of the House of Demidov. Those that did not have a princely title were and still are untitled Russian nobility. That is why both Nikolai Demidoff and Natalia Demidoff are just untitled Russian lesser nobility.

The San Donato line was granted a grand-ducal Tuscan comital title, a few years before they were made Tuscan princes. So I guess that one too has died out.

Yes but that was for the San Donato line. I was thinking about the line of the House of Demidoff to which the present day Prince Lopukhin-Demidov belong. They have never been granted a Russian comital title. Therefore the son and daughter of His Serene Highness The 4th Prince Lopukhin-Demidov are untitled Russian nobility.

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Russian Noble Families / List of the Princely families of Russia

« on: September 11, 2015, 03:57:24 AM »

You can find a list of the Princely families of Russia on the Russian Wikipedia:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%BA%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov

« on: August 10, 2015, 02:42:03 PM »

Thank you for your information. I have now updated the genealogical information about the present day Princely family of Lopukhin-Demidov. You can find it here on Paul Theroffs An Online Gotha: http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/demidov.html

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov

« on: August 01, 2015, 05:37:23 AM »

The agnatic line of the Demidov Princes of San Donato went extinct with the death of the 4th Prince in 1943. I'm not sure if this means that the Counts Demidovs also are extinct

The San Donato title and line of the House of Demidov is sadly extinct. There has never existed any Counts of the House of Demidov. Those that did not have a princely title were and still are untitled Russian nobility. That is why both Nikolai Demidoff and Natalia Demidoff are just untitled Russian lesser nobility.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov

« on: July 30, 2015, 02:16:07 PM »

I agree. You should write her, it will be interesting to know.

When researching the matter I came across some site denouncing the Lopukhin-Demidovs as "having deserted Russia", i.e. moved to Finland. (It said ridiculous things like they now had "unpronounceable Finnish names", i.e. Yrjö?) May it have something to do with participation on the Finnish side in WW2, i.e. fighting against Soviet Russia as an ally of Nazi Germany? If so, I don't think GD Maria as a Vladimirovichi should be the first to cast stones....

Where did you read that? Yrjö is the Finnish form for George. I think it does not really matter what Grand Duchess MARIA of Russia think because she is not the Head of the Imperial House of Russia in my opinion.

the senior line of the Demidov princely family itself is extinct, and the junior Demidovs thus have their own agnatic title to carry.

What do you mean?

I'd rather think Tammipuu was chosen because it sounds somewhat similar to Demidov.

I am skeptical to that idea because to me Tammipuu and Demidoff do not sound the same in Finnish.

I was recently in Finland

Great. Were do you otherwise live? How did you enjoy Finland?

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov

« on: July 29, 2015, 02:57:18 PM »

the Lopukhin name is a quite ordinary Russian plant-based surname, derived from лопух / lopukh - burdock or arctium.

Can the surname Lopukhin mean an Oak? The 2nd Prince Lopukhin-Demidov had a son Pjotr Demidov in Saint Petersburg on 31 August 1916. He changed his surname to the Finnish surname Tammipuu. His issue are surnamned Tammipuu. Observe that the surname is written Tammipuu and not Tammipoo as can be seen at An Online Gotha by Paul Theroff: http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/demidov.html Tammipuu is a Finnish word. In a direct translation to Finnish it is "Oak Tree". It would be interesting because then they use the Russian surname Lopukhin in a Finnish translation and not the surname Demidoff as the Princely family of Lopukhin-Demidov do.