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The Windsors / Re: Arthur & Louise, Duke and Duchess of Connaught
« on: March 15, 2012, 12:52:17 PM »
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/funeral-of-the-late-duchess-of-connaught-1917

Hope this works, never done this before. From British Pathe, newsreel of The Duchess's funeral. The first two ladies out of the chapel after the King's sons , could they possibly be Princess Maud and Princess Louise, Duchess of Fife? If so, possibly the other woman in the first row is Princess Victoria.

The next woman out on the left looks to me a bit older, possibly the Duchess of Argyll, as her figure was still trim.

Defiinitley not another person on the other side of Prince Arthur, so if the photo I have is captioned correctly, I can't figure out where Princess Patricia is. To me both she and Princess Arthur should be with The Duke and Prince Arthur right behind the casket.

Unfortunatley it stops before you can really see any of the next group of woman, to see figure wise if Helena, Beatrice and Helen Albany are there. As mentioned they were on the stout side by this time.

Does anyone know who deicedes who goes where in this type of procession? I'm curious as if the one lady is indeed The Duchess of Argyll behind the Kings sons, why her other two sisters wouldn't be in that grouping also. I know Arthur was closer to Louise, but still.

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The Windsors / Re: Arthur & Louise, Duke and Duchess of Connaught
« on: March 14, 2012, 02:15:24 PM »
My pleasure.

According the caption it is Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught, Princess Arthur followed by Queen Mary, King George and Queen Alexandra. No one else is mentioned. It seems to be 3 of the sons of King George and Queen Mary in the next row. Oddly, no mention of Princess Patricia and it doesn't look like anyone is on the other side of Prince Arthur. The original picture isn't quite clear enough for me to identify any of the ladies that follow, even the ones whose veils don't seem as dark.

I'm guessing that all of her sister-in-laws and neices that were in England at the time would have attended.

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The Windsors / Re: Leopold and Helen, the Duke and Duchess of Albany
« on: March 13, 2012, 05:39:46 PM »
Isn't that the book by Janet Ashton?

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The Windsors / Re: Arthur & Louise, Duke and Duchess of Connaught
« on: March 13, 2012, 05:35:03 PM »
Members of the Royal Family following the Duchess of Connaughts casket after her funeral service.


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According to Marie Louise's memoirs she had six bridesmaids, Edith Ward, Lady Elizabeth Dawson, Lady Esther Gore, Lady Beatrice Egerton, Lady Beatrice Bridgeman and Lady Sophie Cadogan . As only five are shown here not sure who is who.

They wore off-white silk dresses and wore wreaths of Marechal ney roses in their hair and carried shower boquests of the same roses.

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Victoria Eugenia of Battenberg, Queen of Spain
« on: December 12, 2011, 06:34:45 PM »
"Ena, the novel". Dreadful book with some good images.

Eddie, yup, you re right ;-). Those were the first pictures of Ena as Queen of Spain

Thank you.



Princess Beatrice and Ena upon Beatrice's arrival in Spain in April 1908.

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Victoria Eugenia of Battenberg, Queen of Spain
« on: December 09, 2011, 06:41:55 PM »
From Ena s book by Pilar Eyre (awful book with awesome images!)

Do you have the name of the book?

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Balkan Royal Families / Re: Queen Maria of Romania, Part 3
« on: November 10, 2011, 03:52:30 PM »
I'm guessing from the top picture - Marie,?,Victoria Melita,Margaret,Nicholas,?, and Ernie. Girls in front Elisabeth and one of the Grand Duchesses?

Does anyone know if this is right?   

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The Windsors / Re: Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone
« on: November 01, 2011, 04:35:04 PM »


photo of Alice from the sitting, and it looks as if it is a heart on the chain. If this photo is from around the time of her engagement, possibly a gift from her fiancee?

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The Windsors / Re: Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone
« on: October 17, 2011, 06:34:54 PM »
Great picture Eddie.

I'm guessing beings the Duchess of Coburg is not in the picture it would be sometime from the Teck engagement and prior to the Coburg engagment. Both ladies seem to be in black. Maybe someone knows also if they were in mourning for someone around the time of the Teck engagement.

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The Windsors / Re: Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone
« on: September 05, 2011, 05:42:52 PM »

*Alice Mary in apparently in the crowd somewhere, can anyone spot her?


It looks to me as if the first row from the right is Prince Bernhard, Princess Juiliana, Queen Wilhelmina, Earl Athlone and then Princess Alice. Not sure about the children.

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Are you referring to the book by Elisabeth Kehoe?

If so, it reiterates the story of the Duchess claiming they had no fun until they met Leonie.  Also states about Leonie sustaining her friendship with the Duchess who admired her and sought her advice, and upon Leonie suggesting she break up the Connaughts it was the Duchess who wrote her and begged her to remain their friend. To me, not the actions of a woman who is unhappy with her husbands relationship with Leonie.


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I've heard/read two different versions of which parent was responsible for her marrying later, besides the war. The Duchess didn't want her to marry someone not considered her equal and she had to wait until after her mother's death to do so. The other version has the Duke not wanting her to marry for the same reasons, but promising the Duchess on her deathbed that he would not oppose the marriage.

As to the Duchess being unhappy with her husband's affair with Leonie Leslie, I think it was in Noble Falklands bio of the Duke, the Duchess claimed she and the Duke never had any fun until Leonie came along. Doesn't sound like she was to unhappy. According to the same book she and the Duke were very happy and had a passionate life together.

The Duchess's supposedly less than good teeth (I believe mentioned in one of the books of letters from QV to Vicky) could have made her hesitant to smile for the camera. Not to mention it doesn't really seem to be the norm of that time to smile for picture sittings.

Not sure how the Swedish marriage would have made her unhappy, if we are to believe she didn't want the Ramsay marriage based on his "lower" standing. Her eldest married a future King. Should have made her very happy, if she was so status conscious.

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On the other side of the coin Clemence what is the evidence that Sophie was pro-german. Surely, not just that she was a Prussian Princess and her husbands admiration of Germany?


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The Windsors / Re: Christmas traditions in Queen Victoria's family
« on: January 20, 2011, 09:33:50 AM »
Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone born Princess Alice of Albany. Her father was Queen Victoria's 4th son Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany 1853-1884. At the time Princess Alice is talking about the family would have been her mother Princess Helen, Duchess of Albany and her brother Prince Charles Edward, Duke of Albany later Duke of Coburg.

This is just a guess, but I think the only tree that wasn't real was the rotating one. The one on the left does appear in both pictures, so I'm guessing that is the rotating one.

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