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I am curious about Princess (Marie) Luise zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen (1867-1945).  She seems to have had an interesting life!

She was daughter of Prince Felix zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen (1818-1900) and his wife, Princess Alexandrine von Hanau (1830-1871), daughter of Friedrich Wilhelm, Elector of Hessen.  Luise was first married in 1886 to a much older widower, Prince Albrecht zu Waldeck und Pyrmont (1841-1897), who had children by his first marriage.  They had three children together, 2 of whom died in infancy, and one son, Prince Karl Alexander who met an untimely death at the age of 19 in 1910.  Based on her children and first husband's death birth and death information, I would imagine they lived primarily in Germany.  I wonder why her son Karl Alexander died?  Were there genetic issues involved with the deaths of their children? 

Somewhere around September (I'm guessing) of 1913 (at the age of 46!), she became pregnant again.  In December of 1913, she married the 33 year old George Granville Hope-Johnstone in Vierfontein, South Africa.  He was from an aristocratic Scottish noble family (who today are the Clan Chiefs of Clan Johnstone and the Earls of Annandale and Hartfell in the peerage of Scotland).  According to The Peerage website, he lived in Johannesburg, South Africa.  In June 1914, right as WWI was beginning, she gave birth to a son in Serfontein, South Africa, who was named William Augustus Ludwig Vernon Alexander Hope-Johnstone.  He was known as Vernon.  Sometime in 1915, Luise and George divorced.  I wonder where Luise and George met?  I wonder why they divorced?  Was it merely a marriage of temporary convenience or did WWI tear them apart?  I wonder where their son was raised and who had custody of him?

George died in 1938 in Nottingham, England.  Luise died in 1945 outside of Munich, Germany.  This means that they both left South Africa.  Their son Vernon Hope-Johnstone (1914-1993), went on to serve in the British military during WWII and was a Major-General in the Grenadier Guards.  He married the niece of the 10th Duke of Devonshire and has surviving issue.

I wonder what his relationship was like with his mother?  Were they estranged when she died in 1945?  It seems like Princess Luise had an interesting and often tragic life.  At 43, she had outlived her husband and all of her children.  She then moves to South Africa, marries again, and has another son, only to be torn from him by war....   I wonder how her family and her first husband's family reacted to her remarriage?

Here is an article from the New York Times, that mentions George Granville Hope-Johnstone....   I wonder if this is the same man?

I wonder if anyone has any other information about Luise and her life?  Does anyone else find this story intriguing?  Please correct any information that I've gotten wrong.

Karl Alexander died aged 19 in 1910 in Dresden, and is buried at the Johannisfriedhof. there was a newspaper article about the grave ( Sächsische Zeitung 29./30.März 2014). it said that his mother lived here at bottom appartment Cottage "Rothermundt" at Bodenbacher Str. 47 (destroyed 1945 - a park existst)

The ruby parure was left to Prince Nicholas of Greece by his mother Queen Olga of Greece. It seems Helen got to wear it before it was given to their daughter Princess Olga of Yugoslavia. Olga wore it to see Hitler in Germany, so this photo must sate before that.

Marina wore the tiara, too.
any news that the tiara was maybe from GD Ella?

Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Other Romanov Crimean estates
« on: April 22, 2013, 08:04:01 PM »
I took the pics without flash (which was not allowed) on a very sunny day.
the room whas occupierd then by a ballerina.
Harax is part of the sanatorium "Dnepro" and is normally cloesed for tourist visitors, but with good luck and (an open wallet) I could enter the house. and I never thought to see the Empress's room. the funiture is from sovjet time.
of course you can rent a room there (for a very lot of money)

Harax is no. 5 at the map

Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Other Romanov Crimean estates
« on: August 07, 2012, 01:31:22 PM »

balcony view over front door

view over the sea

Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Other Romanov Crimean estates
« on: August 07, 2012, 01:26:52 PM »

upper vestibule

glasdoor upper vestibule

room view

Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Other Romanov Crimean estates
« on: August 07, 2012, 01:23:57 PM »
here some new pics from mey visit July 2012 at HARAX

side view



Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Oreanda
« on: November 02, 2011, 06:26:30 PM »

does it have anything to do with the palace?

as think no, as the palace was destroyed in the 1880's. but the area is still called so, also some later built sanatoriums.

Olga Nicholaievna / Re: Olga Describes New York
« on: September 29, 2011, 11:56:43 PM »
Messrs is the abbreviation (pronounced "messers") for messieurs and is used in English; Messieurs is French; Messrs or Messieurs is a term used to address many men rather than "Mr Pink, Mr White, et al."

The Windsors / Re: Teeth
« on: September 14, 2011, 04:43:07 PM »

Be prepared to be shocked.  

I think thats not so shocking as you all think. I remember / and know I it still exists homeshoping catalouges and in the jewellery part you can find such jewels set with teeth of animals. I think it's a traditional thing from the mountain - forrest areas in Germany - may also in other countries.

it's called "grandel" here f. e. modern pieces

I thought it was simply "von Hesse".  Nicholas referred to her as "Alix H." in his diary in...what was it, 1892?  Where he confessed that his dream was one day to marry her?

The "von" is dropped in ordinary speech sometimes.

that's true. when reading her (and family letters) the "von" is always cut out and so we got Marie Coburg for the GrandDuchess Marie of Edingburgh, an Alexander Batternberg etc etc etc...and it's easier to know which of those many Alice's, Marie's and so on is meant.

The Imperial Family / Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« on: August 03, 2011, 05:44:24 AM »
Thankyou so much for posting this link. My passion is Russian jewellery and I was sad not to see more of it on display when I visited the Hermitage. I believe the display at the Kremlin is magnificent. I was enthralled to see a picture of the earrings worn by the Tsar's wife at their wedding-enormous bunches of ruby cherries/strawberries? with emerald leaves, so heavy that they have to be suspended from the ear by a wire which hooks over the top. Apparently they are the last piece of jewellery the bride puts on-and presumably the first she takes off!!!

when I remember right the Hermitage dosn't show much jewel items. in the State AAmoury is a showcase for Faberge. some Eastereggs etc. the Earrings (and some really impressive items) and the crowns are in the Diamond found.

the Sweden items have only cigrete cases, cufflinks and so on.

The Imperial Family / Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« on: August 02, 2011, 04:38:54 PM »
don't know. I got it on a disc.

The Imperial Family / Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« on: July 30, 2011, 03:50:29 PM »
On August 28, 2009, a Swedish public news outlet reported that Romanov family jewelry, found in 2008 in the archives of the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs, was returned. The jewelry was allegedly turned over to the Swedish embassy in St. Petersburg in November 1918 by Duchess Marie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin to keep it safe. The jewelry's worth was estimated to 20 million SEK  (about 2.6 million US dollars).[4]

do we have any photos of these?

I think the online catalouge is still on.. I remember I seen it, and every piece which was actionated.

You have put it so well.

Your insight into the conditions under which both women lived is amazing.

Alix did have the ability to ask for help and she wouldn't do it.  Perhaps pride got in her way or the ego involved in becoming Empress and believing that she was "superior" to all others just because she had married Nicholas and become Empress made her think that she needed no one on her side except her husband.

Marie Antoinette was very young and also very naive.  Her husband also did not have much experience and so both of them made many mistakes but not willful mistakes.

I do wonder if either Nicholas or Alix had any presentment that they and their family would be murdered or still had the hope that they would be rescued or set free?

You are right about Marie and Louis, they knew from the minute they were arrested and put into the Bastille that they would be executed and they did not have the luxury of having their children with them.

thats a good point. Louis and Marie Antoinette got a court process. of course it was clear what will happend - death. but Nicholas and Alexandra hastn't this. the only good point is, that the Imperial Family was togehter when theys died.

both couples had to pay for the mistakes of their predecessors and faults of the nobility. and both autocrats hasn't the skills which (may) were asked in those troubled times.

Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: voices of the Imperial Family
« on: July 29, 2011, 07:08:08 AM »
i'm sure that nicholas's french address is on youtube somewhere, which i find bizarre in itself, but i'm sure i remember listening to it.....
i'd love to know what alexandra sounded like because i'm sure that was one mixed up accent. by all accounts, according to lili dehn it was pretty english with a german edge thing going on, and i'm sure the years in russia had an it sounded pretty muddled :)

here the link
for the paris, 1902 speech

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