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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Tragic Bourbons

« on: January 03, 2006, 09:34:02 AM »

It has always been said that the car was actually being driven by Infanta doña Beatriz, not doña María Cristina.

Fur, in his recently-published book of memoirs, Count Alessandro Lecquio di Assaba, Beatriz's eldest grandson, says that his grandmother told him Gonzalo was actually driving the car and not her.

Arturo Beéche

According a book I have on Queen Victoria Eugenia "On August 13th, Beatriz (Beatrice) was driving (a) car with her brother Gonzalo. They were going back to the villa that their father had rented out in Portschach, on the edge of Lake Worther, in Carinthia, next to the Italian and Yugoslavian borders.
A sudden move by a drunken cyclist, Richar van Neumann, suddenly made Beatriz turn the wheel, but lost control of the car and hit the outside walls of Krumpendorf Castle, near Klagenfurt.
Apparently, according to a Klagenfurt doctor, neither driver nor copilot sustained any injuries. However, when they got to their villa, the "infante" complained of intestinal pains. They urgently called a doctor, who diagnosed a severe internal haemorrhage".

Ena was sent a telegram to France, and after a terrible journey she amde her way to her dying son, whom they called "the Einstein" of the family. He was buried in the local cemetery awaiting re-buriel elsewhere. After the funeral, the exQueen travelled to London with her daughters while Alfonso went to Rome, an evident sign of their matrimonial fracas.

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Tragic Bourbons

« on: January 03, 2006, 09:23:58 AM »

Women are not hemophiliacs, but carriers of the genetic disease.

Arturo Beéche

I know. Small mistake. Thanks for opening your eyes.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: The Anhalt family

« on: January 03, 2006, 09:07:08 AM »

Can anyone give the reasons of death of these six siblings? Two died in 1918 while "in office", I wonder if they suffered from stress? Being at war couldn't have been much help... BTW, did Eduard divorce his wife once he ascended the throne? Was it a troubled marriage? Not even wikipedia covers this family too deeply, not even the German version   Ella, Marlene, Art and others... please help!

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The Hohenzollern / Re: The Anhalt family

« on: January 03, 2006, 06:31:15 AM »

Wikipedia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/e/ea/Anhalt.png
(the photo is far too large to be poste dhere, as it spoils the whole set out of the page. Just click the link)
Anhalt between 1863 and 1942; the lands in green are I suppose those governed by the last Dukes up till 1918. Observe that they include Köthen, Bernburg and Zerbst, which were of course separate Dukedoms till the last male of each line died. Catherine II of Russia was born in Zerbst, so you are observing the land that saw her in her first years of life.

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The Hohenzollern / Re: The Anhalt family

« on: January 03, 2006, 06:22:52 AM »

I'd like to know a bit more about each Duke's political life (where they fairly megalomanical themselves like Kaiser Wilhelm II, or more peaceful like Ludwig III of Bavaria?), and also about each one's marital life, since some of them divorced their wives. Does anyone know anything about the last Duke, Joachim Ernst, who was but 17 years old when he ascended the throne? Ta

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The Hohenzollern / Re: The Anhalt family

« on: January 03, 2006, 06:06:21 AM »

I was going to start a new thread on the Anhalt-Dessau's but since they've been slightly tackled here I'll just post in this thread.

Leopold IV of Anhalt-Dessau (1794-1871, r. 1817-1871) was duke of Anhalt-Dessau; as from 1847 he was also Duke of Anhalt-Köthen, and in 1863 he inherited the dukedom of Anhalt-Bernburg. Thus, he became Duke of all the Anhalt lands, and his descendants reigned the lands until 1918. Leopold married Princess Friedricke of Prussia (1796-1850) in 1818 and they had four children; all bu a daughter survived; one was Princess Marianne, who married Fritz Karl of Prussia (that awful Prince that boxed his wife's ears when she gave birth to another daughter, and who was intensely disliked by his cousin's wife, Vicky, Britain's Princess Royal). The other daughter, Friedricke, married Ernst I of Saxe-Altenburg. Their eldest daughter married a Hohenzollern cousin.

The only son, Friedrich I of Anhalt (united Anhalt that is) was Duke from 1871 till 1904, year of his death. His family, from what I cans ee, is one of the saddest and unhappiest of all.

Friedrich's wife, Antoinette of Saxe-Altenburg, had lost her mother when very young. Antoinette and Friedrich had the following children:

1) Leopold (1855-1886); he died in Cannes when he was 31. His only daughter Antoinette married Friedrich of Schaumburg-Lippe (whose first wife and cousin, Princess Luise of Denmark, had died in 1906 either of meningitis or committed suicide). They had no children. Since he died before his father, Friedrich never became Duke of Anhalt and the title of Erbprinz passed to his next brother:

2) Friedrich II (1856-1918) is perhaps one of the least saddest of his siblings; however, his marriage to Marie Luise of Baden (1865-1939) left no children. He died on April 21st 1918, Germany being at war at the time. He was succeeded by his brother Eduard.

3) Elisabeth (1857-1933) was married to Grand Duke Adolf Friedrich V of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1848-1914). Their youngest son was killed by his brother-in-law in 1908 in a duel (his sister, Marie, divorced the assassin, and died in 1918 leaving two young infants). Another son, Adolf Friedrich VI, had to reign in Strelitz during the war years. He killed himself in February 1918, which brought the end to the Strelitz line of the Mecklenburgs. His sister Jutta married a prince of Montenegro.

4) Eduard I (1861-1918) married Princess Luise of Saxe-Altenburg. They were divorced in 1918 (I don't know if they did when he became duke, and decided to put an end to his marriage). Eduard inherited the dukedom of Anhalt in April 1918. On september 13th he died, leaving his 17 year-old son as Duke. The boy, Joachim Ernst I, reigned for less than 2 months, abdicating on November 12th. He died in Buchenwald in 1947, and according to my sources he was a Russian prisoner. Does this mean he was a prisoner of the Russians? He has descendants. Eduard's eldest daughter Marie Auguste married Prince Joachim of Prussia, son of Kaiser Wilhelm II and who comitted suicide too.

5) Aribert (1864-1933) who married (and divorced) Princess Marie Louise of Schleswig-Holstein. They begot no children.

6) Alexandra (1868-1958) married Günther von Leutenberg, whose mother was an Anhalt-Dessau herself (albeit via a morganatic branch, the "Grafs von Reina"). Alexandra's son Friedrich Günther married  Sophie of Saxe-Weimar in 1938, but had no children. He is therefore "ultimus familiae".

Quite a family huh??????????

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The Hohenzollern / Re: Fully extinct german royal families

« on: January 03, 2006, 05:42:02 AM »

As stated above, the Anhalt-Köthen and Anhalt-Bernburg lines of the Anhalt family became extinct in the XIX century. Leopold IV of Anhalt-Dessau inherited the dukedom of Köthen in 1847 and that of Bernburg in 1863; it was the last time the different Anhat regions were divided, and thus he became Leopold, Duke of (united) Anhalt. His descendants were Dukes of Anhalt.

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The Danish Royal Family / Re: Daughters of Frederick VIII & Queen Louise

« on: January 02, 2006, 04:44:30 PM »

Amorous and/or sexual relations between men and women are generally (and in my oppinion wrongly) thought to be something of today. I have a friend for instance whose great-grandmother (he says she was quite wealthy and was able to maintain a few maids) kept a woman in her service who eventually became her female lover! I don't know if royal ladies kept mistresses but I don't think it's such an amazing fact, nor do I think that every bachelor prince or spinster princess had homosexual inclinations necessarily... Personally I'm more interested in the political/historical side of royalty's life... gossip can remain in the anecdote section and the background...

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia

« on: January 01, 2006, 01:35:11 PM »

I'm sorry but I can't buy that, that the reuslts were manipulated, I don't see the logic of it all. I can't be that sceptical. Even if Anna Anderson (or any other claimant for that matter) strongly and positevely believed he/she was one of the Romanovs, the facts remains that they were all shot that night. That's that! It's a simple historical fact. I think that if we believe in survivors and fairy tales, it's because we've been watching kids movies like the recent Anastasia, or the other namesake with Ingrid Bergman. Really... just stop dreaming... They were killed... well, Nicholas had been a tyrant, so what? They lived their entire lives in luxury,a nd the people got their own way in the end, but let the story of Anna Anderson remain as such, as a STORY, which is what it is. There was no manipulation...

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The Danish Royal Family / Blixen-Finecke, Danneskjold & Royalty

« on: December 31, 2005, 11:56:18 AM »

Hi! I wonder if you could help me. I would like to know what the connection is between the following:

Karen Christience Dinesen, Baroness Blixen-Finecke after her marriage to her second daughter. From what I can gather, her father's aunt, Thyra Haffner, married Christian Krag-Juel-Vind-Frijs; their son Mogens married a Friedricke of Danneksjold-Samsoe; she was, I suppose, yet I don't know how, linked with the family that descends from Christian V of Denmark. I believe some of Christian V's Danneksjold's descendants also married members of the House of Schleswig-Holstein. Can anyone give me a helpful piece of info to see how Karen Blixen is connected with royalty (to the Danish royals, to the Blixens and to the Danneskjolds) please? Thanks, and this being my last post of the year:

Happy New Year to all!!!

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The Hohenzollern / Re: German Royals and Nazism/Royals and the Reich

« on: December 31, 2005, 10:34:25 AM »

I believe this subject ahs already been discussed either in general or in particular... search the page and forum or look through this section of German royalty; you may find things regarding the last kaiser's sons.

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #3

« on: December 31, 2005, 10:22:30 AM »

I wish the Bolsheviks had never killed the Imperial Family so we'd stop quarreling over such nonsense of photographs of people so wholly unconnected with royalty!

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Claimants of the Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich

« on: December 31, 2005, 10:16:33 AM »

I suppose that had Michael survived he would have made it public, unless he remained in the USSR and could not openly admit he was a Grand Duke (for obvious reasons). Nevertheless, if so little is known about his death (of which I know very little), and if his body along with his secretary's was burned, I suppose it'd be fairly difficult to find ashed in a forest, maybe a few feet below the ground...

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: 101 Reasons AA was GD Anastasia

« on: December 31, 2005, 09:58:59 AM »

Pleasssse...the DNA of AA did not match that of any relation of AN....and they looked nothing alike.....basta!!!

I'm sorry for not posting a reason but.. hear hear Etonexile!!! DNA PROVED PROVED (subtitled: PROVED) that Anna Anderson was NOT HIH Anastasiya Nikolaievna Romanov (b. 1901, with all possibility killed by Bolsheviks in 1918)   nor, may I had, was she even related to royalty, since the DNA showed absolutely no connection between her genes (which are even more characteristic than finger prints, let alone "scars, ear lobes, smiles, recognition by a family member or old friend, speaking Russian or (High) German or "distinctive Romanov eyes). I know we all want them to live on but for once and for all, admit the simple facts! There are many other Romanovs that survived, concentrate on them for example! (I'm not being rude, it's just nonsense talking about this for the zillionth time; fine, AA looked like Anastasia, but there are plenty of look-aliked, and she was perhaps one of the best confidence trikster in the world! I'd give her a 10, but still she cannot change the afct that she was NOT the Grand Duchess, even if she believed it herself, let alone her relatives or friends...)  

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The Myth and Legends of Survivors / Re: Claimants of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich

« on: December 31, 2005, 09:51:50 AM »

I'd have to agree with Mander. To my mind, it's impossible that anyone would have survived that rain of bullets and escape the ultimate bayonet stabs. If we do consider there WAS a bolshevik with a soft heart that spared one of the prisoners (a Bolshevik ready to kill a whole family and then show mercy for one of them???  :-/), I frankly doubt he would have spared perhaps the most important, or the seocnd most important member of the family: the Tsarevich. At any rate, if by some way (which hasn't been explained and may never be) Alexey managed to survive and later claim the throne, unless I am shown DNA evidence, I will still believe that all the prisoners were shot and stabbed that night of July 16/17 1918 in Yekaterinburg. This si certainly material for films

Cimbrio

PS-I cannot be sceptical about the aftc that Alexey ahd haemophilia. It quite probably that he did suffer haemophilia, and not only did the royal doctors say so but he showed eveyr symptom of it, as well as having several member sof the family that suffered the malady...