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BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Liliane Princess De Rethy
« on: July 16, 2010, 03:42:58 PM »
Yes it was Queen Astrid's.

This has been posted I think, but...'s a back photo

Hahahaha...Just priceless! But I don't understand why the did it? Posing for an official portrait took ages and I why bother to take one of the back too? You see it more with some royal and imperial portraits. I remember seeing a group-portrait of Christian IX's and Louise's family sitting on a bench - first the front and then the back. Probably just for fun, but still remarkable. At least you don't have to smile!

The Windsors / Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« on: July 13, 2010, 07:54:41 PM »
Yes ''accept'' is indeed a better choice! But historical importance or not it was atleast something for the Duchess of Windsor. Good night! ;)

The Windsors / Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« on: July 13, 2010, 07:40:55 PM »
Yes offcourse! Thank you very much Robert for clearing that out. I wasn't sure anymore which funeral it was. I got the one of Queen Mary looking at her sons funeral from a balcony mixed up with the one of Wallis looking at her husbands funeral in the same sort of way. Offcourse Wallis was allready quit old in this photograph so I could have known.

I suppose the Duchess of Windsor got Queen Mary's pearls after she died in 1953? If so, it could have been Queen Mary's ultimate way of showing she approved of the Duchess of Windsor her status as wife of her son; the former crownprince? We all know how much Queen Mary adored her jewelry - so it must have been a huge gesture leaving some of her precious pearls to a woman that played with her believes. If she really had been so cold, she easly could have left nothing for the Duchess of Windsor.

The Windsors / Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« on: July 13, 2010, 06:12:04 PM »
I think Robert has hit the nail on the head. And Eddie has done a similar thing.

Because telling history without referring to the right sources or to any source at all is like re writting history for those who have are unknown to the facts. Not everyone or every member of this forum digs into the books and researches every 'fact' or story that is presented to them. So they assume it is the truth. I'm not an expert on every royal or imperial family or person either. So I hope I'm reading the facts at the threads that are not so familiar to me. Offcourse we can suggest the 'what if' question sometimes - but only between the lines - for the simple reason it just never happened. Presenting so many errors and false stories without referring to the rights sources can indeed be ''dangerous'' for the historical sense of people and the image of the person referred to.

Thank you gdella. I remember seeing that photograph too containing Queen Mary's portrait, and I truly believe it wasn't there only for the photoshoot - but more for sentimental reasons. One can think what he likes offcourse.

And thank you too CountessKate for giving the right quote from the Pope-Hennessy biography and your sharp views. I agree. Most of the time I get my books from the library so I don't have them standing in a bookcase to grape. It is almost the academy awards thanking speech I know, but I just like discussing thinks and I don't want to forget anyone. So I must thank Keith too for the anecdote.

I was wondering the following. Was Wallis in England for the funeral of her brother-inlaw George VI in 1952? Wasn't the famous photograph taken of her peeking out of the window in black wearing Queen Mary's pearls? Could it be she met Queen Mary somewhere during these days? If not, I'm also not aware of a other occasion the two could have met. At least after the abdication crisis in 1937 until the War in 1939 there could have been no occasion - not to mention the wounds were to fresh. During the War the Windsor stayed at the Bahamas and the Royal Family had other things on their mind - so if their ever was a meeting it must have been between 1946 and 1953 I think?

CountessKate is definitely right that Queen Mary was in shock after the abdication. I've read in Queen Wilhelmina's official biography that Queen Mary could not understand why Wilhelmina abdicated in 1948, just because she was only 68 (!). Aldo Queen Mary and Queen Wilhelmina were fond of each other - and even banned during the War - the abdication of Wilhelmina in 1948 reminded her again of the forced abdication of her son eleven years earlier - aside was offcourse also the British tradition of staying on the throne until death. But it proved it still was a weak point in Queen Mary's system.

The Windsors / Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part IV
« on: July 13, 2010, 02:02:47 PM »
Well...QA was more sensative and would not have forbid Georgie Kent to go to his brother's wedding or not sending a gift. She was forever giving things away and could not have been so unthoughtful on her favourite grandson's wedding day. Another clue is that Alix's sister Dagmar later in life did warm to her son Misha's commoner (also divorced like Wallis) wife. I am not suggesting that they would or should embraced Wallis with open arms, but some symbolic jestures  (perhaps privately) would or could have been made had QA was still alive then.

Well Queen Alexandra's sister Dagmar may have been nice towards her son Misha's second wife in later life, but she was not so nice towards her daughter Olga's second husband a commoner too. I remember reading in Olga's memoirs something like he was not aloud to dine with the Empress Dowager or something. Dagmar only wanted to see her daughter and not her 'common' son in-law. And if I remember correctly she wasn't that nice to her grandchildren (Olga's children) at first either. Xenia seem to have taken a little bit of this behaviour over from her mother after she died. Olga tells in her memoirs that her mother's famous 'jewel-case' and stuff were taken by Xenia and Olga was left out of this because she did not have the 'eye' for it, in other words she had married a commoner and was one step down the letter by that! I will try to look it up in Olga's memoirs.

And wasn't their also Thyra causing a small scandal by becoming pregnant from a commoner? I thought the Danish Royal Family (including both Alix and Dagmar) weren't too fond of that either?

The Windsors / Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« on: July 13, 2010, 01:34:52 PM »
In my opinion your right about the fact that Queen Mary did not cut off David because of the abdication crisis. Maybe in the spotlight she behaved like the Queen she had always been - regal and dutifully - but behind the scenes her mother instinct got the upper hand I believe. Offcourse she struggled between royal duty and family matters, but that she banned David from her live is one thing I don't believe. She and her son kept writing letters to each other and I believe she also sent a nice letter when the Duchess of Windsor was in the hospital or something. I'm not sure about the last, but I remember reading something like that.

This photograph of the Coborg sisters came from The Illustrated London News from April 28, 1894.

The Windsors / Re: King Edward VII
« on: July 11, 2010, 07:56:58 PM »

Yes it's definitely Coburg at the occasion of the wedding of Victoria Melita and Grand Duke Ernest Ludwig! Bertie and Queen Victoria wear the same clothes as in the famous shots with her other children and family as you can see. I always thought those carpets looked a bit odd do. Like Royalty must not touch the ground or something?


A portrait of Queen Alexandra, I believe her parents are walking behind her in the back.

BeNeLux Royalty / Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« on: July 11, 2010, 06:08:18 PM »

And older but glamorous Princess Stephanie of Belgium in 1927

BeNeLux Royalty / Re: Queen Astrid of Belgium, Princess of Sweden
« on: July 11, 2010, 06:06:56 PM »

The Beautiful young Queen Astrid of Belgium

And with her two eldest children


Two beautiful portraits of Queen Elisabeth of Belgium from 1929. Look at her fashionable way of dressing and using her jewelry.


Three of the Edinburgh girls: Princess Maria of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Princess Victoria Melita of Hessen-Darmstadt and Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

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