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Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich / Re: Alexei Legends or Facts?

« on: March 03, 2006, 08:45:21 AM »

Since it is alleged that the Alexei story is a myth, should we simply go ahead and remove this particular thread from the Alexei section of interest?

--jesse

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Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich / Alexei Legends or Facts?

« on: March 03, 2006, 07:41:54 AM »

This may be the incorrect place to put this post--I am simply not sure.   This is allegedly a true account concerning Alexei (in the summer of 1914), JUST after the War started.   I am trying to find out if it is only legend or FACT.   ( I did search for a thread site for Alexei legends, but did not find one)  Well . . . here goes :


        ADMIRAL ALEKSEY IN COMMAND—1914

When World War 1 broke out in the summer of 1914, between Russia and Germany, the Royal Family was not at Tsarskoe-Selo but rather, at sea. On one occasion, as they were returning to port, Nicholas and the Captain went ashore to discuss tactics with some generals. The ship—the Standardt—was to remain circling around the fjords [of Finland?].

It was raining, so visibility was low. With the Standardt’s Captain and the Tsar absent, Alexei—the 9 year-old heir apparent—was technically in command. While Alexei was playing with a friend in his state room, he was suddenly summoned to command the bridge.

Upon arrival, the Tsarevich was informed that an unidentified ship was approaching. Knowing well that the War had just started and that they could be in danger, he made his decision with all deliberate speed. He had the crew plot an intercept course and load and position all weapons.

Once they were in weapons range, without hesitation, he ordered them to fire. It was a direct hit on the aft section of the other vessel. At this, the other ship came about and was preparing to return fire upon the Standardt. Knowing this, Alexei ordered evasive manoeuvres.

The unidentified ship returned fire, but missed. Then as it closed on them, one of the Standardt’s crewman was able to see the incoming vessel clearly with some binoculars. He recognized it as being the Polar Star [the Tsar’s other private ship]. Then, Alexei ordered the Standardt’s engine telegraph to All-stop and he had the crew run up the white flag.

The Polar Star (His grandmothers ship), slowed it's approach. Alexei finally ordered the Standardt to go alongside of the Polar Star to bring survivors aboard.  Alexei was not punished for what he did. Dispite the ending result, he did do the right thing. An unidentified ship was approaching them during a time of war. He had no way of knowing that it was his grandmothers ship, since visual identification was difficult and the Standardt’s radio was temporarily out.  This incident was not widely known.

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Having Fun! / Re: Would you trade your life for theirs?

« on: March 01, 2006, 11:05:26 AM »

Oooops  Naive me . . . I just REALISED the intent behind this Thread.  Sorry about my non-sequitur post, as juxtaposed to you other folks.   Apologies.

---Jesse

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Having Fun! / Re: Would you trade your life for theirs?

« on: March 01, 2006, 10:55:46 AM »

Sorry, i guess I have not yet put that quote on the Alex Palace web site.     My apologies.   oooops!

--jesse

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Having Fun! / Re: Would you trade your life for theirs?

« on: March 01, 2006, 10:53:50 AM »

Hi ;

My 2 kopecks worth on the query of :  Would I be willing to trade / exchange my life for NAOTMAA?  Hmmmm . . . How about an entirely different angle on this--a Spiritual angle?

As you folks will see on my reply and its signature and quotations, I am quoting a Biblical citation which says that the highest form of love is to give your life for a friend.

Now, let me say this :  I am not an inherently BRAVE chap.
Never have been--sad to say.   But, with Divine aid, i could be.   Pretending here that I could go back in time and exchange my life for theirs [give my life in their place and they would--in effect-- be saved from that awful 17 July 1918 rendezvous with destiny] then with Divine aid, I would indeed exchange places with them.   My heart still almost literally hurts when I think of their wretched, horrific end.   Of course, we cannot go back in time to save them.
But if I could, and were enabled to be BRAVE enough to do so, then I would.  SEE citation which follows :

Romans 5:7
Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die.

--jesse

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Russian Scientists Claim Marie to be the Female Body Missing From Pigs Meadow Grave

« on: February 27, 2006, 12:41:50 PM »

Survivors thread  ;

I need some help here.  I--like so many on this discussion forum, have read so much Factual stuff and then also supplemented it with historical fiction that oft it can run together.    I read that after the entire I.F. were pronounced dead that in the process of moving the bodies to the truck that one of two of the bodies came to and began to scream like banchees  and further unnerving the spooked and almost shattered group of volunteer shooters.  

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Russian Scientists Claim Marie to be the Female Body Missing From Pigs Meadow Grave

« on: February 27, 2006, 10:37:30 AM »

Blimey . . . London-to-a-Brick that  I've been rebuked by the bloomin' Forum Admin!!    

So what's the moral of the story?  Never, never obfuscate the  intelligensia with logical paradigms and polemical consistency.
I should have been more nebulous and fuzzy         *just kidding  just kidding*

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Forum Announcements / Re: Where do you come from?

« on: February 27, 2006, 10:23:32 AM »

Hi,  Tukker-ragazzo  ;

Maj. Jesse Carnes on this side of the mouse.
I like the Nederlands.   Charming and beautiful.

You may find it interesting to note that the Romanov
family did with Kodak Brownie no 2 cameras what
Anne Frank did with words.    The Romanov family
documented their lives in photos and Anne Frank
did the same  [1942-1944] using her diaries  [3 of themin fact].   I find a wonderful connexion between Anastasia Romanov and Anne Frank.  Both liked being the family clown and had similar personalities.  Just my opinion  

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Russian Scientists Claim Marie to be the Female Body Missing From Pigs Meadow Grave

« on: February 22, 2006, 02:49:59 PM »

Hi ;

Maj. Jesse Carnes here.   I am a newbie at the Alexander Palace T.M., and some believe that Marie and Alexei did in fact survive.  May I add my two KOPEKS worth?
(I searched for a thread that matched mine perfectly and this was as close to a Survivors' Thread as I could scrounge.
   
Oooooooh---yes,  I know this thread creates some seething and bubbling, within the warp-and-woof of some people's emotional fabric.  But I will try to be gentle.   Let me say that in light of the somewhat liked and somewhat disliked King & Wilson book [F.O.T.R.], if... IF what K & W say [and document] is accurate, then the argument is closed for three reasons :

1.  sheer logic of the series of events.  How--Logistically--would have Nicky have gotten Aleksey and a sister OUT of the Impatiev House unseen.   Would not Yakov Yurovsky--the new vile commandant--have been ready for such a ploy?

2.  sheer logic that so many people [some giving accounts were Bolshies, admittedly] gave accounts that TENDED to agree.   Yes, there were some inconsistencies with Yakov Yurovsky's report [1920s], albeit. Some eyewitnesses--shooter(s)--said how each person was murdered in graphic details.  Ermakov was another shooter who finished some of OTMAA, himself.
Has his reported activity in this heinous crime been refuted yet?

3.  the Bolsheviks (" Bolshevikii monstri" IMHO) did NOT want any survivors to raise the hopes of the masses of Russians still devoted to the Monarchy.    

Now, let me add this :  if the family had replaced Aleksey and one girl of OTMA with a replacement, then what  YOUNG person would have been intrepid enough to give their life--vicariouisly--for another?

[SEE Romans 5:7 . . .  "Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die." ]

Another comment with moral repurcussion :  Would Nicky and Alix have been willing to permit the deaths of two replacement young teens?   I simply do not see Nicky allowing such a noble but deadly sacrifice.  All of you Nicky fans out there--a question :  Would his character profile have permitted such a replacement?

Add to this, was it not also crystal clear to Nicky [in the year following his abdication] that the Monarchy was finished as a viable instrument of government for Russia?   Did not his love for Russia outweigh his love for the Monarchy---as much as he relished it?

Additionally, if---IF  the above addendum (concerning a replacement of Aleksey and one sister) were true, then obviously Nicky and Alix KNEW that  their own deaths were probably imminent.   Yes, Nicky and Alix and the family were willing to submit their case into the hands of God [maybe even being a bit praedestinarian in their theological dispositions],  but I am incredulous to believe that they would have permitted TWO innocents to take the place of their own children [ in this case Marie and Aleksey ].  For Heaven's sake, this family were God-Fearers [to use a Bible concept].

The original body death-assessment [in the basement] of each member of NAOTMAA was made clear . . . at least NUMERICALLY . . . if King and Wilson's bibliographical citations are accurate.   Ergo :  if THIS is true then,  there were 7 Imperial bodies, in addition to Trub, Dr Botkin and 2 others.  The Imperial body count suggests that either ALL of NAOTMAA died---OR at least that 5 of the REAL 7 Imperial Family members died with 2 replacements standing in for Aleksey and a sibling.  But, would the logistics of a vicarious swap, added to the ubiquitous Yakov Yurovsky's suspicious nature have permitted such a scheme to become a fete accompli?

By the way, I am open to correction and tweaking by people on this list--who undoubtedly possess more expertise in this area of discussion.  I am only a novice.

My 2 KOPEKS worth . . .   ^_^

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The Imperial Family / Re: Court Photographers

« on: February 20, 2006, 11:42:27 AM »

Hi ;

One quick comment . . . or lament :  that Nicky never thought of having Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii take individual and family portraits in colour.   Anyone who is  familiar with Prokudin-Gorskii's genius work in colour fotography will know that the Tsar commissioned him in 1910 and 1915 to take fotos of Russia.   If you see the quality of P-G's work, then would it have not been glorious to have seen the Imperial Family in ---say, 1913 in gorgeous and clear closeup portraits?

See some of P-G's colour work :

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_32x__00023_.jpg

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87-8086.jpg

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87-8052.jpg

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?prok:303:./temp/~pp_AHlG::displayType=1:m856sd=prokc:m856sf=20372:@@@mdb=prok

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?prok:332:./temp/~pp_AHlG::displayType=1:m856sd=prokc:m856sf=20402:@@@mdb=prok


--Jesse

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Forum Announcements / Re: Where do you come from?

« on: February 20, 2006, 10:51:14 AM »

Hi ;

I am from Keesler Air Force Base, originally [my identical twin, Bobby, was born there as well---obviouisly].
We were both adopted by an ethnically  Scots and British couple --surname of CARNES--who were American citizens.   So what am I genetically ?  Hmmmm.

Genetic parents :  Hale + Thompson = ethnic British families
I now live an hour north of 2005 hurricane-ravaged New Orleans.   But unusually enough, I long to migrate to Britain!  At this writing I am stumped as to how to deal with the logistics.

Anyway, I like this discussion forum.  Ace group, it is!

---Jesse

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Forum Announcements / Re: My honor to Laura Mabee

« on: February 15, 2006, 10:30:24 AM »

My hat is also off to HIH  Laura  
Thanx for your continuing kindnesses.
Your gentle and helpful ministrations preceed you,
mon ami!  

--Major Jesse Carnes
PS :  I am sending you a private post,  as well, Laura

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Forum Announcements / Re: New Users say Hello Here and ONLY HERE!

« on: February 15, 2006, 10:22:20 AM »

Hi ;

Major  Jesse Carnes here.
I am a newbie on the list.

My best experience yet, besides writing
some OTMAA poetry for the list, is getting
a copy of Prince Michaels' N&A:TFA  from Germany
recently for a mere $13.

Thanx for this compelling discuss.-list !

---Jesse

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Olga Nicholaievna / Re: How Has Olga Affected Your Life?

« on: February 15, 2006, 09:39:40 AM »

 
Just a quick note on this topic of Olga to Grand Duchess Alexandria, to Holly, and to RealAnastasia ;

Major Jesse Carnes here.  [I am a newbie on this list]
In the past 2 days, I have begun to really appreciate Olga much more :  her closeness to her dad, her wonderful intelligence, her serious Faith in God, her charm and lithe mannerisms and her devotion to the TMA part of OTMA.
She would have been wonderful to know--simply wonderful.

However, yesterday I read Greg King and Penny Wilson's account [Fate of the Romanovs] of the LAST scene at the Impatiev House.    I will not go into details, but she and Tatiana held on to one another, screaming and crying.
Now---just how  *@$%#  assassins could do what they did to Olga and the rest is beyond my comprehension.   It still brings me to tears---and I am a Guy!!    

GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY--better for a person to drop dead before the fact,  than to do such things to the innocent !!  
Yes, I am simply reacting emotionally, admittedly---but I am still totally incredulous.     A person would have to be moved by literal demonic forces to look someone in the FACE, ignore that they are begging for their very lives and then do the unthinkable.      GOD ALMIGHTY!!

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The Final Chapter / Re: Alexis reaction...

« on: February 14, 2006, 12:32:54 PM »

Hi Romanov Fan_19 and also Joy ;
I am going to verbalize something which came to my mind yesterday and it pertains to the sad deaths of NAOTMAA :
I call it the VICARIOUS Factor.
When I read about the tragic end of NAOTMAA,  I was emotionally striken for quite a while, and still can be.  Then I surmised in my grief, that 2 things had happened in my thoughts :

a)  I realise that in my past, that I had  lived a far less devout life to God than NAOTMAA did.   So WHY did THEY have to die?  I was feeling Survivor's Guilt.

b)  Secondly, I had wished that I could have taken their place and suffered in their stead.  This is called Vicarious Sacrifice.  (SEE 1 Peter 3:18]

No, I am not a brave man who laughs at death, but God help me, if I had lived back then and could have been permitted to have taken their place, would it not have been the RIGHT thing to do?  Of Course!  And don't I wish I could have been brave enough to have done so!   Amen.