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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Auguste von Senarclens - Grancy

« on: February 13, 2008, 03:55:12 AM »

I was told by a reliable source that he was buried in Jugenheim, but there is no Grave/Tombstone left to visit.

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The Wittlesbachs / Re: Wittelsbachs pics.

« on: January 13, 2008, 12:24:18 PM »

I am looking for pictures of early Wittelsbachs:

Christian III (1674-1735) and his wife Caroline of Nassau Sarrbruck

Maria-Anne Camasse, wife of Christian IV
(What0s the story behind her ? I guess she was a huguenot commoner who got the eye of Christian IV.
A most catholic king marring a commoner huguenot ? )

Karl II of Wittelsbach (1746-95) and his sister Maria Amalia, queen of Saxony

Thamks in advance.

Christian IV von Zweibrücken was a Duke and not a king and his family was protestant. I don't know when, but he became catholic, which, really upset his mother Karoline. His brother Friedrich Michael also was babtized protestant, but also convertet, thats why he took the name Michael. (which the adding of the Name Michael to Friedrich - I'm not 100% sure on this, I read it a while ago, can't remember where. I don't remember the source, but I read it. But sometimes, as you know, not all the sources are correct!! )


Christina IV and Marianne had 7 children

- Christian Graf von Forbach, Freiherr von ZW * 1752 ZW + 1817 Munich

- Wilhelm (Philipp)  Graf von Forbach, Freiherr von ZW  * 1754 ZW   + 1807 Munich


-  M. Anna Karoline * 1756      + ??

- Karl Ludwig  * 1759    +1763


- Daughter  *+ 1761


- Elisabeth Friederike  *1766  +1790


- Julius Maximilian  +1771   +1773



If you can read german - there is a book called "Der Herzog und die Tänzerin" written by a decendant of Christian and Marianne Forbach, Adalbert, Prinz von Bayern. You'll find a picture of Christian III. and his wife Karoline in this book

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The Wittlesbachs / Re: Max II Josef

« on: December 30, 2007, 05:53:04 AM »

I couldn't find the painting you are talking about! Can you post a link? 

There is no link to a picture. I saw 2 portraits in the Stadtmuseum in Zweibrücken a few days ago and a portrait of him on television on a documentation in 2006 "200 years Kingdom of Bavaria."

I don't have any books about him and his family, only about his aunt Caroline of Hessen-Darmstadt (Große Landgräfin). His Father Friedrich Michael of Zweibrücken was a brother of Caroline.

Well anyway, maybe someone could help to solve the mystery about the earring!!

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The Wittlesbachs / Re: Max I Josef

« on: December 29, 2007, 01:40:09 PM »

Yes I meant Max I. Joseph!!! I think I was reading to much that day about Max and his Brother Karl II (!!) August .
Maybe the FA could change that mistake in the topic.

You are right, Max I. Joseph always appears in his portraits more like a pirate not a monarch, at least on those I have seen. 

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The Wittlesbachs / Max II Josef

« on: December 28, 2007, 03:39:00 PM »

I'd like to know why King Max II Josef wore an earing.  I saw paintings of him wearing  an earing either on the left ear or the right ear,
so he must have had 2 piercings.

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)

« on: September 17, 2007, 10:29:00 AM »

I noticed the dates by look through the book "Großherzog Ernst Ludwig" by Dr. Max Wauer.  I only knew about the 14. Dezember (Prinz Alberts & Alice's death) and not about the Hessen-family. 

Some Battenbergs/v Hessen u. b. Rhein familymembers are also very close to the dates -

Prinz Alexander von Hessen und bei Rhein + 15. Dez 1888

his son Alexander (Sandro) von Battenberg, later Count Hartenau +17. November 1893.
On this date in 1885 he (as Sovereign of Bulgaria) and his small army defeated the Serbian Army in the famous battle of Slevniza.-but thats a different story - i.m.o also very interesting.

 

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)

« on: September 14, 2007, 03:06:25 PM »

I just came across something really strange while looking up something else, thought I'd share this. Maybe it was discussed before?!

Did anyone ever notice that  Marie/May  (Ernst-Ludiwgs sister), Elisabeth (ELs daughter) and the Ostende victims (ELs wife,son,Daughter in Law,etc) all died on the same date!!  16. November. According to the dates in the family tree printed in my book.

May 1878, Elisabeth 1903, Ostende victims 1937

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Balkan Royal Families / Re: Prince Alexander of Battenberg/Bulgaria

« on: April 02, 2007, 02:56:24 PM »

Just as a little reminder, on Thursday, April 5, Sandro would have been 150 years  .  *05. April 1857

I'm working on a little exhibition about Sandro' Life and his wife Johanna von Hartenau which should take place in Jugenheim. Since research is very time consuming  I had to pospone my Idea of an exhibition due to his 150. birthday on Thursday. It will take some more time.   

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures

« on: March 26, 2007, 02:42:46 PM »

Franz-Josef wrote a book about the economic system of Bulgaria (published around 1886-90!??). I guess due to his time in Bulgaria with his brother Sandro.
Dr. Franz von Battenberg should be Franz-Josef, as far as I remember he had a doctorate. According to his sister Marie von Erbach-Schönberg, he was more an academic person, Ludwig, Sandro and Liko more military.

It was Die volkswirtschaftliche Entwickelung Bulgariens von 1879 bis zur Gegenwart (Leipzig, 1891)

Thanks for looking up the title, I didn't have the time to go look through my papers.  . It is really very stange with Franz-Josef. Even in Darmstadt-Staatsarchiv I never really found something. I still have a source in Jugenheim, but I didn't work myself through everything yet- except one picture of Anna dated 1890 (?? or 91/92/93?? ) - Paris.

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures

« on: March 26, 2007, 05:25:28 AM »

Franz-Josef wrote a book about the economic system of Bulgaria (published around 1886-90!??). I guess due to his time in Bulgaria with his brother Sandro.
Dr. Franz von Battenberg should be Franz-Josef, as far as I remember he had a doctorate. According to his sister Marie von Erbach-Schönberg, he was more an academic person, Ludwig, Sandro and Liko more military.

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Amalie of Hesse-Darmstadt

« on: February 18, 2007, 06:11:37 AM »

. Wilhelmina, the younger sister, was not happy with her oncle and she had a long standing relationship with Senarclens de Grancy...

This is neither proven nor likely

Immer noch am zweifeln???              (for our english readers: you still doubt??)

Grüße VN 

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Amalie of Hesse-Darmstadt

« on: February 18, 2007, 06:04:38 AM »

Frederika, later queen Frederika of Sweeden by marriage and Wilhelmine, later duchess of Hesse-Darmstadt by marriage with an old oncle.

Wilhelmine was not married to an old uncle, Grand Duke Ludwig II von Hessen was her first cousin.
Ludwig II was the son of Amalies Brother Ludwig I, who by the way was also married to his first cousin Luise.

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Amalie of Hesse-Darmstadt

« on: February 16, 2007, 04:39:32 PM »

I suppose this is the right place to start a thread on Amalie of Hesse-Darmstadt. She was one of the two daughters born in the marriage between Louis VIII duke of Hesse and his wife Karoline of Zweibrücken.

Amalie von Hessen-Darmstadt was the daughter of Landgraf Ludwig IX (not VIII) !! von Hessen-Darmstadt and of Pfalzgräfin Caroline von Zweibrücken, later known as "Die große Landgräfin" von Hessen.

They had 8 Children.


Landgraf Ludwig IX.        +      Landgräfin Caroline
* 1719-1790                          * 1719 -1774


Children:

- Caroline *1746-       + Friedrich V. von Hessen-Homburg

- Ludwig I.  * 1753-1830   +  Luise von Hessen-Darmstadt

- Wilhelmine * 1755-1776  (Natalia)  + married to Paul I. of Russia)

- Luise * 1757-1830          + Carl August von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach

- Amalie *1754         + Karl Ludwig von Baden

- Friedrich * 1759

- Christian * 1763

- Friederike * 1751-1805   +  Friedrich Wilhelm II. von Preußen

I don't know why I can't modify the above post, but here I corrected Ludwig IX in the Quote. In the above post I made a mistake the second time I mentioned Ludwig - IV is of course wrong, IX is correct!!

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Amalie of Hesse-Darmstadt

« on: February 16, 2007, 09:55:01 AM »

I suppose this is the right place to start a thread on Amalie of Hesse-Darmstadt. She was one of the two daughters born in the marriage between Louis VIII duke of Hesse and his wife Karoline of Zweibrücken.

Amalie von Hessen-Darmstadt was the daughter of Landgraf Ludwig IX (not VIII) !! von Hessen-Darmstadt and of Pfalzgräfin Caroline von Zweibrücken, later known as "Die große Landgräfin" von Hessen.

They had 8 Children.


Landgraf Ludwig IV.        +      Landgräfin Caroline
* 1719-1790                          * 1719 -1774


Children:

- Caroline *1746-       + Friedrich V. von Hessen-Homburg

- Ludwig I.  * 1753-1830   +  Luise von Hessen-Darmstadt

- Wilhelmine * 1755-1776  (Natalia)  + married to Paul I. of Russia)

- Luise * 1757-1830          + Carl August von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach

- Amalie *1754         + Karl Ludwig von Baden

- Friedrich * 1759

- Christian * 1763

- Friederike * 1751-1805   +  Friedrich Wilhelm II. von Preußen

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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: Palaces and Castles of the Hesses

« on: January 30, 2007, 03:16:19 PM »

Hallo Sarai

I would say that it is worth buying, even if you don't understand/read german. If you have a german dictionary you will find out easily what the description next to the pictures mean. It contains beautiful pictures of the house itself and the interior.

Greetings VN