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Rulers Prior to Nicholas II / Re: Maria Feodorovna-wife of Paul I
« on: March 13, 2005, 12:34:05 PM »
She was wonderful mother and wife.
The evidence of her wonderful character is that
nobody of her grand sons etc. changed nothing in her Palace Pavlovsk after her death.
Konstantinovichi lived there but changed nothing even in the beginning of the 20th century.
The way of her education of the girls were very high estimated by all royal families of the Europe.Her daughters were famous as the most good educated princesses.
She also was fond of  bone's engraving and watercolor paintings as well as she liked roses and gardens.

Her daughters, the most good educated princesses in Europe?... It seems, however, that her daughter Catherina (the Alexander I's favorite sister) was said to be very rude, impolite, and her behaviour was in a very bad way (Alexander I and Constantin was also said very very rude- above all Constantin) a story talk about that: " Tsar Alexander I joined his sister GD Catherine in London in june 1814.. the tsar took the lead from his sister Catherine and did everything possible to be rude to the Prince regent.. the tsar arrived several hours late for a court reception given in his honor...The climax came at a dinner when Catherine asked the regent to stop the band from playing "God save the King" on the grounds that it "made her sick". The insulting behaviour of both the tsar and the Grand Duchess damaged english-russian relations for many years to come"...

The Alexander Palace / Re: Life in the Alexander Palace
« on: March 13, 2005, 12:11:44 PM »
Alexandra had a bathtub. As childs, the children were allowed to take only cold showers  :o... and hot baths in the evenings as teenagers.. some entries in their diaries shows that  sometimes they were allowed by their father to use his swimming pool....  
Does anyone know how they kept clean?

I know Nicholas had a huge bathtub, which looks more like a small swimming pool.

I believe  Alexandra had her own bathroom next to her bedroom... what did it have?  a bathtub? a shower?

and also the GD, I think I read they had a bathroom in between the rooms... with a shower...

Would they have hot water???

Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Alix & Ella & the Hessian Siblings
« on: February 27, 2005, 02:58:26 PM »
I really don't see Ella being jealous of Alix being an Empress. If Ella had wanted to be an Empress she could have married Wilhelm of Prussia. But I don't think Ella was the type to marry to get to a "higher" position(Serge was way down the line for the throne)

Hmmmmmm, Do you really think Ella marry Serge by love? Serge was said at this time to be rude and haugthy... I am not sure a woman ( who doesn't know him a lot) will marry such a man by love....What thing push her to take this decision? nobody knows

Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Alexandra - Slandered and Hated
« on: February 27, 2005, 07:39:57 AM »
I think sincerely that if can the revolution must be put on somebody's shoulders, it's on the Alexander III's ... A very narrow-minded ,stubborn, low-spirited tsar, he is responsibl of the break between the russia's people and the monarchy.... he refused to evolute, refused to grant Russia with a constitution (which his father thought essential to preserve the monarchy), and most grave, he educated his son with these limited views.. Pobedonotsev and Alexander III threw the monarchy in the abyss....Nicholas, educated with these views, and with no other model than his father's rule had no other choices than ruling as an autocrat... He completed the monarchy's fall

Alexandra shared her husband's views but,in my opinion, she was a minor element as she had no political ambitions until 1915 when her husband asked her to replace him in the government....

Their World and Culture / Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« on: February 25, 2005, 07:36:06 PM »
Silly question  :-[, but I was just wondering...; In the Imperial court's balls how could the women dance with such heavy costumes? I often read that during the balls, women danced polonaise, mazurka, waltz and many of other lively dances and wore in the same time dresses embroidered with gold and silver, trains, veils, fans, a lot of heavy jewels, tiaras ect...

Do you think it possible to dance with such clothes and jewels? Did they take veils and trains off before dance? I am curious to know, having read nothing on that...

Rasputin / Re: Rasputin and Irina Youssopov
« on: February 25, 2005, 05:17:14 AM »
Merci beaucoup pour les photos, Lisa  ;)

What do you think of these pictures? I am not sure about Lili Dehn... I really think that it's irina on the first picture.. the woman has the same features than her(although a bit faster than Irina used to be)...I find no similarities with Lili Dehn

Rasputin / Re: Rasputin and Irina Youssopov
« on: February 25, 2005, 03:57:04 AM »
Sorry helen, I would like so much to post the picture, but I have no scan... :(  I can only say that the photo is in the book "Royal russia" ...Perhaps felix could post it?

I think it's doubtful for Lili dehn instead of Irina, the girl with rasputin and Anna looks like Irina tremendously and moreover, it seems to me that Lili dehn disliked so much Rasputin that she said firmly to the empress that she didn't want to meet him.... So, Lili dehn and rasputin had never met... And rasputin came in the palace so rarely than Lili has never seen him neither in tsarkoe selo nor anywhere else... Do you really think it's lili dehn?

Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Alix and Princess Zenaida Y
« on: February 24, 2005, 06:04:43 PM »
Alix and Zenaide were never good friends for the simple reason that Zenaide was a high element of the "old court" (so she was a close friend of Maria Feodorovna)... It results that as Alix was much critized by the dowager empress's relatives, she never wanted to be close with any of them...

nevertheless, Zenaide was a member of the very high nobility...So, I think she had certainly a lot of contacts with Alix in the formal occasions (balls, ceremonies ect...)..

About rasputin, it seems that Zenaide took the risk to talk to Alexandra, as a lot of other court's members... So Alexandra became angry and hatred Zenaide as a rasputin's enemy...You will have informations on this thread on the felix youssoupov's story "lost splendor" in

Rasputin / Rasputin and Irina Yusupova
« on: February 24, 2005, 08:04:07 AM »

I've read in the Robert Massie's book that Felix Yussupov used the fact that Rasputin had never met the beautiful Irina to attract him in the cellar of the Moika palace. Felix said :"Rasputin had long wished to meet my wife. Believing her to be in St Petersburg, he accepted my invitation"

BUT I have seen in the book "royal Russia" a photo in which Irina appears with Anna vyrubova and... Rasputin..  ???  So, it seems obvious that Rasputin and Irina had already met before the night of the Rasputin's murder...

Do you think it's possible there was a secret bound between Rasputin and Irina? A bound that even Felix Yussupov didn't guess.... Did Irina was a Rasputin's supporter (or even more, who know)?

The Alexander Palace / Photos of the IF in the AP's formal rooms?
« on: February 17, 2005, 03:43:50 PM »
Hello  :D

I have never seen photos of the IF in the parade rooms (semi-circular hall, billard hall, portrait hall ect....) I have seen only the portrait of Alexandra feodorovna on which she stood behind the beautiful chairs and palms of the portrait hall...

Did someone know such photos or pictures of the IF? during a formal luncheon for example... the IF has done so much photos during its life in the AP that it seems to me that such photos should exist somewhere.. so if someone have them, I will be glad to see them   :)

Having Fun! / Where would you have lived?
« on: February 05, 2005, 12:26:22 PM »
hi,... ;)

I am interested to know :

If you have had the opportunity to rule Russia at the beginning of the 20th century, in which palace would you have lived? Would you have prefered to live in Moscow or St Petersurg? maybe some of you would have created a new capital in Livadia  ;D  ... of course, I know that most of you will reply "the Alexander Palace" So, If you consider that Nicholas, Alexandra and OTMA would have never existed, could you really choose the AP?

For my part, I would have prefer to live at St petersburg, in the catherine palace, this palace is so amazed, and I have always been fascinated by this big Building in white and blue... I think it's the most beautiful palace in Europe....

What about you?

definitively "the lost world of Nicholas and Alexandra" by Robert Massie and Peter Kurth....I have learnt a lot of things I didn't know before,  particulary on the last days of the family.. and there are so much beautiful photos and illustrations..

Palaces in St. Petersburg / Re: Winter Palace, Guest Suites
« on: January 26, 2005, 07:41:10 AM »
I add that the foreigns ambassadors were not received in the Winter palace (used only by royalties) but in the Tauride palace in which a suite of rooms were reserved for them.... The Duma installed in the Tauride palace after 1905.

The Alexander Palace / Re: Virtual Tour of the Alexander Palace -- SIMS
« on: January 13, 2005, 03:56:56 PM »
HI   :) ;)

I have built this house a few months ago as I am a big fan of the SIMS. The fact that the palace is not accurate is not really the creator's fault.... she can only use the objects available on the she tried to reproduce the AP without having the exactly same objects, floors, wallpapers, doors, windows ect...  and the second difficulty is the size of the palace, she can't introduce all the rooms because of the ground's limit in the game... but the result is terrific in the game. On this site, you also have the catherine palace (wonderful) and on an other site, the kuskovo palace (from the same creator)

The Alexander Palace / Where do the AP's descriptions come from?
« on: January 11, 2005, 06:34:34 PM »
Hi  and happy new year to everybody  :D

I am more and more interested by the AP's descriptions which can be read on this site  (Portrait Hall,mountain hall, new study ect...) could someone know where they come from? In which book can I find all these comments? I had thought of one of massie's books.. but I only know "Nicholas and Alexandra" from this author... maybe BoB Atchison can  tell me more about it... thanks in advance ;)

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