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The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) / Re: The Curse of Hesse

« on: September 06, 2005, 12:25:37 AM »

Perhaps because they were royals people decided it must be a curse like you said, bluetoria, but on the other hand their share of tragedies was uncommon to say the least. Just take look at empress Alexandra's life: she lost two siblings and her mother when she was 6 years old, she was hated by her husband's family, she was hated by most of her subjects, she gave birth to an haemophiliac son, she was very ill, she lost her throne, and finally she was executed with her husband and children. Now if you also take into account the tragedies of Ernie, Ella, Irene, etc. it's too much to say it's just a coincidence! I don't know if there was a curse, but they were too tragic to say it was a mere coincidence.

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French Royals / Re: Catherine de Medicis

« on: September 05, 2005, 11:43:58 AM »

Which Victoire?

Catherine's youngest daughter, who died when she was only 2 months old.

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Balkan Royal Families / Re: Balkan Nobility & Aristocracy

« on: September 05, 2005, 11:03:20 AM »

So Klara and her son were lovers... There was something wrong with that family.

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Henrietta Maria, Queen of the Cavaliers

« on: September 05, 2005, 10:59:28 AM »

Thanks, Prince. Do you know in which English palaces Henrietta and her family used to live?

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Henrietta Maria, Queen of the Cavaliers

« on: September 05, 2005, 10:51:24 AM »

I've always wondered what was her relationship with her children and grandchildren. Does anyone know this?

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Italian Royal Families / Re: Duke VITTORIO AMEDEO I of Savoy (1587-1637), and his family

« on: September 02, 2005, 01:15:01 PM »

I dont think Christine and Henrietta Maria didn't get on. They had a correspondence for years and Henrietta Maria sent portraits of her English family to Christine.

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen

« on: September 01, 2005, 04:54:26 PM »

I know her first son died aged 15 and drowned, but I don't know about the circumstances of his death!

In 1629 Elizabeth's eldest son Frederick Henry drowned in a boating accident. His father, King Frederick was devastated and never quite recovered his spirits, dying two years later.

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The Stuarts of Scotland / Re: Elizabeth Stuart, the Winter Queen

« on: September 01, 2005, 04:32:54 PM »

Frederick and Elizabeth were in love during all their lives. If I remember correctly, Shakespeare wrote The Tempest for their wedding, or at least, it was performed during the festivities.

Yes, Elizabeth died in London while visiting her nephew King Charles II.

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives

« on: August 26, 2005, 09:13:56 PM »

Thanks, Umigon. Perhaps they hated each other for political matters... other than that, I think it's hard to hate someone you've never met in person!  However, they could have met during the festivities of the marriage of Maria Carolina's brother Joseph and Maria Luisa's sister Isabella in 1760, though I'm not sure.  

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives

« on: August 26, 2005, 10:57:58 AM »

Her mother-in-law was horrified when Francesco wanted to marry her and stated that she didn't want 'the little bastard' having her son's legitimate children! Then, when Isabel arrived in Naples, María Carolina loved her very much and once wrote when she was expecting her first child (future infanta Luisa Carlota):

' My daughter -in-law- is a generous and loving young lady, it is not her fault she was conceived by Crime (she refered to Godoy, to whom many attribute the fatherhood of María Isabel and Francisco de Paula, although I don't think so...) and Evilness (she refered to Queen Maria Luisa)'

Thanks, Umigon. So it's true that Maria Carolina and Maria Luisa hated each other as it was stated in another thread, right? Why? Did they ever meet in person?

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives

« on: August 25, 2005, 12:22:24 PM »

In fact, yes, they were. While married to Francesco, María Isabel was a faithful and loving wife. It was after his death that her libido went mad! In 1833 she gave birth to her bastard, Enrico, and in 1839 her son, fed up of her scandals, married her off to Francesco del Balzo, an Italian noble. Under this new marriage with a man 16 years her junior, María Isabel became again the peaceful and loyal wife that she had been to her first Francesco!

Thanks again, Umigon. Another question: what was her relationship with her parents-in-law, King Ferdinand and Queen Maria Carolina?

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives

« on: August 24, 2005, 06:07:30 PM »

Well, Maria Isabel always was more a liberal than an absolutist, so her support was for her grandaughter Isabel II rather than for her brother Carlos María Isidro.

But María Isabel had no influence, she was Queen Mother when all the Carlist issue started and she was very busy with her official lover, Eduard von Schmuckher, her other lovers and her bastard, Enrico von Schmuckher.

She never had political ambitions so supporting her grandaughter instead of her brother was more a familiar issue rather than defending some type of political ideals!

Thanks, Umigon. I didn't know Queen Maria Isabel had lovers and a bastard son. Were all of her children by King Francis really by him?

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne and their wives

« on: August 24, 2005, 02:52:15 PM »

Umigon, do you know if Queen Maria Isabel of the Two Sicilies supported Isabella II or the Carlists?

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Spanish Habsburg Infantas

« on: August 23, 2005, 06:23:19 PM »

Certainly, the most inbred of the Hapsburgs was María Antonia, the daughter of Emperor Leopold and Margarita of Spain,

Imagine if Maria Antonia would have married her uncle Charles II and if they would have had any children. They would have been the most inbred royal children in history.
But Maria Antonia was healthy and normal, unlike her uncle Charles. Am I right, Umigon?

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Iberian Royal Families / Re: Spanish Habsburg Infantas

« on: August 23, 2005, 06:15:17 PM »

Gosh, the Spanish and Austrian Habsuburgs were so inbred. It seems like after Carlos V separated the Empire they spent years trying to unite it again by marriage!  

It was their purpose. The Spanish and Austrian Habsburgs wanted to remain close and keep their vast empire away from other rival dynasties, so they began to marry among themselves more and more frequently. But the result was that, after some generations, this inbreeding brought the Spanish Habsburgs to extinction! And ironically, Spain fell in the hands of the Bourbons, the Habsburgs' main enemies.