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I think the Orléans family has lots of interesting (and often sad) details to be told, especially in recent generations. I'd like to know what happened to Thibault, who died in Africa in 1983. I'd also like to know what "severely disabled" means exactly when talking about the present Comte de Paris' children Blanche and François (severely disabled, though François is still his father's heir). Was the late Comte de Paris, henri (1908-1999) at odds with ALL his children? I know he didn't get on with his son and heir and namesake Henri, and he disinherited two other sons for contracting unequal marriages. What about the daughters? Are all the children close? Can someone tell me about François Gaston's time in Africa, his death in 1960 etc.?

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The Final Chapter / Re: Pandemia  of Influenza in 1918
« on: April 17, 2006, 04:50:09 AM »
One theory is that the virus strain originated at Fort Riley, Kansas, by two genetic mechanisms — genetic drift and antigenic shift — in viruses in poultry and swine which the fort bred for local consumption.

But evidence from a recent reconstruction of the virus suggests that it jumped directly from birds to humans, without traveling through swine. This does not challenge the idea that the pandemic started with a Fort Riley cook. Indeed, the cook may have been preparing chickens when he contracted the virus.

In US, about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died.

The strain was unusual in killing many young and healthy victims, unlike common influenzas which killed mostly newborns and the old and infirm. People without symptoms could be struck suddenly and within hours be too feeble to walk; many died the next day. Symptoms included a blue tint to the face and coughing up blood caused by severe obstruction of the lungs. In later stages, the virus caused an uncontrollable hemorrhaging that filled the lungs, and patients drowned in their body fluids.

In fast-progressing cases, mortality was primarily from pneumonia, by virus-induced consolidation. Slower-progressing cases featured secondary bacterial pneumonias, while some suspect neural involvement led to psychiatric disorders in a minority of cases. Some deaths resulted from malnourishment and even animal attacks in overwhelmed communities.

While in most places, less than one-third of the population was infected and a fraction of that died, in a number of towns in several countries the entire population was wiped out. The only sizeable inhabited place with no documented outbreak of the flu in 1918–1919 was the island of Marajó at the mouth of the Amazon River in Brazil.

The Spanish Flu vanished within 18 months. The illness left as abruptly as it came.

(Source: Wikipedia)

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The Final Chapter / Re: Pandemia  of Influenza in 1918
« on: April 16, 2006, 04:48:58 PM »
Spanish flu apparently raged through Europe. The Allies of World War I called it the "Spanish Flu". This was mainly because the pandemic received greater press attention in Spain than in the rest of the world, because Spain was not involved in the war and there was no wartime censorship in Spain. Although the virus certainly did not originate in Spain, the country did have one of the worst early outbreaks of the disease, with some 8 million people infected in May 1918. It was also described as only "the flu" or "la grippe" by public health officials seeking to prevent panic. The social effects were intense due to the fast spread of the pandemic. Global mortality rate from the flu was estimated at 2.5% – 5% of the human population, and 20% of world population suffering from the disease to some extent. It spread across the world killing 25 million during six months; some estimates put the total killed at over twice that number, possibly even 100 million. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India's population at the time. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. The death rate was especially high for indigenous peoples; entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In the Fiji Islands, 14% of population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. In Japan, 257,363 deaths were attributed to influenza by July 1919, giving an estimated 0.425% mortality rate, much lower than nearly all other Asian countries for which data are available. CNN.com reported that historian John Barry wrote in his book "The Great Influenza" that Bayer aspirin was just hitting the market in the US at the time of the Spanish flu, but because Bayer was a German company and World War I was happening, many Americans distrusted it and thought that it was a form of germ warfare. It was reported that Barry further related in his book that this theory was even suggested by US government officials.

(Source: Wikipedia)

On a side note, The Duchess of Connaught, née Princess Luise of Prussia, died of Spanish Influenza in 1917. Hope it helps. Even a bit...

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Spanish nobility & aristocracy
« on: April 06, 2006, 06:15:01 AM »
I've read his book on The Family of Doña Sofía; it's wonderful, practical and full of lovely photos. I should like to congratulate him personally; it's curious because he studied Translation and Interpreting, which is exactly what I'M studying. Many aristocratic families have blood ties with the Bourbons anyway, I'm sure this new book is practical. I'll let you know if I find it.

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Isabel reigned for a total of 35 years (the first few during two regencies); on the whole I think that period was a disaster. Politically she was very unstable and was almost dethroned in 1854; Spain was hardly modernised at all while other countries like Great Britain or Italy where knowing advantageous changes.

Plus, the fact that she was a woman had prompted civil war ever since she became queen, and she remained quite unpopular; alas, she did little to solve the problem, and was often the subject to caricature. To this you have to add the comic figure of her feeble husband, Francisco de Asís, and the fact that she kept so many lovers that many of her children are thought to be the ultimate product of these extramarital relationships.

In fact, such is the inbred percentage of her children that it has been suggested that those that survived childhood were actually NOT the children of her husband (and not all of the same father by any means).

Her first child, a son, lived only a few hours, but was totally healthy. Unfortunately it was in breech position and may have suffocated during birth. For the occasion many courtiers had assembled to proclaim the child Prince or Princess of Asturias, regardless of its sex. A year later the Queen produced a daughter, Isabel (later Countess of Girgenti). In 1854 a girl, María Cristina, was born, but died shortly after her christening when she was just three days old. Here is a detailed list of Isabel II's children.

1. A son, sometimes refered to as Francisco de Asís or Francico de Asís Leopoldo; born on July 12 1850 in Madrid; he died the same evening. The Queen had gone into labour shortly before making her daily afternoon walk.

2. María Isabel Francisca (plus many other names), born on December 12th 1851 in Madrid; she married her distant cousin, Gaetano of Bourbon-Two Sicilies and became through marriage Countess of Girgenti. She was also twice Princess of Asturias (from her birth till that of her brother Alfonso, and from his accession to the throne in 1874 till the birth of his first daughter Mercedes). After her husband's violent death she continued to attend her public duties and died in Paris shortly after the proclamation of the II republic in Spain in 1931.

3. María Cristina was born on January 5th 1854 and died shortly after her christening three days later.

4. Miscarried child on September 23 1855.

5. Francisco de Asís leopoldo, born and died on 21 June 1856.

6. Alfonso XII, future King of Spain, born in 1857 and died of tuberculosis in 1885.

7.  María de la Concepción, born in 1859 and died in 1861. She died of internal brain stroke.

8. María del Pilar, born in 1861 and died in 1879 in Guipúzcoa.

9. María de la Paz (1862-1946) was married to her cousin Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria. Had three children. She died after falling down the stairs in Nymphenburg Palace, Munich.

10. María Eulalia (1864-1958) married her cousin Antonio, Duke of galliera. They had two sons before separating. Her behaviour was often the subject of criticism within the palace.

11. Francisco de Asís (24 January 1866 - 14 February 1866) was the Queen's last child. She was 36 at the time.

The Queen herself died of flue and chronic bronchitis in 1904, twoyears after her husband.

Hope it helps, though the facts may have already been submitted.

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BeNeLux Royalty / Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« on: February 19, 2006, 04:47:06 AM »
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King Léopold wished his daughters to make great matches to enhance the prestige of his house. Louise's marriage to Philip of Saxe-Coburg came rather as a disappointment to him and all his hopes afterwards centred on Stéphanie. He is said to have drafted a list of eligible princes to marry his daughter when Stéphanie was but a mere baby. Top of the list as the son of the catholic Austrian Emperor was Rudolf.



I don't think Leopold disapproved of Louise's marriage (if he had, I think, he wouldn't have permitted her to marry Philipp, as it happened later with Clémentine and the Bonaparte prince); Philipp came from the same line as Leopold's family, and was VERY rich, although not particularly politically important -but unquestionably well-connected, since his brother was later Tsar of Bulgaria and was the nephew of Ferdinand II of Portugal.

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BeNeLux Royalty / Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« on: February 19, 2006, 04:40:29 AM »
In a biography on Leopold II of the Belgians that I have, I've read that his personality derived from the treatment he got from his parents; when he was born, in 1835, his parents had just lost their first baby, Leopold "Babochon", who died of convulsions. He had been Leopold I's favourite child, and he loved the baby so much that he never again would bestowe so much affection on any other children he might have. When Leopold II was born, he wasn't expected to live, and his particularly ugly features (especially his long, characteristic nose) made him particilarly unappealing to his parents.

Leopold II was definately closer to his mother, but he still lacked the family affection most children need even at an early age. This fact haunted him all his life, which is why he wasn't particularly paternal himself toward his children, except towards the end of his life when he fathered two sons by a "Madame Caroline Delacroix", a prostitute -according to Wikipedia-.

His daughters were all very different from one another. Louise turned out to be frivolous; she had urged her sister Stéphanie to marry the Crown Prince of Austria, but after the marriage she got quite close to Rudolf, which explains why she and Stéphanie didn't get along too well after Stéphanie's wedding. However, both couples were quite close since Rudolf and Louise's husband were very good friends (it was Philipp of Saxe-Coburg who found Rudolf's dead body in Mayerling).

Stéphanie was overwhelmed by her marriage to Rudolf, but it remained an unhappy match during the short time the couple lasted together. She wasn't liked at the Viennese court; Empress Elisabeth foudn her plain and boring -it is well known Stéphanie was-seemingly at least- a very dull person. Emperor Franz Josef was too busy with political matters, though he did appreciate his daughter-in-law (and his granddaughter Elisabeth remained his favourite grandchild). She was estranged from her father after her marriage to Elemér Lonyay (he was created Prince in 1917), even though she tried to carry out a reconciliation at her mother's deathbed in 1902 (he refused to enter the room, and Belgian societ judged his reaction too harsh and unmerited, especially at such a time).

Clémentine was by all accounts Leopold II's favourite daughter, though she wasn't allowed to marry her love of her life, Prince Napoléon, until after her father's death. She was the only one who married the man she wanted, except from Stéphanie and her marriage to Lonyay.

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Italian Royal Families / Re: The Dukes and Duchesses of Parma - portraits
« on: January 21, 2006, 05:05:38 AM »
A few generations later Duke Roberto I, being still quite young, was overthrown; when he died in 1908, his "throne" passed to his eldest surviving son, Enrico, who was mentally retarded; when he died in 1939, his next brother became titular duke as Giuseppe I, but was also mentally retarded; he die din 1950 was was succeeded by his brother Elias, by then married and father of several children. Elias had been guardian for both his brothers and was to all effects duke of Parma during their "reigns". When Elias died he was "succeeded" by his only surviving son Roberto; when he died, the non-existent throne passed to the issue of Duke Roberto I's second marriage.

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I don't suppose Catherine carries out any duties at all of course, but has she ever been important after the Revolution, as in: did she keep in touch with relatives? I've never seen a photo of her I don't think, I imagine she keeps out of the way. Does she use the surname Romanov or that of her former husband?

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Princess Leonor and Infanta Sofia of Spain
« on: January 14, 2006, 02:29:47 PM »
I'm sorry to say that Spain's Royal Family's prestige is going down faster than we think. The ceremony wasn't at all like everyone expected, and should have been conducted in a more public way, not to mention the choice of names; I am sure more than one name should have beena dded to the already given Leonor, as it's happened throughout the times. Think twice next time Borbones...

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I think both lenin and Stalin must have felt their power fairly stable in the USSR... and if they wanted any of the Romanovs killed, in mi opinion they could have done it... look at how Staling had Trotsky killed, and in Mexico! I don't think Misha would have kept his identity a secret (if he escaped the USSR, ahd he lived); he would have inherited a fair amount of money and would no doubt be politically relevant... and I agree, the other Romanovs led public lives till their deaths, including the Tsar's sisters. Had he remained in Russia (had he lived) he would certainly have kept it a secret...

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LOL I think the idea of monarchy coming to France is ludicrous! Lunacy! France is the epitome of republicanism, it's Marianne, it's the Marseillaise, it's Madame Guillotine, it's Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette... in my opinion, if Luis "XX" or anyone else thinks truly that he is the rightful heir of Franc.e.. think again ;) It's like the Catholic pretender to the throne of England!

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I'd also like to know more of Beatrice of Habsburg-Este... and the only portrait I've ever seen of her is the one that's been posted.

Here's a photo of Maria Carolina of the Two-Sicilies, 1820-1861
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=es;m=IMH;d=1070463088;i=23649;k=/carolina.1.di_borbone

and her brother-in-law Fernando, who infected her and his brother (her husband) with smallpox. The three died within a very small span of time.

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sofia of Spain
« on: January 04, 2006, 08:06:54 AM »
My mom was at University in Santiago de Compostela and when I ask her what was the general reaction at Franco's death, she always says: "Corks flew out of windows".

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The Habsburgs / Re: Habsburgs and their relationship with Hungary
« on: January 03, 2006, 10:36:17 AM »
Not that many monarchies have a specific and fixed title for heir to the throne; in fact, I can only think of Príncipe de Asturias in Spain and Prince of Wales in Britain. Oh, and Dauphin in France of course, and Prince of Piedmont for the Italian Savoys. I don't know if "Tsarevich" can be considered a separate title. The Prince of Tirnovo is I believe always the crown prince in Bulgaria too. The rest seem to be Thronfolger, Kromprinz, Erbprinz, Prince Héritier and so on. Austria I think had no title according to the original Almanach de Gotha of 1902 I bought in Geneva last year :D

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