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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov
« on: July 29, 2015, 02:43:57 PM »
Interesting how this family seems to have been caught up in the current Russian succession quarrel:

It would be interesting to know why Grand Duchess MARIA of Russia do not acknowledge the Lopukhin-Demidov family of the House of Demidov. I have been thinking about writing to her office and ask why this is the case. What do you think? I do not see any reason for not accepting the legitimizy of The 4th Prince Lopukhin-Demidov.

I recommend a look at the genealogies of Lopukhin-Demidov at An Online Gotha by Paul Theroff: http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/demidov.html I have sent him corrections about the present family and the parents of The 4th Prince Lopukhin-Demidov.

The Princes Lopukhin are listed as extant, although there never were any standard Princes Lopukhin before the elevation of one line to Most Serene Princes. They were just boyars / nobles and other lines continued to flourish as such, also after the extinction of the agnatic Serene Princes. One of them remained in Russia after the Revolution: Oleg Mikhailovich Lopukhin (1924 - 1993) was a Captain in the Soviet Navy and Head of Arkhangelsk Naval College untill 1985. From 1992 he was a Full member of the Russian Nobility Assembly. His son, "Prince" Vadim Olegovich, with a background in Soviet medicine, is apparantly a leading member of the Russian Nobility Association since 1990 and a close collaborator of Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna, acting as "Chief Coordinator of the All-Highest Visits to Russia".

Since this line of the Lopukhins never was princely, it must have been GD MV who has granted him the title he sports and is credited with in various press releases connected to GD MV. Was her reasoning perhaps that since the Princes Demidov of San Donato are extinct in the male line since 1943, the Demidovs in Finland can now revert to being merely Princes Demidov? And that remaining untitled Lopukhins can be raised to the princely rank?

The Russian Princely House of Lopukhin became extinct when His Serene Highness Prince Paul Petrovitch Lopukhin died without legitimate issue in 1873. The title Prince Lopukhin was then handed over to the family Demidov in accordance to primogeniture as Prince Lopukhin-Demidov and the qualification "Serene Highness" by Imperial Ukase 21 January 1876.

The 3rd Prince Lopukhin-Demidov died in New Hampshire 28 September 1995. The office of Grand Duchess MARIA of Russia do not know or ignores that his younger brother Aleksander Demidoff had a son Yrjö ONNI Johannes Demidoff in Helsinki on 23 April 1936. He is the present Prince Lopukhin-Demidov. I seek especially a picture of him so if anyone has a picture then please forward it to me. We are distantly related to each other. Thank you!

When The 3rd Prince Lopukhin-Demidov died in 1995 Grand Duchess MARIA of Russia created a new Prince Lopukhin. I do not give much credit to that as she is not a reigning monarch.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov
« on: July 25, 2015, 06:01:21 AM »
Does anyone here know anything about this family?

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Lopukhin-Demidov
« on: July 15, 2015, 03:27:29 PM »
I can't seem to find a picture of His Serene Highness The 4th Prince Lopukhin-Demidov anywhere! :( Does anyone here have a picture of him or know where I could find one? You can also send it to me on a Personal Message. I am distantly related to him.

Thank you so much!

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Russian Noble Families / Ignatiev
« on: May 05, 2015, 09:46:18 AM »
On 12 December 1877 Ignatiev were created Counts of the Russian Empire. Does anyone know more about the family of Ignatiev? Do they still exist? I would like to know if they are represented in Finland.

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Russian Noble Families / Lopukhin-Demidov
« on: April 13, 2015, 08:25:56 AM »
The Russian Princely family Lopukhin-Demidov of the House of Demidov still exist today. I do not understand why Grand Duchess MARIA of Russia has marked this family extinct here: http://geroldia.ru/?lang=rus&id=22. His Serene Highness The 4th Prince Lopukhin-Demidov is Onni Demidoff. He is a Finn born in Helsinki 23 April 1936 and still live here in Helsinki and Finland.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Belosselsky Belozersky
« on: March 09, 2015, 02:32:26 PM »
Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky was first married in Saint Petersburg in 1898 with Olga Alexandrovna Basilevsky. According to Almanach Saint Petersburg 1912 on page 150 they divorced before 1912. Do you have a source stating when they divorced or when she died? I wonder if Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky actually married Madeleine Julie Thérèse Moulin (Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky). Do you know? When and where was this marriage in that case contracted? According to Paul Theroff, who basis his information on Jacques Ferrand, "apparently this second marriage was contracted without confirmation of any death of, or divorce from, the first wife, and thus the children bore their mother’s surname". The question is therefore if the children with Madeleine Moulin are actually de iure legitimate. My hypothesis is that they married and that their descendants in the agnatic line is therefore also de iure legitimate. I need of course evidence to prove or disprove my hypothesis. I believe there are other reasons behind the change of the surname Belosselsky-Belozersky to Moulin than what Jacques Ferrand thought. I wonder if anyone here knows why the brothers Prince Georges Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky and Prince Paul Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky changed their surname to Moulin when their mother Madeleine Moulin changed her surname to Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky? The surname was changed from Belosselsky Belozersky when the the family moved to Finland in 1922.

Have searched Wikipedia yet?

Here is a search that brings up quite a bit of information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Belosselsky+Belozersky&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1

And this link has information on "Moulin." The first links may have more info. too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belosselsky-Belozersky_family

Regards,

Katya


I have of course studied those sites.

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Russian Noble Families / Belosselsky Belozersky
« on: March 09, 2015, 12:59:23 PM »
Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky was first married in Saint Petersburg in 1898 with Olga Alexandrovna Basilevsky. According to Almanach Saint Petersburg 1912 on page 150 they divorced before 1912. Do you have a source stating when they divorced or when she died? I wonder if Prince Esper Constantinovitch Belosselsky Belozersky actually married Madeleine Julie Thérèse Moulin (Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky). Do you know? When and where was this marriage in that case contracted? According to Paul Theroff, who basis his information on Jacques Ferrand, "apparently this second marriage was contracted without confirmation of any death of, or divorce from, the first wife, and thus the children bore their mother’s surname". The question is therefore if the children with Madeleine Moulin are actually de iure legitimate. My hypothesis is that they married and that their descendants in the agnatic line is therefore also de iure legitimate. I need of course evidence to prove or disprove my hypothesis. I believe there are other reasons behind the change of the surname Belosselsky-Belozersky to Moulin than what Jacques Ferrand thought. I wonder if anyone here knows why the brothers Prince Georges Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky and Prince Paul Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky changed their surname to Moulin when their mother Madeleine Moulin changed her surname to Madeleine de Tsélébrovsky? The surname was changed from Belosselsky Belozersky when the the family moved to Finland in 1922.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Beloselsky-Belozersky
« on: March 09, 2015, 11:56:20 AM »
I am from Helsinki and Finland. At the moment I am very interested about the Russian Orthodox Princely House Belosselsky Belozersky. I am especially interested about the branch named Moulin. I am therefore searching for more information about them with research in the original sources. Do you know about this House?

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