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Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Who is ”old Jack”?
« on: May 05, 2011, 05:38:15 AM »
It has been a while since I last visited this thread. I'm really glad to see al the the new posts and suggestions. Thank you very much for them.

It must be remembered that the postcard once belonged to Princess Viktoria of Prussia (1866-1929). It is impossible though to say how she came across it.
Do you think there is any possibility that Alix was addressing Vicoria when writing "To dear old 'Jack'"? Did the two cousins know each other well?

I must say that I find the suggestion of Grandduchusella very interesting. Maybe Alix was writing to her cousin Prince Henry of Prussia, and maybe the postcard somehow ended up with his sister Victoria. Did Henry and Victoria get along well?

Alexandra Feodorovna / Re: Who is ”old Jack”?
« on: May 03, 2010, 02:23:42 PM »
Dear all,

It's been a really long time since I last visited this homepage. Reading the discussion again about who "Old Jack" might be is absolutely fascinating! Thank you all so much for your contributions, and especially Griffh whose work here has been outstanding.



Yes...but her last words was Sasha according to some book... ???

Sasha was Alexander Zoubkoff's nickname.

The Hohenzollern / Re: End of the Monarchies
« on: December 03, 2007, 04:38:57 PM »

Thank you Grandduchessella! It is an amazing photo.

To Grandduchessella:

You wrote earlier that the postcard was "large-sized". Is it not possible to post it in bigger proportions? It is very nice as you see the wedding guests as well!

Grandduchessella wrote:

"I have a large-size postcard of the wedding but I don't think I could get a blow-up better than yours."

I would really appreciate if you posted your large-size postcard :)

Yes...Tragically, just as Moretta was able to sink her teeth into the role, it was awarded to another relative. She did had tough luck.  :(

Gratuitous as it is when people inherit official positions, maybe it was good luck, if it is true (as have been suggested here) - that Moretta "wasn't overtly intellectual".

I think Moretta would have been happy had she been blessed by children. As her husband died early, she was like a ship without a port, someone without direction in life.  :(

How sad that she needed a man to help her direct her life. Luckily women of today are more independent, and many men less oppressive.

Here is an interesting article (two pages) from Nov 5 1929 about Victoria's death. The author has chooses to portray both Mr. and Mrs Zoubkoff in the usual way, describing Mr. Zoubkoff as former gigolo and pimp and and giving him a fake identity as "the son of a cobbler". I wonder where he got all information about Zoubkoff's background, from a time when he was known by few, from...  So far so good. Then he chose to go against the stream and write that Moretta died at a hospital and that her sister was by her side. He also writes about things written in Mrs. Zoubkoff's diary. I wonder where he got hold of the diary?,9171,738114,00.html

I know that facts (in this case not fiction) sometimes can be unpleasant, but please, tell me. What makes it odd? Is it too liberal?  :)

The Great Hohenzollern Scandal was published in 1965.

Jannet_W wrote:
"of course it would behoove the family of her husband to fawn over her and bend over backwards to be nice to her"

Who and exactly what are you talking about?

Jannet_W wrote:
"Would this person fall in love with me and want to stay with me if I didn't have my wealth/title/station in life? Would he/she even deign to speak to me if I was of middle or lower income and without connections to the wealthy and/or exaulted?"

Good question, I don’t know the answer to this one. I know though that Zoubkoff before meeting Victoria was engaged with a Swedish waitress, who was younger than he was – she tragically died. His disillusion after her death might have driven him to search for love in a completely different surrounding. I don’t know, though, and I never will either.

Jannet_W wrote:
"We should all be wary of "confidence games," but those with financial assets and/or social connections need to take particular care."

I think, particularly, that those with a lot of money should live their lives in a responsible way, and try to use their wealth to help others.
A side track: Have you ever thought about where Victoria's heritage originally came from? Her and her family's wealth was the price the German people (and other peoples suffering under oppression) had to pay for having a royal family. Their possessions were the result of the unpaid work of their fellow-countrymen, spoils of war, and taxes; what we today pay in tax to help the poor etc, was then paid to help the royal family. Their richness was the direct cause of peoples suffering - just think about what their money could have done if it was evenly distributed among their people, instead of used to finance wars and gormandizing. In those days the arguments that were used to legitimate injustice, was that the King was king because God wanted him to be.

Poor Moretta, poor Alexander, poor us human beings - poor world. Who our true heroes are is difficult to know. Norms of the pasts have become lies of today. Loved leaders and heroes are now despised and their actions seen as indefensible.

Here is an interesting article from 27 October 1932 (I believe it was published in Luxemburg Wort). It shows how facts were fabricated, during the time before the Second World War, to serve different purposes. In this case how stories about Alexander Zoubkoff were invented to to add even more hard feelings to the conflict between Germans and Poles.

Don't miss the last four lines!

Oh, I don't think my documents and pictures can give a complete and trustworthy reflection of it all either, but of course it is worth considering them when doing research. As I wrote earlier, Zoubkoff's nephew in Russia (Igor), might also have inherited documents and photos from Mary Zoubkoff, or have heard interesting facts about what happened (he was born after the death of Alexander though, and was only about 10 when Mary died).
Then, what would be necessary to do is to search through archives...

A good start to learn more is to read Alexander's and Victoria's memoirs. They can be found on  by searching on "Mein Leben und Lieben"  and "Was mir das Leben gab".

Once people said that long noses was a sign of greed and that black skin was a sign of savageness. Now someone say that eyes can reflect trustworthiness. A completely worthless and foolish statement. History repeats it self.

By the way, by saying that Zoubkoff's eyes can reflect that he is not to trust, you say so of many of his family members as well. Their eyes were quite similar - see e.g. the photo of Alexanders father, which I have posted!

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