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The Tudors / Re: Anne Boleyn
« on: July 22, 2007, 09:10:47 AM »
I can't remember any direct quotes, but I think the general thinking was that she was witty, 'fiery', lively, that kind of thing.

Having Fun! / Re: 7 Cardinal Virtues
« on: July 22, 2007, 09:09:21 AM »
But once he married he apparently did remain faithful, and--to quote a rather handy online resource--Wikipedia states that "some do consider sexually active married couples to be chaste if they have relations only with each other."   ;)

That's what I was thinking of, it's not a word I use in every day conversation, sorry for the mix up of meaning!  ;)

Having Fun! / Re: 7 Cardinal Virtues
« on: July 21, 2007, 06:04:39 AM »

As regards chastity, I'm not sure that list is going to have many names on it!  :P  Certainly no Princes of Wales are going to qualify.

Well, George V was pretty chaste both as Prince of Wales and King. ;)

Perhaps Maud was simply blessed with a slender figure, as her sisters and brothers seemed to be also.

People like that are so irritating, aren't they Grace??  ;D ;D

The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: New movie about Mary Stuart
« on: July 21, 2007, 05:32:45 AM »
Can we move on from discussing the Beckhams and their various virtues/vices, please?  ;)

The Tudors / Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
« on: June 30, 2007, 08:41:57 AM »
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This in the "oo aarr Daily Star" today. I don't think it can stoop any lower;

I can't say I'm surprised.  ;D ;D

The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: June 26, 2007, 02:57:33 PM »
Hey everyone! There's lots of rumours here at the moment that the Queen will make an official state visit to Ireland very soon, the first since our independence. Apparently our President said something like 'conditions now are better than they've ever been for a visit by the Queen' or words to that effect, and she's known to be a very great admirer of HM. Does anyone else know anything about it? Is it 'official' yet? Thanks!

The Windsors / Re: Love Lives of William and Harry
« on: June 24, 2007, 04:42:40 PM »
Oh my, what ever will Basilforever think!  ::)

The Windsors / Re: King George V
« on: June 19, 2007, 09:05:29 AM »
It was indeed, it's the conference that Georgie (future Duke of Kent) peeks in on.

The Windsors / Re: King George V
« on: June 17, 2007, 02:30:43 PM »
Thanks a lot GDE, the more I read about this the more impressed I am with GV.  :)

The Windsors / Re: King George V
« on: June 17, 2007, 07:37:00 AM »
Thanks for the info everyone. I know GV called an all-party conference in 1914 in an attempt to sort things out, but I don't know much about it - I don't even know which Irish politicians attended.  :-[ Does anyone have any details?

The Windsors / Re: King George V
« on: June 15, 2007, 06:29:38 PM »
Thanks for the contributions Duke of NJ and GDE, especially Grandduchessella for typing all that! Very interesting! :)

Given the fact that de Valera had scant respect for GV's authority or rank, Time magazine even calling him GV's 'enemy' and deV having once been sentenced to death (reduced to penal servitude and then freed in the amnesty of the following year) for commanding insurgents against the King, I think it says something about how GV was able to view him and deal with him despite this. Like his relationships with Lloyd George and Ramsey MacDonald (who he actually grew pretty close to), GV didn't let personal issues like that get in the way of what he deemed best for his Empire.

There's an extract of a letter in my old school history book that an Irish representative in England wrote home, describing a meeting with the King in the early 1930s, before de Valera came to power. He seemed to have the utmost respect for and confidence in de Valera's predeccessor, WT Cosgrave, whereas he regarded de Valera as 'scarecely Irish at all'.  ;D

He certainly didn't view the native people of his various dominions (Irish, Indian, African, etc...) as any less than he did the British.

I think this is very much to his credit, since it certainly wasn't a view popular among people of his class and generation in Britain. He's right that they should've implemented Home Rule though (they did pass the third home rule bill, in 1914, but it's implementation was delayed because of World War I). When Gladstone introduced the first home rule bill in 1886, he urged the MPs to give Ireland home rule with honour, rather than be forced to do so in humiliation at a later date.

The Windsors / Re: King George V
« on: June 15, 2007, 03:58:38 PM »
Yes, I must admit that I was (pleasantly) surprised when I read about it. I always put him down as a typical unionist, which I guess he was, but his concern for the welfare of the Irish did him great credit, especially considering that Irish welfare was a very long way down the list of Lloyd George and Churchill's priorities.

The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Pt 2
« on: June 15, 2007, 01:44:18 PM »
Doesn't HM find Mrs Blair's refusal to curtsey highly amusing? I'm sure I read that somewhere.

The Windsors / King George V
« on: June 15, 2007, 01:43:00 PM »
Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone new anything more about this - I've often read that George V was highly critical of his government's brutal policies in Ireland in the early 1920s, and that he disapproved of the antics of the para-military 'Black and Tans' but does anyone know anything more specific about his views? I've never read a biography of George, is anything about this mentioned in it? Thanks!  :)

The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Margaret, Countess of Lennox,
« on: June 12, 2007, 04:25:59 PM »
I think the Angus lands were confiscated by the Scots as her father had 'defected' to Henry VIII's side. She did style herself 'Countess of Lennox and Angus' for a time however. I don't think she ever met Mary, Queen of Scots or James V.

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