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French Royals / Re: HSH Prince Albert II of Monaco
« on: July 03, 2011, 01:22:05 AM »
This wedding was one of the unhappiest I've ever seen.  The groom's sisters appear to frown and look extremely distraught as they stood on the palace balcony.  The Prince was cool and detached during the entire public ceremony.   His kiss was anything but filled with passion for his new wife.  On top of that,  the bride broke down in tears as she placed flowers in a side chapel.   The whole affair was as stiff as a board.  Something was rather off key with this melody.  Oh well, I wish them the best.   

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French Royals / Re: HSH Prince Albert II of Monaco
« on: July 02, 2011, 12:54:51 AM »
News reports from Monaco seem to be saying that the Prince is the father of a baby that's rumored to be born very soon.  I suppose this will be his third child.  His fiance Charlene has also been notified of this and as of now has not commented in public.  My contacts in Europe also report that the bride threatened to call off the wedding but was dissuaded by distraught relatives from both sides of the marriage.  We all know the history of the Prince and take this in stride.  I wish them a long and happy life....including all the children, past, present and future.

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The Windsors / Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York Pt II
« on: June 15, 2011, 09:00:24 PM »
Poor Sarah....She has fallen and risen more times than the tide at the Bay of Fundy...

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Imperial Transportation / Re: Livadia: Russian Imperial Yacht
« on: May 29, 2011, 07:46:30 PM »
"Experience" in Sevastopol
"Experience." View from the nose

August 15 yacht went to Nikolaev, where he "disarmed." In September, her team went back to the Baltic Sea, replacing the Black Sea. Property and furniture began to slowly were took on the port warehouses, in the press boat delicately referred to as "the former ... yacht.
The official conclusion about the weakness of the design of underwater hull served as the verdict of a new type of vessel. However, this "weakness" was the only major consequence of a lack of boats: the case of heavy blows on a rampage, tagged in all swimming, but with the greatest force manifested in Biscay. This phenomenon, later known as "sleming" deprived "Livadia" seaworthiness.
Himself an inventor realized this is one of the first. Back in May, responding to a note by Admiral IA Shestakova, he frankly admitted: "this lack of ... I can say positively that a small deepening of the yacht, which led to its limited displacement is a mistake that I had not foreseen was the extent to which it affected the practice ...». In a personal letter AA Popov General Admiral says more precisely: "pitching boat because 1) small deepening 2) flat bottom, producing a phenomenon that other courts do not find in the size of what has the design of the yacht ... when pitching from the corners of 3 1 / 4 ° or more in the stern, the bottom of the bow laid bare, on which there are: a) committed the destruction of buoyancy bow section that generates a voltage across the yacht anchorage systems, and b) strikes the bottom of the wave .. so strong that both convenience and safety of navigation totally violated ... "

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Imperial Transportation / Re: Livadia: Russian Imperial Yacht
« on: May 29, 2011, 07:45:46 PM »
careful inspection, and Russian and foreign experts came to the unanimous opinion - the damage caused by the blows of the waves!
Repairs had to perform afloat by running the command ship of Mechanical Engineers: no European dock could not accommodate "Livadia", and Standfilsky at this time only the retrofit in Sevastopol for the reception of the yacht.
Only seven and a half months of corrected yacht left the Spanish port, continuing April 26, 1881 its transition. Now it was headed by Vice Admiral I. Shestakov. They walked slowly and cautiously, taking cover from the weather by the shore or in ports. Morning of 27 May "Livadia" entered the Sevastopol bay. 3,890 miles, it broke a 381 running hours, spending more than 2900 tons of coal. A special note IA Shestakov said ease of control boat, the straightness of its speed, comfort and lack of pitching. However, he stated that, regardless of speed, even with a slight swell "twitched from blows to the cheeks pancake, and for head-sea" blows his nose was very palpable, with the superstructure "walked" (vibrate). Nevertheless, the admiral thought well and carefully made yacht worthy to exist, but ... after the tests "under all circumstances, the sea and the weather."
Yet determined its destiny, "Livadia" fulfilled its unique, as it turned out, the voyage across the Black Sea. May 29, under the flag of the chief commander of the Black Sea Fleet, she moved to Yalta and taking on board the Admiral General and his brother, Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolayevich, went to Batum, where he returned three days later. Passengers are not so lucky: the sea storms and add-shaking shock waves in a pontoon.
In mid-June, the boat picked up in Standfilskom dock, where she visited members of the committee appointed the new head of the Navy Department Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich. Following an established yet in Ferrol opinion, the commission acknowledged that the injuries received from the yacht blows waves and considered a pontoon hull design, especially in the bow, poor resistance to these attacks. In the MOTC agreed with these findings and prescribed "for safe navigation" to replace any damaged parts with new with increased recruitment into the nasal tip.
In the three weeks stay in the dock underwater part of the pontoon just cleared of shells and greenery, and then re-dyed. Repair work not performed, imposed only three bars on the detected cracks sheet cladding. By this time the leadership of the ministry decided to hold a new yacht for sea trials of a specially designed instruction.
From August 3 to 12 "Livadia" 136 times has passed dimensional mile at Sevastopol. Was removed 312 charts, draft and trim carefully maintained. Before the breakdown of the maximum stroke the boat was prepared for several days, but to reach the 15 knot speed was not possible. At the highest power of advanced machines (9,837 hp..), The average speed was 14.46 knots. Such an affront caused confusion in the ranks of the Commission, it came to charges of defrauding the builders. However, committee member Captain 2 rank G. Vlasov thoroughly proved inaccurate manual testing and lack of skills at the machine instruction to maintain full steam boilers. MTC has supported Vlasevo, noting, in addition, poor quality of coal used. Managing the Marine Ministry, drawing attention to the difference power level during testing in England and Russia have reached 2500 liters.with., angrily remarked that this fact "completely destroys all sorts of calculations and considerations when designing our new ships with a known task.
   

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Imperial Transportation / Re: Livadia: Russian Imperial Yacht
« on: May 29, 2011, 07:45:00 PM »
Here is an article written at the time the yacht was constructed in 1880  It is presented here in three parts.  This is a voyage from Scotland to Sevastopol
Driving on the Black Sea was planned as an educational and sail "with the only development of power machinery - reported in August, AA Popov, -" to enable all machines to personnel calmly look around and become familiar with the operation and management of machines. " After cooking, October 3, the yacht left Grinoksky raid. On board as honorary guests were shipbuilders Pierce, Tideman, and Reed, as well as the controller of the British Navy Admiral Stewart. In Brest, climbed aboard the Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich, and under the general-admiral's flag, "Livadia" moved on Oct. 7, through the Bay of Biscay in Cadiz. By this time, her cake was: 2,9 m nosed, stern - 3,0 m (including secondary, sunken, deadwood - 5.44 m).

The steamer "Experience" (The former yacht Livadia)
Until midnight on October 8 march took place in favorable conditions, at a rate of 12-13 knots. Risen rapidly during the night the wind grew stronger, spreading a strong oncoming swell. With two o'clock in the morning on October 9 waves began to beat in the bow of a pontoon boat - initially rare, these attacks with increasing wind and wave height increased. Progress had to be reduced to 4-5 knots. But strikes continued. Very cautious in their assessments of Reed wrote: "The pounding waves in flat bottom boats were horrible at times ..." About the same reported in the report and IK Vogak: "... One of them was particularly strong, performing the all impression of a collision with a solid object ... "At 10 o'clock in the morning found that the first double bottom compartment was filled with water, quickly had to change course and head to the Spanish port of Ferrol.
According to eyewitnesses, the wave height reached 6.7 m, with the roll did not exceed 3,5 ° aboard, and pitching - 9 ° in the extent of 5,5 ° to 3,5 ° nose and aft. Screws never denude. "The yacht did not fall - reported to the commander: tableware and high candelabra were motionless in calm, no soup in a bowl, no water in the cup has never leaked.
How, then, "Livadia", led by experienced sailors, came into the center of the storm, and even went against the waves? This is all the more puzzling, since its board were shipbuilders, implying a further test that the yacht is good "when the waves are not too large quantities." As noted by a member of the selection committee captain 2 rank VP Verkhovsky "yacht was never intended for the ocean voyage, and therefore to judge her qualities rather the Black Sea ... her in any case no reason to even on the Black Sea daily by heavy storms. The biggest transition from Odessa to Poti ... yacht will easily 30 or 35 hours, and of course there will be no extremes leaving the port in the most storm ... "
Reid refers directly to the general-admiral, who, he said, believed that one should not lose an opportunity "to make a thorough test of the yacht so we headed into the maw of Biscay gale. About the same, but more diplomatically, and Verkhovsky wrote: "were willing to meet ... a good storm, I wish that we trepnulo to the wind and sea were stronger ...but without it ... and complete opinion about the qualities of the yacht can not ...». Sam is the head of the campaign decided on a "test" or he has helped and advised, remained unknown.
In Ferrolskoy bay divers found in the bow of the pontoon, with the left side, 5-foot dent with gaps and cracks in the cladding sheets, bent and broken frames. Have been dumped five on-board and one double bottom compartment. Initially, the cause of injuries considered a collision with floating debris, about what and sent a message to the "Official Gazette", but after

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The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: May 26, 2011, 04:57:51 PM »
Chris, I suggest that that people take a close look at the video link I posted above and come to your own conclusions.

From what I have heard,  the President is advised on protocol all the time.  The problem is that he doesn't listen or remember it.  I suspect he feels he's above such matters and  now we have film proof  of it with his performance at the Queen's table.  He should become an actor.  His attitude as portrayed was Oscar material.

 His grandparents treated him like Little Lord Fauntleroy.  Sent him to expensive private schools and colleges, always paid his way, etc.  Nothing wrong with that.  The only problem  is that his actual identity has come into the light of day and it will be his eventual undoing.

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The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: May 26, 2011, 02:55:31 PM »
And there is the stark difference between Monarchy and a Republic! However any gaffes there may have taken place,  been may be forgiven due to our special relationship.
R. i.

Quite so, while the media (and me as well, for that matter) made a big deal of the issue, it truly was merely an unintended gaffe which pales in comparison to the many good images that this visit has offered.  

For my part, I apologize for my strong reaction, which was not because the President flubbed the toast (it happens), but because he continued to speak over the anthem instead of just falling silent.  I hold my anthem quite sacred, and bristle when people show disrespect during it by talking, eating, clapping etc.  So when I saw my president appearing to treat God Save the Queen like background music during a State Banquet and standing next to the Queen, I cringed in embarrassment.  Enough said on the matter.

Sadly Mr. Obama has no idea what a national anthem is, even his own.  His whole attitude was clearly revealed after the Queen properly refused the initial toast while God Save The Queen played.  He instantly put on his most extreme pout face, stuck his nose in the air and glared at the audience.  Think about it.  He was the invited guest of honor and he acts like a spoiled brat.   It was chilling.

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The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: May 26, 2011, 03:30:40 AM »
Perhaps, although having watched the president speak, I was left wishing that his protocol officers would had reviewed his speech ahead of time.  Perhaps somebody might have informed his speech writer that the words  "Her Majesty The Queen" is supposed to be the END of the toast.  

Upon hearing those words, the obviously well-trained palace orchestra promptly struck up God Save the Queen - yet the President just kept talking for another few sentences - and ended up talking OVER the anthem.  Bad form Mr. President.

The director of the band thought the President had finished his speech,which was not the case,hence the mishap with the Anthem.
That's all that happened.The poor director received some "headwind" for the gaf yesterday no doubt....

But then people seem to easily wander off to their own wrong perceptions.... ;D

The bandmaster is not at fault.  I explained this above.  The President actually made two mistakes.    The Pres. had finished his speech.  Then he asked all to rise.....and that is where the problems began.  From that point on, the Pres, was a bit lost as to the proper procedure......

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The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: May 25, 2011, 05:27:38 PM »
According to Debrett's, official protocol / etiquette dictates that in carrying out a toast to the Queen, the toaster will rise and request the audience's attention. Once accomplished and the guests are standing, the host raises his or her glass and recites the title of the person being toasted, without any other words or music.   So for example:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, Her Majesty The Queen." or
"Ladies and Gentlemen, Her Majesty The Queen, Head of the Commonwealth."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, Her Majesty The Queen, Duke of Lancaster" (in Lancaster)
etc.

The same official etiquette exists in the US.  The US armed forces toast to the president is simply "The President of the United States."  So this is not something the President should be unfamiliar with.

The error was that the President should not have planned to say anything else after reciting the toast.  Even the orchestra knew that, and that's why they struck up the anthem the moment they heard those words.


OK, then the bandmaster properly assumed the President was not going to "add"  something to his toast and therefore he began the anthem.

 From what I have heard, toasts to the Queen are  by protocol to be very short, as in "A toast to The Queen."    The toast is not supposed to be another speech.

The President also made a second mistake in asking that glasses be raised. One would raise glasses after the Anthem?

I assume the Queen had heard his command to raise glasses and she turned to him and told him to put down his glass!  I guess the Pres. staff had not rehearsed him or he did not understand his card notes on  the order of events.  Even the palace should should have asked if the Pres. had been told the protocol for a toast.  I would imagine the Queen was not perturbed.

We're all practicing this at my home this evening here in the US.

I toast you Chris for your attention to detail in this matter.....!

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The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: May 25, 2011, 03:11:39 PM »
Thanks Eddie and Chris for your input.

here is the video......the Toast begins at around the 4 min mark,

http://youtu.be/YG7VSt0_VcU

You can also hear the Queen say something to the Pres.  when he first turns with his glass to the Queen..."Put it down".

I would like to know at what point the Anthem is supposed to be played?   Is it after the Pres. asks all to stand  [do they then have a pause for the Anthem?] and then the formal Toast?  Or is it after the Toast?  You always stand for any Anthem, so it appears that the President should have waited for the Anthem to start & finish.  To me it appears the Pres. was in error,  not the bandmaster.

 I don't like to make statements not knowing the exact protocol for the Toast and the playing of the UK Anthem. Could someone please post the exact protocol or what the protocol should be.


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The Windsors / Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: May 25, 2011, 10:28:48 AM »
Perhaps, although having watched the president speak, I was left wishing that his protocol officers would had reviewed his speech ahead of time.  Perhaps somebody might have informed his speech writer that the words  "Her Majesty The Queen" is supposed to be the END of the toast.  

Upon hearing those words, the obviously well-trained palace orchestra promptly struck up God Save the Queen - yet the President just kept talking for another few sentences - and ended up talking OVER the anthem.  Bad form Mr. President.

Obama is totally clueless.  He stood up and spoke "Her Majesty The Queen"...all stood.  The band played the UK Anthem as is proper.  The ignorant President then began his Toast speech with the anthem playing as "his background music".  The audience was stunned.  Her Majesty had a look of horror on her face as did Camilla and Prince Phillip.   While the UK anthem, God Save The Queen, was still playing he turned to the Queen with his raised wine glass.  She looked and ignored him.  He then sheepishly put his glass down and stood with an annoyed pout on his face.  When the music ended he again turned to the Queen with his  raised glass.  The Queen graciously smiled and the President merely put down his glass without a sip.

Obama has no respect for national anthems.  He often does not even salute his own US anthem.  I agree with Chris....bad form to put it mildly.

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Imperial Transportation / Re: Polar Star - Photos
« on: May 12, 2011, 07:24:21 PM »
As I stated earlier this is the Polar Star.  [Please read the earlier posts.;-)]  Mothers always consider their sons to be little boys.  Also, she wouldn't have taken such a familiar pose on board the Standart.

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The pervailing rule, seems to be; those who were there, at the wedding, were either related to the family OR representing  de-facto ruling houses [ruling royals].
 Defunct royals, played no part in a  semi-state, family wedding.
 One more point- we have no idea as to  just who might have been invited,, but sent regrets.

I did read that Crown Prince Naruhito and his wife, Crown Princess Masako of Japan did not attend due to circumstances in their homeland.

There were several substitutions.  I heard that the Queen of the Netherlands was invited but declined. I believe Crown Prince Willem-Alexander and his  wife Princess Maxima did attend but I'm not sure of this.

Yes, John, as to 'regrets'?  I'm sure that someone has reported this....somewhere.

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The Windsors / Re: Royal Interiors, Part II
« on: May 01, 2011, 03:05:00 PM »
Here you are, but since they keep adding photos, the page number does change -
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishmonarchy/page8/

Thanks for the link....yes, they are really spectacular.

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