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Russian Noble Families / Re: Vorontsov-Dashkov
« on: February 14, 2006, 03:37:14 PM »
Prince Michael Vorontzov - Count Shuvalov owned 4,21,461 desyatins of land. He was the seventh largest landowner in russia. His brother in law Count II Vorontzov-Dashkov owned 2,98,000 desyatins of land and was the 14th largest landowner in Russia. The second brother in law NP Balashov (husband of Catherine Balashov) was on the fifth position with 5,21,838 desyatins. Prince Micheal's cousin Count Paul Shuvalov (Betzy Shuvalov's husband) owned 5,37,030 desyatins and was on fourth position after Stroganovs, Abamelek-Lazarevs and Demidovs. ( From Dominic Lieven's Aristocracy in Europe)

Russian Noble Families / Re: Vorontsov-Dashkov
« on: February 14, 2006, 12:10:47 PM »
R u sure it was Irina Narshkina? In Mathilda K autobiography "Dancing in St Petersburg", she writes about stunningly beautiful Irina Lazarev, sister of Vladimir Lazarev and first cousin of Felix yussupov who married Count II Vorontsov-Dashkov. I believe he died in 1919 of typhus during the civil war.

Countess Elizabeth was a great heiress to vorontzov wealth. After her brother Prince Micheal Vorontzov -Count Shuvalov died in 1903, all the vast estates of Serene Princes Vorontzov were divided between her and her sister Catherine Balashov. Catherine Balashov inherited 1,70,000 desyatins of land (dominic lieven). Elizabeth inherited the famous Alupka palace in Crimea and other palaces. She is also great grandmother of Sir Dimitry Obolensky.

Russian Noble Families / Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« on: February 13, 2006, 06:56:48 AM »

Sickening! how dare they. I wish they had all been butchered, would have served them right! :)

Whenever i read of these murders, however agitated i am, i end up with smug satisfaction. These murderers were brought to justice. Most of them died in Stalin's Gulags. Similarly Peasant murderers were starved to death by Stalin. It is as if, Stalin was sent by ghosts of dead people to take revenge. No one escaped, Kronsdaat sailors, Trotsky , Party officials and even Lenin.

Personally, being in that situation i would have prefered to die at hands of bolshevik bullets. Being shot to death by bolsheviks was the most dignified way out. Alternatively, death at hands of peasants was so babaric and horrific - beaten with iron rods till your skull is smashed or being skinned alive or buried alive (I cannot go on any further) . I read that many people commited suicide than die at the hands of peasants.

Also the "Bread of Exile" was also not easy. Imagine princes and investment bankers working as taxi drivers and cleaners. And these were creme de la creme of refugees. The terrible fate of Natalie Brassova haunts me. I think fate would have been kinder to her had she died with Micheal in Perm.

Russian Noble Families / Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« on: February 12, 2006, 10:19:48 AM »
The story of Murder of Prince SS Abamelek-Lazarev and its aftermath is a strange and sad story. Prince Semen Semenovitch Abamelek-Lazarev was that second biggest landowner in Russia after the Stroganovs. He was also a renowned archealogist and a great patron of arts. A man of exceptional intellect, he served on the various government committies on Russia's development. During the revolution , he was shot and killed in the Causasus. Fortunately, his wife Princess Maria Demidoff was at her ancestral estate of Prontolino in Florence. Before dying, Prince had managed to transfer large sums of money to his wife in Italy.
     Now comes the strange part of the affair. Prince Abamelek-Lazarev was a great patron of Russian arts and had supported many russian artists in Italy. In his will , he bequeathed his palace in Rome "Villa Abamelek" situated in 40 acres in heart of Rome and estimated to be worth millions, to "Tsar and the Russian people". He gave the Villa to Imperial Academy of Arts in St Petersburg to be converted into a Russian Cultural Center. However, after the Revolution, The Academy of Arts was taken over by the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks had the audacity to claim the "Villa Abamelek" as legal heirs (Such shameless people!!!). After a long legal battle, Bolsheviks finally won and Villa Abamelek became that home of the Soviet ambassador.
Thus, by supreme irony of history, criminal murderers of Prince Abamelek-Lazarev became his "legal heirs" and inherited his property worth millions. Can fate be more strange?

Russian Noble Families / Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« on: February 10, 2006, 08:11:48 PM »
The reason why so many Golitsyns died was because the family was simply too large. In the year 1900, there were 150 Princes Golitsyn in Russia!!! (From Dominic Lieven's Russia's Rulers Under Old Regime).  I dont know why so many Caucasian princes died. I suspect they must have stayed behind because Georgia was an independent country. But about Princes killed in 1930s, why did they simply not leave the country like others?

Russian Noble Families / Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« on: February 10, 2006, 09:15:43 AM »
I dont think you are thick. Here is the following quotation -

" There were many Balls and I soon got aquainted with all St.Petersburg society. I had a private income of 5.000 roubles a year, and out of this I had to buy all my uniforms, keep two horses, so that was cutting it very fine, but I had no debts so I could just manage. In the autumn I went on leave to Yakshino and hunted with my borzois with the Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich next door. Life was very free and I lived very well. Soon I was to meet my second cousin Princess Alexandra Alexeevna Shcherbatoff. She was the most beautiful creation and quite outstanding in every way. Many in St.Petersburg sought her hand but she was quite unattainable, or rather her mother, Aunt Mary Shcherbatoff, nee Stroganov. She had so much influence on her daughter that the latter could decide nothing without her mother's approval. When I saw her for the first time, I saw a being not of this world, before she became charming and attractive. I fell madly in love with her as I had never been in love before. At last I proposed to her and she having consulted ?her mother, told me we would have to wait and that she would let me know later. Soon after she had to go to Nemirovka, their country estate. I was prepared to wait and wait for her answer patiently, and so for a whole year, until her brother, Dima, at last came to me and told me she still couldn't decide and he gave me to understand that I was free to do as I pleased. My circle of friends all told me that nothing would come of it and that they couldn't bear to look at me and how patiently I waited and advised me to forget this crazy scheme, as they called my romance. I was not permitted to write to her, but for me this was a great blow and I suffered terribly ! Sandra was two years older than me and obeyed her mother unquestionably, so it was quite clear that if her mother had found me suitable, so would Sandra have done the same. Apart from myself there were others, for instance Count Olsoufieff, a member of the Government Council and some neighbour landowner of whom Aunt Mary approved, but since Sandra was not in love with them nothing came of those either. During the Revolution, the mother, Sandra and Dima were brutally murdered at Nemirovki. They say that when Princess Maria Gregorievna Shcherbatoff came out of the house to speak to the mutineers together with Sandra, they were murdered on the spot. Dima was hidden by one of the forresters in the woods, but when he was found he suffered the same fate. Sandra was a very special person with very high ideals, but completely under her mother's influence. In addition she was a great beauty and resembled her Great Grandmother Pototzki who was famous for her beauty and her portrait was often painted by all the great masters of her time. After that failure I was very downhearted, but went without stopping to the little house of Peter the Great to pray to God and ask for his guidance. The words of the New Testament especially impressed me "ask and it shall be given unto you, knock and it will open unto you". Then when I decided to ask for Katia Carlow's hand, I used to listen to the priest at mass and I decided that if he mentioned the names Vladimir and Catherine (the founders of the Russian Orthodox Faith) it meant HE had approved my choice ! I seem to remember that the names Vladimir and Alexandra were never mentioned together ! Whereas the names of Vladimir and Catherine I often heard and which gave me a good lead for my new choice and strengthened my purpose. "

Russian Noble Families / Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« on: February 09, 2006, 05:21:31 PM »
Maria Scherbatova was an immense heiress (to approximately 8/15 of the immense fortune of her grandfather Count Stroganov.Her maternal grandfather was Nicholas I.One of her daughters in law was the daughter of Count Peter Stoyplin ( she escaped).Another nee Princess  Sophia  Wassiltchikova was widowed in 1915 but managed to escape with her 4 small daughters.

This is not quiet right. Princess Maria Scherbatoff was the daughter of Count Gregory Stroganoff. She was the heiress to the Palazzo Stroganoff in Rome and Priceless art collection. She had one son Vladimir and one daughter Alexandra. Her daughter in law was Stoypin's daughter. She escaped with her two daughters, Olga and Maria to Rome.

The second Princess was Princess Olga Scherbatoff, daughter of Count Alexander Stroganoff who was elder brother of Gregory Stroganoff mentioned above. She inherited the vast perm lands as well as Stroganoff palace on Nevsky. Her son was Alexander Stroganoff-Scherbatoff (i am not sure if he was killed in revolution as he died in 1915). Her daughter in law was Princess Wassiltchikoff.  Her daughters were Marie, Olga, Sophie and the only one living - Baroness Xenia de Ludinghausen.

Nicholas I was grandfather of different Maria Stroganoff , she married Count Sheremetev. She was second cousin to both Scherbatoff Princesses.

About Maria Scherbartoff, i was looking for info on her death for a long time. I finally found it on this site. Princess Alexandra was a great beauty and Prince Galitzine wanted to marry her. He describes their murder on this page -

More info on Gregory Stroganoff and Scherbatoff is in this article -

Russian Noble Families / Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« on: February 09, 2006, 04:37:35 PM »
Another tragic Bolshevik Victim, 19 year old Prince Constantin Belosselsky-Belozersky, murdered by the Bolsheviks in Kiev in 1918.

The Yussupovs / Re: The Youssupov jewelry
« on: February 09, 2006, 10:52:53 AM »
             I strongly suggest you write a book on Yussupovs. I shall buy the first copy. Your knowledge of the Yussupov family history never fails to amaze me!!

Russian Noble Families / Nobility murdered during the Revolution
« on: February 08, 2006, 05:42:18 PM »
I wanted to know which high ranking nobles were killed during the revolution. From what i see, most of high ranking nobles like Yussupovs, orlov-davydovs, vorontsovs and stroganovs escaped safetly during the revolutions. I know a few who were killed

1) Two sons of Count SD Sheremetev, Boris and Dimitri were murdered at ostafievo.
2) Princess Maria Scherbatoff nee Stroganoff along with her children Alexandra and Vladimir were killed at their estate in ukraine.
3) Prince SS Abamelek-Lazarev was murdered by bolsheviks in caucasus.
4) One of Princes Ourousoff was also killed.

I would like others to add to this list. Did all others manage to escape?

The Yussupovs / Re: Photos of Felix Yusupov
« on: February 08, 2006, 04:54:39 PM »
This is one of the photos i found on a russian website. In this photo he looks very feminine. I believe he must have had lot of makeup on.

Their World and Culture / Re: Romanov Fortunes and Annuities
« on: February 06, 2006, 07:26:50 AM »
From the amounts shown above, Grand dukes look poorer in comparison to Russia's other grandees. For example annual income of Count Sheremetev was 1.5 million roubles almost 10 times as that of grand dukes while that of Baron Alexander Steiglitz was 3 million roubles per annum which is 20 times!!! From "White Crow" i infer that Uncle Bimbo inherited the bulk of Mikhailovichi fortune. Why was the property not equally divided?

Second point, In "Micheal and Natasha" i read that GD Alexis left all his property to his nephew, Michael. Why did he do that when he had morganic children of his own?

Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Vorontzov Palace - Odessa
« on: February 04, 2006, 06:31:17 AM »
Wasn't she a Countess?

Count Micheal Vorontzov was raised to the title of Serene Prince Vorontzov for his part in wars against Napoleon. So Counts Vorontzov became Serene Princes Vorontzov.

Thank you all for the wonderfull photos. I read somewhere that large parts of the palace were demolished during soviet era.

Palaces in the Crimea / Re: Vorontzov Palace - Odessa
« on: February 03, 2006, 12:52:49 PM »
I was reading the biography of Prince Micheal Vorontzov. In this biography it was written that Pushkin was the lover to Princess Vorontzov. Prince Micheal himself suspected that Pushkin was the father of his youngest daughter. Pushkin would openly boast of his exploits with Princess Vorontzov.

Palaces in the Crimea / Vorontzov Palace - Odessa
« on: February 01, 2006, 04:22:33 PM »
I am looking for photos of Vorontzov Palace at Odessa. I have searched the net but not found any photos. Does the palace still exist?

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