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Rasputin / Re: Rasputin
« on: April 08, 2004, 09:28:42 PM »

I agree.  I find 'The Mystery of the Tsar' to not only be a fine production, it's useful too.

The US Army's Parsons and Weedn claim that the huge strands of DNA they along with Gill tested were as a result of 'permafrost' at the Ekaterinburg site.  Freezing without thaw (permafrost) does indeed preserve DNA a bit better than warmer temperatures.

However 'The Mystery of the Tsar' clearly shows the removal of the remains from a very muddy bog, in a dense aspen and coniferous forest.  

Trees do not grow in permafrost.

Dear Mr. Hunzinger,

The Claimant Committee has carefully reviewed your application.

We are nearly unanimous in our condemnation of this obvious attempt to bribe the committee.

We are unanimous in our questioning your ability to deliver on those promises, for which we believe you ought to be ashamed.

No points.


The Claimant Committee

Research Russian Roots / Re: Wrangel
« on: April 08, 2004, 12:23:01 AM »
Baron General von Wrangel wrote an interesting autobiography.   If you haven't done so already, you might consider trying to obtain a copy.


Thank you for your interest in our thread.

We have to admit that your story is as good as any other we've seen here, so for that, the Claimant Committee do hereby award you 5 points for 'remote plausibility.'

Congratulations.  You are in first place.

And as far as DNA testing is concerned, I Rodger, would be happy to conduct such a test for you.  Kindly remove a clump of hair from the top of your head, (side is okay if you suffer from male pattern baldness), please include the roots, and mail it to the Forum Administrator for processing.  Send check for $495, plus $19.95 for processing, made out to 'Rodger.'  Send an extra $50 and we'll will be happy to include a certificate of your mitochondrial DNA profile, suitable for framing, that you can use to impress your friends and obtain a book deal.

The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: The Remains in Brussels
« on: April 07, 2004, 08:03:55 PM »
Thanks Bob for that explanation.  I always wondered what it was that affected the Patriarch as his early statements were much less than kind.

As far as the 'remains' in Brussels are concerned, several labs have attempted to test samples from them, but because of the severely degraded condition of the sample, none have been able to get any results, a very common problem with old DNA.

There were other factors involved in the 'fatalism' of Nicholas and Alexandra.

Throughout his reign, Nicholas struggled with a bureaucracy that resistant to change, radicals that didn't think there was enough change, intrigue in his government, in his distant relatives, and constant foreign problems.

If you placed yourself in his shoes, and I know that's hard to do, the general resistance and the constant problems with running such a large and disparate empire would have been more than sufficient to make one rather resigned to fate . . .

Tihkon Kulikovsky's mtDNA did not match the putative Nicholas.

The sample was presented by Mrs. Olga Kulkovsky-Romanov for testing.

Sorry for any confusion.  

Unpublished DNA tests have no validity.

For any scientific conclusion to be properly drawn, the basis for that conclusion has to be sound.

1223 base pairs each from 9 70 year old+ skeletons is impossible.  

Therefore the basis for all of those stories, and the publications, and the heteroplasmy, and the exhuming Georgij, et cetera, is invalid.

Fresh DNA.  You may not understand what that means, and I don't expect you to.  I'm not being condescending on that account, but apparently, it's a difficult concept for some people to fully comprehend.  But scientists experienced in this matter do.  

Besides, Nicholas Kulikovsky's DNA didn't match the published value either.

Rasputin / Re: Rasputin
« on: April 07, 2004, 12:00:56 AM »
It was in the Victoria Lewis/Peter Kurth Documentary.  

Ask Peter.

I believe he has a pretty good idea of the circumstances and whether it was successful or not.  I know they tried.  If I remember correctly, it was ordered by the Empress but I don't have primary or even secondary sources sitting in front of me right now.  I'm going by memory, sorry.

Rasputin / Re: Rasputin
« on: April 06, 2004, 10:48:32 PM »
He was cremated upon orders of the Empress so that his remains wouldn't be desicrated.

Having Fun! / Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
« on: April 06, 2004, 09:48:17 PM »

For the way she keeps Angel on his toes.

*ducks for cover*

I think that it's appropriate, given the number of persons who have decided that their grandmothers were Olga/Tatiana/Maria/Anastasia, we should have a thread just for them.

Here are some instructions for would-be Imperial Family Descendants.  Please follow these instructions carefully, errors will result in a significant deduction of points.

1)  Please obtain a valid DNA test from a certified lab, and submit the results to the Forum Master to be posted for scrutiny.  Warning: should there be a single difference between your HVRI or HVRII nucleotides, and any of the published profiles, including Grand Duchess Ella, your claim will be disqualified.  No exceptions.

2)  Please post LARGE unretouched photos.  Photoshop or other methods for 'enhancing' that resemblance between Grandma Fizzlestick and Olga/Tatiana/Maria/ and/or Anastasia, will result in immediate disqualification.  

3)  Bonus points are given for creative stories regarding grandma's escape from the old country.  Please send a typed, spell checked and complete description to Ms. Penny Wilson.  

4)  Do not claim that grandma was Anna Anderson or Eugenie Smith.

5)  Do not contact Dr. Knight, Dr. Gill, Dr. Zhivotosky, Dr. Parsons, Dr. Weedn, Robert K. Massie or anyone affiliated with the Hoover Institution, The US Armed Forces, the Central Intelligence Agency,  the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, the British Home Office, or Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth Regina with your application/claim.  One or more of their representatives will contact you if they find your claim interesting.

6)  If your grandmother spoke Russian, please provide a notary certified writing example to verify this ability.

7)  If your grandmother didn't speak Russian, please refer to (4).

If you follow these easy instructions, it will make it considerably easier to process your claim, and allow us to get back to you as quickly as possible.

Good luck.

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Rasputin / Re: Secrets that should have been revealed?
« on: April 05, 2004, 10:20:20 PM »
In a seminar discussion at the War College, it was agreed that modern communication techniques would have gone a long way in stopping or delaying the massive disorganized mobilization the marked the plunge into that war.

In other words, modern field radios, conference call capabilities, et cetera may have changed the initial conditions as they occurred, usually without clear orders from commanders.  

Models of the initial conditions present at the outset of the war tend to support this hypothesis.

As every mathematician knows. chaos is highly sensitive to initial conditions.  And World War One is a classic example of chaos.  


There are lots of ideas.  

But they aren't worth anything until the DNA matter is properly resolved, which will settle a lot of questions.  

The best way to settle the matter a least as it concerns the Imperial girls, would be independent retesting of a number of maternal line descendants of Queen Victoria; the more, the stronger the resolution.  It is preferrable that they be closer related to her than further.  A GG grandchild has a better chance of providing a clean model of QVs mtDNA than a GGGG grandchild, for a number of reasons.

One subject is insufficient by today's standards to establish identity in a case of this gravity.  Gill and Ivanov only allegedly tested Prince Philip to establish identity of the girls, and the chain of custody, so on and so forth, has not been properly documented and established.  

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