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The Windsors / Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« on: April 02, 2011, 06:07:32 PM »

One of my favorit photographs: HM King George, HRH Princess Victoria (Toria), HM Queen Alexandra, her sister Maria Feodorovna, HM Queen Mary.

The Windsors / Re: George and Marina, Duke and Duchess of Kent, Part 2
« on: April 02, 2011, 06:05:15 PM »
The Lovely, elegant and fashionable Princess Marina Duchess of Kent from the Chicago Tribune. I just love her elegant outfits and beautiful hats and furs. Especially the thirt outfit is stunning and look at the outfit in the ninth picture. Beautiful. She has some great hairstyles too. In the seventh picture she is wearing a diamond star in her fashionable hairstyle. I wish there would be an exhibition of her clothes someday.

I think the last photograph was taken during a memorial service for the Duke of Kent in 1942. It seems she is crying. So sad.


This is the most wonderful state-portrait I ever saw of Princess Helena-Victoria and I'm so happy to share it with you. It's from the Chicago Tribune from 1937.

Just look at that elegance and the beautiful jewelry. Finally a clear picture of 'Thora' with her tiara and other jewelry. I just love the pearls, the fur and the lovely brooch. So don't tell me the woman wasn't every inch a princess. Was this the tiara that was inherited by Lady Patricia Ramsay? I think this portrait was taken in connection with the coronation of 1937.

The Windsors / Re: Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone
« on: August 25, 2010, 03:40:06 PM »
From British Pathe some lovely images of the visit of Queen Wilhelmina towards King George VI, Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother) and the British Royal Family in 1946. Queen Wilhelmina brought from Holland a gift of 36 horses for the Household Cavalry. This gift was a way of showing her gratitude for the support and hospitality the British King and Queen gave her during the War - that just had ended the previous year. You can clearly see in the pictures that Queen Wilhelmina turned into a old and tired Queen. The pain of the War did not leave her untouched. Just an old tired lady hidden in her fur and hat.
Princess Margaret seems to have a nice chat with the old Queen. Her cousin Alice looks really elegant in her outfit - same goes for Queen Mary. Both ladies were a great support during the War for the Queen of the Netherlands. Wilhelmina does not inherited the (family) charm that Princess Alice seemed to make such a pleasant person to see and to be with. But the cousins were very close - as Alice was very proud of her strong-headed cousin Wilhelmina. Great to see them together.

The Windsors / Re: Princess Royal, Princess Anne
« on: August 16, 2010, 12:08:02 PM »
Yes she reminds me of those two very much Speedycat. Aldo more Princess Mary than Vicky, and she resembles the Princess Royal in between (Louise Fife) at some points too. Louise wasn't the ''fashion icon'' either. Certainly not when she got older.

Beautiful portrait kmerov. Thank you very much for sharing. The (colour) photograph is great too. Is it a coloured photograph from Victoria's time or was it later colourized?

The Windsors / Re: George and Marina, Duke and Duchess of Kent, Part 2
« on: August 10, 2010, 03:56:46 PM »

Here is a little ''interview''  from British Pathe with princess Marina in Paris just after shopping and just before she traveled to England to get married to the prince George. I just love her outfit she put on for this small interview and her accent is charming too.

Did Ingeborg blame her son-in-law for the dead of her daughter? Because he was the one who drove the car...

I don't think she and Carl did. It always appeared to me that they didn't seem to have the characters to be bitter either. Atleast that is the conclusion I made when I read the following introduction written by both Ingeborg and Carl in a beautiful memorial review about Queen Astrid of 1935 I own.

''When we, Queen Astrid's parents, accompanied our daughter, as your Kings wife, to her new home, nearly nine years ago; her father said that we could leave our beloved child to her husband and to the Belgium people, with joy and entire confidence.

This confidence has never for a single moment been betrayed. Much more, from the moment our dear Astrid set foot on Belgium soil, the whole nation has surrounded her with a love which grew in strength and warmth with the years passed.

Nobody better than us, her parents, know that the people's love and confidence in her desire to give herself entirely to her new country, gave her strength and made her happiness as wife and mother complete, and nobody knows better than us that this happiness remained clear and lasting.

Nobody will wonder therefore that we should consider it a dear duty to bring the Belgian people our deep and heartful thanks for the love which they always surrounded our beloved daughter.

Your dead queen from her Nordic home, loved Belgium. The love of the nation found an echo in her warm young heart. Great is our sorrow, but greater still is our sympathy for your young king and his little children, and our gratitude to him for everything he was for her, and for the great happiness he gave her.

Carl & Ingeborg (signatures)''

What I do wonder when I read the above phrase is what Carl and Ingeborg thought of the second wife (Lillian) of Leopold?

The Danish Royal Family / Re: Prince Axel of Denmark and his family
« on: August 01, 2010, 03:55:29 PM »
Great photograph KarlandZita! You can see a portrait of Queen Astrid of Belgium nee Princess Astrid of Sweden in the right corner above.

If you think about it and you start to analyse the photograph of Maria Feodorovna with Lovisa and her brother Frederick VIII in it, you could see the symbolic behind the strained relation between Maria and her sister-inlaw Lovisa. The both sit in the corner of the tribune (far apart) both looking in a other direction (Lovisa looking to the right and MF looking to the left). Frederick VIII looks at his wife - but stands closer to his sister - he is really caught in the middle. Funny it so typically shows the family-relation. Thank you for the great pictures kmerov!

Thank you Veronica! Your pictures are nice too!

I have inspected Queen Marie of Romania's funeral wardrobe and habits and she has been photographed in ''white-mourning'' too. Also in a combination whit both black and white, but not like Louise-Franciose de Bourbon she choose black as the preminent colour.

Queen Marie in a white mourning outfit (1929)

Queen Marie in a combination mourning outfit (1928)

''The Two Queen Marie's'' (1928)

Yes it's defenitly is! So thats why I posted some pictures and stuff on the royal mourning customs in the ''Their World and Culture'' thread.

The Queen Olga and her dolls story sound indeed a bit made-up, but Prince Michael of Greece told this anecdote in the brilliant documentary ''A Royal Family'' by Marcus Mandal & Anna Lerche. I give you a link towards the trailer of the documentary were you can see Prince Michael telling it himself. So it must be true?


The complete opposite can be seen during the funeral of Queen Emma of Orange-Nassau nee Waldeck-Pyrmont - mother of Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands - in march of 1934. On Wilhelmina's left you can see her youngest aunt Elizabeth zu Erbach-Schönberg and on the right Friedrich zu Waldeck Pyrmont. Both of them were a brother and sister of Queen Emma. Elizabeth was only seven years older than her niece Wilhelmina and died a just a year before Wilhelmina in 1961. A other welknown sister of Queen Emma was Helena of Waldeck-Pyrmont who had married Prince Leopold  in 1882 - the son of Queen Victoria and the Duke of Albany - their daughter Alice was a cousin of Wilhelmina and a close relative to the Dutch Royal Family. Helena had already died in 1922.

Official portraits of Queen Wilhelmina in her ''white mourning outfit'' during the mouring period after her husband's death in 1934. Pearls were known as the ''tears of the sea'' so perfect as mourning jewelry. Fur was also known ''as not to mourn'' so that's why fur can always be worn during moruning periods.

Yes, thank you for bringing the white-mourning question to this specialized thread about mourning customs.

Like Eddie told about white-mourning being a custom of the medieval queen was completely unknown to me. I was also not aware that the Queen Mothers ''white-wardrobe'' was originated from this same custom. I knew it was an alternative way of mourning for her mother, but I never knew the idea behind it. I just thought the dressmakers and Queen Elizabeth had to find a quick alternative for her dresses because Elizabeth's mother had suddenly died and black was not the right representation in the difficult times before the war. Or so I read in the information of the Royal Collection:

''At a time of political turmoil, the State Visit was intended to reinvigorate the entente cordiale and to reinforce Anglo-French solidarity against Hitler's Germany. Five days before the date of departure for Paris, Queen Elizabeth's mother, the Countess of Strathmore, died and the visit was postponed by three weeks until 19-22 July.  Hartnell had to remake the Queen's wardrobe in its entirety, substituting 'many lovely colourings' with something more appropriate to the period of Family Mourning.  Black was not a practical choice for the height of summer and seemed inappropriate for the mood of the time.  The couturier's last-minute suggestion that white might be a suitable colour met with the Queen's approval.  Accompanying the King, Queen Elizabeth departed from Buckingham Palace in black and stepped from the Royal Train in Paris dressed in white. ''

Other royal women that I know of were Queen Olga of Greece and Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands together with her daughter Juliana. But I think Wilhelmina's ''white mourning wardrobe'' can not be traced back to the medieval queens. At least I never read such a thing. Aldo Wilhelmina and Henry did not have a good marriage. She and her husband had promised each other that they both would chose to have a white funeral and wear white mourning, because the both did not see death as an the ultimate ending of their life. But as some sort of new beginning or death as the way to a new life. So it had to do with faith. Henry's funeral was complete in white and Queen Wilhelmina and her daughter wear white mourning outfits during the mourning period. Just three months and a few days earlier Queen Wilhelmina's mother Queen Mother Emma had died and the mourning custom had been black. When Queen Wilhelmina died in 1962 her funeral was just as white as her husband had been. Her daughter and granddaughters followed the coffin in their white outfits. Juliana must have been impressed by this and when her own time came to go (2004) - her funeral was in purple with white accents. And again her four daughters appeared in white mourning.

Queen Sophie of Greece also weares some different mourning outfits during special celebrations and like Eric stated princess Nicholas did the same.

Queen Wilhelmina and her daughter Crown-Princess Juliana of the Netherlands in white mourning when visiting the grave of King Albert of Belgium in the church of Leaken (1935).

Queen Wilhelmina visiting a exhibition in the Vondelparck in Amsterdam (1935).

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