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The Final Chapter / Re: How did NAOTMAA die?
« on: August 21, 2005, 12:28:48 PM »
As it has already been said, I highly recommand the book of Greg and penny Wilson... It's very very surprising for all the details (and proofs) they give about the murder... I had read a lot of various accounts before, and I must recognize that, in fact, I didn't know anything about this thread. This book is the best on this chapter. Even if it's particularly difficult to read such things about the murder (a lot of cold-blooded details) :'(

The Imperial Family / Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
« on: July 25, 2005, 09:00:11 PM »
some participants to this Russian ball at the GD Vladimir Alex. and Maria Pavlovna's Palace on the 25th january of 1883:

The Empress Maria Feodorovna (Alex. III didn't like the costume balls, so he was dressed as "every days "in uniform)

Maria Pavlovna and Vladimir Alexandrovitch:

1883? or 1903?  ???  ???  ???

It seems to me that these photos were taken in the Winterpalace during the famous costume ball of 1903! and not 1883!

there is a particularly beautiful portrait of Nixa in "Winter palace" from Gourcuff... I can't put the photo on the site unfortunately but If someone know this portrait...


I would want to know if there are biographies of the GD individually (except for Anastasia of course)... I have never seen a book which woud have been titled "Olga Nicolaevna: the story of a short life" for instance or "Tatiana: the mysterious daughter of the last tsar"...Even the excellent book of Arturo beeche "the grand duchesses" doesn't give a lot of details on the GD individually...I know the poor young girls had short lifes.. but I think that with all the things we know about the IF, it would have been possible for a writer to publish books on each of them..

 ???  ???  ???  ???

These photos of Alexandra Iosifovna are all really ridiculous.. I was amazed by these photos because Alexandra Iosifovna mimics Sissi (the empress of Austria) on many of them....

I had read in "Romanov Autumn" that Alexandra Iosifovna had a passion for Sissi . She would say to everybody, even to the ambassadors, that she looks much alike Sissi... In fact there was no similarity between the beautiful Sissi and the common Alexandra..The empress of Austria was said to be the most beautiful woman in Europe .

If someone has already seen the most famous photos of the empress of Austria, he will laugh (like me) .. Alexandra Iosifovna did exactly the same, particularly for the first and the fifth photo on this topic

Rulers Prior to Nicholas II / Re: Emperor Alexander I
« on: July 10, 2005, 07:43:27 PM »

But probably in those times, he fit the standard of handsomness!

???  No one can be judge only by portraits... portraits show anything about the manners, the behaviour, the attitude, the posture, the voice, the gesture, the attractiveness, the kindness ..a handsome man for me is is not only a man with an attractive face.. there are so many things to take in count.  I ever read that Alexander I Pavlovitch was said really attractive. He was said also well-built and healthy... I find it was an handsome and attractive man for a lot of good reasons, not only for his features or his face .

Tatiana Nicholaievna / Re: Tatiana's Name
« on: July 06, 2005, 05:39:37 PM »
The name "Tatiana" existed in Russia before the 1830's, but was a peasant name.  It was immediately after Pushkin published Yevgeny Onegin (1833) that the name took off in widespread popularity.  I think it's pretty interesting that even the Tsar and Tsaritsa chose a name that hadn't existed among the gentry & royalty for very long.  (Most Romanov given names are very traditional.)

The name "Tatiana" had already be done to a member of the imperial family, .. the name of Konstantin konstantinovich's only daughter was tatiana

The Final Chapter / Re: GD's deaths.. who was who?
« on: June 12, 2005, 09:32:25 AM »
thank you very much for your replies...

Clockworkgirl, I have read the same thing than you, but for Maria not for Anastasia...

I have never read "fate of the romanovs" I think I will buy the book to know more details

The Final Chapter / Re: GD's deaths.. who was who?
« on: June 11, 2005, 03:42:51 PM »
sorry ???

It may appears like a "gruesome" question... I was not my purpose.. I am not interested about the manner they used to kill them.. the fact is horrible enough and I think we have not need more details on the murder itself (my question was not "how did they kill them? )...The fact is only that I have read a lot of books with so many contradictions about the GDs mainly that I am curious to know what really happened...Don't forget that a lot of people believe yet that a GD survived ... In this context, I think it's important to know what really happened and who had the more chances to escape from this slaughter..I ask for pardon if my question has shocked szomebody...


The Final Chapter / Re: GD's deaths.. who was who?
« on: June 11, 2005, 12:19:12 PM »

I have not understand your reply...sorry, I am not speak english fluently, even if I did a lot of progress...  ;D

The Final Chapter / GD's deaths.. who was who?
« on: June 11, 2005, 12:01:06 PM »

I have often read contradictions in the reports about the GD's end... It's said in a report that after the shot, two young girls were stood yet , putting their arms on their heads as if they wanted to protect them from bullets... who were they? Anastasia and Maria? Anastasia and olga? Tatiana and Olga?

It's also said that before the shot, Alexandra and one of her daughter made the sign of the cross...Was it Olga?

Other reports say that after the shot, the only surviving girl was Anastasia.. it seems that she was laid   on the floor, crying.. and that she was killed by the guards 's bayonets

In other reports, the only surviving girl was Maria

I know that no one knows exactly what happened... but I would only want to know what is the most probable in the lot of contradictions we read on this subject..what happened to the girls? we know for Nicholas, Alix, Alexei and their servants but Is it possible to know almost exactly what happened to Tatiana, Olga, maria, or Anastasia in their last moments?

To My favourite

A big Happy birthday ... you will stay in our hearts forever

I am curious to know why Alexander II is not considered a great tsar as Catherine II or Peter the great...however, millions of human beings has been delivered from slavery under his reign... It seems to me that Alexander II has not all the consideration he had to. The proof is that there are not a lot of books about him or about his life ... and this forum has not  a lot of threads on him..

What do you think about this? Alexander II the great or not?

Elizaveta Alexeevna was really a nice person. And very unhappy in her family life. As a result she had a love affair with a handsome staff-captain Alexey Okhotnikov. There were rumours that her youngest daughter Elizaveta (born 1806-died 1808 ) was not a child of EmperorAlexander but Okhotnikov. Unfortunate staff-captain died in 1807 after an attempt at his life. Many contemproraries considered that Alexander or his brother Konstantin had ordered to kill Okhotnikov.

All correspondence between Elizaveta and Alexey Okhotnikov (and some of her diaries) were obliterated by the Emperor Nikolay I after her death.


Elisabeth Alexeevna's main lover was her husband's best friend, the prince Adam czatoryski...A polish prince, very handsome and clever.. and the first child of Alexander and Elisabeth (called Marie) was in fact the daughter of Adam and Elisabeth... a funny story talks about it...At the baptism of the little Marie, Paul, sniggering, asked to the princess Lieven "do you really think  that two fair-haired persones can give birth to a  dark-haired child"??

When Adam returned in Poland, Elisabeth found herself very lonely and she had a few love matches, not very long...and between them Okhotnikov...

I have just finished to read the wonderful biography of Alexander I by Henri Troyat... I love this book, and I advice it to everybody... The end of Elisabeth and Alexander 's lifes is very sad and romantic... after 32 years of a unhappy married life, they were very close from each other at the end, Alexander died in the arms of his wife ... Elisabeth died 3 months after

Rulers Prior to Nicholas II / Re: Maria Feodorovna-wife of Paul I
« on: March 14, 2005, 12:56:36 PM »
How interesting...What do you know more about her daughters?

Marc, you can find a lot of intersting informations in the book "the grand duchesses" from Take a look in the thread "book about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia"

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