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The Hohenzollern / Re: NEW LETTERS about Wilhelm II and Ella
« on: January 23, 2017, 11:51:18 PM »
Is she in mourning? That would explain the clothes. Ann

Didn't she always wear mourning clothes after the death of her husband in 1905 until she donned a nun's habit?

That picture is taken in 1908. The boy is Dickie of Battenberg - Victoria and Louis of Battenberg's youngest son.

Doesn't Ella look... different in that picture? I thought it could be Alix too at first - but I thought that because she looks pregnant.

That's Grand Duchess Elizaveta, 1908 year in, summer in Peterhof. There are more pictures from the event. And of course she is not pregnant, she is not Alix, just an angle of the photo and heavy clothes.

Svetabel, Is the event you refer to the wedding of Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna and Prince Wilhelm of Sweden in May of 1908?

Can you please provide a link to the Slatter piece? I just spent 10 minutes without success trying to even read it.

If you don't subscribe to the WSJ, here is a link to the cached article:

Can you please provide a link to the Slatter piece? I just spent 10 minutes without success trying to even read it.

See link above Lisa.  I am a long time lurker here and just started posting recently.  I have enjoyed reading your informative posts for years.  Kind regards, JGP

The Imperial Family / Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia
« on: January 23, 2017, 09:13:59 PM »
I have been looking for the following book:  25 Chapters of My Life: The Memoirs of Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna
I found it on Amazon but it is about $300.00 has a reprint ever been made of this?  Thanks for your help

Are you in the USA?  I am gobsmacked by the price of $300.  I don't know about a reprint but it is about £40 pounds on Amazon in the UK which is considerably less.  Kindle App download and purchase would only set you back about $10 but you probably already know that.  It is a good read; I enjoyed it.

They had an old car.  I always wondered why the city of Charlottesville did not require them to tend their yard.

Because it wasn't the Soviet Union, was my first thought, as a Norwegian. Do US municipalities really intervene that minutely in people's right to manage their private propety as they wish to?

The idea of a "free" nation may be misleading. Fact is, from small municipalities up to the federal government, there are millions of pages of regulations and rules that restrict individual's and group's "rights" to do whatever they want (or not do) with their owned property. From height of trees, to height of grass, to color of siding, to size of mailbox, etc etc etc, nearly every minute detail has a regulation. That's the work of the government bureaucracies whose main mission is to control how people live. Trump has promised to curb that onslaught of regulations and hopefully roll back many.

That's right Herr Kaiser.  How could I forget that Trump/Drumpf is gonna make America great again, really great, really, really great!; good grief! 

Research Russian Roots / Re: Nicholas ll Diary entry of April 1,1892
« on: January 22, 2017, 12:03:13 AM »
Thank you for the clarification. I have been wondering as my great grandmother was also Princess Olga Alexandrovna Dolgorouky. "My Olga" was born in 1865, daughter of Prince Alexander V. Dolgorouky and Maria Sergueievna Dolgorouky left Russia under very suspicious circumstances in 1892-3. She was the sister of Prince Alexander Alexandrovitch  Dolgorouky and Prince Vassily Alexandrovitch Dolgorouky, Tsar Nisholas' last Chief Marshall of the Imperial Court following their step-father Count Paul Benckendorff.

I am looking for answers as to why "My Olga" (married at the time to Baron Ivan Ferdidnand de Taube and mother of three children) abruptly left Russia and her 3 children behind, fleeing to the United States. I have been working on this mystery for the past 5 years, I may never know the answer but I'll keep searching.

"Your Olga" died in 1961?  If that is correct, do you know where as in what city, country she died?  Were two of your Olga's children named George and Maria?  I found the diary entry you referenced; thanks!

Research Russian Roots / Re: Nicholas ll Diary entry of April 1,1892
« on: January 21, 2017, 04:14:24 PM »
Thank you, was she possibly the daughter of Maria S Benckendorff and sister to prince Vassily A Dolgorouky, or maybe princess Olga Dietrichstein born Dolgorouky? I appreciate any information you can share.

Princess Olga Alexandrovna Dolgoruky was born on 27 November 1873. She was the daughter of Prince Alexander Dolgoruky. She married Hugo Alfons Eduard Emanuel Joseph Johan Wenceslaus Prinz von Dietrichstein-Nicholsburg, son of Alexander Graf von Mensdorff-Pouilly and Countess Alexandrine Marie von Dietrichstein-Nicholsburg, in 1892.  Her married name became von Dietrichstein-Nicholsburg.

Children of Princess Olga Alexandrovna Dolgoruky and Hugo Alfons Eduard Emanuel Joseph Johan Wenceslaus Prinz von Dietrichstein-Nicholsburg

Alexandrine Gräfin von Dietrichstein-Nicholsburg b. 24 Mar 1894
Olga Gräfin von Dietrichstein-Nicholsburg b. 4 Dec 1897
Alexander Albert Victor Graf von Dietrichstein-Nicholsburg b. 15 Jul 1899
Marie Epiphania Clothilde Gräfin von Dietrichstein-Nicholsburg b. 6 Jan 1901

Research Russian Roots / Re: Nicholas ll Diary entry of April 1,1892
« on: January 21, 2017, 03:37:19 PM »
The entry I am inquiring about it is" The following year I fell very much in love with Olga D(olgorouky)" I'm confused as I thought Olga Shuvalov Dolgorouky was born in 1848, that would have made her 20 years older than Nicholas. I didn't know he was involved with an older woman. I thought it might have been her daughter. Maybe I have my dates confused? Thank you for any clarification you can offer.

I am not sure I understand the entry as you posted it but I love a good mystery. 

In your original post you asked if anyone has information regarding Olga D(olgououky) (sic) mentioned in Nicholas's diary entry of April 1, 1892. The entry quoted above implies/infers that Nicholas was writing his diary retroactively as you state he wrote the "following year" in this particular entry.  Could you share the rest of the diary entry so we have some context?  Kind regards,  JGP

The Imperial Family / Re: Grand Duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna
« on: January 09, 2017, 07:16:38 PM »

Glad I could help.  Here are a few more recommendations for you...

Clarke, M.J. (1978). "The Education of Royalty in the Eighteenth Century: George IV and William IV". British Journal of Educational Studies. 26 (1): 73. doi:10.2307/3120477.

Gordon, Peter; Lawton, Denis (2003). Royal Education: Past, Present, and Future. Psychology Press. ISBN 978-0-7146-8386-7.

Pollnitz, Aysha (2015). Princely Education in Early Modern Britain. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-1-107-03952-0.

Happy New Year to you!

This might help...

"Extract from a memorandum written in his own hand, Prince Albert describes his ‘positive plan’ for the future management of the children’s education."

NicholasG and Ortino, I really enjoy reading your posts (on multiple threads) but why the animus between the two of you?  You are both knowledgeable and your posts reflect that; please just agree to disagree. 

Her second marriage was to Colonel Michael Zaharovitch Veletskli who was Commanding Colonel of an Infantry Regiment, stationed in the small town of Novogeorgievsk, near Revovka.  Revovka again; LOL.

Lili Dehn stated in her book "My father was Ismail Selim Bek Smolsky, whose ancestors hailed from Lithuanian Tartary".

Interesting  Превед and NicholasG!  Two genealogy websites; my heritage and geni) annotate Lili Dehn's birthplace as Revivka, Kremenchuts'kyi District, Poltavs'ka Oblast, Ukraine although they certainly could be incorrect. 

The two Revivkas/Revovkas are on opposite sides of the Dnieper River:
1. Revivka, Cherkasy oblast, Ukraine. Location:   49° 3′ 21″ N, 32° 1′ 33″ E  WEST Side

2. Revivka, Poltava oblast, Ukraine. Location:     49° 10′ 37″ N, 33° 44′ 21″ E EAST Side

I looked at both "Revivkas/Revovkas" on Google Maps and the Revivka/Revovka in Poltava/Poltavs'ka Oblast appears to be in closer proximity to the Dnieper River which Lily Dehn mentions in her book "The Real Tsaritsa" which is online on this site and an interesting read;

In addition, her son Alexander Leonid von Dehn wrote in a history of his family "The Horvaths Estates, my Mother's family on the Maternal side, have already been mentioned before, but, I will now describe the two Estates which I knew - my Great-Grandmother's estate, Revovka, near the small town Novo-Georgievsk, and my Grandmother's Estate, Beletskovka, where I spent many a happy summer in my childhood."  This is also a really interesting and informative read;

Novo-Georgievsk was a city in Ukraine that since 1961 was flooded by the Kremenchuk water reservoir; Wikipedia lists its Grid Coordinates as 49° 6′ 0″ N, 33° 7′ 0″ E.  Plotting the grid coordinates for both Revivkas/Revovkas and the grid coordinates for the former city of Novo-Georgievsk (NG) on Google Maps, the Revivka/Revovka in Poltava also appears closer to the former city of NG.

However, as you mentioned the Horvaths, Dehn's maternal family, who owned Revovka, were registered in the provincial nobilities of the Kharkov, Kherson and Kursk gouvernements, not Poltava, would infer you are correct. 

I love a good mystery. 

Kind regards, JGP

In agreement with NicolasG; it is the latter...

Revivka, Kremenchuts'kyi District, Poltavs'ka Oblast, Ukraine

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