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Apart from swiss villa , i believe there was also Belgravia Apartment in London which was retained from Felix's student days. The Paris house became school called College Doupanloup.

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The Imperial Family / Re: Possessions Taken into Exile
« on: February 27, 2006, 05:42:47 PM »
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Keep in mind, too, that many of the Imperial family and nobility thought the Bolsheviks wouldn't last and that their exile would be only temporary.  Given the urgency, they took with them what they could and just assumed the rest would be safe under the care of trusted agents or servants until their return.  Sadly, that return never came.



Yes, maybe this explains why the Yussupovs hid their treasures in secret rooms instead of taking it with them to Crimea. Sadly the fact that they had transferred all their foreign assets during the war back to Russia also played against them.

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The Stroganoffs / Re: The Stroganovs
« on: February 23, 2006, 05:29:59 PM »
I believe the most "under estimated" family in terms of wealth would be the Shuvalovs. Maybe because they were not very glamorous . However this would be the family with most number of wealthy branches. When we speak of "Sheremetevs" or "Orlov-Davydovs", we speak of joint property of two brothers. If taken individually they would not be in the top 10 list. However, in case of Shuvalovs, there are two Count Shuvalovs who would be in top 10 richest list based on their "individual" wealth. Count Michael Andreivich Shuvalov and Count Paul Petrovich Shuvalov, both first cousins were among the richest nobles in Russia. There were also Shuvalovs of Rundale Palace who were not as rich. Funnily, Shuvalovs made their money in the oldest way in the world. By "marrying it". Count Micheal Shuvalov inherited the entire wealth of Princes Vorontzov from his uncle. Similarly Count Paul Shuvalov inherited the entire Narishkin inheritance, including the Shuvalov palace on Fontanka from his mother. His wife Betzy Shuvalov was famous for her parties. Sadly both the branches of the Shuvalov family were extinct before the revolution.
The wealth of Count Micheal passed to Countess Vorontzov-Dashkov. Similarly Princess Olga Dolgoruky, sister of Count Paul Shuvalov brought 39,000 desyatin of land to the Dolgoruky family. She too is mentioned in the Vorontzov-Dashkov thread.

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The Imperial Family / Re: Possessions Taken into Exile
« on: February 23, 2006, 11:58:20 AM »
I would like to know why could ALL the Romanovs not send their jewellery to Finland. Finland is quiet near St Petersburg. It would have been easy to send large posessions including silver, paintings and objects d art to Helsinki or other finnish estates. From there it could have been taken to Stockholm or London. It "looks" very easy to me. Was there a ban imposed by Kerensky government on transfering assets or Romanovs simply did not realise the danger they were in untill it was too late? Finland looked far safer than Crimea.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Counts Sheremetev
« on: February 22, 2006, 05:06:43 PM »
"Prince" Cheremetiev mentioned is a mistake. The Person in the photo is Count AD Sheremetev, Brother of SD Sheremetev. Interestingly their father Count Dimitri was son of Praskovya a serf actress who married Count Nikolai Sheremetev. There was also Nizhi Novgorod Branch of the family who were untitled. If i am not wrong Vladimir Sheremetev belonged to that branch. They had no title or were simple Barons
Here is a link to Count AD Sheremetev's Palace which is now a hotel
http://www.moika59.com/eng/page/sh_frame.html

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The Stroganoffs / The Stroganoffs
« on: February 22, 2006, 03:08:50 PM »
Thanks to my great obsession with the wealth of Russian nobility, i have been researching heavily on this topic. One of the most surprising findings of my research has been that the Stroganoff wealth on eve of the revolution is greatly exagerated. I dont even think that Stroganovs were among the top five richest families on eve of the revolution.

In the beginning of my argument, i would like to clearly state that i am not talking about the 16th and 17th century when Stroganovs were indeed among the richest in the world. This is specifically on eve of the revolution. My assumptions of wealth are based on four criteria as defined by Dominic Lieven in his book -
Agricultural land, Forestry, Urban property and Industry.

1) Agricultural land- It is true that Stroganoffs were largest landowners in Russia on eve of the revolution. They owned 14,00,000 desyatin of land. However, as Dominic Lieven states most of this land was arid Ural land. The land in Ukraine was valued almost 10 times as Ural lands. DL states that the most valuable lands as per their valuation belonged to Yussupovs followed by Orlov-Davydovs and then Sheremetevs. Thus, Stroganoffs did not have any agricultural land to derive income from.

2) Forestry -  This was the only source of income for Stroganoffs. They owned large Perm forests which brought good income.

3) Urban Property - Surprisingly, Stroganoffs did not own any large real estate investments. They owned just the Stroganoff Palace on Nevsky and the Pavel Stroganoff palace. This brought no income. The biggest landowners in StPetersburg were Princes Beloselsky-Belozersky who owned the entire Krestovsky Island which brought in fantastic income. Biggest Landowners in Moscow were Sheremetevs. Another family with very valuable real estate were Counts Stenbock-Fermor who owned hotels and shopping arcades. Shuvalovs owned six apartment buildings.

4) Industry - This brought in large income for nobles. While it is true that Stroganoffs owned large iron plants and mines, they were all bankrupt. In 1908, Count Stroganoff closed down all his mines and factories and decided to concentrate on forestry (Aristocracy in Europe , Page no: 48 ) . Even Demidoffs were facing heavy losses. The Nobles with highest income from industry were Princes Abamelek-Lazarev. Also Yussupovs, Shuvalovs, Sheremetevs and Orlov-Davydov had large industrial investments.

                Thus what we see from above is that Stroganoffs did not have large investments nor land. Their "Wealth" was only their art collection and palaces. They paled in comparison with the other nobles.

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The Imperial Family / Re: Possessions Taken into Exile
« on: February 22, 2006, 02:29:06 PM »
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I will. Thanks for the tip.

AkshayChavan, do you recommend "Lost Fortunes of the Tsars"? I was thinking of buing a copy. How much does it discuss about the Marlborough?

Thanks!



Yes , I do recommend the book if you are obsessed with tsarist wealth and treasure like me. It answers a lot of questions as to what happened with tsar's wealth. and that "actually" romanovs were not as wealthy as we think.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Counts Sheremetev
« on: February 21, 2006, 04:58:45 PM »
Owner of Sheremetev palace was Count SD Sheremetev, father of Count Dimiti Sheremetev which you mentioned above. He had a brother Count AD Sheremetev.

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The Imperial Family / Re: Possessions Taken into Exile
« on: February 21, 2006, 04:24:09 PM »
From "lost fortune of the tsars" i know that the romanov who escaped with most posessions was nikolsha. Due to his fine organising capabilities, he was able to take all his gold, silver and jewels with him including the diamond studded sword of Field Marshal. I read that he had more than 200 boxes on board the ship.

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Are there any photos of him? He is one of the few Leuchtenburgs whose photos i have not seen.

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I am looking for photos of Prince Alexander of Leuchtenburg who was the lover of Muriel Buchanan. Was he engaged to her? Why did their marriage not go through?

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Vorontsov-Dashkov
« on: February 16, 2006, 02:09:27 PM »
Sorry, i just checked my info. I got a little confused. Irina Lazarev married Count Illarion Ivanovitch Vorontzov-Dashkov (1893-1920). It is he who died of typhus during the civil war. He must be the first cousin of the person you mentioned.

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Counts Orlov-Davydov
« on: February 15, 2006, 04:45:59 PM »
If any of the forum members have a lot of cash to spend, then they can buy a luxury apartment in this palace. The palace has been divided into apartments which are for sale. I won't be surpised looking at taste of Russian businessmen, that disco lights and jacuzzis will soon be installed in this historic palace. How sad!!

Here is the link for the photos -
http://vipflat.com/141.html

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Russian Noble Families / Re: Counts Orlov-Davydov
« on: February 15, 2006, 02:19:10 PM »
The family of Counts Orlov-Davydov were considered to be the second richest family in Russia after the Yussupovs. While searching on the internet I found some photos of the Orlov-Davydov Palace. It looks absolutely magnificent!!! Unfortuately it has been divided into apartment houses. The family coat of arms on main entrance looks splendid. The palace is located on some place called Kutuzova street or Kutuzov embankment in St Petersburg. Does anyone have more info on this palace?

The photo of the palace



The Orlov-Davydov Coat of Arms



The Main entrance



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Russian Noble Families / Re: Nogai  Russian Princes
« on: February 14, 2006, 04:33:31 PM »
It is really sad that of all Nogai Princes only the junior line of Urusov family is left. I heard that the senior line of Urusovs is extinct. Similarly Yusupov, Kutumov and Chediakov princes are all extinct.

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